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JULY 10, 2009 5:38PM

My Ex-Wife

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My sixty-something ex-wife still wears a bikini … in public … and looks good doing it.  That’s not to say that she looks like a twenty year old … or even forty.  But she looks, as “they” say, good for her age … really good.

 

There are those that seem offended by this … other women.  She lives in a retirement community comprised of the “over fifty” crowd, and it’s one of those places with a lot of [fun?] community activities, like shuffle board and pot luck dinners and a community pool.  She only uses the pool.

When she goes to the pool … wearing her bikini … the other ladies … wearing their “over fifty’ swim suits … look upon her with distain.  They ignore her.  Or they frown at her.  Or they whisper about her.  Or they do all three.  It seems that they don’t much like her, and her guess is it’s the bikini.  She’s probably right.

 

Their husbands don’t seem to mind.  In fact, they seem to enjoy it.  Some even talk to her, although not often, particularly if their wives are around.  But they do observe.  And they smile.  And occasionally she sees them whisper, too.  My guess is their whispers differ from those of their wives.

 

Frankly, I’m proud of her.  I dig older women who have not given way to the notion that being old means you have to act old … or look old.  So many older women seem to believe to the contrary.  As they age, they magnify that fact.  Long hair becomes short, dresses become longer, collars get higher, pants get baggier, bellies get bigger.  “Matronly” seems to be the word of the day.  “Sloppy,” too.   They seem compelled to accept this role. It’s as though it’s expected.

 

But my ex always looks young for her age.  Her hair is long and stylish.  Her clothes are contemporary and tight fitting.   Her blouses are low cut.  In short, she is sexy.

 

No doubt, some of this is due to genetics.  She’s half Italian, half French.  But it’s attitude, too, and her attitude exudes sensuality.  Thus, her body … and the clothes she places on it … portrays it.

 

But don’t think of her as someone who was simply blessed.  She is what she is because she chooses to be.  Hell, she’s had six kids, not exactly a formula for a good body at sixty-plus.  And like all of us, she has suffered the effects of gravity.  But at no time in her life has she ever opted to let that fact keep her from thinking “attractive” … and acting it, too.  She makes herself look good, and she carries herself that way as well.

 

In one sense, I don’t blame her neighbor ladies from being jealous.  As much as they’ve given way to their time, so have their husbands, not exactly inspirations for maintaining the aura of sex.  Their husbands dress as sloppy as the ladies do … baggy shorts, faded tee shirts, fat bellies.  Many of them look like blimps with legs.  They all seem to walk bow-legged. What’s with that?

 

Both my ex-wife and I are still sexually active … though since the divorce, not so much together.  But when we were married, it was one of our few strong points.  And as it were, we are both still considered “attractive” … for our age. When we were together, we were sexually attracted to each other … even as we began to hug the age of sixty.  So sex was and is a driving force for us both. 

 

It makes me wonder about those others … her friends by the pool.  Do they still “do it?”  Do they even want to?  And what about their husbands?  Certainly the way they look at my ex, their minds are on more than their next beer.  But what of their wives; do they ever desire their wives … or their wives, them?  And if so, why is it that none of them … men or women … seem motivated to act like it, and for God’s sake, look like it?  No, they all seem intent on looking as lousy as they can … as sexless as they can.

 

I can’t imagine life without sex.  It has been my favorite hobby since I was a teen.  As much as I love sports, there is no way I’m playing golf if I can be dancing horizontally.  I know my ex feels the same … ‘cept not about sports.  But I bet she’d give up shopping for a good roll in the hay.  So she keeps herself looking good, knowing that by doing so, her chances of that action are vastly improved.

 

Looking good does take work.  It might even involve dieting and exercising.  Personally, I hate both, and avoid both as much as I can.  But I also understand reality, and the reality is, if you want to look good, you have to make an effort. 

 

So what goes on in the back of the minds of those “others?”  Do they all secretly crave a different life … one where they are sexy?  Deep inside, do they still long for those “good old days” when kids and grandkids were a distant thought for the future, and making them was much more in the forefront of their minds?  Geez, I hope so.

 

Then maybe they’d be less inclined to judge my ex, and more inclined to be like her.  I hope for that, too.  I could use the added scenery.

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Sixties is the next Thirty-twos ... until October.
I'm 49 (and a half) and still wear a bikini. But my hair is short and I'm full Hungarian (and still feel sexy). Does that take me out of the running......? Great writing! Congrats on the EP (not to be confused with ED). ;) Yes, I'm flirting.
Hits home. Rated.
MotMista, thanks for your read and comments. It's a "guy" thing.

Cartouche, you'd be in the running if you were bald ... note the spelling. You've got it all: talent, brains and sex appeal. See, I'm flirting back.

Cindy, thanks for the spanking. But I have to say, this piece (now over a year old) was prompted by the judgement of the women mentioned, not mine or my Ex's. And I promise you, the overweight hubbies who were watching weren't thinking about hobbies you'd want to discuss ... I don't think. As for me, give me two women, one intellectual as hell, but frumpy, the other modestly smart, but sexy ... I'm going sexy everytime, and unless the boys I know are making it a point to lie to me, so are they.

Like it or not, sex appeal is and always will be in.

But cna I wrestle in your pudding?
As an over sixty woman who has been known to wear a bikini from time to time I know my days are numbered....in fact I figure I have another month or so max.

I understand Cindy's POV also, and I have to say, not that many men your age still look like a specimen either. It is all about how you feel from the inside, confidence and desire seem to go hand-in-hand.

Some people (maybe most) would or could never wear the kinds of things you describe, and this is okay too. It takes all kinds to make this world go round. I for one am glad.

Congratulations on the EP and cover...you are always walking to your own drummer, and I have always admired that in you.
awwww man no picture.
ok I just had to think of that famous one with Helen Mirren in a bikini.
hey buffy, you DID post a picture recently, and I for one thank you :)
I think you have more than a month. actually I thought you looked better than Helen Mirren :)
they say theres more to life than sex.
but Im still trying to figure out what it is.
:p
I think style is sexy.

And for me...it is so much nicer to open the present in your breakfast room than at a restaurant...

just sayin'

:)
Good for her. It seems like there's a fine balance between being a Botoxed, tummy-tucked, boob-augmented, half-silicone freak who tries desperately at fifty to still look twenty and people who have a couple of kids and give up on all efforts to look presentable whatsoever.

From what you describe, your ex maintains that happy medium beautifully. Good for her for staying pretty but not obsessive, and good for you for admiring it about her.
I was brought up to take care of my looks and it has nothing to do with having money or being vain. Well, maybe a little bit vain. The knee jerk reaction that anyone who looks good is the enemy screams of low self esteem. I'd say the women at the pool are doing most of the judging in this scenario.

Being overweight does not mean someone can't look well groomed and maintained. If you look good, you feel good. I have found that to be true. It doesn't take any more time to throw a bit of lipstick on and to wear something fun and sexy than it does to look like you just finished gardening all the time.

I can feel myself building up to one of my favourite rants: why do people think flip flops and sweats are appropriate attire to go do anything other than hang around the house? I'll stop now.

Good post, rated.
One of the benefits of working in New York is that there are a lot of interesting people to look at on the streets - including more than one's fair share of good looking women. But one think I've noticed while people watching. It seems women are checking out women more so than are men.

Checking out the competition? That might account for the demeanor of your ex-wife's friends by the pool.
I look really sexy and funny in writing. In a bikini, not so much. What are my chances?
While I in no way believe the current delusional baby-boomer hype that 60 is the new 45 [just another way to pretend we are not all going to die & soon] I am planning on buying a 2-piece bathing suit myself to celebrate my 49th bday this month. I will not go quietly down that matronly road, I will not. Yet.
Thanks to all for the input, friends. Just a couple of points: In the case of "My Ex", it was the bikini, the pool and the whispers that prompted the piece. I saw it. Believe me, my ex couldn't care less; she actually found it funny because she wears her bikini anytime she goes to the water ... beach, too.

But to me it was more than the whispers and stares; it was about attitude: It is how we see ourselves. We think, therefore we are. One of my closest friends is substantially overweight ... and she is sexy! She thinks sexy. Sexy is not necessarily beauty (as we tend to know it); it is simply "SEXY." It's not the box, it's how you wrap it.

Buff, you're sixty, smart and sexy. You think, therefore you are ... and in your case, always have been.

vzn, I've had loads of intellectual conversations with buddies ... never wanted to screw any of them; but there's nothing like a nice intelligent conversation with a woman, then boffing ... unless she's also sexy to boot. Now that's heaven. And I don't have a pic of my ex I can post that wouldn't get me sued ... by her. Sorry. Mirren and Buffy will have to do. Believe me, they're both great examples.

Lollydama, you are so right; style is sexy ... or at least can be. It's not the amount of skin, it's the amount of attitude.

O'Really?, you write sexy. You could look like a statue and turn me on; I'd chip your plaster anytime.

Gary, I envey you, living in NY. I spent a year there one week, and my favorite pastime was looking at the ladies ... my God, where do you get them? I stood on 43rd & 8th, whistling "Standing on the corner, watching all the girls go by," as they came from the subway hustling their way to work. It was like a candy store; bet some of them were smart, too.

And you're right, JessaBelle, my ex does have it in balance. She makes no extreme effort to look good ... no plastic, no special proceedures. No one would ever jump up and say, "Now there's a body that belongs in a bikini." She's not overly proud of her body; she's just not ashamed of it.

Because as EmmaPeel said, if you look good, you feel good ... and my ex sure felt good to me (wink). She was and is great to look at. I just couldn't live with her. Actually, Emma, I think you summed it up best: It doesn't take any more time to throw a bit of lipstick on and to wear something fun and sexy than it does to look like you just finished gardening all the time. I will join you in your rant; cna't stand sloppy either.

But Cindy, your points are not overlooked. We all appreciate women who have depth to them ... depth of character, depth of intellect, depth of compassion. However, I have travelled in some wide and varied circles of men ... from strip clubs to country clubs, judges to convicts, senators to senate bores, intellectuals to ineffectuals ... and I NEVER heard one of them say, "look at that sloppily dressed chic with the great brain; boy I'd like to 'do' her!" Intelligence always seems brighter when it is wrapped in a cloak of sexy.
This was a real pleasant read. O/T.
My computer's slow as a pork chop.
One day a neighbor who was 86? said:`
Arthur. You can still 'get-eh-up' with age.
I said:`huh? He said he still gets hard-on!
I reminded the farmer:`Many Popes died!
Pope tried that too. He die between thigh!
Three transparencies from Cindy's comments;

1"I detect judgmentalism on your part, as well, Rod."

2:"Then, of course, it is entirely possible that some of the cattiness is due to jealousy. "

3:"It would be a much kinder world if we ALL would cut each other some slack, and avoid judging. It's possible, but it does take exercise and effort."

Yes, Cindy, it would have been.

I do not need to say anymore other than "duplicity".
Great post, Rod. Cindy Ross, please stop pontificating. It's tiresome.

Stymie
I'm 61 and I am like that ex wife. I just wish my ex husband would admire me openly instead of staying pissed off at me for twenty years. It just makes me think he misses me.
Cindy, I agree with everything you say.
Can't help but wonder...with all the mutual admiration and caring why the divorce?
I'm 66 and just finished a 12-mile bikeride, half of it up about a 5% grade. I'm doing about 50 miles a week these days. I also hit the gym 3-4 days a week to work the weights. I've lost 15 pounds in the last six months. I, too, had the bow-legged thing going on. It's because the cartilage on the inside of the knees wears out, forcing the knees outward. Being overweight accelarates this unsettling horror. So 18 months ago I had both knees replaced, and the docs straightened my legs again.
Sex. I think about it all the time - not much different than I did 40 years ago. And boy, do I appreciate a well kept woman. It seems virtually all the women I date, usually only once, have given up. They've done just as you described, complete with the large belly. Sorry, no sexual attraction there. If you go to dating sites, you'll see an awful lot of women in their 50s and 60s with more photos of their dogs and cats than themselves. And women wonder why men my age look at younger women! I'm really discouraged.
Being in my early 60's now and just retired I have more time for my hobbies and interest in physical fitness. It is, however, a life long conmittment to stay fit and healthy. This week i played racquetball two times, hiked to 11,000 ft, ran 15 miles, lap swimming for 1 mile, got on my raod bike in the mountains for 10 miles and did weights and muscle strenghtening three times a week. Yes, sometimes I spend up to 3 to 4 hours a day doing these activities. Just because the calender says you have lived a long time, does not mean you should just lay on the couch and become ho-hum, dumpy and feel like effort doesn't matter anymore. So, good for your ex wife, I am right there with her, bikini and all.
Have to weigh in on this one! (Pun intended)!! I'm 66 and I still wear a bikini. Silly? I don't think so, neither do my kids, their spouses and/or my boyfriend. The grandkids all think that Granny is soooo cool. I do live in Florida and bikinis are common sights here even when women weigh a couple of hundred pounds - nobody cares. It's just a matter of choice. Every other day since I was 17 years old, I've practiced a quick 10 minute or so exercise routine. Only do what works. No doubt I was blessed with good genetics but why take that for granted - the quick, efficient routine has paid off. Skin does get "mushy", does seem to turn loose to a certain degree so over the last 1 1/2 years, I've noticed that I can't skip exercise. Have just recently had to start to work hard on the inner thighs which is the first to go! We'll go out and dance occasionally and I'll get ask to dance by kids in their 30's & 40's. I think young, act young and it pays off. Women will frequently ask "how do you do it?" Men will frequently tell me I look terrific - that I look better than a lot of kids do. My kids & their spouses love to tell me when their friends comment that I look HOT! Although my son usually comes back with "Watch it, you're talking about my mom!" It makes my kids feel good and for sure it makes me feel good. I think a lot of women -- men too -- think that they're old, think that nobody cares anymore so why should they. I don't think that way. Folks, there's no age limit on what you want to do - whether it's staying sharp mentally, keeping up a good body or staying active in the bedroom. It's just a matter of what you want to do.
This is a touching, un-cruel piece. Un-snarky too. I expected less.

Viz the last paragraphs: I don;t think it's so simple. I think some women get "re-arranged" by childbirth and menopause and inactivity, AND they tend to think we should all "dress our age", generally, belief they hold as bubbameinsa wisdom. Not entirely wrong, either, when you see some older men and women wearing pathetically inappropriate clothes.

Even so, i think you should wear what you want, at any age. If you can carry it off, as apparently your ex can, it's a cool thing. If it's a thong on a withered 70-something ass, maybe not so much, but hey, if you don't care, do your thong!
Interesting read. Congrats on the EP.
This was excellent Rod..I can only imagine the comments you will reeive but I felt an understanding when I read your posting here..I see the same things you do and sometimes wonder what people are thinking..or if they are..about that part of life that seems to be the province of youth..maybe the peole you observe who seem to have given up or not care about themselves never had anything going on to begin with..all I know is that my woman/partner stays in terrific shape, cares what she looks like and how she lives and has a body and attitude that women/girls much younger than herself would envy...I personally think that is important becuase otherwise you just resign yourself to some mythis Golden Years personna and lifestyle that, to me, offers nothing more than a slow, boring slide into oblivion..I think it's good to LIVE while you're still alive...and I agree with you, that sex is one good way to remind yourself that you're still breathing!!!
Once more, to all of you, thanks for the comments.

Art, XJS, Stymie; thnaks for chipping in.

Cubanchippewa ... wow, what a name! No wonder your still kick'n. If your looks are a combo of Indian and Cuban, you must be drop-dead gorgeous. You get to swin in the Big-Kid-Gene-Pool.

Baja, thanks for the read. Scupper, you too.

Geez, Kaj, do you also leap over tall buildings in a single bound? I have this vision of you ... running 100 miles, climbing K-2, riding in the Tour d'France, jumping over 26 school buses ... then suddenly stopping, and not even a little out of breath, frimly putting both fists to your hips, and with a wide smile, uttering, "Let's see; what's next; Oh yeah, how 'bout some sex." You go, Girl.

The same for Schatzie ... ain't 66 grand? Not like 44 or 33, but it's way better than 22, and I love it ... love sensuous women. So thyanks and keep'm hopp'n. Oh, yeah, where in FL did you say you were? You're right; the sexy ones do come here to roost.

And Bill E ... your words point out that it's a two-way street; guys gotta make an effort, too. By the way, have you met Kaj111. You're made for each other. We mortals will observe the two of you leap'n over the moon together.

Greg, you do the photo work. We'll want proof.

Finally, Michele ... you ask, "with all the mutual admiration and caring why the divorce?" I've asked the same question, 'cept slightly different: with all the mutual admiration and caring why the marriage? I said she was sexy. I never said she was fun to live with.

And like some of you, she knows I'm joking.

Again, thanks for stopping by; hope to see you all again.
I have to ask -- what is a youthful early 60 something doing in a retirement community? I'm 63, and at my age I can't imagine "retiring" to such a limited community. In fact, the only people I know with such living arrangements are the parents of some of my contemporaries. Perhaps one reason your wife looks so much better than the average person at her pool is that she is actually younger than the average? And perhaps one of the reasons others look askance, if they do, is because they wonder, as I do, if she sought out a situation that she thought might offer less competition? Why isn't a healthy, attractive, youthful woman out in the world engaging in more challenging activities than parading in a bikini at a pool with the old folks? Is she husband shopping in a place where she thinks she may find easy pickings?

Like your ex, I am blessed with those Italian genes that provide skin that holds up well even in the 60th decade. And from the Scots side of the family I received hair that doesn't even start to gray until well past 60. Nonetheless, a recent bout with breast cancer made the youthful hair gene pointless -- a year later my head still looks just hatched; with lots of baby fine wisps and exposed scalp. Wigs are fine for day -- but they won't do in the pool or the bedroom. Fortunately, my husband doesn't seem to require long, flowing locks to think a woman is sexy.

Stuff happens to bodies over the years. People age on different time schedules. And, there is a huge difference, physically, between 60 and 70 (aging speeds up). A 5 or 10 year difference in age in those past 60 can make a much bigger difference in terms of appearance (the condition of one's skin, hair, muscle tone, etc) than, say, a 5 or 10 year difference for those 20 or 30 years younger.

One further thought -- it may be that the majority of people who retire to "adult" communities are people who are past worrying about striving, self-image and self-promotion. Maybe your ex's obvious clinging to such things is what her community finds odd.
Unlike the abstractions we think of as mind, personality, intellect, soul, temperament, kindness, etc, the body is the physical representation of self. Like the more abstract qualities, if we have valued our physical body, we will do what we can to take care of it, to maintain its vitality. And I don't believe it's entirely a matter of age: a healthy, vital, well-cared-for body is always better, more beautiful than a neglected body - whether you're 20, 40, 60 years old or more.
The others realize as you do that exercise and dieting are necessary. What you might not get is that not all women are as genetically blessed as your ex-wife. It is also infinitely easier for men to lose weight than women and men carry weight differently than women. Also men their age tend to prefer younger women so then others exercise and diet to please what -- 80-year-olds? Might as well enjoy the chocolate cake.

Your wife has my utmost admiration for carrying and raising six children. I hope she wears a bikini as often as possible and has a WTF attitude towards those who shun her and whisper like they were in high school. Some people never learn social graces and envy is a horrible emotion to give into or exhibit.

However, menopause is a bitch in ways other than the obvious changes in personality which can be regrettable. Metabolism slows down etc. I don't think it hits men as hard physically in ways one can see clothed. It is real obvious when unclothed as every hack comedian over 40 something points out in his act.

I love your posts which don't at all reflect what I call "cranky middle aged man" negativism which is incredibly unattractive. However older men can be very very judgmental about women their own age who are also dealing with hormonal changes, illnesses, and medications that may make their outward appearance not that of a younger woman.

I would never judge your ex but please don't be so hard on the "others". They deal every day with mean people judging them.
For most of the women at your ex wife's retirement community, it's probably just not worth the effort to "keep themselves up." You are probably not fully aware (because men - whose metabolisms are faster and who don't get cellulite - have it easier) what an enormous amount of work it is for a woman to look "good for her age" over 60 (or even just over 40.) And I say that as one who (at 47) is doing the work. I have not "let myself go." But let me tell you what that means. It means that I work out, six days per week, for an hour to an hour and a half (weight training, dance and aerobic walking.) It means that I never eat bread, rice or patsa and that I only eat sweets (like cake) on extremely rare occasions. (I had a piece of cake at my husband's birthday party a couple of days ago; I won't eat anything like that again, probably, for at least a couple of month.) I wear sunscreen every day, year 'round, and have since my late 20s. My hair, though not short, is shoulder length instead of super-long now, because really long hair does make a woman's face look older (even if she only has slight, subtle lines) by pulling the eye downward. I have also given up red lipstick (exchanged for medium pink) because that, too, is aging on a woman over 40 (even one who looks good "for her age.")
I don't wear bikinis or any other sort of bathing suit because I am an urbanite who never swims. I do wear clothes that reveal my shape but my necklines have gotten higher, since my neck, despite good skin care, is starting to show a bit of looseness, and I'm very self-conscious about that.
I could write more, but I think I've written enough for you to get how much work goes into being a "good for my age" looking 40-something (who, with the right, careful, clothes and makeup can still pass for early 30s.) Do you know any man who would bother with all that?
I do understand why there are women who don't want to bother. Part of the reason why I do bother is because I'm still, to some extent, in show business and need to look young in order to stay viable.
There are days, though, when I really don't feel like doing any of it.
Wow. Just saw Cartouche's comment. She says she is flirting.

You so need to come to Vegas ;0)
Dorinda Fox --

This made me laugh: "Also men their age tend to prefer younger women so then others exercise and diet to please what -- 80-year-olds? Might as well enjoy the chocolate cake."

I'm old enough to see the consequences of some of those May-December marriages; youthful, active women my age (early 60s) who are now being overwhelmed and beaten down by the tragic demands of caring for elderly parents AND equally elderly husbands. Thankfully, neither of my acquaintances in this situation had children with their much older spouses. Dealing with what they are dealing with plus having children at home would be beyond bearing.

I had the good sense to marry someone 11 years younger. While society may be more approving of young brides and older husbands, as a practical matter, it definitely works better the other way around.

I can't help but wonder how many of the other single women in that retirement community where Mr. Eammon's ex resides are survivors of the painful, debilitating responsibilities involved in the end of life care of a loved one. After such an experience, striving to remain "sexy" to another aging man is probably not high on anyone's agenda.
One more comment: I would recommend that everyone read a wonderful essay in today's New York Times entitled "Yes. We do. Even at Our Age." It is written by a 70 year old woman (her husband is 78).

I think that the assumption that is being made here -- that because others in the retirement community may no longer be attractive by conventional social standards of youth and beauty, they can not still be attractive to their partners, is an erroneous one. As the author of the essay in the Times writes, an "active love life" is "based on decades of enjoying each others company; sharing silly jokes; recalling life's events both good and bad; voicing our opinions, concerns and fears: and encouring and caring for each other as we age."

It isn't striving to appear youthful that has deepened the passion between me and my husband over the last 20 years -- it is honesty, humor, shared experience. Including the shared experience of having faced life threatening illness.

This post is written out of the experience of people who are still seeking relationships as they age. In that situation, it is probably natural to see those external, like youthfulness and physical beauty, as still being of very great importance. But long time, loving partners have had an opportunity to see much more than that in each other.

"Style" afterall, doesn't really have much to do with sensuality. Style is about how we present ourselves in public to strangers and mere acquaintances, not how we behave and are perceived in our most intimate relationships.
To esmense and the others who have now weighed in on this piece, thank you for your thoughts and comments, and even questions. I've decided to write a follow-up that I hope will offer some insight into who we are ... both my ex-wife and me ... how we see things, life, etc.

Dorinda, just so you know, if my good friend, Buffy, had said, "hey we're goin' to Vega; wanna come?" I'd have probably been there ... assuming the airlines weren't functioning in "rip-off" mode. I've been bitching for weeks about a vacation - kinda wanted the islands and a cruise, though. But I don't like cruises where there is no overnight "in port" ... which seems to be all of them today. So Vegas with friends might have been a great alternative. But "you-know-who" (rhymes with puffy) never said a word ... so I'm goin' to hang around home, cry in my [yellow] beer, and maybe go to the Seminole Casino in Immokelee, FL which is close by but can only be found in the company of a full-blooded scout AND if you can pronounce Immokalee ... IM-MOK-A-LEE ... Seminole for "fool who gambles." But cartouche will be gambling $9.50 of my quarters if I can get them to her before the big dance. Play the zodiac ones, cartouche ... Gemini ... my alter ego will be with you.

So FYI: While YOU ALL are in Vegas, go to "Batistas's Hole in the Wall" restaurant ... if it's still there. It's average but historic, and it's just off the strip; However, it may be gone now; not showing on my virtual reality map. That would be on my list of things.

But if I was there, I'd really be heading to the dam, into Arizona and on my way to Kingman. About halfway there is a (long) road toward the canyon that leads to a dot on the map called Temple Bar. I have got to go to any place (town, camp, etc) named after a bar. I wrote about it once in some fiction, site unseen. Wanna see it someday.

And if I'm lucky, I'll meet cartouche once she returns. It'd be kinda silly to meet her in Vegas when we live about 100 miles a part ... on the other hand, kinda fun. Maybe I'll hitchhike ... kind of Kerouac style.

And to Eva ... as well as others ... the bikini, though true, is symbolic. Sexy and sensuality are about attitude. I know that physical looks are genetic, and presentation is harder for some than others. I applaude those who give a damn and try, not condemn those who don't. I think most men feel that way. The idea is to make the most of what you got.

Thanks for reading.
Good for your ex. Though I must say that I am pre-emptively envious. I've been cursed with cellulite since I was a 117 pound 18 year-old. It's not in my genetics to look good in a bikini. If I could, I would. I definitely fear that my man won't be attracted to me when I'm older. I work out, I eat well, I'm just kind of cursed. I don't ever want to be "not sexually active".
I just want to compliment everyone on what a great discussion this is - I've really enjoyed reading it, not just the post but all the thoughtful comments. What a beautiful demonstration of intelligent civility from Dorinda, Cindy, Esmense, Rob......You all make such good points, and I've found my perspective both broadened and deepened as I read this.

I have a somewhat different perspective - I've been a serious competitive athlete my whole life, and I am now starting to realize some benefits from such an intense level of lifelong activity. My legs still look young, my back is muscular, my 'core' strong which enables me to compete in physically rigorous sports like mountain trail running, deep powder Alpine skiing and road biking. All that exercise keeps my muscles tone, my hair healthy and my skin clear. Though I'm aging well, of course I have crow's feet and other sun damage, gray hair and weight will creep on if I stop exercising for more than three months - that didn't use to be the case. Also, I feel more aches after big races/workouts, and I can't just go out and do a marathon or a 24 hour race with just a little bit of training, like I could in my 20s.

But here's the thing - because my fitness serves a purpose in competing, I tend to see my body in friendly terms. I understand the difference between my body image and my self image, and I know what Rod means - sexiness is not a dress size or an age, it is an attitude of personal certitude of one's *interestingness* and desirability. I think of myself as very sexy, with my looks contributing to about 75% of that sexiness if you don't know me, and 25% of my sexiness if you do.

Being part of a virtual community like OS, meeting/ reading people like Elizabeth and Dorinda and Stellaa, as well as being the daughter of my mother, I've learned over the past 5 years to be less judgemental of people who appear to my athlete's eyes to be out of shape, matronly, etc. Hormones are a *bitch*, man. And aging is harder on women than men - our metabolisms slow more, our skin thins faster...age really attracts the candy coating harder than the soft chewy center. My relaxation of judgement has enriched my life in so many ways - I've met some incredible women and men who've shown me the reality of appreciating people for internal beauty, to a degree that renders to external utterly irrelevant. Which, paradoxically, has enhanced a trait I've always had, one that I'm happy to see come more to the forefront of who I am - I've always been able to identify something physically beautiful about everyone I meet/know. With OS, the inner beauty of my friends has been so firmly established, that when I meet them, they all seem to be extraordinarily attractive. I have no doubt this perception will continue with everyone I meet on OS.
oops that should read: "age really attracks (not attracts) the candy coating harder than the soft chewy center"
and with all of this talk of internal beauty etc. etc. - please don't get confused, I appreciate a body kept in good trim, whether that body is in its 20s or 70s. I see no reason why a woman shouldn't wear a bikini her whole life, if she wants to. I enjoy a man in a Speedo, too - Copacabana Beach in Rio made a deep and permanent impression my with regards to the Speedo. It is a marvelous garment for displaying a man's body. All those smooth brown-skinned slender Brazilian men playing foot volley (soccer over a volley ball net) on the immense expanse of sandy beach - yowza. Like women in bikinis, men baring so much skin tend to look better if they are fitter, but confidence certainly helps carry the day.
I detect a dry spell for Rod.
Tracy- I can't really agree with "But I don't have money for an army of cosmetologists and trainers and plastic surgeons, and anything less than ZOWIE! doesn't seem to count for much." Maybe I'll feel differently in my 60s. But I listen to my dad and father in law talk about women they find attractive, and it is not at all limited to much younger women. They notice the women their age that make an effort to attractive and interesting - and these aren't always the thinnest women, or by any means have had plastic surgery or procedures to reduce their signs of age. Rather, they seem very drawn to the most lively, vivacious, adventurous women. As they've gotten older, and their own attitudes become more set, I've noticed they've become more and more drawn to women with positive, happy, fun-loving attitudes. That might mean younger in some cases but isn't always the case.

My h and I went on a diving vacation. The people on the boat ranged in age from 20s to 70s. While there were many younger women on the boat, by far the most sexy and memorable woman was the oldest person on the boat, a French woman who had been living in Houston Texas for the past 25 years. She wasn't particularly beautiful, her age was apparent in her skin and some aspects of her body - but she was trim and fit for her age and more important, really funny, smart, interested and interesting. We remember her often and regret not making an effort to keep her in our lives. She was just really dynamic and energizing to be around.

Attitude has a lot to do with how we see ourselves, and, therefore, how others see us. I didn't interpret Rod's comments as judgemental to other women so much as judgemental to women who were judgemental of his ex. His comments about men becoming significantly overweight strike me not as critical, but merely as factually observing a distinct trend in people's fitness. Such trends are not a given attributable to age - we are much much fatter people in the past 2 decades than was the case as recently as the 70s and 80s. This is not just a US thing - the world's citizens rae getting heavier and more likely to suffer from diseases related to obesity, such as Type II diabetes.

We as a society certainly need to be more accepting a variety of body types, and stop worshipping thinness as the nearly sole ideal of female beauty routinely presented in the media - it's not an ideal that all men share by any means, and therefore, being not representative of what all or even most men want or what most women can or want to 'achieve', it needs to be retired. There is no reason at all for people to speak about weight in moral, judgemental terms. But that being said --- being significantly overweight is not a healthy thing, and rarely contributes to personal contentment and happiness, and is a relatively recent phenomenon in our culture, and we'd all do well to figure out the causes - de-emphasis of physical education in schools, eating processed food and sugar in disproportionate quantitites, working sedentary jobs, working too hard to maintain a emotional and physical and psychological balance throughout our adult lives - and address them.
My ex was a rocket scientist. We hung out with the smartest people on the planet. It turned on my brain so much I was in ecstasy more than I can say....
I'm only fifty--I'll add attest to what Sandra said about aging for women--it is much harder to stay in shape.
But even if I had the body of a 25-year old, there are few men who have the brains an mind would turn me on in the way a 25-year-old body turns on a man.
Good for your ex wife! It feels go to look good. Who cares what anoyone else thinks! Does it make HER feel good?
Really, that's what matters (not how many you attract, but how you feel about yourself and what you have to offer to others.)
I like the you and your ex are still wild for the wild thang parts! (And nice "though not as much together anymore" touch! Ha!) I know the verge of 70 hasn't slowed my parents down, but this gives me hope it's not just genetic, and I will indeed find others!

Thanks for reminding us the "Urge For Going," as (my favorite porn star) Joni Mitchell sings (since the Japanese go instead of come; interesting, ne?), can last and thrive (and throb and oh, it's time for some afternoon delight!) a glorious, sex-filled/self-pleasured lifetime!

I'm turned on by all kinds of bodies, myself, but rarely have I boinked someone without a quick sense of humor. I know, I shall continue to try to be more open-minded. Thanks for the celebration!
my god, why would a man divorce a woman like that?