Barack Obama was born in Hawaii, case closed, and I have the proof.
Forget about whether or not his birth certificate is a forgery. It isn't.
If Mr. Obama had been born in Kenya, or Indonesia, as many Obama opponents/nutjobs have been proclaiming, we would know this for one simple reason; young Barack Obama would have told his friends about it.
When Barack was six, he would have bragged to his pals that he was born in Kenya, or Indonesia. It would have made him different from the other kids. It would have made him cool. Girls would think he was exotic. He would have done a show-and-tell about his birthplace.
I don't think that Obama was anticipating a 2008 presidential election in 1967 and if he was I don't think that a six year old boy would have had the wherewithal and foresight to falsify his birth certificate.
His mother would not have told people, "Don't tell Barack that he was born in Kenya. Some day there might be lawsuits to prevent him from taking the oath of office."
Has any former Obama classmate, neighbor, or friend come forward and said, "Oh yeah, Barack always bragged about being born in Africa?"
No, they haven't, because it isn't true.
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Roger,
Very good. I like this. I wish I had thought of this argument the other day when I accidentally got into a conversation with someone on this subject.
The best I could come up with was "do you imagine a conspiracy that includes every state official in Hawaii keeping the "forgery" a secret?" I mean, the governor is a republican! and she was an avid McCain supporter!
Suede, Clarence Thomas is an IDIOT!
Greg...I am an IDIOT...and I resent that insult.
Clarence Thomas has a a lot of improvement to make before he can call himself an idiot--and I'll thank you to keep that in mind.
Why, oh why are the two most influential people in America questioning Obama's right to assume office--Clarence Thomas and Alan Keyes.
What on earth are they trying to prove?
As for Roger's comments, that's an excellent point! Unless he was born in Kenya and his parents decided to keep that from him - and there's no reason I can think of as to why they would - then yeah, he definitely WOULD have told someone - especially if he was asked about is "exotic" name. I remember reading an article about Michelle Obama which noted that when she was told she would be mentoring him during his internship at the law firm where she worked, she wasn't at all sure what someone with a name like "Barack Obama" would be like. I would imagine that she probably would have asked him about it, since, apparently, she was curious.
BTW - Clarence the Cowardly Justice needs to study to make sub-cretin, but I don't suppose that you need to know to much to repeat "Yeah, what Tony said".
The Founders obviously had a difficult time wording the document so as to grandfather in people who were in essence made naturalized citizens by the adoption of the Constitution -- which includes many of our greatest Presidents. You're correct that the seemingly superfluous comma only adds to the confusion.
But even more confusion has arisen over just exactly what constitutes a "natural born" citizen. The laws regarding that have changed repeatedly, including in regard to the length of residency requirements for naturalized citizens. Technically, children of such persons were not considered natural born until such time as their parents were naturalized.
Worse, under the patriarchal laws of earlier times, a foreign-born woman became a citizen simply by marrying a male citizen, but the reverse was not true.
All this has sparked debate about the "natural born" status of several US presidents. Chester Arthur, in particular, seems a shaky case under a strict interpretation of the law.
That background helps explain the debate over Obama's eligibility; it does not concern his place of birth, but his father's citizenship. Confused? You betcha.
To put it in a more easily understandable context, imagine for a moment that one day in the future, the child of an illegal alien chooses to run for president or vice-president -- would that person be eligible or not? Should they be?
To some this is a technicality in the extreme, to others it is essential to preserving our democracy. But in either case, this is a discussion we ought to have, and for that reason, this is a case that probably ought to be heard. Hopefully this nonsense can be cleared up once and for all.
no, guys, W. is an idiot. Clarence Thomas is worse than an idiot. He's the sh*t on the bottom of my shoes - sorry, he disgusts me.
as far as the Supreme Court, I think this case is ridiculous and hope it goes away. and ok, I'm saying this here first - if this does somehow make it up to the SC & this election is overturned, I will be the first to riot in the streets
egads!
This argument ignores two MAJOR facts.
First, Obama's mother was a US citizen, born in Kansas. Second, he was born in Hawaii, you know, a State of the Union. Either one of these ends the so-called "debate", unless you somehow ignore them both.
I like your reply but my point is very simple. If Obama had been born in Africa or Indonesia, that fact would not have remained a secret. He would have blabbed it as a kid.
As far as your other point, I believe that if a child is born here, they are eligible.
So-called anchor babies are a serious strain on social services and schools, and most particularly on schools in poorer neighborhoods.
We call all bury our heads in the sand about illegal immigration, but it is a very real problem, one that is in large part responsible for the decline in real wages for citizens on the low end of the scale.
All that having been said, Roger, I think some are claiming that Obama himself didn't know until recently that he was born in Kenya, which sort of blows your blabbing kid theory.
The whole thing drives me crazy, and I had to face it directly on my first day of work, which happened to be taking over a fifth grade class on the day after the election. A beautiful blue-eyed blond raised her hand when we were talking about the electoral college and wondered why we were allowing someone to be President who wasn't even born here. I simply said, "Yes, he was," and then offered that he was born in Hawaii and people who were biased against him were making stuff like that up. But I knew of course that she got this from her parents and it wouldn't go down well that I'd contradicted them. But so what.
But this little fantasy aside, I think the questions about citizenship deserve a fair hearing. Otherwise we could end up with a president like John McCain who was in fact born in Panama.
Lainey, you are absolutely right that this question wouldn't even have come up if Obama wasn't black. I wish you well dealing with parents who are definitely not smarter than a fifth-grader.
As for having the Supremes rule on it, well, that just elevates it to a level way beyond what it deserves. And I assure you that it won't actually resolve much of anything. I realize Tom is suggesting that larger issues regarding the interpretation of the 14th amendment would get hammered out if this came before the Court, but I sort of doubt it unless that is Thomas's ulterior motive. And that gives him too much credit. (See Frank Apisa's comments.)
Sheesh.
In other words, young Obama DID INDEED brag to his pals about his actual birthplace, and his radical African Jihadist plot to destroy America. However, his New World Order buddies have have induced retroactive amnesia in all of his childhood acquaintances, through the use of an EM lobotomy phaser.
Plain-old fashioned bribery may have also been necessary on those of us who possess the highest quality tinfoil hats available. Such headgear is proven to be impervious to the effects of the amnesia-beam.
Here's a pretty good article about some of the people behind this nonsense.