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MAY 10, 2009 8:18AM

Let's Talk about Blow Jobs

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If anyone wants to trash John Edwards, they can be my guest. I was supporting his candidacy all the way back to 2006. His ideals best reflected my own. I thought he was presidential material. To find out later that he had mined his own harbor was a disappointment. It was extraordinarily selfish for this man to have continued his candidacy knowing how his indiscretion would play out one day in the media. And he must have known that it was always a matter of when and not if.

But none of this was known during the campaign. He quit the campaign long before his affair with Reille Hunter was revealed by Fox News. In fact, by the time the affair had come to light, it was really not news at all. I thought it was nothing more than a vendetta, actually. And just one more sign that Fox News is nothing more than a creepy entertainment source for people too stupid to think for themselves.

But I digress.

 I find John Edwards to be a flawed and hopelessly irredeemable pol.  As matters stand, he could never win my vote. But as a man, I completely understand how he could have fallen into an affair with Reille Hunter. And I choose not to judge this behavior.

 I agree with others who have taken up this topic that we can never see clearly into a marriage. Is John Edwards a good husband? Has he met the needs of his wife? Has he done his part to provide for the welfare of his family?  When his kid hit a home run, was he in the grandstands cheering? I don't know.

Likewise, Elizabeth Edwards: did she attend to her husband's needs? In her condition, could she attend to his sexual needs at all? Again, I don't know. But I know something about men.

Just to think straight, a man needs sex. And as sympathetic as we might be towards someone in the advanced stages of cancer, it occurs to me that maybe Elizabeth Edwards was in no condition to meet her husband's need for sex. If so, then what is he supposed to do? The marriage contract, as I remember, is much clearer than the 2nd amendment; it includes the phrase "forsaking all others".  Forsaking all others can be a tall order for any man, but particularly one whose wife is sick. I, for one, choose forgive a man who strays when chronic illness prevents his wife from fulfilling her part of the marriage contract.

But what if she isn't sick? What if she is  simply unable or unwilling to perform every act her husband might like? Again, the contract is quite clear on this point. Forsaking all others. It means that if a wife doesn't give blow jobs, then the man does not get a blow job. Period. Now, I don't have the facts, but I'll go out on a limb and suggest that Hillary Clinton doesn't give blow jobs. Maybe she thinks giving blow jobs is demeaning to all women, or maybe she feels revulsion at the idea of sucking on a man's penis, or maybe her mouth is just too small and it causes her discomfort. But whatever the reason, there is pretty good circumstantial evidence ole' Bill doesn't get blow jobs at home.

So, hat is Bill supposed to do? A lot of people thought that whatever it was, it shouldn't be done with a BBW intern. Of course, everything we know now indicates he had for many years been getting his blowjob needs met by women with a need to get up close and personal with powerful men. Indeed, we may one day find out that John Edwards was getting his blowjob needs met by other able-bodied women besides Reille Hunter. I wouldn't be surprised.

What is a blow job, anyway? Why is it important? This is a hard question to answer, but I will attempt it. First, when it comes to what constitutes healthy sex, our society takes its cues from videotaped pornography. And blow jobs are a staple of pornography. Now, maybe if we all lived isolated, rural lives and never came into contact with information about sexual practices, then men would be satisfied with missionary sex and never be the wiser. But that isn't the reality we live with. In our society, a man knows that even if he is not getting a blow job, a lot of other men are. He can see all those men getting blow jobs on porn videos, and he hears about blow jobs from his friends. And he knows that in that way, those men are "luckier" (if not more virile and attractive) than he. So much so that a man who does not get serviced by his wife might be hesitant to even admit such a thing to his friends. What a shame, that a man has so little power in his marriage that he cannot even get a blow job from his wife. What kind of man is he? Maybe not much of a man at all. Such a lack could, um, eat at a man. Such a lack, along with a compulsion to remedy it, could even undermine a marriage.

Certainly, regular sex, sunny side up, is what all men hope for. But as Robin Williams has noted with his "same sex marriage" joke: in a marriage, it is always the same sex. Variety is the spice of life. If our marriage vows preclude employing contractors or involving other friendly third parties, then how do we break up the routine? Even if we save it for a rainy day, a blow job is the one thing a wife can do for her husband that he cannot legitimately get any other way. Nothing says I love you like a blow job.

Feel free to pile on to John Edwards if you want. I don't care: John Edwards is dead to me. But I wonder about what would drive his wife to invite Oprah Winfrey into her home to further publicize her husband's infidelity. But I speculate that someone who would subject her husband to additional public scrutiny concerning his failure to live up to his vows might be trying to cover up some lack of her own. Certainly, she deserves to have her say, and she is availing herself of this opportunity while she can. And maybe a man who breaks his vows deserves whatever he gets. But when does he get to have his say? (Answer: never.) I choose not to judge a man for going outside his marriage to get his sexual needs met, even if his wife is the poster child for sick and downtrodden first wives everywhere, if she cannot or will not take care of matters herself. Or if she doesn't do blow jobs.

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To all those still wondering why I am known, in Apache country, as "Who Invited Him".
Haha, at first I thought you were doing the tricky thing, luring us in with your title, and then revealing that you were talking about Edwards' blowing his presidential hopes and reputation.

On the matter of literal blow-jobs - it works both ways. Men gotta give what they want to get.
"And he must have known that it was always a matter of when and not if."

I bet not... every cheater thinks they're the only one who won't get caught(expect the ones who want to get caught)... and the narcissism of politicos must just enhance that feeling of 'rules don't apply to me'
I bet Hillary Clinton can suck paint off the walls. For Bill it is all about the transgression, not the act and I have no problem with that. No problem with Edwards either. Monogamy is overrated. It is the lying that got both in trouble. monkey fingered.
I suppose I'm trying to sift through the attitude of "Men Deserve Blowjobs" and "It Is A Wife's Duty to Service Her Husband".

Really?
Tenacity Smith, I'm re-reading what I wrote.

I wrote that Elizabeth Edwards deserves to have her say. I wrote that men who break their vows deserve what they get. I never said men deserve blow jobs or that it is a wife's duty to provide them. I simply said that I choose not to judge men who go outside their marriage, if need be, to get one.
Rich, didn't he have his say by having the affair? And evidently not using condoms, as I'll bet anything that child is his, while having his say repeatedly for several years with a woman not his wife?

I think Elizabeth Edwards went on Oprah to promote the book. She's promoting the book, I bet, to give her children some clear financial security that comes from her alone. She's also punishing him a wee bit. Which is what happens sometimes. She looks like shit, frankly. She's dying. So, instead of getting about the business of dying, she's having to deal with the nasty possibility that this woman will end up being her children's stepmother.

As a child who saw her father nearly destroy a 25 year marriage to have sex with a groupie, I can speak really clearly to the damage this stuff does to the children. It's bad, Rich. It never really ever goes away, that feeling of abandonment, frustration and pain. It seeps quietly and calmly into every relationship you have after that, especially I think if you're the girl. That guy you thought was totally trustworthy turned out to be something much, much less. Fences get mended; people love each other again. But that feeling of mistrust can take years to wipe away.

So, I think, surely, a few blow jobs can be overlooked in the face of that. If you want an open marriage, you should go into it that way. And when you betray the wife, or the husband, you betray the family, too. All for your dick.
What BBE said. This puritanical idea that pervades America (mostly through religion) and invades politics (through the same conduit) has *nothing* to do with someone's ability to do a good job. A good job and a blow job are two completely different things. How many really great wives that suck dick can't cook or bake? How many wonderful fathers who provide for their families and show up at every baseball game can't throw a baseball themselves? Maybe the problem is that we think a woman will "learn" to like giving blowjobs or that a man will try another position is evidence of our thinking we can "change"people and turn them into broccoli loving nymphomaniacs. We can't. If mariage is the thing you want, you have to figure out what that means for you, accept the limitations, allow a subcontractor to do a job that someone is better equipped to handle and move on. You cannot expect or have it all for eternity. It's just not possible. I can feel the stones on my chest already.
But that's just it....

Now, to make it clear...blow jobs are a Joy, not a Job...for me. I enjoy giving them a lot.

Having said that...There is something faintly ridiculous about this idea all or most men "need" sex or else they shall lose their minds. You need food and water and shelter. I find it tiresome when a strong desire, and/or a lack of impulse control is held up as a need.

I don't deny that they sex drive is an extremely powerful force. One that can make people do stupid and sometimes compulsive shite. But thats not because sex is needed for survival.

I have known a lot of men with lower libidos than what is attributed to women. It's a real mix up, just like the chicks.

...and this is coming from someone who thinks sex is very very important, bonding, connecting, grounding, and fucking great.

Meanwhile...I disagree on the Hillary thing. I think she can probably suck an egg through 20 feet of garden hose and wipes her chin with a smile.
Rich this is a GREAT post that really mirrors my views. I liked John Edwards and most closely associated with his upbringing and ideas too at one time. At some point I started losing faith in him and on the Obama team but I still liked him and even thought he would make a great running mate or cabinet member. I will admit that I wasn't shocked in the least when the affair came out. I am like you on other people's marriage too, I don't judge because I don't know the circumstance. I was sad for Mrs. Edwards who is struggling with terminal cancer but was/is she a good wife? I have no idea. Maybe their lives had become distant and the sexual part was gone. John Edwards is a good looking man who has power and is going to attract advances from other women. He gave in. Why? We don't know.

I totally agree on the Bill and Hillary analogy too. I've always stood by the fact that Bill loves Hillary and vice-versa. They just have a different kind of marriage. I believe she knows about the trists and it's a part of their marriage. She may not openly admit it, but how could she NOT know? What works for one married couple is not for all. My wife or myself would not stand for cheating. And we don't need to. But that's just us. Judge not.
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@Persephone: THAT was a great image of Hillary. I suspect you (and I) can do that too.... ;)
Oh, and I'll add that what pissed me off more was what you said about just a matter of "when", not "if" he got caught. It was delusional and selfish of him to even run. Had he won the nomination and then it came out, the RNC would have had a field day and we would be suffering through President McCain.
I'm pretty much in step with P13 - yup - women want sex just as much as men do...I'm just a lot less inclined to be sexual with men who have archaic notions about the man/woman sex dynamic...

as far as the monogamy thing goes - sorry but the best, happiest and long lasting marriages I have witnessed have been happily, loving monogamous people - I'm not saying that their marriages are perfect but the tragic and deep fracture of betrayal does not seem to even be a consideration for the lucky few who can still be passionately in love after over 20 years of marriage - one of the strongest love bonds I have ever witnessed but never had the experience to have first hand - and why I have never been married...I do believe marriage is a monogamous commitment and if I would make that commitment it would have to be the real deal...so here I am, single and free to choose who I give a BJ to...definitely would NOT be some creepy guy going outside of his marriage - that would disrespect his wife and me.
Hi Rich:
I agree with Persephone on this one. Maybe some men must have sex, but I think it is a physical urge that could be controlled even for a long period of time.

On the other hand, I have defended John Edwards in past comments for running outside the marriage because he was scared and needed comfort. Comfort comes in all forms including sex.

To my mind the issue involves a judgment on my part (and I don't necessarily think it is a great thing to judge him but):

Could he have been a grownup and NOT strayed? I would think more of him today if he had kept the focus on his wife and family rather than on himself during the early months of her illness.

Those of us that have a partner that is unwell, know what it is like to go without sex for long periods of time. It is not the easiest road, believe me, and frustration abounds for both men AND women. Rather than face the guilt and stigma of being a cheater, however, some people find other ways to cope with sexual frustration. John Edwards could easily have done this in the privacy of his 28000 sq ft+ home .

What John Edwards did was break out of the intimacy of his marriage and was foolish enough to father a child in the process. This is no small transgression to a dying woman who is worried about the future of her own children. I cannot imagine being gracious in all that Elizabeth Edwards has had to face.

On the other hand, I don't want to judge because I "get" Elizabeth Edwards, and I understand why John Edwards ran scared to another woman in the face of the death of his wife. I don't believe it is all about sex with him, as just a blow job would not have produced a child out of wedlock. Having an ongoing affair was the betrayal.

There is no doubt that the betrayal is the issue for Elizabeth. So, in spite of a good effort to blame all on the lack of sex, I do not believe his infidelity was as much about the sex but more about seeking comfort in crisis. Who knows, maybe that is being too kind?

On Bill Clinton: He would never have married Hillary if she didn't give a good blow job -- sex addicts aren't wired that way. I love Bill Clinton and prefer not to have to think about him in terms of his genitals, but here I am writing about it yet, again...ugh...

Rich, you make your point well and from a man's perspective on the surface it is plausible. I prefer to look at the whole picture including the emotional aspects of John Edward's behavior. In the end, my take on the subject is from a woman's perspective only.
But let's be fair. How would you feel if you had testicular cancer, and you loved your wife very much, thought she was a real beauty, knew that other men coveted her, but trusted that she was your partner in all things, and had been for 20-some years.

And say you can no longer have intercourse with her, or can't for a while, or don't feel like it as often, so she decides to go out to bars every weekend while you're at home feeling poorly, so that she can find a younger guy who will fuck her in his car, and eat her out with delight. They have great sex, laugh, giggle at their deception, and then do it again. She comes home late, disheveled, every Saturday night, saying she was out drinking with her girlfriends.

I think the revelation of her extra-curricular activities would make a man feel a lot worse than not getting regular blow-jobs.

I can see a one-night stand. It happens. But having an affair with a sleaze bag like this woman (who obviously did not use birth control insuring she would get pregnant with either an utter disregard, or a carefully "conceived" plan about how it might destroy this man and his family), is disgusting.

I do appreciate the discussion though. Always an education over here.
Is the same true for a woman whose spouse is sick? May she get her sexual needs, yes needs, met elsewhere? How does that play into this? Do men have sexual needs that are greater than women's?
I just want to be sure on this...because.... we could talk about a lot more than blow jobs.

I wrote about the Edwards yesterday, too. With another idea...
I could care less about John Edwards and his sex life or lack of it...my distrust of this man came during his campaign, during the infamous $400 haircut incident, and how he threw his (and our) friend Joe Torrenueva under the bus. I broke this story a day before the Washington Post interview of Joe, on July 1, 2007. (In my other blog.) Here it is in part...

"You remember the infamous $400 haircut Senator John Edwards was lambasted for? Of course you do. Thought it was over now? Think again. I believe I mentioned to you, that Senator Edwards had been getting haircuts from Joe Torrenueva, Hubby’s stylist, for years (and paying for them out of his own pocket) when the bill for this one haircut bill was mistakenly sent to his campaign instead of to the Senator himself. Anyway, someone leaked it to the press that he gets $400 haircuts. The stylist, Joe, (Joseph Torrenueva), is like I said then, is a long time family friend, and has been cutting Hubby and his brother’s hair for 40 years. Besides that, we know his wife, children, grandchildren, and on and on. Joe is an actor too, just saw him in a small part in “Bobby”. I explained in my blog (when the initial story broke) the haircut did not cost $400, but was because Joe had to travel to Senator Edward, taking far much more time than an in-house appointment would, and a loss of other revenue while away.

What I didn’t say, is the Senator never did stand up and make what happened clear, instead he let the worldwide media descend on Joe Torrenueva, an honorable, trustworthy man. Joe was hurt, as any of us might be, that his client/friend would just abandon him to the wind, without so much as a private word, or even one public word in his defense!

The really “big names” in Hollywood, now and in times past, get their hair cut by Joe. Just to name a few; Aaron Spelling, who was loathe to leave his sprawling home, had a special room built with shampoo bowl, chair etc. built, Martin Sheen, Charley Sheen, Robert Wagner, Bob Barker, Norman Lear, who did speak out in Joe’s defense a column to the Washington Post earlier, writer Dominick Dunne and writer William Friedkin, among others. I think you get the gist of the clientele, and by no means does that even include the not-so-celebrity rich and powerful who trust him and confide in him.

So, here is the scene: My husband is sitting in Joe’s chair, getting a haircut when the phone rings.

It’s a columnist for The Washington Post, asking if he could do a story, interviewing Joe about this, after all, he’s kept quiet for months about it.

Apparently several other clients of Joe have been “interviewed” for the piece, all extolling Joe, both as a man and stylist.

Cut to....one of Joe’s employees calls from the doorway to Joe, and says Senator Edwards wants to speak to him.

“Tell him I’m busy right now.”

The employee disappears, only to return a moment later, “He wants to speak to you now.”

Joe took the call, and spoke to “John”, hearing him whimper an apology for not doing the right thing. “You know how much Elizabeth and I think of you, and your family.”

It seems word of the upcoming story had gotten back to Senator Edwards, and he is now filled with remorse for not being a stand-up guy. Oh, and no, he hasn’t booked another haircut with his “friend” Joe.

If this is how John Edwards treats his friends/people, what’s he going to do to our country? I think he has answered that question a few month ago, by being silent.

This story is not motivated by anything but how this man treated a friend of ours. I always vote for the person, not by the party. I have not read the story yet, but Joe has, and I suspect more than a few people with “vested” interest."

So I judge Edwards by the way he treats people closest to him, and sadly Elizabeth knew the kind of man he is.

Sorry to be so long, but I felt I needed the example.
This was deceptively brilliant. Lot's of solid wisdom.

"Just to think straight, a man needs sex." says it all.

I LOVED this!
"But let's be fair. How would you feel if you had testicular cancer, and you loved your wife very much, thought she was a real beauty, knew that other men coveted her, but trusted that she was your partner in all things, and had been for 20-some years. "

A very easy question. Can I watch?

If you think you can be all things all the time to your husband or wife you are confused. You may be most for most of the time, but not all. If you can't then you need to step up and find a solution.

I was on the road 317 days last year. Was I home nailing my wife, no but I know who was. Doesn't mean we love each other less. It just means we understand.
This whole post is a huge WTF! I'm going to have to come back later and re-read it to see if it makes any more sense then.
Persephone13 "I think she can probably suck an egg through 20 feet of garden hose and wipes her chin with a smile."
If Hillary could do that she would still be trying to get through the line that formed as soon as the word got out...She wouldn't be Secretary of State now and Bill wouldn't have had the time, interest, or inclination to become president. He would have been satisfied with just bringing home the bacon so he could give her the sausage...
Catnlion, Get some help before somebody gets hurt.
A blow job is delicious, outrageous, intimate, loving, wild, and dirty. A woman who is willing to do that for me, with me, well....

I don't know what's going on with this guy...the whole thing seems sad to me.
When I read that your understanding of “healthy” sex is derived from videotaped pornography, the rest of your “non judgemental” arguements seem specious at best. I thought Edwards was a Ken doll from day one, totally plastic. So, with no disrecpect intended, I think your premise regarding men’s sexual needs is more than i can swallow...
"I will repeat this to my dying day, why, oh why, does it matter what politicians do with the genitals?" - Stellaa

Word.
I appreciate everyone's comments. Tough crowd, though.
RonPo1

"Catnlion, Get some help before somebody gets hurt."

Help for what? There is no problem here.
Rich, posting this on Mother's Day gives it just that extra bit of controversy that I assume you were looking for. :-)

As itis, I was completing a post with some overlap in theme and so I did link to this post from my newest one that I just published a minute ago.

http://open.salon.com/blog/mcgarrett50/2009/05/10/this_weeks_music_women_in_rock
You make some very valid points. I'll go read the comments now.
I don't think I will ever be able to look at a picture of Hillary Clinton or or watch her on television without immediately envisioning the garden hose egg sucking as described by the most brilliant Persephone13. Wow.
Yo, how do you know what Hillary did or didn't do? I don't mean now, but then again, none of us will ever know.. well, maybe Lea got the dish.
Does anyone, except a spouse, care who screws who? Or blows who? Should anyone? Are we still living in Nathanial Hawthorn's time? Frankly, I find moralistic posturing completely without merit. Unless, of course, I am doing it.

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"In our society, a man knows that even if he is not getting a blow job, a lot of other men are. He can see all those men getting blow jobs on porn videos, and he hears about blow jobs from his friends. And he knows that in that way, those men are "luckier" (if not more virile and attractive) than he. So much so that a man who does not get serviced by his wife might be hesitant to even admit such a thing to his friends. What a shame, that a man has so little power in his marriage that he cannot even get a blow job from his wife. What kind of man is he? Maybe not much of a man at all. Such a lack could, um, eat at a man. Such a lack, along with a compulsion to remedy it, could even undermine a marriage."

I'm just wondering. If this is true, and really more or less common wisdom for all men, then how on earth did WOMEN ever get the reputation for being hormonally driven to the point of being too unstable for higher office? Remember all those jokes about how a woman can't be president because, why, her PMS would represent a threat of global proportions for an imminent nuclear holocaust! Seems to me that men's focus is so permanently on the little head, how on earth did the trope ever develop that they had the capacity more so than women to lead businesses, religions and nations? My god, apparently all they are EVER thinking about, even as their wives are dying inch by inch, is where the next blow job is coming from! It's a miracle they get anything done!
Rich, this is one of my favorite posts from you because you speak so much from the heart. I was reading a Newsweek article tonight about men having a need for sex because it is where they feel appreciated and loved. I see couples withhold many things from one another, not just including sex. We who are involved in marriages or long term relationships almost need to do a daily check list to see how we are being honest, communicating, asking for our needs, seeing if the other person is willing to meet them. Marriage is a body of work. I love it when men on OS are so honest as to go to places they normally would haven't been able to. Thanks Rich!
Omigod, you have got to be kidding.
Besides everything else: if a man will lie and cheat on his wife, there is absolutely no reason he won't lie and cheat on me, the taxpayer. Bill Clinton is proof of that. I don't care what you do - just don't run for president, you lying cheater.
Whatever happened to good old-fashioned masturbation?
I can certainly see your point of view....really! But what about a husband who doesn't seem to want BJs? In the past, I've offered, but wasn't taken up on the offer. I also would like to know if your post applies to women? What if a WOMAN isn't getting any sex with her husband? Women may not need sex like a man does, but they do require cuddling, touching, affection and attention. What if those needs aren't meant in a marriage?
An amusing thought: Rich trying to explain this to, say, the Dalai Lama. Yep, gotta have that sex, alright. Can't be a real man without it.

I don't want to be mean here. If you truly are at the point of your journey where you think that sexual desire is more important, or more necessary, or simply stronger than any other behavior based on any other concept, then there's no explaining it to you.
Let's talk about assumptions.

For example, I once assumed that no one would seriously blame Monica Lewinsky on (their assumptions about) Hillary's ability to give blow jobs. I just assumed that nobody in their right mind would make such a HUGE assumption about anybody's ability or inclination to give head.

How naive of me right?

But then one day I learned that, urban legend had it that Hillary Clinton's inability to give a decent blowjob was behind the fall of the Democratic Party, the assendency of Republicans America, in short her lack of talent in blowjob giving threatened world peace, prosperity, triggering the Iraq War, the launching of torture prisons, and no wonder she didn't win the Democratic primary. Who wants to vote for a woman who can't (we all assume) give decent head? That's a trait no politician should be without. Decent oratory skills.

But let's be serious for a moment here: we can't leave such things to chance if the entire health of planet earth not to mention the lives of decent men and women depend on it. That must end. We need to properly traing people: they need to earn blow job certificates, bachelors, master's, and Ph.D.'s. We need Doctors of BJ, Universities of BJ, the Sorbonne of BJ. Before getting married women (yes, we'll go with the premise here and stick with the female gender, but hell, maybe a few years down the line this thing will go viral and the men will compete hard! to earn such degrees as well) will have to take a BJ exam. No (good) head, no diamond ring. Sorry, sweetie(s).

But given the story of Edwards, I think we can't even stop there.

No we can't.

We also need to invent that certain special pharaceutical that allows people dying of cancer and taking a lot of other chemicals to give BJ's without puking.

That's the unselfish thing for them right? Puking is definitely out even if you are on chemo.

Sure: they're dying. But this doesn't give them the excuse to also be ruining their marriages by refusing (selfishlyselfishly) not to fully pleasure their partners. I mean this is the heart and soul of the marriage vow, right, in sickness and in health, until I receive a one bad blowjob from my dying wife....

Yep, the world is definitely shaped in this way. I look forward to the evolution of our species and plan to be there for the new world order shaped around the giving and the receiving of proper BJs for all.
Why is everyone so curious about other people's sex lives? I mean, who really cares?
@Tenacity Smith -- "I suppose I'm trying to sift through the attitude of "Men Deserve Blowjobs" and "It Is A Wife's Duty to Service Her Husband".

From what Rich is saying-- its the wife's duty if he's ever gonna get one. Because gettin it from anybody else is a no-no. And that was a large point of the post.
"...when it comes to what constitutes healthy sex, our society takes its cues from videotaped pornography. And blow jobs are a staple of pornography. "

Rich. How do you get from the importance of healthy sex to a reality based on the basics of video porn? My only marriage was flawed, and ended due to a lack of sexual compatibility. I question your assumption that marriage needs to provide some “basic” level of female submission and male dominance. Not all marriages are created based on an unconscious (I can only hope….) desire to live out some grade-b porn scene. Plus it really is more about the lying, betrayal and loss of trust. A couple BJ's is not really the point.

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