
Yesterday, big Salon published a piece by Tracy Clark-Flory concerning the genre of contemporary pornography called, alternately, upskirt or downblouse photography. Her write-up demonstrated remarkable detachment and restraint, I thought. It was well-researched and thorough, yet it's point of view was indicative of a writer willing to let the facts speak for themselves and let readers draw their own conclusions. Based on the number of letters (476), it was one of the more popular reads on Salon this week. As in most matters, the letters ran the gamut, everything from "kick the bastard in the crotch" to "well, if she's going to wear those schoolgirl outfits, she deserves what she gets." Some thought that a distinction should be drawn between upskirt and downblouse. Others, indicated a bemused detachment, the attitude I imagine is assumed by art class models. As Dalton so succinctly noted in Roadhouse, "Opinions vary."

I happen to have seen some of these upskirt shots from time to time. To me, upskirt photographs are uniformly uninteresting, because their specificity makes them all look alike, because they are almost always low-quality images, because they so often miss the target, any number of reasons. Imagine a photographic genre devoted completely to the close-up depiction of the steering wheels of cars, shot as the cars drive by in the opposite direction at 55 miles per hour, and that's pretty much what you get with upskirt photographs. Once you've seen one, you've pretty much seen them all. And what's there to see in the first place. It's like, "That's a woman's crotch? Are you sure?".
Now, I don't do upskirt photography; I'm not that kind of creep. Nevertheless, Ms. Clark-Flory's piece hits pretty close to home, because a lot of my photography is candid portraiture in public spaces. And I do tend to turn my lense in the direction of women. Many of the issues surrounding upskirt photographs can easily be applied to what I do, and I would be pretty oblivious to my own presence if I didn't notice (and if I didn't tell my readers) that I have occasionally been mistaken for one of those guys.
Central to the debate over candid photography is this question: what is a reasonable expectation of privacy when one is in a public space? We already know that Big Brother is watching us, at the convenience store, the mall, the highway toll plaza, and elsewhere. And if you go out in public at all, it is hard to miss all of the folks snapping pictures with their cell phones and their digital point and shoot cameras.


I have struggled with this question a lot. My first foray into random street shots was on the crowded streets of London a few years back. As we took in the sights, I held my camera in front of me and when interesting people would appear, I would snap a shot. I had a lot of fun with this; the composition would be entirely random; the result is almost entirely dependent on the ability of the technology to focus correctly, and on my ability to hold the camera at the proper angle without looking through a viewfinder. If you try this, it is remarkable how many good shots you'll get (and how many throwaways you get, too). Even more remarkable, though, is the number of people who notice themselves being photographed. In the same way that we are genetically programmed to notice ourselves being stared at, people are generally quite conscious of a camera pointed in their direction, no matter how inconspicuously one holds it. I have received many stink eye gazes when I take these shots, indicating that I am hewing pretty close to the line, if not completely over it, with these shots.
I don't like unpleasant reactions to my photography, and whenever I get one it tends to make me step back and reflect on whether I should have taken the shot. It turns out that, even during family gatherings on Christmas day, there are a lot of people who will work at not being in the picture. Likewise, even in public spaces, where any number of spy cams have been surreptitiously placed by businesses and government to record, seemingly, our every move, some people still think they shouldn't be subject to someone's candid camera fetish. Although I don't think there is any way to completely reconcile this conflict, I have adopted some policies.

First, I recognize that there are public places and public places. While I will often take shots of people on the street, I don't photograph strangers eating in restaurants or shopping at the mall. A busy street is the most public of spaces, restaurants and shopping destinations less so.
Next, I look for events where participants are actively trying to be part of the scene. The South by Southwest music festival is my favorite place to photograph. Eeyore's Birthday Party, the Renaissance Festival, Halloween Night on Sixth Street. People have dressed to be a part of the scene, and most people welcome being the subject of my camera. I have never gotten a bad reaction from someone I've photographed at SXSW or Eeyore's, and people tend to wear some pretty revealing outfits at Eeyore's.

If I am not in a setting that begs to be photographed, and I see people whose image I just cannot live without, then I tend to ask permission. I don't always do this, and when I do I risk refusal and complete loss, relative to having chosen simply to snap off a quick, sneaky shot. And most people, when you ask them to pose, become goofy and unlifelike. Everyone has their own personal version of the "cheese" pose, and let me tell you something: you're all doing it wrong, people. But on the other hand, it can sometimes be quite rewarding to get permission, because it gives me more time to compose the shot and get people's faces. (People's faces are always the most interesting part of any portrait, in my view.) When I photograph with permission, I will pay for the shot. Up to two dollars. Some people want five. Two is my limit.

Anyway, I don't think I am a creep. But increasingly, the government sees things differently. As pointed out in Clark-Flory's piece, the federal Video Voyeurism Prevention Act of 2004 prohibits photography and videography "under circumstances in which the individual has a reasonable expectation of privacy." But what does this mean? I heard on the news the other day that a fellow was arrested by sheriff's deputies for photographing nude sunbathers at Hippie Hollow on Lake Travis. Now, do the people sunbathing at Hippie Hollow have a "reasonable expectation of privacy"? I am not so sure they do. I fear a backlash that would spill over into the sort of street shots I enjoy. But it's like they always told us in school: leave it to a few bad apples to abuse a privilege and spoil things for everyone.

I appreciated Tracy Clark-Flory's Salon feature. It was thought-provoking without being provocatively or snidely written. This kind of article is what keeps me reading Salon. I don't know what Ms. Clark-Flory would think of about what I do. As someone who seeks approval, but who is not always willing to do what it takes to get it, I live in my own sort of self-imposed hell most of the time. I hope my OS readers don't think I'm a creep. But I want you to know that although I have no plans to discontinue my pursuit of candid shots, I continue to refine my own ethical stance toward an activity that clearly, um, skirts the boundary of societal mores.
(Note: all of these photographs are © Richard Banks 2008)


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I will comment on the Hippie Hollow nude sunbathers. Nude beaches have no universally accepted rules which is why I prefer gated resorts where no picture can be taken of you without your express permission. Just because I enjoy nude recreation with like-minded individuals does not mean I want to be anyone else's purient nude recreation.
Not to say you should not take pictures in public spaces, however. Many persons like being noticed and I certainly enjoyed the slice of life photos which you offer us.
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Excellent post!
Keeping aside some emotional aspects of "reasonable expectation" issues, it is generally regarded as true and legal that if you are on public property you can pretty much take photos of anything and anyone. It is not cut and dried however, as the reasonable expectation would say you could not photograph someone at an ATM machine. But it does allow you to photograph someone in their home as long as that subjective prohibition of privacy is not violated and you're on public property. It is vague for a reason. Someone could bring you to court if they think their privacy rights have been violated, but as far as I can determine, the onus is on them to prove the issue, not you as the photographer to prove yours.
Bert Krages is a lawyer who has long dealt with these issues. On his website, he has made a downloadable PDF, that can be folded into a small booklet, that encapsulates the rights of photographers, and what to do when someone confronts you in their mistaken beliefs that you are violating the rights of people or their property.
It is found here.
A more extensive treatment can be found in his book Legal Handbook for Photographers: The Rights and Liabilities of Making Images found here.
It is interesting that his approach is not absolute, that there is often viable differing opinions, and litigation to date has mixed results. It is often a topic of heated discussion on various Flickr fora.
Anyway, great shots Rich...and I actually am not militant in my rights and do some self censoring, but it's to suit myself and not in deference to what others' opinions might be.
I think the devil girl deserved five.
Great post, Rich. I read Tracy's article and thought it was a fine piece of journalism, even if it did beat the horse to death a little bit. I had the opportunity to make comment #54 but thought, "for what?"
I think my biggest complaint or criticism or whatever you want to call it w/ respect to upskirts and downblouses and the photography of people in public spaces, is that using the word "pornography" to talk about it does a disservice to both whatever it is we might call real pornography and the subject of people's expectations of privacy once they walk out the front door (or back door) of their home.
And in the colorful San Blas islands of Panama be aware that you will be followed around and charged for the photos you take by the women in their colorful garb. Pay up if you want to get off the island. Very entrepreneurial.
So your consciousness and ethics and wallet are majorly important.
Lonnie, I have always wanted to print the picture of the Lady in Red. She did permit me to photograph her; no money changed hands. The occasion was Eeyore's Birthday party (an annual Austin bacchanale), in 2003.
Although interesting, Clark-Flory's article read like a Wikipedia entry. That's not bad in itself, but I feel the unwanted upskirt phenomenon is a symptom, not the disease. Continuing to view the issue outside the larger context of a societal ill may only exacerbate the problem. Stating that we're witnessing the results of years of the most extreme and least publicly beneficial liberal ideologies might be tapping on the cage in a zoo, but everyone here knows that I own all my opinions.
A quick Youtube search will return scores of underage bikini and panty-clad girls shaking their groove thing. The Girls Gone Wild franchise is a multimillion dollar earner for Joseph Francis. Voyeurism is not new. Upskirting didn't develop in a vacuum. As with many problems today, "they're oughta be a law" passed that controls it. But recent legislation from both sides of the political isle don't assure me that Congress can craft legislation that protects individual rights while not trampling on our public freedoms.
Don't confuse my response for a blame the victim rant. The real estate beneath a woman's skirt, even a short skirt, should in no way be considered "public", regardless of where it's located.
1) Say a woman is sitting on the steps of a large building, eating her lunch, wearing a skirt, and her legs are slightly open to make a lap to hold her food as she eats, but she is, unawares, showing far to much of what is under her skirt. If she knew that she would be mortified. Is she fair game to a photographer, even one with a telephoto lens so that she is unaware of being photographed? I think not. What other reason than purulent interest could the photographer have? Some won't agree, of course. The internet is loaded with thousands of sites selling pornography and calling it "art."
2) I live in an area of Ohio that has the highest population of Amish in the world. Many of them work in the tourist trade businesses and all wear Amish clothing. Some Old Order Amish, and you can't tell which is which just be looking, forbid the taking of photos or being photographed. So, what to do if you intend to honor their religious lifestyle? This is a more gray area, but I know that many Amish get upset if they are photographed even in public places. But I also know that, if they are asked, they will often say it is OK to photograph them. And, none seem to have any objection to being photographed at a distance as they farm, hang out clothes, play in school yards, etc. You see the issue with the Old Order Amish is the capture on film of the face, the stealing of identity, as it were. So I say ask.
You are a thoughtful and considerate man. I think were I you I would apply the Golden Rule: do unto others as you would have them do unto you. If you would be uncomfortable, or you think your wife would be uncomfortable, in a scene where everything is reversed, then you have to assume that the people being photographed would be uncomfortable also. If there is doubt, ask. t
And I certainly would try to discipline those situational ethical situations you say you run into where you say, "If I am not in a setting that begs to be photographed, and I see people whose image I just cannot live without, then I tend to ask permission. I don't always do this, and when I do I risk refusal and complete loss, relative to having chosen simply to snap off a quick, sneaky shot."
I may be wrong and may be reading in between the lines here, but it sounds like you are saying "I will ask permission, but if I risk getting turned down and I really want the shot I will take it anyway."
Even if you would feel your privacy violated if the rolls are reversed? That doesn't sound like you. Erring on the side of a good conscience would seem more your style. It isn't like you will never find another good shot out there. If you think that you can violate your ethics occasionally in order to get a good shot, then your ethics are pretty wobbly.
There are no easy answers to this, and if there were you would not have posted on it. But until something more subtle comes along I think that just asking whether or not you or wife would like being put in the position of being photographed in a particular setting should be reasonable guide. I do think you might want to think about tightening up your guidelines, not for anyone else, but for you. I think the simple act of writing this post indicates that you are having some trouble with the way you have been doing it. Not much, but enough for you to take the time to flesh out the issue and your personal standards for us to read and comment on.
I may, of course, be totally wrong on this. But if I am I will pay you $2. $2 is my limit so don't ask for $5.
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Barry thanks for the insight and information. I will follow up. I certainly am not trying to invade anyone's privacy, and am working harder than ever to ensure that I am shooting from a space where it is assumed there may be photos taken.
You are quite right, of course. Just to be clear, when I ask and am not granted the photo, I never take the photo.
I see thousands of potential portraits, almost everywhere I go, but especially during public spectacles where there are characters of every sort milling about. You're right that if I don't get the shot I want, another better one always comes along in a few minutes.
As I mentioned, anyone can take a photo of anyone or anything in a public place legally and, as long as it is not used to make false statements about the person or object, it is also legal to post it anywhere they wish. That photo can also be published, with the exception of using that person's image to sell a product.
In Monte's example of the girl, it's my non legal opinion that it is legal to take that picture. However, I would not.
Thanks for the supportive comments. I am most concerned, in this post, about my Lady in Red. That shot, taken on a 1 megapixel Olympus, is among my favorite shots ever. I was new to digital photography when she allowed me that photo, and I even considered placing a personal ad to find her again, so that she could see it. That seems laughably naive to me now. I have always wanted that photo to be seen, but at the same time it's the one I am still considering taking down. I covered some of the nudity, but it is still pretty graphic.
I loved the two men--peers in age but seemingly--little else.
The women you photographed were so diverse! I liked especially the older cool-looking woman and the woman in paint (see appreciated men just behind her!)
thanks again!
Given our growing exhibitionistic bent, upshots and downshots would seem a quaint and even boring exercise give the apparent willingness of so many to let it all hang out for free.
On the opposite end, are the people who want $100,000 grand for their "story" no matter how incidental to a pieces. I got my trip to England and France as a replacement for someone who was that foolishly greedy.
Those of us with NA ancestry share with the Old Amish the inhibition about being photographed -- they because of the prohibition against graven images, and we because of an ancient fear that our spirits will be captured by the camera. I admit the camera makes me very uncomfortable for some inexplicable reason. Who knows maybe the Grandfathers were right?
Tom, when I am on the street photographing in their direction, and people ask me what I'm doing, from here on out I will answer "Stealing your soul."
Screamin Darlene (way up top): I haven't forgotten about you up there. Get a gig in Austin, and I'll come take your picture.
getting upset about upskirt is silly, get upset about face shots!
Al, sometimes the perps in these cases will publish both, a head shot and a panty shot. It is a predatory form of candid photography that brings disrepute on all instances of candid photography. And while I think the writer and Salon.com perform a public service by shining light on the practice, I worry about overkill in laws designed to combat it and ostracism for people like me.
I think the red girl is great.
Be care out there taking your tame not so nude public shots or it could be you by mistake.
When we are in public the right to privacy is sort of void. I think in our society up skirt and down blouse constitute invasion of personal space. The old adage "look but don't stare" seems to apply as a general rule here. Granted some dress to be noticed or even provocative and it is OK to look, but even they would consider photographing there underwear or lack of it as an invasion of privacy and staring.
As for photographing life and the people around us comes under sharing the human experience this is especially true if you are doing something that would cause others to watch you. When I worked as a photo journalist there was always the moral tension between news worthy and respecting the privacy of others. With the Internet the same rules apply even though the filters are gone.
Personally, I dislike having my picture taken and work pretty hard to get out of any shot I am aware of. I would not like it if I saw someone pointing a camera at me while out and about, though I wouldn't go so far as to necessarily call it a privacy violation. It depends on the appearance of motive. Which is a very weird statement, I'm well aware.....
I really like the photo of the 2 guys and the older woman....
M, it is a very, very thin line. While I certainly am in no position to secretly photograph anyone--a 35mm camera is pretty difficult to hide--I have no desire to do that. I want to make a good decision every time about what to photograph. But it sometimes difficult, in the moment, to make good decisions. I got in trouble with APD one night for getting my camera too close to some kind of street tragedy--I never saw what; I was merely attracted to it, because of the sirens and flashing lights.
Merwoman, Leslie is great. His ubiquitous presence on 6th Street is a big part of what keeps Austin weird. Here's a link to more info:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leslie_Cochran
Hawley, old, fat women are only a few of the women I love. I want peace as much as the next man, but I would have been happy to put peace on hold long enough for those four women to make good on their pledge. In other words, at least one of those girls going wild would have been nice, but that's only one man's opinion.
Sandra, thanks for your frank feedback. I understand, and will reflect on your concerns. To me, circumstances are important. If the young woman with the 35mm were out on a Sunday afternoon taking pictures of the Driskill Hotel, that would be one thing. As it happens, she and I were both standing in the middle of 6th Street (closed for SXSW) photographing the scene, particularly the people. She was doing exactly what I was doing. (In fact, sometimes it feels like SXSW, Eeyore's and Halloween night on 6th Street attract almost as many photographers as participants. )People who shy from my camera will cause me to back off, as will people who display open hostility. Even so, I don't know that I can hew to a line that would satisfy you. I photograph to help me retain images of people I believe to be too important to be forgotten and lost. Usually, the unforgettable shot is lost by posing them. It is by its very nature an invasive activity. I want to minimize the invasion, but I can't eliminate that aspect of it, and so I simply try to reconcile the conflict by developing (and adhering to) an ethical approach.