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JANUARY 1, 2009 12:46PM

Obama the Negro is a racist. Period. No magic about it.

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Obama campaigned hard on a race-bridging platform.

Oh, how we loved the story about his white grandparents and how Obama is the new, true face of Americana.

Pure, unadulterated bullshit.

Obama is a racist right up there with the likes of Trent Lott, Jesse Helms, Strom Thurmond, George Wallace, and David Duke.

You're waiting for proof. Hold on a second. The proof is in the pudding.

First, Katon Dawson is campaigning for the chairmanship of the Republican National Committee. However, he has resigned from an all white country club after that fact was made public. Why did he have to do that? What is wrong with associating with your race-common peers> We use that argument when we select juries.

We have black only organizations like the NAACP, Miss Black America, Mr. Black Olympia, and other black only events.

Barack Obama campaigned for the presidency of the United States while still a member of one of the most racist organizations in America--The Congressional Black Caucus.

How dare we say we are moving forward from our hurtful history of white-only water fountains when we elect a man who belongs to a race based organization.  If Bush belonged to the Congressional White Caucus, oh, wait, there is no such thing as a white caucus. That would be deemed racist.

The reopend conflict about the satire, "Barack the Magic Negro lives in DC," should not be a conflict at all. It should read, "Barack the Racist Negro supports the BCC."

Oh, the audacity of Barack to say he is a race uniter.

Please, no coments about blacks can't be racist.

My sister is the biggest racist I know, and she is black. And she is one of the biggest Obama fanatics, too.

Birds of a feather.

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Ya know,,, I have yet to see of hear the lyrics. Seemingly no one has the guts to print them in a news article talking about them.

Bullshit! Eat a Dove bar, take a trip to Florida, get over it!

And I'll be damned if one more news article is going to decry the injustice, the rascism, and attempt to make up my mind for me.

And there is a huge space available for sarcasm, parody, humour or dark humour.

I want to hear them!

Dean
This would be the first time I have heard that membership in the NAACP was limited to blacks only. Should I request a refund?
You are joking, right?

Are you equating a country club, a peculiar institution, as it were, a community/social setting in many counties and cities, often the ONLY one in its area, where business is conducted, old-boy networks thrive, where success is measured and acknowledged, and where Blacks and Jews and Hispanics and Asians were/are excluded, with Congressional Caucuses and the NAACP? Organizations established in the not-so-distant past when SOMEONE had to lobby for and recognize (otherwise invisible) Black Achievement?

Would you include the Sickle Cell Anemia Foundation in your Racist Org list?

From your picture you look old enough to know this. Make the case for how these orgs should evolve, perhaps, or even fade away (tho the number of Black Senators is...), but to equate them with Clubs where not only non-whites weren't allowed, they also had to work in menial jobs for shit pay wearing demeaning costumes and treated, even when elderly, skilled men, as...acch.

Does the BCC have a secret history of old using old hillbillies dressed like organ-grinder monkeys as waiters I should be hip to?

This is Irony, right?
The evidence you cite for Obama being like Wallace and Duke - that he belonged to the Congressional Black Caucus - would be extremely tenuous at best if you were only trying to paint Obama as a racist or bigot. But to say that it shows that he is like Wallace and Duke? To be politic, that's a distorted line of thought.

One reason that there is no White caucus is because almost every member of Congress is White; congress is an ipso facto White caucus. Additionally, organizations like the NAACP - which was founded by White people - have traditionally had the goal of bringing parity to the races and ending inequality. Unfortunately, the labeling organizations as "White" organizations has been hijacked by White Supremecists like the KKK. Having a White-only country club is not about sharing time with ones peers, it's a part of the legacy of White Supremecy and racism embedded in the country's past. If you're upset that it's difficult to have white-only organizations, don't blame Black people, blame White Supremecists that entrenched the connection between White-only and racism/White Supremecism into the psyche of every American.

But it's not as if people of European descent are lacking in ethnic-based organizations and celebrations. Italians have the Sons of Italy and feast days that shut down whole sections of cities, the Irish have the Ancient Order of Hibernians and St Patrick's day, in Boston Bastille Day shuts down part of the Back Bay near the French Library, etc. These ethnicities all have associated cultural centers and put on many events for White people to associate with ethnicity-common peers, and this is true for the Polish, Germans, Portugese, Spanish, Russians, Sweedes, and you name it. Just because there isn't a NAAWP doesn't mean that White people don't have healthy outlets to associate with people of the same background.

I'm not saying you have to like Obama; I'm just saying that your argument isn't on solid ground here.
Cat..the NAACP was limited to blacks only. Should I request a refund?

It is for the advancement of COLORED people. Although, they allow dues paying members of other races. Sorta like white businesses would take black money but not allow them to sit at the counter. Yes, I know NAACP was founded by sizable number non-blacks.

Greg... Would you include the Sickle Cell Anemia Foundation in your Racist Org list?

No, I would not, but I would include the United Negro College Fund, which I have net met a person who went to college on a UNCF grant.

I am almost 52. I have seen/experienced racism within my black and white family. All racism is wrong. No excuse/justification can be made for it. My step-dad was blue-black and didn't make a lot of money, but he was not a racist.

Who does know the secrets of the BCC? I do know our president should not be a member of it.
Corey...I'm not saying you have to like Obama; I'm just saying that your argument isn't on solid ground here.

I stand behind my solid argument. I don't dislike Obama. But saying Obama is not a racist is like saying Bush is not an idiot.

I am just saying that we are all judged by our memberships.
Good points, Corey. It occurs to me that there might be Swahili and Ashanti and Gwari and Ewe and Kwali and Xhosa Fraternal Orders as well, if not for the loss of history/heritage caused by slavery. Like or not, slavery and overt, sanctioned racism lingers in profound ways.

Your (apparent) point, if this is a serious piece, that associations by race should be examined without any, er, prejudice, or blinkered liberal fuzziness, is, if so, poorly articulated here, I think.

Like the sentence above, all discussions of race must be framed, referenced, qualified. Slows the thinking and impedes the flow of slick or merely glib assertions, but that's a good thing, perhaps.
The only part of this post, ri, that made any sense is the comment, "Pure, unadulterated bullshit.

And then only if applied to the post.

You normally do much better than this. This truly is unadulterated bullshit.
Greg..."Like the sentence above, all discussions of race must be framed, referenced, qualified. "

I agree with this statement, but it never is when we talk about white associations.

Frank, actually I think this is one of my better offerings. I see no difference in a membership in a white-only country club and the Cong Black Caucus.
@ rijaxn: You say that we are judged by our memberships, I'm fine witht that, but you make no case as to why the CBC is just as bad as David Duke.

@ Greg: My only point was to adress the tired argument of "why can there be an NAACP (or Congresionaal Black Caucus, etc) but no NAAWP?" by pointing out a.) that labeling groups as "White"-based has been hijacked by White Supremecists and that's why you can't have "The White Business Leaders of Omaha" or something, no matter how earnest and benign the intent and b.) that White people have plenty of healthy, non-racist outlets to express and explore pride in their European heratige, which is in opposition to the repeated argument that White people can't have ethnic-based groups without being called racist.

All I'm saying is that the "there's no Congressional White Caucus/NAAWP" arguments are not legitimate reasons as to why Barcak Obama can't be a memeber of the CBC and it is certainly not an argument as to how he's as racist as George Wallace or Duke.
Corey..@ rijaxn: You say that we are judged by our memberships, I'm fine witht that, but you make no case as to why the CBC is just as bad as David Duke.


Because like Duke, the CBC is all about the betterment of "their own kind." Which mean their best efforts exclude benefiting most other deserving people.

Just imagine if Santa belonged to an Australian only club. How would all the other children of the world feel?

My only argument was that we can't just put white people in the "guilt by association" category.
rijaxn, almost every group is for the betterment of their own members. I'm for the betterment of my friends at OpenSalon. I'm for the betterment of the alumni of institutions which I've attended. Your bio seems to indicate that you are for the betterment of people in your community. The "betterment" argument tells me nothing as a reader and is completely useless.

You made the extraordinary claim that the CBC is on the same level as David Duke and George Wallace, now back it up. It is your job to provide the exposition of what exactly you mean by that and give the supporting facts and details that demonstrate this abhorrent behavior to which you object. It seems that you assume that all your readers think that the CBC is racist. This is not a mainstream view - where has this been established? Nowhere in the piece. You can't expect readers to accept that bizarre premise on a whim. You have not connected the dots for us.
Corey..It seems that you assume that all your readers think that the CBC is racist.

Not so. I see folks in the library who I know can't read. Hell, I owned a gay bar, I am not gay. I see broke folks in the bank all the time.

My point is that every person in a white only Country Club is not racist as most folks would assume.

Had a platoon Sgt who was a KKK member. But he treated all of us like shit.

Duke/Wallace were guilty by white only association. I merely qualified Barack a racist using same-race association criteria.

If it's good for the Caucasian, it's good for Barack.
rijaxn: If the CBC isn't racist, your whole argument about Barack and guilt by association just doesn't work.

Furthermore, it's not as if Barack hasn't had his fair share gulit-by-association moments. See: Reverend Wright and Bill Ayers.
orey..rijaxn: If the CBC isn't racist, your whole argument about Barack and guilt by association just doesn't work

The CBC is not an openly admitted racist. No black org would admit such a thing. But when you exclude someone based on race what does that make you?

Not saying it doesn't make it not so. How many gays do you know who don't say they are for fear of retribution? But they are gay just the same.

Some folks even think its impossible for blacks to be racist.

I see no difference in KKK and CBC, except one is supported by tax dollars.

My white Uncle Pete hated niggers including my black girlfriend; My black Uncle Matthew hated white motherfuckers including my white girlfriend.
"I see no difference in KKK and CBC". Yikes. Call me when the CBC starts lynching people, bombing churches and put burning crosses on people's front yards. Such an false equivalency is cringe-inducing.

And the fact that the CBC doesn't allow White members hardly demonstrates the group's alleged racist intent; that practice is rooted in a tradition in which Black people needed to band together in order to gain strength in combatting systematic and instutional racism that worked overtly to strip Black people from any legitimate power and voice that they had.

But, for the sake of argument, I'll say that not letting other races in to the CBC opens them up to questions as to whether their a racist group. Is that your only reason for calling the CNC racist? That's a weak position and is again tenuous support for your claim. And what reasonable person could make the leap from not allowing White congress people full membership to violent domestic terrorists whose history includes rape, murder, and torture of fellow citizens, including young children?

Sorry, rijaxn, but these are extreme viewpoints that you fail to support in your writing. It's like saying that because someone marches in the anual St Patrick's Day parade that they like David Duke. Or that because only Catholics can accept communion in a Catholic Church, the priest is no better than George Wallace.
This post and discussion are turning into a rollicking good talk.

I like this.

Okay, is there, would there be any time in which a white organization or a black organization is non racist?

I don't know. I DO know that there can be NO whites only organization. The PC Police would have that group served up on a plate. So, do we condone a blacks only organization?

AND, BIG QUESTION, HUGE QUESTION.

Our President-elect is of both white and black heritage. If he is a black man. Then by God he is a white man also.

So what organization that forbids whites or forbids blacks,,,, or favours either one MAY he be a part of.

If he goes to church, he can be a Boy Scout. Hmm Republican, Democrat. White Caucus, Black caucus, I see each as equal and racist.

But mostly I just have questions here. Lots of questions.

Dean
Corey..And the fact that the CBC doesn't allow White members hardly demonstrates the group's alleged racist intent; that practice is rooted in a tradition in which Black people needed to band together in order to gain strength in combatting systematic and instutional racism that worked overtly to strip Black people from any legitimate power and voice that they had.

Your historical argument is weak. The civil rights movement of the 1960s that gave blacks opportunity did everything but strengthen blacks as a group. "Systematic and institutional" racism are racial/militant/antiquauted terms that breed further contempt of and dependence upon the white man.

You call me when the CBC does anything to stop the black on black crime. The CBC's inability to address or unwillingness to do anything about that is comparable to lynchings, bombings, etc...

Blacks have killed more blacks than any white group. Africans sold more blacks into slavery than any other ethnic group. So, who is really more racist against blacks?

But, for the sake of argument, I'll say that not letting other races in to the CBC opens them up to questions as to whether their a racist group. Is that your only reason for calling the CNC racist?

BINGO. We agree. Same as white-only country clubs or the KKK not allowing blacks make them racist.
No doubt there are black racists but I think you're talking about apples and oranges here. Without race-based groups minorities would not be able to build a force to be reckoned with. Unfortunately blacks have done a poor job of supporting their own.
Coft..Without race-based groups minorities would not be able to build a force to be reckoned with.

Hmm, and whites should be not afforded this same right without being labeled racist? I fully support natural segregation.
well...interesting arguments all around...

I guess here is where I see the differences between the KKK/Duke/etc. and organizations such as NAACP & CBC

the first (& most other whites-only organizations) are rooted in a belief of white supremacy, hatred and exclusion
you may argue that this is not true of a whites-only country club - then, I ask, what other premise is there for excluding blacks - other than a belief in the inferiority of these people (i.e., racism)?

CBC, NAACP (and let's go ahead & include NOW & other feminist organizations) are NOT based in hatred and formed as a way for the powers that be to EXCLUDE others. Their goals are to ensure that the group that has traditionally been excluded from power/equal rights/etc. has full access to their rights.

They may meet some loose definition of "racism" that means making decisions or judgments solely based on race. But, it is unlikely that these organizations would exist if the groups hadn't been identified & singled out for exclusion by a history of systemic, institutionalized racism.

And, to equate them with David Duke and the KKK is not only a stretch, it ignores all of the other violent & hate-mongering that has been based in racism.

one final thought - One might argue that Obama is equally as white as he is black. That may be true from a biological standpoint, but it doesn't yet explain why he is the subject of constant death-threats & racially tinged jokes, etc.
rijaxn: you are really getting off topic now. Much of this not remotely relevant to your original post.

"Blacks have killed more blacks than any white group. Africans sold more blacks into slavery than any other ethnic group. So, who is really more racist against blacks?"

Huh? So what? Why do people keep bringing this up as if it is relavant? As if this is supposed to shift some of the blame and responsibility from Whites involved with the slave trade onto the people who were imprisoned, enslaved, tortured, and murdered?

Just because Africans were selling other Africans doesn't mean that the Europeans and Americans had to buy them, ship them across the ocean, and sell them. And Americans certainly didn't have to keep the children and subsequent progeny of the original Africans enslaved, or rape the slave women in order to produce more slave offspring. The fact that Africans sold Africans into slavery absolves absolutely no one in the participation of the enslavement, selling, terrorizing, genocide, and apartheid wrought upon African and African American people. And it transfers no responsibility on those brought here.

The English enslaved the Irish, ergo White people are more racist against White people. How is any of this relevant to Obama and the CBC?
It seems to me that you are using a nonstandard, simplistic definition of racism. The Wikipedia one, "Racism, by its simplest definition, is the belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race," is the one more people think of when they use the term.

The CBC does not exist to promote black superiority. It exists to promote equality. It is an acknowledgement that people who actually are black and who have likely faced discrimination in their own lives, by virtue of their personal experience, may have special insight into the problems that black people face. When racism is no longer a force in our society, I would guess that the CBC will no longer be needed.

There isn't a good reason for white people to have their own special group in Congress or at a country club.
Trying to be reasonable about this post is futile. Ri is either just breaking balls here...or has stumbled onto a half-baked idea that will never bake fully.

Anyone who does not see the oranges and apples aspect of this thesis has simply made an arbitrary decision not to see it.

Not sure of your motives here, Ri, but like I said earlier, you usually are a much better person than this. This is just not reasonable.
I totally forgot about the Mac Mini!
Ignore this comment and my last comment.

D'oh!
Erica..."There isn't a good reason for white people to have their own special group in Congress or at a country club."

Wow! Now if someone said, " There isn't a good reason for black people to learn to read to to vote."

Oh, wait, they used to say that. They were wrong, to.

It doesn't do blacks any good to have whites enable the black victim mentality.

lp...one final thought - One might argue that Obama is equally as white as he is black. That may be true from a biological standpoint, but it doesn't yet explain why he is the subject of constant death-threats & racially tinged jokes, etc."

May I share with you that black youth in Chicago receive more death threats than Obama... from blacks.

Aaron..And if you don't think so, let's take a nice little drive down Cicero ave. in Chicago. Then you might understand what it means to be racist...
I suggest you take that same drive anywhere on the south or west side of Chicago.

I knew this post would generate the "only whites can be racist" response. Silly me.
I once had a hospital room mate with whom I became quite close over a few weeks' time. . She and her husband told me stories of how racist blacks are and were keeping it a secret that I was white or else her grandmother would have a fit. The three of us had some interesting conversations
I'm curious. Do you feel the BCC should be disbanded? Do you think it should be replaced with something else or just not exist?
I know plent of people who benefit from the UNCF and I am a proud supporter. I think what a lot of people fail to realize (and it had been mentioned here) is these organizations are designed to help people who have had an economic disadvantage get ahead. Maybe you forgot that it was illegal to educate Blacks and even now, many whites feel like Blacks should not have the right to an education.

There are places in this United States of America where it is not safe for me(a Black woman) to go, live, eat, shop, attend school, etc. If the damn media (who buy the way, DOES NOT LOOK LIKE ME) would stop putting images of these skinny, anorexic white girls on magazines and programs calling them beautiful, there would not be a need for Miss Black America. Little Black girls and boys need to see people who look like them portrayed in a positive manner. I know when I look at many of the television shows, there are not many people who reflect me. If there is a Black woman on the show, she is only in a guest spot. Also, if there is a Black woman who is deemed beautiful by white America, she is very light and damn near white! I want to see women like Angela Bassett, Regina King, and Jill Scott on the magazines representing beauty. It is amazing how full lips became popular when Angelina Jolie was the it woman. Or, full rear ends became a wonderful thing as a result of J-Lo. Newsflash, Black women have had these features for years, but the white media thought it was a bad thing. I don't give a rat's ass who the white media says is beautiful, it has not bearing on me. And guess what, I don't know who half them skinny chicks are just like many of them don't know the women I named.

BTW: I don't know who said America was moving forward. Every day I know that to be far from the truth. If anything, America is going backwards.

Oh, the audacity of Barack to say he is a race uniter.

Oh, I didn't know you knew Mr. Obama (hence the first name basis, the blatant disrespect) personally, anyway, he is a race uniter. How do you think he got elected?
Erica...I'm curious. Do you feel the BCC should be disbanded? Do you think it should be replaced with something else or just not exist?

I am fine with the Black Caucus. I am also fine with white only organizations. The goose/gander syndrome.

Olga...
Oh, I didn't know you knew Mr. Obama (hence the first name basis, the blatant disrespect) personally, anyway, he is a race uniter. How do you think he got elected?

I don't know PEBO (President Elect Barack Obama) personally, as I never knew George personally. In America, we do not have to worship our elected leaders. He was elected fairly and as a direct result of America's disgust with Bush and the Republican's stupidity in choosing a Bush-like candidate.

May I suggest you stop hating yella folks. They were once slaves, too. But the just worked inside the Mastah's house.
I think I'm starting to understand your position. You don't see a difference between an all white country club and the all black caucus. Most people feel that the motivation behind joining the group and the purpose of the group is what matters. Therefore, to most people the KKK, which actively supports white superiority is worse than the white country club, whose members just prefer not to hang out with black people. And the black caucus exists for the reasons I stated above, and most people are comfortable with those reasons. I'm not sure that people would be so accepting of black Congress members who were members of all black country clubs, if such a thing even exists because that would kind of indicate that they hate white people. To most people, joining the BCC does not indicate a hatred of white people or a desire to promote black superiority.

What I'm hearing you say is that you don't see anything wrong with joining a social group where only white people are allowed to join, and you don't see why other people do. Well, okay. You think it's perfectly acceptable for people to form racially exclusive groups regardless of intent, and that people should not consider that when electing the RNC dude, and that he should not have felt compelled to resign.

Do you think that murder is always wrong regardless of intent? Or do you think it matters if it was self defense, an accident, premeditated, etc. If the guy running for the RNC was a murderer would you care if he had killed an attacker or if he had killed someone while holding up a convenience store?
Overall, this post spurred mixed feeling but your inclusion of the word nigger in the comments ("My white Uncle Pete hated niggers including my black girlfriend") when it offered no depth to your argument was somewhat disturbing.

You say your sister is black so I'm inclined to ask if you identify as black also? If you do, don't you think you've proven that blacks are capable of racist behavior given your use of the word 'nigger' is not indicative of the affection commonly reserved for same-skinned sisters and brothers as hip hop intended?

Pardon me, I don't mean to come off as accusatory but I think my question is valid. Of course, I'll assume all responsibility for yielding to emotions if I'm off base, having overlooked the irony.
I like Dean's question: is there, would there be any time in which a white organization or a black organization is non racist?

Once racism is established/been allowed to exist and flourish, can it be eliminated without the oppressed group becoming racist itself?
Suede...You say your sister is black so I'm inclined to ask if you identify as black also? If you do, don't you think you've proven that blacks are capable of racist behavior given your use of the word 'nigger' is not indicative of the affection commonly reserved for same-skinned sisters and brothers as hip hop intended?

Yes, I am black and I have stated before, some of the most racist people I know are black.

Sandra/Dean...is there, would there be any time in which a white organization or a black organization is non racist?

I would say yes. The CBC and some white-only country clubs may not be racist. My initial argument is that if white only country clubs are assumed to be racist, then so must the black-only Cong Black Caucus.
Aaron said.."You seem to be focusing on the individuals that you know and then drawing some parallels to black leaders who you have never met."

Aaron, you, like so many others missed my point which was, if a white guy/republican can be called racist solely because of his affiliation with a white-only organization, then so should a black guy/democrat be solely because on his association with a black-only group.

I will admit I am crazy, but I know logic when I write it. If you can see that, then CPS has deeper problems than publicized.

And please spare me about minorities that society has forgotten. LBJ established the Great Society just for minorities, and gave minorities special rights like affirmative action and set asides.
Aaron...I wonder what kind of community outreach this country club partakes in, if any...

I run a nonprofit after school program(99.9% black youth). However, 99.9% of my donations come from whites. Are some of these donors racist? Possibly.

Does the local NAACP, Black Chamber of Commerce, Black Ministers Alliance, Black Churches donate to my program? Hell no.
Oh, but they do ask to use my gymnasium for free. When I say no, I am then the Uncle Tom.
Ron, I respect your opinion because reading ALL your posts, I know where you're coming from although I cannot (obviously) say I've walked in your shoes, nor would I ever to anyone.

"the Congressional White Caucus" I don't believe they ever called it this because for so many decades, that what it was. Just my opinion.

There's subtle racism and blatant racism from nearly everyone walking this planet. After many hundreds of civil discussions about race with my black best friend Derek over 28 years (and we NEVER argue), we have both admitted this. He too has black relatives that he admits are blatant and/or subtle racists. As a white man I can say I have family and friends/co-workers who are as well. That's a given.

My take on it (and it's only my opinion, and maybe I'm just naive) is that we have to give Obama his chance to make good. I dare say we've ever had a President who didn't have some racist in them. I'm sure even Honest Abe had his days...

Point taken though and I certainly respect your opinion although I don't share it.

Love and Respect,
Greg
Greg.. The respect is mutual. I am more that willing and hopeful about Obama.
To me, Obama is first and foremost a politician.

The race issue came up only because a GOP was accused of being racist for belonging to a race exclusive group. I merely pointed out that Obama(since he is America's favorite Negro of the Month) also belonged to a race exclusive group.

Again, I hope Obama does well. Although, I think his economic stimulus plan is eerily similar to a Pay-Day Loan.
Dear Jane. Who isn't a racist? Out of teh 203/6 bones in our bodies, at least one is racist.

Racism is like a bowel movement, it stinks. And we all have a little stinker.

Tax breaks for the wealthy are called "perks." Perks for the poor is called welfare.

Quick borrowing without regard to paying it back is what the Pay Day Loan/Obama Stimulus Plan is.
“My sister is the biggest racist I know, and she is black. And she is one of the biggest Obama fanatics, too.
Birds of a feather.”

I am going to try my best not to become indignant in my post, something I am going to find very hard. However, your post smacks of blatant ignorance. The end in it’s self is gauche.

I will not tread into the subject of “black racism,” as I do know it exist. My wife, white, has seen some of this first hand from a few of my family members at the Thanksgiving table.

“Oh, the audacity of Barack to say he is a race uniter.”
Look at the votes, again no facts. As a newspaperman I thought you would do better.

“Oh, how we loved the story about his white grandparents and how Obama is the new, true face of Americana.
Pure, unadulterated bullshit.”

Is he not? Think about this for a second. You seem to be a man of mixed race. My daughter is of mixed race, and we live in rural AR, where just five years ago there really were no blacks in my area. I would have to travel at least 45 minutes to even see another black person. Fast forward to today. There are now more blacks living in my area, some of whom are in mix marriages. The young are starting to get over the hate that our fathers felt for each other. It’s not a quick process, but I am starting to see the tides change for the better. To say that it is bullshit because he is a racist, I feel is incorrect. Now to say it because you do not fall in line with his political view is another story entirely.

“We have black only organizations like the NAACP, Miss Black America, Mr. Black Olympia, and other black only events.” And so do whites. So what’s your point? I mean we can sit here all day with black do this, and whites do that. We both do it. I’m really starting to wonder, a man of your age, and being bi-racial, were you excluded by blacks growing up? That’s a serious question. You seem to me that you would have voted for Key’s if he had ran for President. Your post stinks of the far right, and Rush Limbaugh.

“Barack Obama campaigned for the presidency of the United States while still a member of one of the most racist organizations in America--The Congressional Black Caucus.” Needed to help keep the balance. If the black people do not have a voice in Congress we are screwed. Not matter what the law may say. Compared to what? KKK, and Nazi’s? That’s not only a really big statement to make, but foolish as well.

“How dare we say we are moving forward from our hurtful history of white-only water fountains when we elect a man who belongs to a race based organization. If Bush belonged to the Congressional White Caucus, oh, wait, there is no such thing as a white caucus. That would be deemed racist.” Again, ignorance, and no fact base. May as well throw in the fact that he was a Bonesmen while at Yale. That brings me to another point. How many black Bonesmen have you ever seen, or Keys for that matter? None.


The reopend conflict about the satire, "Barack the Magic Negro lives in DC," should not be a conflict at all. It should read, "Barack the Racist Negro supports the BCC." Now this is outright Tom mentality.

As a man in law, facts for me are the proof in the pudding that I need. And yours are missing a few ingredients, and have left a bad taste in my mouth. I would think that someone of your stature; a newsman, would have done better. Anyone can write on speculation, and thought, but someone such as you who has studied in journalism you have a duty, and with this you have not preformed it.
Wow. The 21st Century just came right up and smacked you one on the back of the head, didn't it? To argue that black organizations specifically created to deal with the systematic and institutional racism in our country are in themselves racist? Amazing. And tragic too.
Even after reading the comments, I still think the original post is satire.
Rijaxn.

I have to say I am a little blown away by this post. I think Correll and CMT said it best.

Certainly blacks as well as any other race can be racist but I don't think your reasoning here provides that Obama is a racist.
Ok, finally. Obama is NOT a racist just because he belongs to a black-only organization that is supported by tax dollars.

Nor is the white guy SOLELY because he belongs to a white only private funded country club.

I knew it would come to some ass calling me an Uncle Tom because I dont subscribe to the "woe is me the black man" syndrome. Been hearing that since age 12.

Never have,never will. The blackest man I have ever known(stepdad) told me to learn to read/write first and try to be a basketball player later. he also said if the white man tried to sell me drugs and I bought it, I was the dummy, not the other guy.

Never will I allow any idiot with personal insecurities about their own blackness tell me what racism is and what my professional obligation is. You don't learn what racism is in school, law or journalism.

I am a very proud individual, American. My race was my parents doing.
I hear you completely.It irks me when folks say, "reverse-discrimination". What the hell. Discrimination is discrimination,there aren't two kinds of it.
Well, I see you managed to hit the broad side of the barn here. This is a very difficult discussion and I appreciate your bringing it up.

11 years living in Washington DC, married to a jazz keyboard player, taught me a little about racism. I think for the first 3 years I lived there I was beet red with embarrassment from how many times I stepped in it out of inexperience. I can still remember folks being referred to as "country" and I felt their pain. "Girl, you are country!" No one ever said that to my face, but I felt it, because I felt just as out of place.

All I can say is I was a kid, no one had taught me anything else, and I was marching through my discomfort as fast as I could, trying to find some wisdom, but I never got comfortable. Not even now.

I live on a mountain in the Pacific Northwest now. As far as I know, there are no black people living on this mountain. So, it could be argued that I live in a racist community. Except there is Leon, who I met at the precinct when I went to vote. He lives in my precinct, in a nice adjoining neighborhood, but not on the mountain. So the mountain where I live may be whites only right now, but my precinct, well it's complicated, isn't it? And of course, there are no membership fees or elections to either of these. We just have to pay the rent.

"My race was my parents doing" yeah, kind of like making me a bastard, it wasn't my choice, but apparently it was my parents, just like leaving me to deal with a racist upbringing. People can be pretty dumb and pretty mean. Fortunately, we can learn from our embarrassment too.

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T-Bucket. Whew! I was beginning to thinhk I was totally nuts.

Susanne..."So, it could be argued that I live in a racist community."

Is there an explicit "No Blacks Allowed" decree on this mountain, or have no blacks decided to live there? There is a difference.

Married to musician? That is a whole 'nother blog.
As for why Katon Dawson had to resign from the whites-only country club - he DIDN'T have to. No one forced him to. But he knows that he'll get more votes if he's NOT a member. I'm sure he's just as much of a racist OUT of the club as he was IN it.

Regarding the issue of the CBC, the difference is, the country club's - and most whites-only organizations - reason for exclusion is "I don't like those people". The CBC 's reason is "those people don't like us."

The Wikipedia page on the CBC is very interesting. Whites are not excluded by the bylaws, it's just that new members must be approved by the members. What's the situation at the country club?
No, there isn't, but they way people think sometimes, the absence of black neighbors would be enough evidence to convict us of said crime. I wouldn't move into a neighborhood that had such covenants.
Cat...Regarding the issue of the CBC, the difference is, the country club's - and most whites-only organizations - reason for exclusion is "I don't like those people". The CBC 's reason is "those people don't like us."

The Wikipedia page on the CBC is very interesting. Whites are not excluded by the bylaws, it's just that new members must be approved by the members. What's the situation at the country club?

All new members of any club must be approved by members. Same difference.

Funny thing, your, "The CBC 's reason is "those people don't like us."
You havent been around too many blacks have you? "Those people would be refrred to as "those muthafuckers."
T-Bucket, I had that exact conversation at work two weeks ago! Someone was talking about reverse-racism and I piped up as to how stupid I think that is. Discrimination based on race is still just regular discrimination, is it not?

I don't agree with everything written here, but there are some good thinking points. In a similar vein, why are there separate horoscopes for gay people?

Also, what does it make you if you're white and can't stand (most) other white people?
rijaxn said:
You havent been around too many blacks have you? "Those people would be referred to as "those muthafuckers."

Wow. That is one of the most racist things I've heard anyone say out loud.
Malice and Anger: Discrimination based on ANYTHING is still discrimination,not just race.
Tell me about it ... I used to live in Oakland ... In the puppet show there are dolls of every shape and color.
Written like a true mixed-blood – not fully accepted by either group – lash out at both. I feel your pain, but reject your angry approach. Ironically enough, you and Obama have more in common than you let on in this piece. You and he duck and dodge attacks from both sides and have strong dissenters in both groups. The difference is that he has found a way to listen and legitimize each group’s concerns, a move in which some may view as “fraudulent.” Rather, this can be embraced as a bold, reconciliatory act – not only for race relations in general, but also within oneself. Easier said than done, for me too.
This is a very sad post.
Olga Little - Liver lips and huge back porches are never going to do it for this guy. You rail on about skinny white chicks but guess what? Some of us haven't fallen for the media spawned idea of beauty as an Oprah-like creature... My Grandpa said it best "The closer to the bone, the sweeter the meat..."