APRIL 9, 2011 11:44PM

Heretics & Infidels Avert U.S. GODvernment Shutdown

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In a miraculous development, congressional heretics and infidels, those godless heathens bound for the Great Sinners’ Dungeon, managed to prevent the United States GODvernment from shutting down, leaving the Satanic Planned Parenthood in tact for the present time. 

Further disappointing God’s faithful, the Evil Protection Agency (EPA) was also spared from having its funding cut for the present time, leaving this evil agency in tact to continue its godless protection of God’s creation and of the health of beings living here. 

Another disappointing development of this agreement is the slowing of the transfer of treasure from private citizens to the churches of the corporate gods served by the GODvernment.  Thankfully, there was no development moving treasure in the opposite direction.

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The Saintly GODvernmental retrovertive representatives supporting the elimination of health services and environmental protections will certainly continue to fight for what is right – the elimination of as many programs as possible that help less fortunate Americans.  Such programs are derivatives of the unfortunate concept of attempting to create more equality among all citizens, thereby creating a more viable society.  The ungodliness of such programs is an affront to all morally righteous and ethical persons deserving, and in possession of, greater advantages.  These programs are clearly detrimental to any undeclared theocracy such as that which exists as the U.S. GODvernment. 

Hopefully, in coming months, such ungodly institutions can be reduced, if not eliminated, as well as any vestiges of equality of access to resources or fairness in wages or income levels that might further disadvantage the most deserving wealthiest representatives of God’s chosen ones within the corporate theocratic GODvernment.

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Do I detect sarcasm here?
Uh, whatever would make you think that?
Thanks, Southerners and Midwesterners, for being completely credulous in your religion and mixing it with politics. Good moves on the cuts, especially since your states are the poorest, and will be hit hard. Sadly, inner cities of the "Smart States", where church going is slowing to a crawl, will also be hurt, badly. Nice that you think the Lord hates gays too, especially with the gay caveman who predates your religion by thousands of years was unveiled today, what say you to that? It is nice that only so long ago that some folks are still alive today to remember that your churches were the home offices of the KKK- I wonder, just wonder, if that influences your hatred of the BLACK HAWAIIAN FEARLESS LEADER that even many of you voted for as you had the sense to know THE MUMMY & THE DUMMY would finish the economy and you'd be sunk like a stone, though many of you are anyway- strictly because you allowed the puppet masters, none of whom fear your God, as the Popes of Rome did not either, to divide you and conquer you completely into a herd of fenced in credulous imbecilic sheep. Oh, and it looks like the recently unearthed metal codices from the 1st Century prove JC was gay too- better pray for the shepherd, as he must be burning in hell while in heaven, a bit too close, in eternity, to St. Peter- like has been said, that table at the Last Supper just looked a little to neatly and fancily set!

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I felt a brief moment of remorse last year when through research I found I was probably a heretic (and possibly a pagan), it seems having a direct relationship with the Creator hurt my standing with major religions. Thank you for the post I feel much better about my lowered status.

Hmm? I wonder if I'm an infidel. I should start reading up on that too.
Oahu & Bleue,

Just remember that Jesus was once a heretic, too. So, we are in good company.
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I think this is what they call "high gudgeon". Not sure I want to blame everything on religion, tho, can't we ascribe some of this villainy simply to some of the seven deadly sins -- say greed and sloth for starters?
Tom,

There's definitely plenty of blame to go around. Definitely greed, and there is envy, pride, wrath, gluttony, and my own personal favorite but which seems not to be considered a sin -- BLIND FAITH WILLFUL IGNORANCE.

There's just something really special about those who will insist that religion and a pharmacist can come between patient and doctor, while they also deny healthcare for all based on the misleading claim that it allows government to come between patient and doctor.

And, of course, the desire to allow polluters to poison us through our food and environment in order to increase their profits is also quite special.
My goodness, bitter much?

But then you got A WHOLE LOT to be bitter about. Cut taxes, cut services, bloat the rich and the military...great way to run a government.
The "Home of The Brave & Land of The Free"

Where "Brave" fat-cats fight for the fight of working people to be "Free" to starve while giving to the church of their choice.

Sorry, non-believers not acknowledged to exist here.


But we have Democracy!! You can vote for the party that'll fuck you over the least! (You hope....)

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Everybody keeps blaming the president and members of congress. They were elected by the votes of the American people. That is their desire. It is a government of and by the people. What it is for is another topic.
@ It is not eve close to a government "of and by the people" and you know it. That is merely the theory or propaganda stance handed to foreigners or die hard "believers" in some lunacy called "the American Way".

It is a government of the elite, for the purposes the elite decides upon and those who will be permitted to run for election as candidates for either major party are chosen by the same elite. When Big Money talks - real choice walks.

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My point was that if a government is elected by people who are not aware enough of what is good for them and who can bring this about and how it should be done, then you cannot have a democracy. It looks like it's not possible.
What, you think the Christianists and the Tea Baggies have goals in common? No way! The Tea Baggies are all about taxes and government spending! They said so. So you know it's true.
Well, that clarifies things. So those riders on the original Republican budget proposal defunding Planned Parenthood and all that talk about restricting abortions had just to do with cutting down spending. So if it's not Christians involved, perhaps it's Muslims pushing those points.
@Jan,
Well that 's certainly true. Sorry if I misunderstood you.

For those who suggest estate taxes (by any name) and raising the taxes that companies and corporations pay...... can we play make-believe here for one wee moment?

Let's pretend that YOU are the CEO of one of those companies. You're rich as hell plus 150% and you want to leave it all to your son. You DO NOT want the government to grab a huge chunk of it in "estate taxes". What would you do? No - I'm serious. What would you do given the above? Can you find no way to avoid those taxes? I sure can. I don't for one minute doubt that you can too.

Those extra taxes on corporations? What would YOU, as CEO of one of those companies, do about that? Again, in about 3 seconds flat, I can deal with that. Not only deal with it but MAKE MORE PROFIT while I do so! Yep. In this too, so can you. And there is f-all that the government could do about it. Nothing. But the government wouldn't care to either. Because the government doesn't give a hoot about where the tax money comes from - it just wants the money. This is made to order for the government. They get the money and the companies get the blame for raising prices. Politicians LOVE it when they can grab more of the citizens' cash in taxes while letting somebody else be the goat.

Oh. By the way. Raising the taxes on corporate profit has been tried. Did it work before? Then why do you think it will work now? EVERY DAMN DOLLAR that the government grabs from corporations comes back to those same corporations, usually with a few sisters and brothers attached, from the citizens, in the end.
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So you claim there is absolutely no way the government can tax the rich and the corporations. I find that an interesting theory.
There is a large element of truth here. The sarcasm is just a bonus. Evangelicals have whored-out Christianity in more ways than can be counted. Google Biblical Capitalism, for example. Or Tony Perkin's FRC and their anti-union 'theology." The Reformation was about ridding religion of whores -- now it's far too much about seeing who can be the biggest one. Welcome to the 1400's.
Addressing Sky's comment, I don't know how it works in Canada, but in this country only plutocrats and their Tea Party stooges are against estate taxes, for the obvious reason that not having estate taxes benefits no one but the very wealthy, and the very wealthy already get plenty of breaks. Also, it's not so much that we need to raise corporate taxes as end corporate welfare and make them pay the taxes they already dodge. For instance, GE, the biggest corporation on the planet, paid no federal tax last year. That is an obscenity. Many other corporations, even some that are already massively profitable, receive subsidies on the taxpayer's dime, and that too is unacceptable.
I love good sarcasm in the morning and this is dead on. The welfare states will soon be feeling the sting of their own stupidity (or mental illness).

(or religious deviance). We must not lump all Christians together with the deviant ones just as we must not lump all Muslims with terrorists or all Jews with Zionists or all atheists with nihilists and anarchists.
@Jan,
Of course they can be taxed. Just as long as you realize that they are going to pass on those taxes to their customers - us, the citizens. Personally, I'd rather the government just taxed us directly. That would at least eliminate the "bit extra" the corporations tack on when raising their prices to re-coup those tax dollars.

For the same reason, no government employee ought to pay income tax. Just pay them what they'd have after taxes to start with. If they tax us to pay them, and they do, guess who is really paying those taxes? This amounts to nothing more than a 'hidden' tax on the taxpayers.

@nana,
Leaving aside your name calling and rudeness, I'll wholeheartedly agree that, if corporations are going to be taxed, then the loopholes and exemptions ought to be ended. So also should "corporate welfare" subsidies. I'd be interested to hear how you'd manage to do that. Assuming, of course, that you have a way that won't re-bound on the citizen taxpayer/customers who purchase the goods and services of those corporations.
Stating "what is wrong" is the easy part. Coming up with a viable way of correcting it is a horse of another colour.

Another point you might ponder: If the government actually managed to get its hands on that tax money, what assurances can you give the public that the politicians won't just piss it up against the wall like they do with so much of our tax money already? How will that benefit the people? Will OUR taxes go down? Fat chance!!

So if it doesn't benefit us, what difference does it make to us whether corporations have it or politicians have it? (Not that they aren't really the same bunch these days anyway)

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I didn't call you names, Sky, was merely pointing out who the usual anti-estate tax suspects in this country are. I expect to hear such diatribes from propagandists at the Cato Institute, not from rational people.

You say 'Stating "what is wrong" is the easy part. Coming up with a viable way of correcting it is a horse of another colour.' To which I reply: Nonsense! We need to end the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy and we need to correct a system which has, in effect, allowed the moneyed classes in this country to shift the tax burden on to the working and middle classes. As Warren Buffet points out, a code which taxes his receptionist at a higher rate than he is taxed is, to put it kindly, ludicrous. None of this is rocket science, and to state, as you seem to be doing, that there's nothing to be done is a giant cop-out. And too, arguing that we shouldn't bother collecting taxes on corporations because some of the money thus raised could be wasted is no kind of argument at all. It benefits us to have a balanced budget, or as near to one as we can get, and 'til we begin to enforce the tax laws as they exist, and to reform them where necessary, we'll never come close.
Myriad,

Always glad when you stop by. Bitter? Moi? Why on god’s green earth would you think THAT?

Okay, okay, …I admit that sheer stupidity does irritate me sometimes. Especially when I end up having to suffer for someone else’s stupidity, …and when that same stupidity keeps reoccurring and …

Well, you’re right …


Sky,



Well, that’s the only game in town and nobody wants to risk changing it, except the the tea baggers, … so …I guess worse is really all we can expect at this point ...
Jan,

“What it is for is another topic.”

Your point is well taken. And until enough progressives decide to risk a few losses to change things, nothing will change except to get worse. A win for the party is not a win if the party turns its back on its principles, the reasons one votes for it in the first place.
Susan,

Heh, yeah, if THEY said so, then WE must believe them. What was I thinking???


Padraig,

Thanks for dropping by. Yeah, leave it to Tom to come up something like “high gudgeon”. I had heard it before but only once and didn’t remember what it was.

Oxford Dictionary describes gudgeon as 'one that will bite at any bait or swallow anything: a credulous, gullible person'.

Easy to see how it applies here, eh?
Paul,

Yep, you nailed it; the hypocrisy is just overwhelming. I ran across a recent report

U.S. Religious Knowledge Survey

about a QUESTIONNAIRE that indicated that atheists and agnostics know more about religion in general than those who adhere to a particular religion. The report said, “Atheists and agnostics, Jews and Mormons perform better than other groups on the survey even after controlling for differing levels of education.”


Kind of ironic.
Nana makes the point in responding to Sky that this country is, at this juncture, in direct opposition to a very basic principle: the most good for the most people. Instead, we are doing the exact opposite; the most harm to the most people and the most good to the fewest.


xenonlit xl,

Thanks for stopping by. I’m glad the sarcasm was appreciated. As Paul mentioned above; “There is a large element of truth here. The sarcasm is just a bonus.

We can’t lump all believers together, it’s true. But societies around the world that offer undue respect to these religions are as much part of the problem as the extremists that exist within them.

I’ve mentioned it elsewhere but it seems relevant here, as well. The U.N. passed a resolution that many are well aware of that is an “Anti-defamation of Religion” resolution. That resolution specifically called for protecting religion from criticism. WTF?

A new resolution has been proposed calling for religious tolerance, but it does not specifically denounce the concept of anti-blasphemy laws. Anti-blasphemy laws??? HOLY guano, Batman!

It is absurd that such a resolution would have ever even existed, and the fact that it does clearly reveals the need for constant vigilance, or perhaps even hyper-vigilance where religion is concerned. Don’t turn your back because religion's pride and deviousness never sleeps.
I saw an interesting documentary yesterday. It's called "The One Percent," and it is about the richest one percent of families in America. Interestingly, it was produced by the grandson of the founder of Johnson & Johnson. If you're interested, you can see it on "instant view" on Netflix.

What was interesting to me is the absolute overt hatred that some of the wealthiest people have for taxes of any kind. They live in a society that has enabled them to acquire fortunes larger than most kings, but they cannot stand the idea of giving something back. Some of them were so upset by the idea that they were almost speechless. Several of them suggested that any increase in taxes on the rich would lead to the downfall of the country.

And by the way, only one of the people interviewed was in the "godly capitalism" camp. Most of the rest of them appeared to suffer from garden-variety greed.
Hi, mish,

Very glad you stopped by. I will be VERY interested in seeing that documentary, so thanks for making me aware.

It is amazing how willfully blind that ‘one percent’ is to the historical and undeniable FACT that the best times in this country’s history have been during the highest taxation on that 1 to 2 percent. The idea that taxing them would create ANY problems at all is so clearly untrue. Yet, they are still able to peddle their lies about lower taxes on them create more jobs. Clearly that is not the case.

As for the godly capitalist idea, what I actually have a problem with is the large swath of self-righteous, Christian godlies who are NOT among that 1 to 2 percent but who continue to support that 1 to 2 percent because that 1 to 2 percent is so easily able to exploit religion.

Do you suppose that problem will ever go away? Will those religious adherents who are so blind-faith-willfully-ignorant ever wise up?
@nana,

Let's look at your reply. You wrote.....

"""You say 'Stating "what is wrong" is the easy part. Coming up with a viable way of correcting it is a horse of another colour.' To which I reply: Nonsense! We need to end the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy and we need to correct a system which has, in effect, allowed the moneyed classes in this country to shift the tax burden on to the working and middle classes. As Warren Buffet points out, a code which taxes his receptionist at a higher rate than he is taxed is, to put it kindly, ludicrous. None of this is rocket science, and to state, as you seem to be doing, that there's nothing to be done is a giant cop-out. And too, arguing that we shouldn't bother collecting taxes on corporations because some of the money thus raised could be wasted is no kind of argument at all. It benefits us to have a balanced budget, or as near to one as we can get, and 'til we begin to enforce the tax laws as they exist, and to reform them where necessary, we'll never come close."""

1- Apparently you consider it "nonsense" to come up with a viable way, means, method, of correcting the problems.

2- You say...... """We need to end the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy and we need to correct a system which has, in effect, allowed the moneyed classes in this country to shift the tax burden on to the working and middle classes."""......
Of course that is necessary. But it also isn't anything new. Many have expressed the same sentiment here on OS.
BUT - You haven't said just HOW "cut[ting] those tax cuts" can actually be done.

3- You go on to say...... """None of this is rocket science, and to state, as you seem to be doing, that there's nothing to be done is a giant cop-out.""".......
So by asking you the question, "How can this actually be done?", I'm somehow "stating that there's nothing to be done"? Bullshit.

Why don't you just tell us exactly HOW you'd get this done, instead of raising a "straw man argument" (where you claim I've said something, or implied something, that I've nowhere said or implied) and expecting me to try to "answer" your inaccurate claim of what I'm supposed to have said, or implied. I'll happily answer for anything I have actually said. I WILL NOT even try to answer for your completely inaccurate misrepresentation of what I said.

4- And you added......"""And too, arguing that we shouldn't bother collecting taxes on corporations because some of the money thus raised could be wasted is no kind of argument at all."""...... Firstly, "we" don't collect taxes on corporations. "We" never have done so. The government does. You have not been slow to recognize that the corporations have the government in their pocket - right in bed with them might be a better description.
Since "we" don't collect those taxes - and in fact "we" never even see them, nor do "we" ever know what the government does with them, - sorry; would do with them - IF they DID collect them, how can you be so certain that "we" would see any benefit from this at all?
You DO NOT know what benefit "we" would get since, even in the days of higher taxes, "we" sure didn't reap any great heap of "benefits", that I'm aware of. Please feel free to fill me in if "we" reaped some pile of benefits that I missed.

5- And lastly........."""It benefits us to have a balanced budget, or as near to one as we can get, and 'til we begin to enforce the tax laws as they exist, and to reform them where necessary, we'll never come close.""".........
I agree whole heartedly. BUT..... one more time..... HOW do "we" do this? I'm a simple soul, just give it to me in "Step 1, step 2, step 3 form please.

I have NO argument with you at all about the things you have very capably shown "need to be done". I just do not know - cannot even guess at - HOW "we" can do this by means of the present corrupt system. Do you expect that our legislators, who're in the pockets of corporations, will actually pass and enforce laws to this effect? Laws that have no built-in loopholes, such as present laws do, that let those corporations avoid taxes? Sheesh man, talk about setting the fox to guard the chickens!!

Soooooo.... if "we" cannot trust our political representatives to do this job, and it is obvious that "we" can't, how in hell can "we" get it done?
Please, don't even bother to rant any more at me about WHAT "we" need to do". None of us are stupid. We know as well as you do "WHAT " needs doing. What we need an answer to is "HOW".

Until we have an answer to that question, all of our erudite and "knowledgeable" blather about "what needs to be done" is just chin music. Flapping our jaws. Whistling in the wind. Noise! Sound and fury; signifying nothing.(W.S.)

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Since the extremely wealthy seem to have tied the country into knots to depriving itself of the basic monetary sustenance necessary for survival maintenance, not to speak of any sort of decent life for the bulk of the citizenry, redemption methods boil down to waiting until the pain becomes intolerable and the primitive medicines of open chaotic violence takes over to remove the financial cancer. Surgery is always a frightful business and the outcome is not always predictable but when extreme methods are the only recourse one must accede to their necessity.
Skypixie says we're "Whistling in the wind. Noise! Sound and fury; signifying nothing."

Pretty much. This is a blog post, not the emperor's privy council.

Listen, Sky, I wasn't raising a a strawman argument, nor was I ranting. I addressed a couple of the points you made which seemed, frankly, kinda silly. I don't claim to have all the answers as to how to fix things, but I do know your remarks about taxation don't make much sense.
@Jan,
You've got it - and you've had it all along. It most certainly IS going to collapse. It is in the initial phase of doing so right now. Clearly you have read enough history to be able to extrapolate from it the signs to look for in times like these.

I have no idea what will follow when it hits bottom. We might just keep on muddling along or it could go extremes and we'll see anarchy until some "kingdoms" get established. Or some other country might come in and take over. The possibilities are endless. Heck it is even possible that we'd create the socialist paradise we keep hearing so much about.

I strongly suspect, however, that whatever, whenever, it goes crunch, we'll be unprepared for it. I often wondered what the citizens of Rome thought as their empire crumbled. Now I think I might know. They denied, denied,denied. The blathered away at "what we should do is" speculations but did not get off their asses and actually try to determine HOW they should do anything. They "KNEW" that their mighty empire couldn't "really" collapse. So they enjoyed their lively debates about "what" to do and they considered those who even asked "how" to be spoilsports who were interrupting great rants about "what". The forum must have been lively as hell whenever their senate met.


@nana,
Of what value to us are rants about "what should be done" if they don't include a means of doing it?

Taxes 101:
-You are a CEO
-Your company sells its products for $1.00
-The public buys those products for $1.00
-The company makes a gross profit of $0.50
-The government decides to tax your company 80% of that profit
-80% of $0.50 = $0.40
-Your after-taxes net profit is $0.10
-This does not please your shareholders. They were getting a dividend based on a net profit of $0.50 before and a dividend based on a net profit of only $0.10 reduces their income by 80%
-They will fire you as CEO for this miserable dividend
-You opt to raise the price of the company's products to $1.40
-The public must now buy at $1.40
-Your company now makes a gross profit of $0.90
-The government taxes are $0.40
-Your after taxes net profit is $0.50
-You are back to earning the same profit as before
-You can pay the same dividends to the share holders as before
-Shareholders are happy (They give you a fat bonus?)
-Government is happy - it got the money it wanted
-The customer/citizens who now have to pay $0.40 more for those products?
-Who cares about the citizens? Nobody. That's who.

nana, what happens in real life is vastly more complex than this simple example but in the end this is how it works out. The prices of that company's products go up to cover the extra taxes it can't avoid paying. In fact, since they have to raise the prices anyway, they add on a "little something" extra for themselves at the same time. This applies across the board to ALL companies. When this happens their positions, relative to each other, are unchanged - they've ALL gotta pay the higher taxes. There is no loss of competitive 'edge' by any one company - nothing to induce any company to "eat" the tax increase; therefore they pass it on to the consumer, just as their competition will.

SO WHO IS "REALLY" PAYING THOSE EXTRA TAXES?!!!!
The consumer, that's who.
Greetings. I am an atheist. Another reason I don't like religion is that it is used to divide people and fool them. Jews playing Muslims playing Christians playing Jews. Its all stupid bullshit and it bothers me a great deal.

I am only interested in class and economics and power.


Anyway, my Marxist pals in Bolivia found some secret books from the Boys from Brazil. Mengele failed, but my comrades used his books to revive me. The problem is, I have no hands. I need to get to Cuba to find them (CIA sent them to Castro). As such, I am stuck typing with my nose.

Ergo, I apologize in advance for any typing errors.
As a Muslim, it upsets me to see the US gvt tell me it is secular and neutral and doesn't want to convert muslims, only to see it being run by neo-crusaders on the domestic front. I think America lies to Muslims. America really does want to convert us and take our resources.