JANUARY 13, 2011 11:17AM

Loughner, Tucson Deaths, Societal Violence & Mental Illness

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Societal violence is not caused by speech; violently tinged speech is a reflection of societal conditions that create unrest and violent urges among the citizenry.  That is not to say that there are no individuals who are inherently more inclined toward violence; such individuals definitely exist among us.  I encounter them daily.  That is also not to say that there are not those among us who attempt to exploit just such societal conditions.  Those individuals are on display daily, perhaps more, now, than at any other time in human history.

Public displays inciting violence will only resonate with people who are susceptible, as a result of anger from feeling threatened, oppressed, abused, or abandoned; conditions that such incitements are intended to exploit.  Depending on circumstances, in some people, such emotions are warranted; in others they are not.  All other things being equal, most people, given the choice, will avoid violence if possible.  

It is a well-known and undeniable tactic among politicians to set up just such societal conditions, to influence factions resulting from divisions created by such societal conditions against each other, and then to align with one side or another politically. 

If there is one truly distinguishing characteristic that separates the two opposing factions of Progressives and Conservatives, it is that Conservatives historically resist change and adhere to the politics of fear, ignorance, and anger.  Historically, it has been Conservatives that seek to create just such conditions, thereby, to manipulate those who feel that anger to direct it at political opponents; virtually all of their policy agendas clearly reveal their exclusionary and divisive worldviews.  Excluding military coups, this has historically been the single most successful political strategy for societal control; divide and conquer. 

There are other forces at work within some individuals, however, that are not understandable, nor relevant in these terms.  To confront those forces in conventional terms creates confusion about the real problem and its cause.  Mental illness is a truly horrible torment for those who must endure it; for those who do not, it is simply beyond anything remotely resembling understanding.  Unfortunately for all involved, the two divergent comprehensions of the world sometimes can cross over and create a confused and destructive societal condition in an already volatile environment.  The recent assassination event in Tucson, Arizona is an example of just such a crossover of perceptions.  And the media spin presented by the two major political parties, Republicans and Democrats, is an example of the political exploitation of which I speak. 

The assassin in the Tucson event was Jared Loughner.  Mr. Loughner is mentally ill and his self expressions reveal a perspective of the world that is beyond the reach of any of the political spin presented in the media.  The warning signs of his illness were clear, yet they were ignored for reasons based in various societal values.  Loughner’s views are being asserted with no foundation by those on the Left and by those on the Right.  The Left says his actions are the result of speech from the Right while the Right is claiming his views are more aligned with the Left, yet nobody can truly understand what his views are.  And in the process of misrepresenting Loughner’s views, the reality of the underlying issue his case presents is lost.  An excellent article that discusses that reality can be found here. 

My intention here is only to say that neither the Right nor the Left should be exploiting Jared Loughner’s mental illness for political gain.  The discussion regarding Jared Loughner, his delusions, and his bizarre behavior and destructive actions should only involve ideas of what can be done on a societal level to reduce the likelihood of such calamity.  The discussion must focus on individuals such as Loughner, not on restricting the rhetoric that reached hundreds of thousands of others who did not engage in the same actions as Loughner.  In the case of an individual like Loughner, nobody can tell with any certainty exactly what will set them off.  In many cases, religious rhetoric sets them off; there is a high degree of religious ideation among schizophrenics, yet we do not hear exclamations about restricting religion. 

Blaming Loughner’s actions on political rhetoric seems to me almost insane since Loughner is insane to begin with.  But beyond that, why are we not focused more closely on those among us whom we consider sane and rational but whose rhetoric sends our society in the directions of destructive behaviors based in the greed and self-interest of their own personal gain?  Here are only a very few such directions: 

ü       Unnecessary wars;

ü       Environmental pollution that poisons us, our progeny, and virtually every other species on the planet, as well as the planet itself simply to increase corporate profits;

ü       Denying citizens the same quality healthcare that they possess at the expense of those same citizens;

ü       Ignoring the financial ruin of average citizens caused by Wall Street corruption while bailing out the Wall Street banksters that caused that ruin and are now repossessing many of those same citizens’ homes.  

Some of those politicians, on both the Left and the Right, that direct us in those destructive directions are also some of those who are stepping forward to politically exploit Loughner’s mental illness rather than presenting possible solutions to the problem of reducing the likelihood that such events will occur again.  That problem is complicated and not reducible to one-line bumper-sticker slogans, so don’t expect any real focus on solutions for the problem.  It is just easier and more beneficial to engage in media spin for political gain.


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The notion that the most commonly used tactic for societal control has been "divide and conquer", I think has given way to an even more formidable approach known as the Zulu Horns of the Bull. Used by the Zulu against the invading British it involved lulling them into a sense of complacency, feigning only an attack front the identifiable front. However the lesser armed Zulus then began to circle the British troops and attacked from the rear.The formation was known as Horns of the Bull.
Unfortunately the oppressors have recognized the importance of that chicanery and its effectiveness and we now see them, rather than the underdog, employing it on the masses in the form of economic collapse.
We've been duped.
Perhaps the media is more to blame in this matter than we are discussing.
a.k.a.,

Correct me if I misread you; is not Naomi Klein's "Disaster Capitalism" a version of this? It would seem so.
Well said throughout.

This sentence sums it up perfectly for me. "Some of those politicians, on both the Left and the Right, that direct us in those destructive directions are also some of those who are stepping forward to politically exploit Loughner’s mental illness rather than presenting possible solutions to the problem of reducing the likelihood that such events will occur again."

Thanks.
Rick,
You're not misreading my comment. Naomi Klein's " The Shock Doctrine", delineates the economic policies of Milton Friedman and his followers. The swooping in and exploitation by the monied of disaster wracked portions of the world is well documented.
Haiti sets stagnant, a crumpled heap still, I think because it just hasn't been decided yet how to sweep the citizens away and begin to sell off oceanfront view lots. If the medicine needed for the cholera doesn't arrive it certainly could expedite the process and be said to be a natural and unfortuante adjunct to what nature has wrought.
Do what we will, there is not nor will there ever be a fool-proof mechanism to keep a crazy person from being crazy, or even to prevent a crazy person from committing violence. We need to do what we can for the mentaly ill, and a socially responsible country would extend that concern to cover physical infirmities as well, but given that our nation has decided it doesn't want universal health care it will be a long time 'til we've reached that point. In the meantime, in the aftermath of the Tucson shootings I've heard a lot of condemnation of both the Left and the Right for their rhetoric and for their attempts to use the tragedy for political gain. Such condemnations miss a couple of critical points. First of all, there is no equivalency between the sort of rhetoric used by the Right and that used by the Left. Our idiot media does a great job of making the two things seem like mirror images of each other but that is a narrative with no basis in reality. Secondly, though I agree there's no way to directly link Loughner's actions with politics, the zeitgeist of fear and crisis which Rightist leaders have worked feverishly to create is very relevant to this discussion. The phrase "nothing happens in a vacuum" comes to mind. We need to bear in mind here that a U.S. congresswoman who was specifically targeted by the Right-wing hate machine with inflammatory words and imagery was, a couple months later, shot in the head. It seems to me of considerable value to point out to hatemongers and those who listen to them what their rhetoric looks like when carried to its logical conclusion, and the Tucson tragedy gives us the opportunity to do so.
Stellaa, thanks. The blaming doesn’t seem to be helping anything. There are so many other things that seem to be ignored these days, which are more clearly related to political rhetoric. This is just sad in every way.

Grif, thanks. It's good to see you here.
a.k.a,, I’m still surprised at how many of our fellow citizens don’t seem to recognize the ploy that the so-called fiscal conservatives in Congress are using; create debt and then say the only way to reduce that debt is to cut spending on SOCIAL programs.

Caracalla, winkin’ backatcha …
Nana,

It’s always good to see you here.

“We need to do what we can for the mentaly ill, and a socially responsible country would extend that concern to cover physical infirmities as well”

This is precisely what should be discussed; not all this other crap that we’re hearing.
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“…there is no equivalency between the sort of rhetoric used by the Right and that used by the Left”

Agreed. As I said, the Right has historically engaged the politics of fear, ignorance, anger, etc. This cannot reasonably be denied.
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“The phrase "nothing happens in a vacuum" comes to mind.”

Nothing happens in a vacuum. From a purely reasonable perspective, it seems to me that to blame this on something said by someone else diminishes the position that the rhetoric on one side is less reasonable than the rhetoric on the other. Those on the Left who have acknowledged this are, I think, doing more justice to the Left than those that are busy pointing fingers, calling for more gun control, etc.

The correlation of “a U.S. congresswoman who was specifically targeted by the Right-wing hate machine” being shot also misses a number of critical points; the number of people shot; the individuals who were killed; the total number of shots fired; and the fact that he wasn’t finished even then. He would have continued shooting had he not been taken down while reloading. What do we make of all those facts?

If Giffords was his only target, and if his only inspiration was hateful rhetoric directed at her by someone else, on whom do we blame all the other damage and deaths that would, in that case, have to be viewed as some form of strange collateral damage?
“We need to do what we can for the mentaly ill, and a socially responsible country would extend that concern to cover physical infirmities as well”

This is precisely what should be discussed; not all this other crap that we’re hearing.


I don't buy that one. When choosing a topic to discuss it needn't be a zero sum game. There are always many issues worthy of having a conversation about, and just because I choose at a given moment to have a conversation about one doesn't mean I consider the others unimportant. By that logic we'd need to choose the single most important topic there is - global warming perhaps - and never mention anything else 'til we've solved it.

From a purely reasonable perspective, it seems to me that to blame this on something said by someone else diminishes the position that the rhetoric on one side is less reasonable than the rhetoric on the other.

I wasn't directly blaming what happened on anything anyone said. As I stated before, there is not enough evidence to blame the shootings on the other side (though if one wanted to play that game there's no way to prove the opposite either, short of a statement from Jared Loughner). Regardless, events do occur in a context, and my point was, given that this incident occurred in a national context of heightened fear and distrust and polarization caused by hatemongers and political opportunists who have repeatedly used language which is likely at some point to generate bloodshed, it presents an opportunity to point out that maybe such language is harmful and hopefully incentivize them to back the fuck off of their more outrageous activities. That is in fact precisely what is happening, as witnessed by Palin's taking down her crosshairs map, and by the sudden disappearance of the Web page on which an arms manufacturer was promoting sales of an assault rifle that featured Joe Wilson's phrase "You Lie" etched onto the lower receiver.

The correlation of “a U.S. congresswoman who was specifically targeted by the Right-wing hate machine” being shot also misses a number of critical points; the number of people shot; the individuals who were killed; the total number of shots fired; and the fact that he wasn’t finished even then. He would have continued shooting had he not been taken down while reloading. What do we make of all those facts?

What we make of those facts depends, apparently, on our personal priorities. For some it's a chance to push for gun control. For others it's about the plight of the mentally ill. For many it's a chance to score political points or to call for liberals to be *nice* or to equate Rightist rhetoric with Leftist rhetoric. For me, given that since a week or two after Obama's inauguration I've been hearing shrieks of "I want my country back!" from a mass of deluded, hate-filled know-nothings who think that losing an election gives them the right to shout down and threaten the rest of us, the tragedy in Tucson is, among other things, a chance to say "Something really bad is going to happen if y'all don't stop screaming and saying shit like "lock and load" and "2nd Amendment Solution" and "We Came Unarmed - This Time."
I agree with Nana's thoughts.

As for why all those other people besides Giffords if she were the target, and that as a result of rhetoric - well, the guy was nuts. If he thought it a good idea to kill Giffords, then why not all the 'disciples' clustered about her. Or something. But basically we're trying to apply rationality to insanity. I don't think the other victims indicate anything graspable, even if it were an insane but targeted assassination.

But anyway...I think as a society we need to consider insanity that is not 'clinical'. That is, our priorities and the way we deal with them is insane. What is the solution for that? As you say, TPTB running up debt and then declaring that the solution is cutting back on social programs... Well, there's no shortage of examples...the o'seas wars, the health-care scene, etc. Clearly insane...but 'normal' 'sane' insanity... This kind of insanity seems to be either the majority of people, or at least the majority of politicians (and people involved in politics...),and therefore kind of intractable.

HOWEVER, the long-standing insanity of religion has faded...almost to black in a lot of countries, and maybe more so in the U.S. than appearances would indicate... A lot of insanities (the divine right of kings, many forms of government and ways of looking at things) have been pretty well 'cured' in some parts of the world, anyway. Slavery, some pretty savage ways of raising children, the position of women, etc - so many insanities we've found or fought our way out of... Superstition has given way to science... But it's hard. The default position of the human mind appears to be insanity...
Nana,

Thanks for coming back. I was pleasantly surprised to read your further comments and I have to say we do not disagree on the main points, as far as I can tell.

“When choosing a topic to discuss it needn't be a zero sum game.”

Agreed; I don’t think we need to focus single-mindedly on one topic either, and that’s not what I said or intended. The point, though, is that when an opportunity such as this presents itself to have an enlightened and constructive discussion about a truly serious underlying problem, and what we get instead is a lot of unfounded finger-pointing, then that opportunity gets lost in the shuffle. It’s really just a distraction from the real problem.

In fact, it seems to me that once the actual underlying problem is placed on the discussion table, there would be no way to remain single-mindedly attached to only one topic because discussion of the actual problem necessarily opens the door to many other related issues that are also missed in favor of simplistic, bumper-sticker-sloganesque approaches.
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“I wasn't directly blaming what happened on anything anyone said.”

Yeah, I knew that, but others are and have been, which is the issue I’m addressing here. You don’t blame the Tucson assassination on anything anyone said because you clearly see that the evidence does not support that assertion. So why are there so many who don’t see that?

You reference that things happen in a context and that’s not in dispute. The issue is whether or not a particular event is a product of which particular context. You point out that there is no good evidence to support the finger-pointing we’ve seen, so the questions becomes; why are we seeing that finger-pointing and how much good is that finger-pointing doing? Placing events into the wrong context does not help either the underlying problem itself, nor does it help understanding things that actually belong in that same context. Confusing the issue can’t do much good on any level.
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“What we make of those facts depends, apparently, on our personal priorities.”

I suppose there is always some of that truism present in any situation; it’s impossible for us to completely suspend our biases. I don’t know that the human failing mentioned in your statement is the best approach for us to take, though. I think that is precisely the problem.

It seems that we are better served to be more reserved with our conclusions in situations such as this Tucson event because the more we muddy the waters before all the facts are clearly understood, the less likely we are to ever have a clear understanding of the real issues.

And I, like you, am completely overloaded on the Right-wing rhetoric and the congressional conservatives blocking anything remotely resembling “progress” --- I’m sick of, as you put it, “…hearing shrieks of "I want my country back!" from a mass of deluded, hate-filled know-nothings who think that losing an election gives them the right to shout down and threaten the rest of us …”. I’m worn out trying to understand the lack of clear thinking and the illogical arguments from the Right that seem to change direction at the drop of a hat whenever it suits them.

I’m sorry that we have a president who has squandered, through his pandering, some truly great opportunities to move us forward and I’m sorry that the Democratic Party has been infiltrated by conservatives called Blue Dogs who are involved in that process, as well. In fact, I’m so disgusted and disillusioned about virtually everything in this country right now that half the time I don’t even bother to write about it anymore. I feel your frustration, too, and since I am surrounded by those of whom we speak, the right-wingers, on a daily basis I’m constantly experiencing this barrage of idiocy. What inspired me to go ahead and write this post is that I have people whom I respect and consider intelligent, forward-thinking people also engaging in blaming the Right for this horrible assault that occurred in Tucson. That especially worries me. Let’s blame the Right for their rhetoric, but let’s use examples that are actually a result of that rhetoric because that keeps our argument honest and valid.
Myriad,

Happy to hear from you.

“basically we're trying to apply rationality to insanity.”

Exactly the problem. Thank you. That is precisely my point when I said, “Blaming Loughner’s actions on political rhetoric seems to me almost insane since Loughner is insane to begin with. But beyond that, why are we not focused more closely on those among us whom we consider sane and rational but whose rhetoric sends our society in the directions of destructive behaviors …”

Then you refer to one my favorite brands of insanity; RELIGION. Regarding its fading away, I saw the results of a poll recently that revealed that the various levels of individuals self-identifying with a particular brand of religion have not changed significantly over the past 20 years, (or maybe it was 30 years, I can’t recall the exact time frame now, but I have the results saved somewhere) with the exception of one category. While all levels of religious identification have remained fairly constant during that time, the number of people identifying as atheist virtually doubled during that time. Of course, there is the bad news in this; those reporting as atheist was only about 18 - 19%, but that was up from 9% in the last poll. I guess we can hope.
Argh, 19% admitting atheism is pretty low...tho the reality is probably higher - lots of people never give religion a thought, and there's no category for them. At any rate, in other countries religion is certainly fading - the formerly very strongly Catholic countries are pretty indifferent to religion. In the U.S., professing religion seems to be like wearing a flag pin - for politicians. Anyway, one can only hope... progress seems so slow, with (damn, what's the religious term? oh yes - backsliding...
Much meat here, Rick, as always. And while it's undeniable that reason is of little use in trying to explain the irrational, it is equally true that vitriolic hate-speech is at best the equivalent of weeds in a garden, and at worst, poison in the well.

Don't recall the source, but there is an expression "they became what they beheld" and never was that more true than with those who behold Fux "News".
Rick, I think we're 90%, maybe 95, on the same page.
Myriad, yep, 19% is way too low, but as I said, I cling the hope provided by atheism being the only category that showed significant increase.

Tom, thanks for stopping by. Just to be clear with both, you and nana, I totally on board with the toxic rhetoric problem; I just think Loughner is not the best case for that argument. I think I said in someone else's comment thread that his assaults in Tucson provide a good catalyst, but I think we should refrain from blaming his actions on any one group of people.

nana, I think the level of agreement is higher than 95%, but I'm not exactly sure where we disagree.

While I'm thinking of it, there is one point in my post that seems to tie in with this whole concept of poisonous speech affecting the insane to commit crimes. What about the fairly consistent association between insane individuals and religious rhetoric? If religious rhetoric drives some individuals to commit crimes, which it does, why don't we hear more outcries along the same lines as we are hearing regarding Tucson?
"If religious rhetoric drives some individuals to commit crimes, which it does, why don't we hear more outcries along the same lines as we are hearing regarding Tucson?"

Ah, but there we're straying into forbidden territory. The current narrative in this country is that when Muslims commit crimes, terrorism being the one that leaps to mind, they're doing it because of their religion, but when a Christian commits a crime religion has NOTHING to do with it. Ever.
So why in Hell does religion get such a free pass? WHY?
Because no one, in this era where politicians are required to describe what devout Christians they are to have any chance of being elected, is willing to say anything to anger the fundies. The Christian Right is no longer a religious movement as such; they're a political movement, part and parcel of the Republican party and of the Teabaggers who now crack the whip over American conservatism.
Yeah, I've contended for most of my life (since about the age of 12 or so) that religions have always primarily been political factions.