MARCH 29, 2012 4:50AM

Pope Benedict: “Marxism no longer corresponds to reality”

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The pope says, “...Marxist ideology in the way it was conceived no longer corresponds to reality.”



HOLY CRAP! First and foremost, let's talk about “REALITY”! Then let's consider whether this idiot even knows the meaning of what he's saying. Does he even know the difference between Marxism and a dictatorial government? He should know given his personal experience as a dictatorial ruler. Neither Marxism nor a dictatorship is necessarily inclusive of the other. This is exactly the kind of ignorance that makes religion so dangerous and destructive. Can I get an “A-men” to that? And another obvious question is, “what's changed?” If it “no longer corresponds”, that means it once did correspond, so something has changed. What might that be? The stupidity exhibited by this man and those who follow him in his dictates, simply overwhelms.

I mean, honestly, look at this man:


And HE corresponds to reality? REALLY?! REALLY?!!

This guy simply offends reality. He represents the greatest denial of reality in human history.  Why is the opinion of the leader of an institution based on the unfounded belief in an imaginary being given credibility regarding, of all things, “REALITY”?  His hypocrisy knows no bounds. He “granted” Fidel Castro 30 minutes but would not “grant” the one-minute audience requested by the group of dissidents known as Damas de Blanco (Ladies in White) lobbying for release of all political prisoners. Somehow, it's not surprising that the premiere Catholic representative would ignore dissidents seeking release of political prisoners, depriving them of even one minute of his Holy time. After all, The Church was built on political oppression.

Isn't it about time humanity faced the reality that is religion?



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Palpatine/Darth Sidious seemed appropriate, somehow.
Thanks for this.
I'm not sure why anyone would imagine this guy capable of nuanced economic/political distinctions.

Baltimore: The Social Democratic Movement was Marxist in origin, but distanced itself from the label "Marxism" after the rise of Soviet Communism, the Cold War and the human rights abuses rampant in the Iron Curtain.

The Social Democrats came to power in numerous Western European nations and influenced democracies and democratic legislative proposals throughout the world, working closely with the labor movement.

Whats ironic, for me at least, is that Marx's influence was more pronounced and long-lasting, in terms of real gains, in the Democratic West, than in the Eastern Block.

It seems that the Social Democratic State, where Labor was able to extract concessions from the Capitalist Establishment, has been the most successful.

That said, one must admit that, perhaps, the Capitalist Establishment only granted said concessions during the Cold War as a means of pacifying labor and the left, so as to prevent them from wholly being influenced by and sympathetic to the Eastern Block. With the Cold War over, we are seeing many of the the New Deal and Great Society concessions being retracted, now that the Soviet geopolitical menace and Marxist intellectual movement wane.

We shall see if the latter intellectual movement revives.
Right on!
Five Star rating!!

Your statement..........
""the more power you give someone, the more abuse you're signing up for."" absolutely correct. With any and every kind of "government" imaginable, not just Marxist ones.

Our own, for instance.....
His politics are obvious, as you say, but not to everyone, it seems. The irony of his speaking on what does and does not “correspond to reality” just seemed comical to me.

I agree with you for the most part. But religion is, itself, part of the problem. Much of what you describe as the characteristics of “the peons” is a direct result of indoctrination into these beliefs that offer no real value. It provides a powerful tool for the division and oppression to which you refer. One encouraging point, though, in what you've stated, is that it is becoming more and more obvious that even people who relate themselves to a particular religion, don't REALLY believe all that silliness.

It is pretty farcical, isn't it? The pope determining what corresponds to reality? I just had to shake my head and laugh.

I'm sorry you have difficulty processing information accurately. Maybe I can help; the “dictatorship of the proletariat” you reference is a term that means just the opposite of what you apparently think it means. That phrase refers to a societal evolution in which the proletariat takes control away from the capitalist dictatorship of the bourgeoisie developing a socialistic societal structure, eventually leading to what Marx considered communism to be – a classless, stateless society. All of that points away from a militaristic dictatorial government (stateless society) and toward concern for human rights (classless society).

Nice try, but I doubt your intellectual explanation will be any more accurately processed by baltimore than the simple phrase that was so severely misunderstood. Let's hope that intellectual movement you reference DOES revive. My fear is that idiots like the pope and those who follow him will continue to have more influence than such a movement might have.

You make the point that escapes baltimore regarding oppression and government.
Hey! I DID get an AMEN! Praise be!
Interestingly enough, Marxism and the study of the same is undergoing a widespread revival, thanks to the global economic crisis and the pauperization of the middle class in the Western World.

Amazingly, the non-pauperization of the middle class was the #1 rebuttal used by Capitalists from the 1890s to the 1970s in their arguments against marxian economic analysis.

Globalization and the recession that began in 2006 (?) have caused people to have a renewed interest in marxian economics.

So, I don't know what Ratzinger means here.
I've said for years, whenever it's come up, that people have misunderstood and, therefore, prematurely dismissed Marx, but that is largely, as you point out, because of misinformation they've been led to believe, and probably also partly attributed to our propensity for myopic interpretations.

The pope is just reiterating that misinformation, probably because it serves whatever purpose he has in mind, which is not the betterment of humanity at large. Betterment of humanity diminishes the power of the church; that's always been true.