
My wife loves watching movies. She especially loves romantic comedies, but she likes anything about love and romance. Happy endings are particularly important in her enjoyment of these movies and she really dislikes sad endings. Sometimes she will even avoid watching a movie if she knows in advance that the ending isn’t a happy one. Sad endings disturb her surprisingly deeply, and I’m not certain that she has ever seen a sad ending that she thought was the best ending for a movie; she virtually always wants a movie to end happily, consistently expressing disappointment at sad endings.
My wife explains her preference this way; there is already too much “bad” in the world. When asked why she so strongly prefers happy endings, she turns the question back on me asking, “Why would I want to watch a movie for two hours and end up feeling sad, or bad?” Her question seems reasonable enough to me, and I certainly don’t argue with its reasoning.
Well, while my wife loves watching movies, I’m less a fan, and my reaction to movie endings is very different compared to my wife’s. While I can certainly enjoy happy endings, often do, I sometimes find myself a little uncomfortable with happy endings. Sometimes happy endings leave me feeling a little vacuous, a bit overly soothed, as if the production of the happy ending was intended to numb me to reality, or perhaps dissuade me from any real thought. Of course, becoming numb to reality is sometimes the very reason I watch a movie in the first place, so happy endings certainly have their purpose. But, for me, anything artful serves more than merely to soothe me. I like art that inspires me to thoughtfulness. When I address my wife’s reasoning for preferring happy endings, the only response I usually have is that sad endings sometimes indicate to me that I am not alone in seeing the sadness that I see, and somehow that knowledge brings a certain sort of melancholy comfort.
Sad endings are often far more thought-provoking. I find this to be true in all aspects of life; it is, more often than not, the sadness in life that compels me, the sadness that inspires my thinking, my creativity in writing, whether blog posts or songwriting. I think part of the explanation for this is that a preference for happiness seems more easily understandable, and actions and events that lead to happiness are more commonly accepted and associated with reasonable human preferences; it feels good, as my wife so aptly points out. And it not only feels good to experience happiness, but it feels good to cause happiness in others.
The same is not true for sadness; neither feeling it nor causing it feels good, so it is more of a mystery when it occurs. I think sadness is more mysterious, somehow; both, because it is so prevalent, and because there seem to be individuals who feel no noticeable remorse over causing sadness. Another aspect of sadness for me is that I think I respond to the sadness of others more than the happiness of others. For instance, I can see a person experiencing sadness in a movie, and I can feel sadness in myself very quickly, but when I view a happy event in a movie, it does not conjure happiness in me to the same extent.
There is one scene (not an ending) that I have difficulty watching without almost shedding a tear every time I see it, and I also have difficulty discerning whether the scene is happy or sad; I think it combines both sadness and happiness in a way that, for whatever the reason may be, just moves. The scene occurs in the movie The Patriot. Mel Gibson’s character’s family has been moved to a coastal settlement to protect them from the British, and he has come there to visit them, and is leaving to go back to war, and his youngest daughter who would not speak to him throughout the movie, suddenly breaks down and runs after him pleading with him not to go. The sad happiness of that scene gets me every time; I’m not sure why. The scene occurs about two minutes in:
Another example of sadness that still manages to leave me inspired is the ending of One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest. Mac meets an end that is tragic in more than one way, but out of his tragic end, Chief finds the motivation to take back his life, and takes back Mac's life, as well. It gets me every time.
One characteristic of mine that probably plays a role in my movie-ending preferences is the fact that I tend away from formulaic approaches to things like movies, stories, songs, and probably almost anything artistic. It seems to me that most of the movies that end happily have a fairly formulaic progression, especially romantic movies, even if this may not be an entirely accurate assessment. I find, though, that when I am watching them they are quite predictable in the main aspects of the stories, although some of the details might vary, in the same way that so much of the newer pop music is almost entirely formulaic in composition, with only some variance in details like lyrics and studio production.
Speaking of music, this idea plays out, also, in the apparent differences in the music my wife and I gravitate towards. She likes a lot of the highly commercialized, song-oriented musical acts, while I tend more towards the instrumental acts that push the limits of musicianship. There are, of course, a lot of areas where her and my ears overlap, allowing us to find a lot of common ground, but there are undeniably dominant differences in much of what we both most prefer for our listening pleasure.
So the point there is that I tend toward less conventional formats, and I think that sad endings, hanging endings, create greater opportunities for unconventional story lines, with their endings leaving more room for creative thought. My wife? Er ..., not so much.
Neither my wife nor I are especially fond of endings that don’t resolve, endings that leave you hanging. However, as one might expect from what I’ve said so far, unresolved endings have a greater negative impact on my wife than they do on me. Not knowing with certainty what happens next seems to disturb my wife more than me; for me, not knowing allows for more possibilities of endings, and considering different possibilities is not necessarily a sad or bad thing. But there are times when being left hanging feels like I’ve been cheated.
What about horror films? They’re notorious for hanging endings, but my wife really likes a lot of them. Interestingly, she likes vampire movies and usually she finds herself cheering on the vampires, one recent example being the movie Twilight. She was very disappointed in how the movie left us not knowing what happened next, which I considered might be a set up for a sequel. Unfortunately, I found the entire movie a disappointment, a waste of viewing time, and so the thought of a sequel is not necessarily a good thing to my mind, while my wife hopes there will be a sequel.
Whatever it is that determines our preferences in movie-endings, it is seemingly not related to an individual’s intelligence. Intelligence might play a role in preference, but what that role might be, exactly, I can’t even guess. I just know that people of seemingly obvious differences in intelligence often agree on what makes a good ending.
So …, what is it that determines our preferences?
Is it perhaps a form of self-validation, a sharing of perspective, which we seek through the movie-endings we prefer? Is it purely escapism? Is it a desire for deeper human understanding? Is it dependent on mood-of-the-moment? What else might determine our movie-ending preferences, and what does it reveal about us?



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There are other films that are neither happy, nor sad endings, but still affect me strongly. The ending of "To Kill a Mockingbird" comes to mind. It isn't a sad ending really. After all, Jem survives; Boo came out and saved him. What the ending really portrays is the immeasurable love of a father, and the loss of innocence of the children.
Maybe the film endings that affect me most are those that show the noble possibilities of mankind. "to Kill a Mockingbird" is a perfect example. The sci-fi film "Gattaca", or even "Schindler's List" also come to mind. In the latter case, sure, the portrayal of the Holocaust is hugely sad, but we see the nobility of the lead character at the end, and the very fact he says he could have done so much more is further evidence of his nobility. Think of "Saving Private Ryan". Of course it is sad to see the thousand graves at the end, but I think the real message of the ending is the old man wondering, hoping, that his life was lived in such a way that the sacrifices of others were worthwhile. He asks his wife, "Have I been a good man?" He might as well have asked, "Did I live a noble life?"
This was a most thought provoking post, and I appreciate the opportunity to consider the points you raise.
One movie you might want to check out is "What Just Happened." It is movie about the movie business, and one of the plot points is that an unhinged yet gifted film maker has made a film where the hero (Sean Penn) and his dog are brutally and graphically shot. Advance audiences are angered and horrified, and the studio demands a different ending. It too made me think about the endings of films.
The movies pre 70s all seemed to have happy endings. I can't take that unless it seems believable. Same with books. People who like endings tied up seem to gravitate towards mysteries or romances. I'll take reality, untied, with lots of room for possibilities. Kind of like how I live.
Thanks for your comment. I like all of your examples, too. The ending of "To Kill a Mockingbird" is an awesome ending to an awesome story; most definitely one of my all-time favorites. One of the underlying points of that ending is that humans too often allow the destructive nature of unfounded fear of “the other” (usually more of a mental construct than anything else) to take command of our senses, which is one of my pet-peeves.
You write, “I don't think I really have a preference, I just want the ending to make sense based on what has preceded it.”
I think that in the bigger scheme of things, this is my perspective, also. It’s probably true for most people. But I just recently realized that I tend away from, or towards, certain types of movies more than others. And I wondered what that might tell me about myself.
Heh, Proco, as I read your comment, I sort of had the impression that you might actually prefer movie endings that are at least tinged with a touch of the tragic elements of humanity. Your desire to see something that inspires you about the “the noble possibilities of mankind” is, perhaps, most effectively manifested in seeing us rise above our own failings, the tragic consequences of our own devices.
For me, choosing examples for this was a challenge because it was so difficult to narrow it down. It was late and I just grabbed the first two that came to mind. I had just watched The Patriot recently so it was fresh in memory, and I had just run across my DVD of Cuckoo’s Nest while moving some things from one room to another.
Endings, as you say, absolutely need to make sense with what has preceded them. Interestingly, that is not always the case.
Thanks for reading and commenting.
My wife and I just recently saw What Just Happened. That story perfectly exemplifies one of the points I was making here; the sort of formulaic approach to creativity in our society. The realism that the director of the movie (within the movie) was trying to portray was betrayed by producers looking to promote a specific formula for producing art like so much sheet metal or packaged food.
Thanks for stopping by and commenting. I’m not surprised that you and I share a particular commonality in this; that the best art reflects life, creates a window into it, rather than merely masking it or escaping it.
Explaining your preference for unresolved endings you write, “They are the closest to life.” There is truth in that statement that can’t be denied, and that’s why sometimes I think unresolved endings are best for certain stories.
One thing about unresolved endings is that they always leave me wondering, and that is what good art does; it stirs something in you that causes you to examine yourself, others, the world, life in general, or whatever.
And for me, some degree of uniqueness doesn't hurt, either.
Thanks for reading and commenting.
You write, “I'll take reality, untied, with lots of room for possibilities. Kind of like how I live.”
Heh, when I saw that you had commented here, I knew, even before reading your comment, what your preference would be, based on what I know of you from your writings.
It seems there are those among us who want to explore, ponder, the types of issues raised in these comments, and then there are those who prefer to escape them, to avoid them. For me, those issues form some of the beauty of the mystery in life.
Thanks for coming back and engaging more conversation. Thanks for the recommendation; I’ll tell my wife about it, as she pretty much runs the show with our Netflix account.
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You write, ” Sometimes people are scared when art causes them to feel a disturbance.”
I currently have a family member who falls into this category (not my wife). This particular family member has very strict likes and dislikes, and for her, art is primarily decoration, something to be seen, but not lived --- at least that’s my interpretation of her use of art. She’s an intelligent woman, and politically liberal, yet my experience with her has shown that she gravitates away from things that make her think too much, or that require much focus, focus being something she often has trouble with unless it’s her own doing, saying, etc.
I guess art speaks to all of us in different ways, but I think that communication has to be, at least to some degree, a two-way street to get the most out of the art. What I mean is that we have to try to be open to what the artist is trying to say, even if we might not like the message. That’s just me …
Procopius' statement about plausibility holds true with me.
Of my favorite movies, I like the revenge/happy ending of Shawshank. Must be the Irish in me.
Midnight Cowboy has a sad ending that is as perfect as such endings can be.
This is a strange thought I've had stored away for years.
A movie that begins, establishes the characters and the plot...then the a truck runs a red light and kills the hero 45 minutes into the film. The audience is left in somewhat the position some families are in when a life is taken away abruptly. Loose ends, shock, sadness and disappointment.
Yes, I know it would be a box office disaster, but as an example of what life sometimes deals us...
The best ending I have ever seen is the end of Eat, Drink, Man Woman.
Two words. Father. Daughter. and a whole of subtext.
Two movies that stick out for me recently, and I want to be careful not to give the endings away. Gone Baby Gone had the kind of ending that could debated forever, as to the whether Casey Affleck's character made the right choice.
Another was Away From Her, starring Julie Christie directed by the Canadian actress Sarah Polley. It's an amazing film based on an even more amazing short story by Alice Munro, The Bear Came Over the Mountain. One of those rare endings that I think both you and your wife would find satisfying. People seem to project whatever they want into that ending.
Thanks for reading and commenting. Somehow, I’m not surprised that, after thinking about it for a minute, you arrived at the conclusion, “I guess, I lean more toward sad ones if it has a message.”.
My question to you might be, “Why?” Why do you lean in that direction?
Thanks for commenting. You write, “I rarely go see movies in the theatre.”
The same is true for me; I haven’t been to a theater in years to watch a movie.
You write, “I like the revenge/happy ending of Shawshank.”
Agreed; that’s a great movie and a great ending. Speaking of revenge, I find that I have always gravitated toward movies that end with revenge. I have to believe that is a fairly universal emotion.
As for your movie idea, I’m not so sure it would be a box-office disaster. I think it could be done in a way that would speak to people on a visceral level, and that always works, I think.
I don't have too many movies to discuss since I only watch them under duress. As last week, when one of my daughters and her husband came out to visit and stuck a DVD into my computer - which has a bigger screen and possibly better sound than my tv. So I had to sit there and be hospitable instead of doing housework, as I would normally do while 'watching' something on TV. The film was In Bruges, and I rather enjoyed it, tho I had a hard time with the dialogue (maybe my computer sound system isn't so great after all), and it had a terrifically and grotesquely unhappy ending, quite Grecian or Shakespearean. And there was no way to have contrived a happy or even neutral endng... It also starred someone whom I have heard of vaguely as being very handsome, Colin Ferrell, but I thought he was rather ferrety, which was perfect for the role.
But not that long ago, at a friend's house, while we were vegging on the sofa, I saw some movie, the name of which I forget and the stars' names I forget, and it had a grotesquely happy ending - after 90 minutes of mayhem, having causing bystanders to be incinerated in their cars or shot or their businesses ruined, the 'hero' and 'heroine' walked off into the sunset together! I almost threw my martini glass at the screen. Well, we were actually drinking wine, but we have this joke about rating things by how many martinis it takes to make them tolerable.
I think movies about romance and love, with happy endings, are the equivalent of romance novels - they exercise a kind of built-in wishful scenario of the female psyche, even while we all know what comes after the happy ending (in many cases). But it's not bad, I guess - it makes us feel like there are these possibilities out there...
But endings are dependent on what went before - and happy endings that are unlikely-to-ridiculous are annoying. I remember years ago reading Dostoyevsky's Crime & Punishment, a gloomy thing, and being taken aback by the ending - I don't remember details now, except that the killer-for-kicks didn't get his proper come-uppance. I was quite disillusioned with respect to *Russian classics*, which take some effort and dedication to read, and should not pull the rug out from under you at the end. LIFE IS TERRIBLE, EXTREMELY COLD, AND THEN YOU GET SENT TO SIBERIA WHERE YOU DIE A GROTESQUE DEATH, jeez, a simple enough formula to stick to...
Thanks for reading and commenting, and for the recommendation. I am getting some good recommendations for movies I haven’t seen, which is a benefit from this post that I did not consider when posting it. DOH!
Julie,
Thank you for reading and commenting. And thanks, also, for some more good recommendations.
;~)
You write, “I like an ending that makes me think about the characters long after the movie is over …”
Right, I agree. But what about unresolved in the opposite direction; have you seen a movie that left you wondering why something occurred, something that was integral to the actions of a character, for instance, but for which you never are given an explanation? That is sometimes annoying to me, while at other times, it just adds even more mystery, more realness to the story, as in life we often never get those kinds of explanations.
Carrington comes to immediate mind....as does Brazil.
Hmmmmm....
LOL! Thanks for dropping by. Your entire comment was about what I might expect from you based on what I’ve read from you in the past.
You express some good thoughts. I found your assessment of the Russian classics amusing. Would that assessment be a sort of stereotype?
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I relate to your “…how many martinis …” comment, although I’m more of a whiskey & beer person.
Thank you for dropping by and commenting.
Did you just have an epiphany?
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Time to pop in a Jane Austen treatment, stat!
(Also......Twilight is absolute shite....and I like shite.)
"Saving Private Ryan" had to end with Tom Hanks death, anything short would have been a sell out. One of my favorite lesser known endings is the film "Lost In Translation" where a whispered goodbye is made from Bill Murray to Scarlett Johansson and we don't know what is exchanged. They both smile and wave and he rides off in a cab. People were pissed because it wasn't neat and tidy, I applauded because I could write my own next chapter...
I love good endings. Not all are happy... "Schindler's List" could not nor should have had a cheery ending...It's not reality.
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7 out of 10 --- what do you think about that?
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Yeah, Twilight was pretty bad; I tolerated it for my wife's sake. What can I say ...?
Thanks for your contribution to the discussion.
You brought up some great examples. Love Actually; American Beauty; The Shawshank Redemption; Lost in Translation; Schindler's List and the others you mention are all great.
I also wonder what it says about our society that in both filmed versions of the Thomas Harris novel "Red Dragon" (first novel to feature Hannibal Lecter) they splash hideous violence all over the screen, but both end with romantic "happily ever afters" whereas in the novel the main character's wife just can't take it and leaves him.
Rated.
ahem.
Shawshank..yes....and Impromptu.thank goodness for Jane Austen and Shawshank......... or what I call the three "R"s of a satisfying movie : revenge, redemption and romance...if its got those..I'm usually good for at least some of it..
Add some good costumes..and....
Yes, I do know. I think I do know what all this death is about for me..
Escape....the ultimate release.
You can finally drop the rope you have to endlessly tug....
...I have a somewhat black mind.
Thanks for commenting. Yeah, the somewhat “canned” idea that movies have to end “happily” often ruins movies for me. I’ve never really understood that concept.
Persephone,
“escape …, death …, the ultimate release … You can finally drop the rope you have to endlessly tug...”
You’re depressing the audience; there must a happy ending or your movie won’t succeed.
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it's mood of the moment for some, for others---perhaps those who are more absorbed in the movie? in the movie situation?,than those
with a more analytical, aesthetic eye?---it is set in stone...
is it heart people vs. head people?
good questions...no certain answers , but some damn good speculation...got me looking at something i would not have considered, which i appreciate.
jim.rated.
Thanks for your comment.
You write, got me looking at something i would not have considered, which i appreciate.”
Cool; that makes me feel good about this post. You mention that sometimes feeling a bit “insecure” impacts your preference; that's a mood-of-the-moment preference. I get those, too.
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Films are so many things to people. But I find that those who seek out the art in them, as it sounds like you do, usually want some truth or inspiration. And as you say, happy endings don’t usually hit the 10-mark on that truth front.
But some of my most favorite films at least seek out some joy in those truths. Back when the movie posts were going on I was going to do something on my most favorite film, ‘Fearless’ by the film-god Peter Weir. With an ending that includes the entire 1st movement of Henryk Górecki's Symphony No. 3 (Symphony of Sorrowful Songs), all the themes of the movie come flooding through at once. And for a fairly dark and visceral exploration of true human fear versus an attainable, almost angelic yet fearless spirituality, the ending crushes us with the love and humanity of a wife struggling to literally save her husband’s life just moments after he asks her to save him figuratively. It’s not truth of experience obtained from this movie; it’s the truth of the emotionality of being human.
Another interesting look into happy vs. sad can be viewed through Chaplin’s films. Before the broadening period of the classic film era, Charlie Chaplin was about as popular as any filmmaker could be. More popular (in many ways) than any current filmmaker. He was known the world over. And yes, most of his film work was broad comedy, but always, even at the beginning, the humor was usually at the expense of that tragic tramp. For me, his best film was ‘City Lights’, a movie that he agonized over. The ending, when the beautiful flower girl with the newly restored eyesight realizes that the poor tramp, the one in front of her begging for food, was the generous man who paid for her operation is a wallop. I can’t remember the critic’s name at the time (been a while since film school) who used the phrase, ‘hurty little lumps’ while trying to describe the feeling of being sad and happy at the same time, but it was the common sentiment when the film was released (1931). The movie was very popular.
These days, people have gotten so used to one-dimensional happiness in movies. It’s a shame. Happy can be sad, too, as well a everything else in between.
LOL! “…I’d figure out potential girlfriends … by finding out what movies she liked …”
That’s funny. I’m assuming you don’t use that …, uh …, tool(?) anymore.
Thanks for the comment. You write, “These days, people have gotten so used to one-dimensional happiness in movies.”
I think the “one-dimensional happiness” to which you refer goes well beyond just “in movies”, at least here in America. How else could the Bush regime have sold all those illusions to so much of the public?
Anyway, you make some interesting points; thanks.
Studios have been behind most of the obvious or predictable endings because they are convinced that audiences can't handle the screenwriter's ending. It's probably the most fought over part of a movie release.
It is believed that any movie can be saved with a good ending or ruined with a bad one. So, when a movie doesn't end the way you expected like No Country for Old Men, the studios believe you've made their point.
One ending that is interesting will always be Pulp Fiction. The film ends with Vincent and Jules walking away from the diner. But we know it isn't the end of the story since we've seen Vincent get killed. The real end is when Bruce Willis drives away with Fabienne on the chopper.
It's a chopper, baby.
Who's chopper is it?
It's Zed's, baby.
Who is Zed?
Zed's dead, baby. Zed's dead.
Thanks for commenting.
Yeah, endings are so important. I’ve seen movies that don’t seem to make sense until the ending appears, and that is always an enjoyable moment. When that doesn’t happen, it is disappointing, at least most of the time.
So, endings can often make or break a movie, as you point out. The premise that “happy endings” are always necessarily the best seems to be a misjudgment, but in terms of “marketing”, I’m not so sure, as you also suggest.
What a waste.
I prefer endings that are genuine; not tied up in pretty little bows. Recently, I watched "The Visitor". The ending wasn't happy. It was realistic. And, that made me think about the movie's message. Had The Visitor ended well, I may not have given the message any thought.
That would be a disgrace.
Oh, considering the Twilight movie is based on a series of books, I would imagine that the movies would be a series too. Just sayin'
Thank you for dropping by and commenting. It is genuinely appreciated.
You write, “Had The Visitor ended well, I may not have given the message any thought.”
This was really one of the self-revelatory thoughts I had about my movie-ending preferences. And I wondered it this was not true for most. So far, it seems that it is more true than not, at least among the personality types that predominate OS.
I wonder if this is true regardless of considerations like religion, political persuasion, etc.
Regarding the movie Twilight, and the books that inspired it, my wife ordered a couple of the books to see how they compare with the movie. It is interesting how often the movie version of a particular story varies from the book version, and how almost invariably people who have experienced both versions prefer the book version.
Thank you for commenting.
I have to say that the “Blues” is one “formulaic” format that I appreciate, as long as it involves some really good improvisation, guitar or otherwise. In that sense, then, I get all that I want, eh?
How ‘bout you, Tom, what’s your predilection?
Preston Sturges ended The Palm Beach Story with a triple wedding overlaid with "And they lived happily ever after. Or did they?"
Persephone beat me to A Clockwork Orange. Though instead of "the blackest of endings," Clockwork finishes with a number of elements one finds in a happy ending. Ultimately, Clockwork is about the importance of the Individual. The State has no right to impose an altered personality. By the end of Clockwork, the Individual has triumphed over the State. Alec is cured of his mental triggers. He's able to force the government into giving him a high-paying job. Who doesn't root for the beaten down little guy sticking the screws to the government? Now, just because Alec's a sociopath being released back into society ....
Thanks for your comment.
You write, “The fun of a romantic comedy is how the characters get to the end.”
This is definitely true. Last night my wife and I stumbled upon Knocked Up, which is a movie that may not appeal to a lot of people, but it was late, we were both tired, and we enjoyed it thoroughly. But, on its own merits, the movie is weak in many aspects. It relies on strengths of the particular actors/actresses and occasional one-liners for support of a relatively weak storyline.
I enjoy some romantic comedies. Love Actually, As Good As It Gets, andAbout A Boy come to mind immediately without thinking. There are many others. Those all have some distinction to their stories.
I think there’s a place for everything, but some movies do a better job than others, regardless of the genre. Also, I really think some people are more drawn to one type of movie more than another.
It's not that I don't root for the loser or the hero or the oppressed and hope for a happy ending. But life, at least as I've experienced it, doesn't always have endings, maybe even seldom has happy endings.
The stories that matter to me are those in which the "hero" struggles against all that's arrayed against him or her, falls anyway, but has the courage to rise again even knowing that it isn't going to end "happily ever after". To me, that is victory.
I thank you for starting off your Sunday by reading and commenting.
I get what you are saying about horror movies, and the contradiction to which you refer is precisely the reason I included my wife’s liking of them in this post. Even she can’t explain why she gravitates away from more serious and tragic stuff on one level and yet gravitates towards the horror movie genre. They can be anxiety-producing at times, and there are times when she won’t watch them just for that reason.
There is a sort of funny family trait in her family about horror films; her father (now deceased) would not watch them at all, avoided them. Her brother says he won’t watch them alone, and her mother just doesn’t really care for them for reasons unknown or undisclosed. I think that’s kind of funny.
As for my wife’s liking of vampires, I don’t know this for certain, but I think it started around the time of the Anne Rice book Interview With A Vampire (is that the correct title?), which I’m sure is not an entirely uncommon occurrence.
Your tragic nature is showing. I’m in the same boat with you on that. I see humanity as an ongoing tragedy, which is not to say there aren’t happy times, or that good things never happen; they do.
I think I see it through the lens created by the concept that we are (at least we think we are) the only creatures who live our lives cognizant of our ultimate demise through death. Your explanation of the type of story you like fits my picture of humanity.
I just realized that I mistyped your name in my response to you here, leaving off the "t" at the end of your name. Sorry about that.
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"Forget it, Jack, it's Chinatown."
Thanks for the comment.
I think you’re right about the reason for why that scene in The Patriot is so effective. When it comes to Mel Gibson, I’m having trouble with him, too, at this point, although I was a fan at one time. It’s interesting how knowing what I know about him in real-life affects how I view him in movies. I guess that’s my problem to deal with, eh?
You write that you “…don't believe that it's so vital that's it's a joyous ending …”
I’m wondering, though, do you actually find that you have a preference? Some do, some don’t.
Thank you for commenting.
The movie ending to which you refer would seem to point to a sort of existential view of things. That ending seems to refer to the pointlessness of some things in life, and the struggle to deal with them.
I'm with you in that formulaic movies make me crazy and I also hate most happy endings, as I don't feel they're earned - they feel contrived and artificial. Endings that are happy but feel earned are different - but I find they're far rarer.
I like what other people consider "sad" endings and also ambiguous endings, which I think are the least favored by audiences. I find formulaic movies and endings unbearably depressing; whereas what other people consider "sad" movies don't have that effect on me. Basically my litmus test is whether it feels authentic and touches me emotionally for that reason.
Thank you for commenting.
It appears that most of the people who have responded to this post have said pretty much what you have said. With that in mind, I find myself wondering about the concept of the “Hollywood Ending” that we consistently hear about. Why has that become such a truism? If so many people here on OS don’t see that concept as worthwhile, what differentiates OSers from these people who Hollywood thinks prefer those famous Hollywood Endings? Is Hollywood operating under a false perception? I wonder …
seriously, I think that the vast majority of people are like your wife, and prefer a neat, happy ending. I don't think those folks are posting on OS. I don't think writers in general feel that way. But very few people are writers or artists vs. the general population.
I think it is a valid distinction you’re making, which I interpret as entertainment versus art. I guess both can be either, but there is a level at which art becomes more demanding than pure entertainment of its observer-appreciators’ faculties. In order to appeal to the broadest audience, concessions must be made; a symptom and failing of capitalism in how it reduces overall quality in many situations.
Even so far as noticing that if I saw someone else in grief on tv, I would begin to feel like crying too!
(What on earth....?!) Anyway, whatever the change was ~ it has effected how I view movies; particularly endings!
Hmmm..... a little bit of a mystery, eh?!
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Thanks for dropping by. You reiterate the same idea others have stated; “sometimes life is unresolved”, and that it’s important for the ending to “make sense”.
Nahatsu,
It’s nice to hear from you. The situation to which you refer may very well be due to hormone changes that occur in many women after childbirth. I know one woman who lost virtually all of her sense of smell after having her first child. Hormones are sometimes sort of unpredictable.
The beginning and end of the topic
is the Robert Altman film THE PLAYER
There is the feeling that the HAPPY vs Not So Happy
establishes 2 genre. How about the 2 genre:
the kind you can watch casually VS
the kind you need to really pay attention to
You mention two movie types, “the kind you can watch casually VS
the kind you need to really pay attention to”.
I guess that distinction exists even within each of the two genres of “HAPPY vs Not So Happy”, as you worded it.