MARCH 16, 2012 8:39PM

A Pretender in Idaho's Senate

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It’s no wonder our governmental representation is so deficient when one considers the kind of response I got today from my state senator here in Idaho.  The piont I hope to make here is the senator's apparent inability to grasp the point of my initial missive.  You’ll find the entire email exchange – no edits or omissions – below:

The original message I sent: 

Dear Senator Goedde:
 
It is important that we all take animal cruelty seriously. People who deliberately hurt animals often turn that violence against the community, with family members such as children or spouses especially at risk.
 
No one should deliberately torture an animal and get away with just a slap on the wrist. I urge you to pass H.B. 650, legislation pending before you to increase the penalties for animal cruelty in our state to a felony upon a third offense.
 
Please consider these points:
 
- Our current animal cruelty law is only a misdemeanor, no matter how severely the animal was tortured or how it was killed.  - We are one of only three states that have failed to make deliberate animal cruelty a felony offense. We should recognize how preventing animal abuse can prevent other forms of violence.  - In addition, organized cockfighting is only a misdemeanor. All animal fighting is wrong and should be a felony
offense in certain circumstances. Under the current provisions, the penalties do not act as a form of deterrence, but are absorbed by animal fighters as a cost of doing business.
 
Please support passage of House Bill 650 when it comes before the Senate--and thank you for passing S.B. 1303. Both bills will prevent future suffering.
 
"The greatness of any society, any nation, and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated. "  In order to truly be "pro-life", one must also consider valuable the lives of all sentient beings.
 
Thank you for your consideration and hopefully your support.
 
Sincerely,

 
Rick Lucke


The entire response I received from my senator: 

Rick - The Senate already passed an animal cruelty bill and sent it to the House. Do you know the differences between the two? John Goedde


My response to that, uh …, response (?). 

Dear Senator Goedde: 

Only one conclusion can be logically drawn from your response to me in the matter of H.B. 650. Consider the following quotation from my original message: 

Please support passage of House Bill 650 when it comes before the Senate--and thank you for passing S.B. 1303. Both bills will prevent future suffering. 

Now, consider the entirety of your response to me: 

Rick - The Senate already passed an animal cruelty bill and sent it to the House. Do you know the differences between the two? John Goedde 

Because H.B. 650 is currently under review in the Senate, and it is a stronger bill than S.B. 1303, my purpose in writing you was to urge you to support the stronger of the two bills. Perhaps the question that must be asked is, “John, the Senate will be considering H.B. 650. Do you know the difference between H.B. 650 and S.B. 1303?” 

Of course, your response to me insists upon a number of other questions regarding your qualifications for Senatorial representation of the citizenry that elects you. 

The disrespect shown me in this response disallows you any reference such as “Honorable”, as in the heading above. More importantly, this response also indicates that you either did not read the missive I sent, indicating an evasion of responsible representation, or that you have difficulty processing information accurately, which in reasonable terms should disqualify you for the position to which you now pretend. Since processing information accurately is clearly an important aspect of any position of authority involved in making important policy decisions, your response suggests your qualification to even do the job for which you have been elected is severely deficient. 

To reiterate my original intent; please support H.B. 650. Because H.B. 650 clarifies a number of possible uncertainties that may create difficulty in enforcement of the law, it is a worthy consideration. 

Sincerely, 

Rick Lucke

 


UPDATED: the latest exchange follows;

 

Rick - When I get an email which is a form request (I received the exact same thing from several people), I always wonder if the sender knows anything about the issue he or she supports. I meant no disrespect by asking the questions but it is obvious, by your response, that you can't tell me. As you know, I voted to support the Senate bill and probably will support its counterpart from the House but I have not read the bill at this point. The bill is in a committee where I am not a member; if and when it gets to the floor for consideration, I will decide how to vote. There is no way a legislator can read the hundreds of bills that are printed but not before them for consideration. John Goedde


John,

In your initial response, you could have simply stated what you have stated here, which is that you haven’t read the bill but will probably support it.  Had you done that, none of this back-n-forth would be necessary and you might have even garnered a little extra support.  Your failure to do so exhibits compromised judgment on your part that deserves concern for any future decisions for which you may be responsible.

I read the text of both bills on the Idaho government Web site;  any difference between what I saw there and what may be currently “in committee” does not render me deserving of your disrespect, which you continue even in this latest missive.  First, you accuse me of having no knowledge, then suggest I did not answer your question, which I did, albeit in general terms, which is sufficient for the intention of this discussion had you any knowledge of that of which you infer my ignorance, then you amazingly admit that YOU have not read H.R. 650.

Do you seriously expect I would accept this latest response as a form of respect when all you have expressed is annoyance with participation by your constituents?  Really?  You obviously wouldn’t know whether I could tell you the differences, anyway, since you haven’t read the bill.  And given that both bills are relatively short, you might have at least scanned the online version before making such an ill-informed and defensive response.

Your feeble defensiveness only further discredits you as a worthy representative.  You appear cowardly, insolently insecure, and incapable of admitting a mistake, which is something that all too often occurs in American politicians and which leads us into downfalls like those we currently face as a nation. This exchange indicates your concern for neither my vote, nor for representing your constituents who attempt to participate in the political process. This exchange with you is the most worrisome direct interaction I've ever encountered with a governmental representative on any level.

Rick Lucke

 

 

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All I can do is shake my head in befuddlement. How do people get to this point?
Because the constituency votes for whom they'd like to have a beer with.

Good luck getting that bill passed. It is needed.
phyllis, thanks for reading. As the "good" senator indicates, one version has passed, but there are 2 versions being considered. H.R. 650 is more precise and and a little more inclusive in definitions of offenses. I continue to marvel at the inability of so many people to process information accurately, especially people in positions of such societal importance.
thanks, jane. I hope to hear back from him again, although I doubt I will.
This is what happens when you write a letter and the "aides" can't find a suitable form letter for response. I sent one to both US Senators a couple of years back to support the Levin bill going after the tax evaders who stashed money in Swiss accounts and getting the tax payments. I can no longer remember the bill well.

Anyway, whatever Sen. Crapo flunky was working that day sent me the canned "I too want to see people pay lower taxes and am working to insure it." Though it made me sad that someone so stupid worked for my US Senator, I made a lot of people laugh showing it around because Crapo was inadvertently saying I support tax cheating.

They don't read their own junk mail, aides do. It looks like your State Senator has a flunky who isn't just stupid, they're rude. Who knows, it's Idaho, he may be hiring family members.

Yeah I saw the lighter weight bill passed house and senate, the ag industry is really holding down the better bills. I was actually surprised that lighter versions made it through. Have you considered calling and asking for an apology for the discourtesy? That might get attention, I doubt any of the elected have a clue as to what's in their mail. Be sure to post the next response, this will really stretch the brain power of the people who have to respond.

I miss Minnesota politics, the aides were intelligent and fully interactive. Sigh.
Bleue,

My wife suggested the same about an aide answering and I suspect you're both right. My problem is that I don't know which is worse; that he has someone like this answering for him, or if he is actually answering in this manner. I've never received a disrespectful AND stupid response from a representative.
Rick,
He sounds like a typical pol. Nice slap-back.
Next e-mail-- Dear Senator Potato Head...
I'd suggest the road-kill skunk in a box, but given the topic it wouldn't work as well.
I'm guessing this guy is a Republican. Am I right, or am I right?
reading skills are no longer a prerequisite for elected office. (if they ever were....)
Paul,

I suppose this exchange with him (or his aide/s) merely indicates what we all suspect our reps truly feel towards us. But I wonder if this isn't indicative of an evolving openness of contempt by reps towards the electorate.

onl,

Yep, Republican. Not exactly a risky bet on your part, eh?


dolores,

Even on a conversational level, I even encounter this kind of inability to process information accurately in my daily encounters with my conservative coworkers. This senator doesn't even seem to recognize when he is digging himself in deeper.
To tell you the truth, I'm a little surprised he answered your second letter. It's more than my own Congressman did when I wrote to him about his support for the GWB administration's proud use of waterboarding. After his unacceptable, practically form letter response, I wrote back, but not surprisingly heard nothing more.
Well, the notion of govt "for the people" has been taking a lot of hits of late. It appears more and more the case that govt "of people and by people" is sadly on the wane, too -- so many legislators elected lately don't seem subhuman. Which begs the question, what does that make those that elect them? But lest any troll show up to say "See, I told you so about govt", it ain't just govt.

At my wife's insistence, and against my better judgment, I sent my book to Oprah Winfrey and got back a one sentence form letter response from some flunky who "thanked" me for my idea for an Oprah Show.

I also sent my book to the small-publisher division of B&N for review and got back a four-page perfunctory check-off list and was advised the "fiction was a difficult market to break into". Duh, but did you notice, dear "reviewer" that my book had a bibliography? Don't know about you, dear "reviewer", but I seldom find a bibliography in a work of fiction.
Rick- you know what this really means: he thought you were a tree hugger/PETA type, hell, maybe you are. The right wing authoritarian always knee-jerks when, falsely or not, they feel an enemy in their "sights." I know there are many good people in Idaho, you're there, for instance ... but you won't find me there, ever again ... not after last time. In fact, I've given up on the South, Midwest, Southwest and, basically, any Red State ... simply too much hate, not just for humans with knowledge, but also for animals and the Planet in general.

Four more years of a Hawaiian prez, more Central Americans taking back what was theirs, a brown majority again, finally, and if I'm still alive I may go back then.

Trust me when I say other than the scenery I don't think I'm missing a damn thing, again, other than coded, yet very thinly veiled, hate.

Auwe (Alas)
Steve,
I have say I shared your surprise when I received his initial one-line response; at first, I thought it was a good thing, until I read what had been sent to me. But reading through all that was written, the guy comes off as extremely un-senatorial. After all, historically speaking, senators are supposed to be solid debaters and good at arguing a point, are they not? The obtuseness of this man’s presentation, and his self-assuredness in presenting it, shocked me. I felt compelled to put it out for more to see.


Tom,
You are ABSOLUTELY correct that “…it ain’t just govt.” I recently concluded a long-term …, uh …, discussion with a very conservative coworker and his inability to hear/read what I said and draw reasonable conclusions and arguments from it was so astounding that I started just focusing solely on his inability and pointing it out to him. I would say one thing, and he would present an argument against something I had not said (typical straw man/red herring approach). What I have come to a fuller awareness of is the sad fact that conservatives, in general, are simply incapable of other, and that is perhaps precisely WHY they are conservatives – the conservative pols appeal to the simple-minded who cannot grasp the more complex connections necessary to understand the world around them. It seems as though language, as a tool, is fast becoming useless.


Oahu,
There can be no denying that this guy was operating on a “knee-jerk” level (or perhaps just “jerk” level), and he as much as admits it, although he seemingly presents that as some sort of defense for his actions rather than apologizing. As for red state/blue state, I’ve lived in Idaho for 12 years now and have said too many times to count that the backwardness here is stifling and I regret moving here on many levels. The countryside here is beautiful, I live next to a lake, and the mountain terrain is something I cherish. But I share your perspective about a large swath of the nation being something to be avoided. Whether Obama is reelected or not, I don’t think it will matter much where that’s concerned – it won’t change. And one big reason that it won’t change is precisely the point I’m making with this post – so many people are so inept mentally as to be unable to reason their way to logical conclusions regarding the complexities of the problems we face.