MARCH 13, 2009 9:42PM

Who says, “It’s not partisan”? I Say it Is.

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“It’s not partisan” or “It’s not a partisan issue”; can anybody count the times we’ve heard those phrases recently?  Politicians everywhere are using phrases like “bipartisanship” and “non-partisan issue” and “post-partisan” or “post-partisanship” (whatever that meansmore on this later) to describe approaches to topics such as the current economic problems, unemployment, healthcare, the Iraq war, sustainable energy, and any number of other topics, many of which inspire fabricated issues specifically designed to exploit partisanship.  One such topic that has spawned one of these fabricated issues is the discussion of bailout proposals for relieving banks of their bad debts.  The fabricated component designed to exploit partisanship is the use by right-wing politicos of the words “nationalization” and “socialism” and comparisons of Obama to Stalin to frame in a partisan fashion the debate surrounding the bailout methodology.

I’m not focused, here, on the actual bailouts, or any of the particular issues about which it is often said, “It’s not partisan”, but rather on the integrity of the claims, “It’s not partisan.”  There has been a seemingly increased intensity in cries for “bipartisan” actions and cooperation regarding America’s, and the world’s, most pressing issues, which is a perfectly reasonable and understandable appeal.  What I find less reasonable and understandable is; first, the expectation that such bipartisanship will occur at this juncture, and second, that when someone attempts to indicate blame for existing problems, many politicians start blaming the blamer, saying that pointing fingers and placing blame is counterproductive.  I do not agree and appeals for bipartisanship have led nowhere, produced nothing except the current tragic set of circumstances.  Logically, it seems that understanding what and who created the existing torrent of disastrous events and existing status quo would be integral to creating an antidote for the toxic effects of actions taken, and also in recognizing who might or might not be qualified and trustworthy enough to oversee implementation and execution of such a remedy for existing ills.  Additionally, knowing the views associated with particular representatives should have impact on future electability.

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It seems current debates are based on primarily partisan viewpoints rather than “non-partisan” approaches.  Disagreements appear largely based on the Republican premise that helping the average citizen rather than, or in conjunction with, corporations and business interests is “nationalization” and “socialism”, which are Republican negative propaganda words that Republicans attach to nearly all proposed legislation intended to improve living standards of the average American citizen, and especially if it helps people living below average American living standards.  Simultaneously, most of those same Republicans have no qualms about providing taxpayer monies to corporations that are failing due to their own greedy, dishonest procedures and inept management.

Can an issue be non-partisan?  I think it can be, but saying that finding a political solution to an issue is “not partisan” is pointless because the solution to the problem created by the “not partisan” issue is necessarily partisan by virtue of the fact that partisan values, which express differing goals, inevitably must enter into any discussion regarding what action should be taken.  In that respect, I think it is more counterproductive to attempt to silence those who expose the perpetrators of actions and policies that created the existing problems, especially when those perpetrators continually obstruct efforts to reverse some of the damage of their own past policy agendas by adhering to and promoting those same agendas and refusing to try anything different purely on ideological (partisan) grounds.  How else, aside from exposing past failures and their causes, can those who genuinely seek bipartisan efforts garner support for their policies?

Recognition by many better-informed, more intelligent, more ethical right-wing citizens that the Bush/Cheney White House has been an American disaster, and that a McCain/Palin administration would have been, in all likelihood, either a continuation of that disastrous administration, or an intensification of it, contributed to the required impetus to put in place an administration that has, at least, a different “partisan” view that will hopefully turn America in a better direction than she has traveled during the past 8 years (or 30 years?).  Such recognition does not occur by ignoring blame, by pretending there are not some who are directly more responsible for the issues at hand, nor does such bipartisan support occur by ignoring blame.

One issue that meets the definition of bipartisan or non-partisan is the need for investigations into the illicit actions of the Bush/Cheney administration.  A little over two thirds of Americans want an investigation of the crimes of the Bush/Cheney White House and THAT “coalition of the willing” is the base of a clear mandate if ever there has been one.  Yet, even this issue has its partisan components; there are clear divisions across party lines (it’s partisan) as to what sort of investigation should be implemented and whether there should be any actual prosecution of crimes committed by the Bush/Cheney administration.  A non-partisan perspective would be to investigate and prosecute when crimes are committed regardless of who committed them.  Interestingly, one area where Americans have seen the greatest congressional bipartisanship lies within this issue; that bipartisanship can be seen in the petrified unison of Congress in refusing to take action of the sort mandated by the Constitution and public opinion.  Yes, there has been much bipartisanship in that area; much bipartisanship in commission of, and ignoring, the Bush/Cheney crimes.  (Is that what is meant by “post-partisanship?)  And while it appears some investigations may be initiated, there is no real bipartisan support for them.

 

 

Another example of an issue that might meet non-partisan criteria is the issue of universal healthcare.  Most Americans agree that profit margin should not be placed above an individual’s health, especially in a nation as affluent as America, and that universal healthcare would have a beneficial overall societal effect, impacting a variety of issues.  However, as is true with the Bush/Cheney investigation issue, there are clear divisions among Americans as to how such a policy should be implemented and those divisions are, once again, distinguished primarily along partisan lines; Republicans, first and foremost, represent corporate, Big Pharma, insurance and business interests in the matter of healthcare, placing profit margin above and beyond the best interests of most Americans. In promoting that “partisan” value, Republicans bring out the abovementioned arsenal of propaganda code words and phrases; nationalization and socialism and comparisons of Obama to Stalin.

Unless we live in a dictatorship or a monarchy or a theocracy, rather than a partisan democracy, such as currently exists in America, everything political is “partisan”.  That is a necessary component of a democracy based on political Parties.  Political Parties exist solely to represent shared views held by the Party’s adherents.  Consider the current problem of the Obama administration’s attempts to “vet” appointees (see Saturn Smith’s blog), and how this is preventing forward movement; the problem is that the slightest little bit of “controversy” an appointee might present will be exploited immediately by… you guessed it… partisan attacks from Republicans in efforts to delay those appointments, thereby creating further bipartisan, petrified unison in Congress.  Speaking of petrified unison in congress, what do the terms “post-partisan” and “post-partisanship” mean, exactly?  Is use of those terms a diplomatic admission that there is now only one Party?

To say, “It’s not partisan” is to create confusion, apprehension and to diminish the importance of recognition of the perpetrators and their policies that created the issues in the first place. The story, The Emperor’s New Clothes, which has been repeatedly referenced regarding treatment of the Bush/Cheney administration’s actions by the mainstream media and Congress, also seems appropriate here; call it like you see it, call it like it is: there is a partisan aspect to the problems currently facing America. 

I say, “It IS partisan.”  To pretend otherwise obfuscates the truth and obstructs progress.  Catering to those who created the current fiasco merely prolongs the current policy stagnation that has paralyzed our national discourse, as well as progress toward meaningful solutions for long-term problems that have been ignored for too long while profiteers have transferred government funds from taxpayers to their own bank accounts; funds that could have been so much better invested in America.  Full exposure of their failures, their wrongdoing, their total dishonesty in policy presentation is key to understanding the problems they created, and which must now be solved, as well as how to avoid more such problems in the future.

 

Corporatists vs. Humanists

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Partisanship has always been part of America.  Since the beginning of “The Great Experiment”, the struggle between conservatives and progressives has seethed.  In what may arguably be an overly simplistic presentation, Conservatives were fundamentally those who never really wanted to secede from England.  Progressives fundamentally were individuals steeped in Humanist philosophical perspectives, which recognized the oppressive and tyrannical nature of monarchical and theocratic governance, which stifled human progress, and sought to break away from such.  Inspiration for the conservative perspective in that era, just as it is today, was based largely in greed and possession of wealth, as many of those conservatives were corporatists or had ties to corporate interests and had much more to lose by seceding from England.

The struggle between corporatists and progressives never died, but has continued ever since America’s birth and corporatists have, unfortunately, won most of the recent battles in America and have taken command of the high ground; American government.  Humanists must take back that high ground and the only way to accomplish that is to vote out of office those officials who do not represent Humanist perspectives, which includes some Democrats, as well as Republicans.

 

Religion

school_prayer copy Any discussion of differing values in American society demands mention of religion.  Religion accounts for many societal divisions; differences between the religious and irreligious and differences between different religious brands.  Divisions created by religious belief are many, they are multifaceted, and somewhat self-evident, and would take too much time and space here to discuss, so I will not, but they are important enough that their mention is warranted.  There is a segment of the American citizenry that aligns its partisanship primarily according to religious beliefs.


 

It IS Partisan; Not Post-Partisan

Returning now to the concept of a “post-partisan ideology” and “post-partisanship”, it seems to me that this is a telling centrist talking point.  Perhaps the members of congress and other branches of the government have become “post-partisan”, but the citizenry of the United States has not.  In fact, that citizenry may be more partisan, now, than at any other time in American history since the debates over secession from the Crown.

So, despite the possible and likely benefits of a post-partisan ideology, such an ideology is not the current reality.  Post-partisan government may be a worthy goal.  However, politicians who use the term “post-partisan” at this time in relation to dealing with current realities seem suspect to me since I do not see that Americans are in a post-partisan era, Americans are not “post-partisan” and the term seems to have no value in everyday reality or in the debates surrounding the current problems America faces.  It reveals a unique sort of deceit and negation of the American public in current politics; a denial of the reality of existing partisan values, a reluctance to acknowledge what partisan values created the current issues, and simultaneously, a seemingly masked admission by politicians of a possible reality that we have entered into a new era of one-party government – a complicit bipartisan disregard in Congress of the conflicting views of American citizenry.

To recognize those incongruous views, one need only consider recent displays of ill will towards the Obama administration by the likes of Rush Limbaugh, who speaks for literally millions of his loyal listeners across America when he unequivocally states that he wants Obama’s policies to fail.  Limbaugh’s is a purely partisan view, and it reflects the dissonance inherent in the reality of American society today.  There will always be divisions among people in how they view the world, how they perceive right and wrong, what they see as solutions to problems, and even in what they perceive as being a problem, and as long as that is true, there will always be political factions that come together to advocate their views.  In that sense, it will always be “partisan”. 

Advocating a post-partisan ideology serves better if kept in a realistic context.  A democracy without political parties might become a reality one day, and it seems logically like a better democracy and one I’d like to see, but that is not the system from which we must find solutions for our current problems.  America will be better served if its citizenry and congressional representatives recognize that the Emperor is not wearing clothes that are made of a post-partisanship that is “invisible to anyone who is too stupid and incompetent to appreciate its quality”, as was claimed about the fabric of the clothes in the story.  He is naked; there is no post-partisan ideology at work at this time.  Real solutions to real problems require working from a position of reality.  In reality it is a particular partisan value system that created the current toxic circumstances.  Stop blaming the blamers and join them in exposing and broadcasting that reality, help them drive it into the consciousness of the American public.  The reality is, “It IS partisan.”  Deal with it.

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I get tired of the interruptions in interesting discussions by those who try to push the centrist "post-partisan" ideology as if it has any real place in the discussion of current issues.
Evenin' Rick

What I think funny is the idea that "post partisan" and "bipartisan" are treated as some kind of numbers game, as if the proper balance of GOP/Dem votes can turn manure into gold. Political alchemy.

The unity we need can ultimately only be defined by a 65-70% approval. Hard to get there when the media pushes 30-35% opinion/ideology as if it represents 50% of the ideas available.
Helluva post, Ricke.

Post-partisan has only one valid meaning, a meaning like post-partum. "Boys, it's over, we had an election, the people have spoken, and they clearly didn't like what you were selling. Now get the fuck out of the way or get run over."

That's the only language Republicans understand, and that clearly was the modus operandi of Bush and the Rubber-Stampers in dealing with the Democrats after 2000 and 2004, even though Bush barely squeaked by in both elections. Mandate, my ass.

Obama had it right to begin with, and he ought to stick by his guns instead of compromising with those who refused to compromise for eight years and all but ruined this country. He should stick to what he said that was far more eloquent than any of his oratory.

"I won."
As a conservative I agree in theory with you in that I say when you get a liberal down...don't let him up. Unfortunately it is the John McCain's, Olympia Snowe's and the Susan Collins of the Republican Party.....(I'm a conservative and a libertarian and want all government to stay out of my business unless they are regulating trade and protecting our borders).
Stellaa,

Thanks for taking the time to read this and comment. Preserving the status quo is an important aspect here because Obama made such an issue of change. And I like the “yellow stripe and dead armadillos” reference, especially the “yellow stripe” reference to cowardice.
Paul,

Thanks for reading and commenting. You make an interesting point about the “numbers game” turning manure into gold; a fascinating alchemical fantasy, indeed.
;-)

And your point about media turning 30-35% opinion/ideology into 50% is intriguing, as well. Great point! But remember; “it’s not partisan.”
;~)
Tom,

You write, “…Now get the fuck out of the way or get run over. That's the only language Republicans understand”.

As long as “that’s the only language Republicans understand”, all talk like we’ve been subjected to about bipartisanship, and especially post-partisanship, is nothing more than distraction, albeit a worthy long-term goal. There is certainly nothing wrong with reaching out to the other side of the aisle, but there is nothing to be gained by expecting that side will respond favorably except what has occurred over the past 30 years as a result of reaching across and submitting to their demands.

I fully appreciate the depth of the simplicity of “I won”.
;~)
Hi, Eric. First, let me just say that if that is your real last name, it’s a great!
;-)

Don’t worry about offending with your comment; I see nothing offensive in it, at all. In fact, I appreciate critical thinking on any level, as well as the opportunity for discussion.

As to defining bipartisan, I don’t know that I actually engaged in doing that. The issue I’m addressing in this post is really more the idea that many politicos actually shut down meaningful conversation about who and what got us to where we are when they interrupt to interject the concept that we shouldn’t place blame because it (whatever the issue might be at a given moment) “isn’t partisan”. It should be clear that an issue isn’t partisan, but rather the perspective of the issue IS partisan.

However, I think I should add that the term bipartisan is an adjective; you can have bipartisan input, bipartisan effort, bipartisan support, etc. So I am not sure your critique holds up.

I’ve seen an unknown number of recent discussions in which one individual is exposing what got us into the mess we are in, only to be interrupted, or opposed, by claims that it isn’t a partisan issue. This merely distracts from the issue’s source rather than contributing anything useful to discussion. I’m waiting for the moment when I witness such an event and the person being chastised gets in the face the individual saying “it isn’t partisan”, and tells him to stop the holier-than-thou condescension and call it like it is. Republicans have done nothing but obstruct forward movement in these issues because of partisan values. So to say “it isn’t partisan” flies in the face of the facts. Consider the recent House bill that included considerable bipartisan input with concessions from Dems, and then not a single Republican voted for it indicating partisan act to undermine the bill, indicating a lack of bipartisan support. How can one possibly say that “it’s not partisan” in the face of such clear, indisputable evidence that it IS partisan?

You write, “Bipartisanship is only allowing all views (especially those you find disturbing) into the mix of both public life and civic life”, and that you, “Just see it much more simply.”

I feel compelled at this point to warn you about oversimplification of meanings. Your definition of “bipartisanship is too narrow. Bipartisanship does not mean “only allowing all views (especially those you find disturbing) into the mix of both public life and civic life”. Bipartisanship is a methodology, an approach, to addressing issues in which both sides of the argument work together to reach a solution. And post-partisanship sounds like a utopian fantasy to me; I certainly see nothing to indicate we’ll arrive there as long as we have an elected, representative government, and overwhelming ignorance and greed among the electorate.

I suggest that, for an “easy example”, see Tom Cordle’s “I won” reference above.
;~)

In closing, let me just say that I realize this one little critique on your part does not mitigate the clear acknowledgment that you and I agree fully on the overarching issue I raised.
I entirely agree with most of the points you raise here, Rick. I'll just focus on one in particular that strikes a chord with me, the idea that identifying who had bad ideas in the past is "playing the blame game." Even that phrase presses my buttons--it's not a game when we're trying to figure out who screwed up our government for the past eight years.

I'll give an obvious example: Bill Kristol. In 2003 he said, on NPR, "I think there's been a certain amount of, frankly, Terry, a kind of pop sociology in America, that, you know, somehow the Shia can't get along with the Sunni, or the Shia in Iraq just want to establish some kind of fundamentalist regime. There's almost no evidence of that at all. Iraq has always been very secular."

Bill Kristol should be the laughingstock of America now; he should not have been given an opinion column at the New York Times; he should not continue to appear on Sunday morning news programs; he should be mocked as an idiot. And yet he is not... Why is that? Is it for fear that one will be ostracized for pointing out that someone was tragically, diastrously wrong about one of the most important situations in recent U.S. history? Is it for fear of being accused of partisanship? I think so, as your post suggests.

There's much more I could say, but I thought I'd chip in a limited comment now, rather than just wait...
T.S.,

Thanks for reading and commenting. Would you expound on your point about McCain, Snowe, and Collins? I’m not sure what you are trying to say there. Also, if you believe the government should regulate trade, does this not throw you into a more liberal perspective? I don’t know many “conservatives” that support government regulation of trade, but that does seem to be a primarily progressive agenda.

Beyond that, I thank you for exemplifying the exact attitude that supports my thesis here.
;~)
Thanks, Rob. I think your sentiments regarding Kristol pretty much fit virtually anyone who served Bush faithfully in any manner whatsoever. Just off the top of my head, the only person I can think of who might not fit that bill would be Scott McClellan who has seen his way clear to at least attempt to make amends for his role in that disastrous administration.

But your example is indicative of the point I recently made in another blog about Colin Powell and the level of respect the MSM still awards him after his totally dishonest presentation, and his continuation of that dishonesty to this day.

And then there is the petrified unison in Congress to which I refer. I feel sometimes like I’ve entered into some kind of dead zone where none of the values I grew up with exist.
I think the American people are pragmatic and to the extent they want things to be non-partisan they want to think that the partisans are the ones supplying ideas about how to solve this or that problem but that the decision-procedure responsible for evaluating the ideas is neutral (other than that each individual voting may have an ideology). So, for example, someone says "how do we decide what to do about the bank failures?" and some say "let them fail" and others say "feed them money". Those ideas are borne of ideology. But then they present the reasons, with an explanation of what positive and negative effects a given idea would have, and then there's a vote. It seems not to work that way, but I think that's what people want.

I do agee that the more informed we are about what happened before, the more likely we are to not repeat the problem.
Rick - this is an excellent post. I particularly like the summation in one of your comments

It should be clear that an issue isn’t partisan, but rather the perspective of the issue IS partisan.

there it is. all issues have (at least) two sides. post-partisan is simply bullshit. bi-partisan might mean meeting somewhere in the middle.

I do think there is some room for a broader discussion and definition, though, which is what I am guessing Obama might mean when he uses the terms. I see it as finding issues where the partisan rancor is not turned up so loud or where INDIVIDUAL politicians may have have a solid reason for breaking from their party to reach a solution that is perhaps not quite so ideological. But, I agree that it won't happen in soundbites and that changing the actual ideologies is a farcical attempt.

Another confounding problem is that the lines between partisan values and partisan hacks have gotten all blurry. e.g., was Bush a conservative? not necessarily, but he was defended blindly by (most) wearing the Republican label.
Kent, odette, lpsrocks,

I responded to your comments last night, but apparently those responses were victims of the outage here on OS.

Odette, thanks for reading.
Kent,

Thanks for reading and commenting.

Your write that Americans want to believe that, “the decision-procedure responsible for evaluating the ideas is neutral (other than that each individual voting may have an ideology)” and that, “It seems not to work that way, but I think that's what people want.”

I think the above comments are true. I think it is more useful to openly state that it does NOT work that way than to try to pretend that it does or that it will any time soon. Obviously, working toward that goal is warranted, but let’s keep it real.
Hi, lps,

Thanks for reading and commenting.

You write, “I see it as finding issues where the partisan rancor is not turned up so loud or where INDIVIDUAL politicians may have have a solid reason for breaking from their party to reach a solution that is perhaps not quite so ideological.”

I’m not sure of your exact meaning and I hope it is not that we should look for such issues as you mention merely for the sake of finding solutions we can point to as bipartisan solutions. If such issues exist, then they should not involve all that much effort to solve in the first place, but you are probably right about Obama’s use of the terms in this sense; at least I hope you are.

Then you write, “…the lines between partisan values and partisan hacks have gotten all blurry”. I think that’s an excellent point in this matter. When I think about it, I’m not even sure where those lines are, at all, anymore. I have to wonder, though; is what we see today not perhaps the natural evolutionary development of those ideologies?
I came by and rated you but didn't have time to comment since I had something up myself. It is the extent to which the "partisanship" has gone in defining the culture itself that is the problem to me. Hardly anyone is left who knows how to think outside the box--though Obama is showing at least what happens when you make the attempt as a politician. "The darkness around us is deep." And you have brought attention to one of the symptoms.
Ben Sen,

Thanks for stopping by. You write, “It is the extent to which the "partisanship" has gone in defining the culture itself that is the problem to me.”

I think that is very true. It often seems as though it has devolved to an almost infantile state of one-upsmanship, and winner take all. Somehow, I don’t see ignoring that aspect as a means to eliminating it.
Damn good post, Rick.
My feeling about how partisanship gets framed is always that what's important to me is crucial to national security (or whatever), what's important to you is partisan.
I don't remember the Bush administration trying to be bi-partisan, but then again, the D's gave in so much, it might have well have been.
If being partisan or political means not giving in on issues of grave importance, well I'm pretty damn partisan.
It's about trying to frame arguments as if the status quo were important issues were valid for continuance when change is clearly due, if painful.
"A non-partisan perspective would be to investigate and prosecute when crimes are committed regardless of who committed them"

Yes!

excellent and well-reasoned post, Rick, isn't it funny that when the Republicans held the White House "bipartisanship" meant the Democrats should bend over for the Republicans (and they did, even when they'd regained control of Congress), and now that the White House has changed hands "bipartisanship" means that the Democrats should bend over for the Republicans, the more things change . . .
Great, detailed post Rick! Trying to be bi-partisan in this environment is folly. It is like trying to get along with your drunk brother who does not think he has a problem. The Republican coalition is a group that does not believe in any compromise and thinks of all others who have different world views as enemies.
To the republicans, everything is a partisan issue. I know republicans that won't go to certain restaurants because the owner is a democratic activist.

But then I refuse to eat at Outback Steakhouse or any of their related outlets because of their rabid support of 'consumerfreedom.org'. A Steven Milloy creation from the 'bought and paid for' junk science groups...

In the Bush administration, everything was naked partisan. Judges, attorneys, house cleaners... If you ain't sniffing the glue, slugging to kool-aid, you weren't in. If you would kick a grandmother down into the gutter rather than walk her across the street, you were in...

If your answer to any question was 'cut taxes' or 'Bush is persecuted' then you were their kind of parrot...

I've got distant family that are like that. I get so tired from being around them... So tired...
I believe that it was Newt Gingrich that described 'bipartisanship' as 'date rape'...

I guess he should know, being the rape-er and us being the rape-ee.
Well who would claim investigating Bush is nonpartisan? But they economy and recovery? Yes, that should be a bipartisan effort to determine the best strategy, with everyone hoping for success. As for a country without parties, that doesnt exist except for dictatorships and communist countries. The parties balance each other out. And any system of govenment without a popular vote, the power to chose and remove leaders is destined for tyranny, though a lot of socialists seem to think somehow you can let the state control everything without it becoming a dictatorship when history has shown it always starts with intellectuals and ends with generals and dictators. Centralized power is dangerous and always leads to the same thing. Fascism.
"Partisan" means one party absolutely refuses to acknowledge any credibility in the views of the other.

"Bipartisan" means both parties have a common scapegoat regarding today's problems.

"Bipartisanship" I think has something to do with putting those scapegoats on Noah's Arc.
(Just my 2 cents on that)

Thank you so much for tackling this issue. I appreciate that it was a labor of love for you to have taken the time to research and write such an excellent post.
Hi Rick. I'm a little late to the discussion. Did come when you posted, saw long *serious* article and scuttled away to something lighter. Returning now and putting head in vise.

You said, in the comments thread, "It often seems as though it has devolved to an almost infantile state of one-upsmanship, and winner take all. Somehow, I don’t see ignoring that aspect as a means to eliminating it."

Can agree with that.

From the perspective of a non-American, your system seems to have some difficulties. Congress and the House seem to be powerful but unwieldy bodies, and I'm a little fuzzy about the prez - is he extremely powerful or just someone with a podium?

Not that our parliamentary system is particularly wonderful (Churchill had the ultimate word on that), and it is based on the most fierce partisanship. But the ruling party is a quasi-dictatorship for as long as it retains power - and the P.M. is in charge. No wondering how many of their party votes they'll get and whether they can snag some opposition votes. The election determined the votes that will happen for the duration.

Then there's times, as currently here in Canada, when the majority party doesn't have a clear majority and has to get support from the next-popular party. Possibly some of what goes on could be legitimately described as bi-partisan. Though of course both parties are looking to mangle the other one if the opportunity presents itself, so cooperation between them is not all roses and violins.

So - what I see as a clear advantage in our system of government is that the leader of the country and his close cohorts can get things done...I was going to say 'efficiently', but that's probably not an appropriate term. Let's just say they can get things done. The leader damn well KNOWS how many votes he's got in the House (unless one of his party defects), and (except for minority-govt situations, which are rare for us) doesn't have to curry favor with the opposition. The job of the opposition is to yell and scream, but they cannot put a stick in the spokes. Nobody has to be bi-partisan.

We have the further advantage, it seems to me, in that while we have two main parties, which are Liberal and Conservative, we also have a fairly strong third party, which is socialist, and which always has enough seats in the house to get a third point of view publicized. We also had a somewhat radical conservative bunch, but they were absorbed into the Conservative party (where they got rather tamed), but we now have an up-and-coming fourth political presence in the Green Party. They either have only one seat, or no seats - but they get some press and if we had proportional voting they'd have, well, proportional presence in the House. Nevertheless, they believe their day is coming...

Now, whether three or four points of view vying for dominance is an improvement over only two (I discount your Libertarians and other small crank parties) is a question. I think it is... For instance, although the socialists have never won power in the federal government, and never hung onto occasional victories in provincial elections, they have been very influential - our universal government-paid health care would be the outstanding example. Our current Conservative P.M. (formerly of that far right-wing bunch I mentioned) wouldn't dream of dismantling it. I also attribute the Conservatives' total lack of interest (despite their personal beliefs) in undoing gay marriage and abortion rights to the fact that we have a legitimate leftist bunch with enough loudmouths in parliament to shame the Liberals into more, well, liberal views than they might otherwise espouse (all the Liberal P.M.s in recent memory have been Catholic) and to serve notice to the Conservatives that they have to keep pretty far to the left of their American counterparts. This suits me fine, but there may still be some people around who wish that role were filled by the old, deceased far-right party (Social Credit and its successors - hah! at one point, while trying to find a new name, they settled on an amalgamation of previous efforts and produced Conservative Reform Alliance Party, not noticing the acronym thus produced).

So you might say that, while our main mode is partisan, there are policies that come out of bi-partisanship and multi-partisanship.

Oh, and how could I forget the Quebec separatist party (one of them) that has a few federal seats...enough, in fact, to be a factor in the current minority-government situation.

Multi parties and minority governments can just be messy and ridiculous, as I get the impression is the case in Italy much of the time (tho Italy seems to be thriving, no?), and could produce just as much of a stand-off as the American two-party wrangling, but at least more viewpoints get aired and have a chance of influencing government policy...

I get the impression that the deep divide in American politics is painful and destructive, and that all the talk of bipartisanship is an effort to soothe that wound. But our way of third (and 4th etc.) parties is impossible under your system, yet it seems to me that's the only solution...

Happy politics, y'all!
Another example of how a third party can be better than two parties. In the U.S., politicians feel pressure to claim to be Christians and, worse, not to believe in evolution (remember that Repub prez debate?)

A Canadian blogger posted here yesterday about how our new science minister was a creationist. Left to their own devices, the Conservative government probably would have gone along with it, and the Liberals would worry about making noise for fear of antagonizing (minority but vocal) religionists. The third party, having some seats but never having to worry about formal power, exercised the power it has to arouse public opinion and influence policy - it made a racket about the science minister's perceived opinions, and he backtracked and said yes of course he believes in evolution.

So, while in the U.S., where the proportion of religious and non-religious is not that different than here, the political set-up puts pressure on politicians to be regressive, while here the pressure is to make them progressive. And to have policy based on a broader foundation than the either/or of the U.S.

(And you can bet the third party/socialists will keep an eye on what the science minister does and does not do...)
The Canadian blogger I mentioned is Erica the Green and her post on the Canadian science minister is at
http://open.salon.com/blog/erikathegreen/2009/03/17/attempted_hijacking_of_science_by_religion
Enjoyed your post very much, Rick.

I couldn't let Myriad's comment go unremarked: "We also had a somewhat radical conservative bunch, but they were absorbed into the Conservative party (where they got rather tamed),"

From where I sit, the radical conservative bunch actually hijacked the more moderate but almost defunct Conservative party & took over their name. Sort of a wolf in sheep's clothing, or, if you prefer, a would-be-bush dressed up in shiny Christmas decorations...

We do have the advantage of vocal minorities in the legislature, but with radically polarized parties as we have now, our only hope for reasonable cooperation is to have minority governments. Otherwise, we can only hope the current dictator-cum-prime-minister is a benevolent one.

I'm curious -- how much net difference is there really between Republican & Democrat? Are there no religious-righters in the DP at all? If so, then why does religion always play such a large role in U.S. politics? And why do people in the U.S., as judged by proportion of voters, seem to care less about how enormously you lied or stole than who you pray to or sleep with?
Perhaps I should go to your blog, Erika, to respond - but I think you're right that the Conservative Party has been made more regressive by absorbing the Social Credit, and given that the CP was almost wiped out at one point and only really rejuvenated by the far-rightists coming in, nevertheless the current Conservatives are a lot more moderate than the SoCred and Alliance, etc. Tho, again as you say, that moderation may be more the fact that they have only managed to get minority governments thus far!

I continue to think, however, that even a majority Conservative government wouldn't undo health care or gay marriage or abortion rights, which leaves them to the left of American conservatives.
I am reminded of an vigorous dinner table discussion one evening during which my father's wife finally said, "well, we all pretty much feel the same way about this," at which my sister and I looked at her like she was crazy and said, "Are you kidding?" and started to laugh.

I think being partisan is what politics is all about. Duh. Well done.
fingerlakes,

Thanks for reading and commenting. Haven’t seen you around here for a while.

You write, “If being partisan or political means not giving in on issues of grave importance, well I'm pretty damn partisan.”

That pretty much sums it up; if being bipartisan means giving up on important matters (how many times have the Dems sold America short in the past 8 years in the name of “bipartisanship”?), then I see no value in the concept.


Catamite,

Yes, a distraction of sorts, hiding the real issues behind the status quo.


Roy,

Thanks for reading and commenting, but “funny”? I might not use that exact adjective.
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But I get your point. It seems odd that something with the prefix “bi” would be a one-way street, but that seems to be the case, which is why aiming for what now passes for bipartisanship is a disastrous approach.


Spudman

Thanks for stopping by. Your “your drunk brother who does not think he has a problem” analogy, is a good one.


Gonzo, thanks for the read and comment.

You write, “I know republicans that won't go to certain restaurants because the owner is a democratic activist.” Yeah, but “it’s not partisan”. RIGHT.
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Jimgalt,

Thanks for your contribution.

You ask, “…who would claim investigating Bush is nonpartisan?” I doubt anyone would “claim” that, but the truth is that if bipartisanship existed at all, then there would be large bipartisan support for such an action. I might add, though, that I think your assessment of “socialists” is somewhat narrow… just sayin’.


RenaissanceLady,

Thanks for reading and commenting. Your definitions are interesting, to say the least, especially for “bipartisan”. When both parties have a common scapegoat… When have we seen that?
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Myriad,

Sorry about the long, serious post, but certainly appreciate your taking the time to both read and post such a long, thoughtful response.
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Comparing Canada’s system with America’s, you write, “…but at least more viewpoints get aired and have a chance of influencing government policy...”

That is, of course, the benefit of having more than two parties, which is something that actually gets closer to having no parties, or “post-partisan” elections. Somehow, I’m too limited in imagination to visualize such a system as “post-partisan”, though.

You also write, “…our way of third (and 4th etc.) parties is impossible under your system…”

As our system stands today, there is no disagreeing with that statement. I think perhaps the biggest obstacle to such a system as yours is the private financing and the unequal media exposure that occurs during campaigns. I think that if private financing of election campaigns were eliminated and more equal exposure of all campaigns could be achieved, more voices could be heard.

The religious component in American politics to which you refer is baffling. It did not start out that way, and it has arrived at that position, I think, primarily through right-wing exploitation of religion in politics. It is a truly sad development. I do think you are probably right that having more parties would help to alleviate that, and that is a point I had not actually considered before; thanks for bringing it up.
Hi Erika,

Thanks for reading and commenting. If I read you correctly, you’re saying that rather than the Conservative Party “absorbing” the radical conservatives, the radical conservatives absorbed the Conservative Party, so to speak.

A “would-be-bush” is a dangerous beast to have in power, as we have all seen.

As for your querry about “religious-righters” in the DP, I have to guess there may be some. I doubt that many people who subscribe to the beliefs that comprise a religious-righter’s belief system would fit with the progressive Democrats, but perhaps there are some of the Blue Dog Dems or other conservative Dems that garner support from some religious-righters.

You ask, “And why do people in the U.S., as judged by proportion of voters, seem to care less about how enormously you lied or stole than who you pray to or sleep with?”

I’m not sure that the perception created by the MSM of this issue accurately portrays the majority mindset of Americans. Clinton remained highly popular even while right-wing conservatives were persecuting him for his sexual exploits, but the media coverage made it seem like a majority outrage. It wasn’t. However, I think there are a lot of more liberal Americans who still want religious support behind their president; I don’t know why…
Lisa,

Thank you for reading and commenting. I would have liked to have heard the rest of that conversation after you and your sister asked your mom if she was kidding.
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You write, “I think being partisan is what politics is all about.” Yeah, seems kinda self-evident, doesn’t it?
Okay, Larry, now that you have that off your chest, why don’t you tell me how you really feel?
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I can’t find anything in your comment to disagree with. There were warnings from some of the Founders about “factions”, which meant exactly what you’re talking about, and which are, in essence, “parties”.

I thought you did a nice job laying out the order of “loyalties”. And your certainly correct when you write, “We end up with our parties all being basically dishonest.” And it’s easy to see why when one considers the basic structure of party politics; it’s virtually unavoidable.

Thanks for dropping by and commenting. It’s appreciated.
Wonderful post Rick. I think you and I are on the same wave length today. There's no such thing as ___________ (insert partisan word). It's just plain and obvious that there's a divide and it's not going away. I guess we have to out-stubborn them now since they won't play like mature boys and girls.
RATED
Greg,
Thanks for reading and commenting. You and I are definitely on the same page with this, as clearly are many others.

I sort of liked Stellaa's quote: "There's nothing in the middle of the road but a yellow stripe and dead armadillos."
Hi Rick,

Great post! I agree, non-partisan politics is an oxymoron. National leaders are very adept at using extreme words like nationalization and socialism to conjure up fear and repulsion among the masses. Yet we use euphemistic phrases like subsidy and tax-break to soften the perception associated with billions of dollars in corporate welfare. At this point, it’s doubtful the previous regime will be forced to account for their actions. That train has already left the station. A recent reading of Crossing the Rubicon has convinced me that power corrupts, and absolute power absolutely corrupts. There are too few voices of integrity and high moral standing on today's political landscape. Let's hope we truly get the change we are seeking.
Spin Doc,

Thanks for stopping by to comment.

You write, “… we use extreme words like nationalization and socialism to conjure up fear and repulsion among the masses. Yet we use euphemistic phrases like subsidy and tax-break to soften the perception associated with billions of dollars in corporate welfare”.

Well said. And that, my friend, is a perfect example of the only type of “bipartisanship” we have in actual practice.