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JULY 28, 2010 4:41PM

Is Obama DOJ Engaged in a Coverup?

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Cross Posted at Legal Schnauzer
Until last week, the best that could be said of the U.S. Department of Justice under Barack Obama was, well . . . nothing. That's because the DOJ, under Attorney General Eric Holder, had pretty much done . . . nothing.

But things changed last week with reports that the DOJ had found no criminal charges were warranted against Bush administration officials for the firings of nine U.S. attorneys.

The news came in the form of a letter from DOJ official Ronald Welch to House Judiciary Chairman John Conyers (D-MI). In those six pages, the Obama DOJ moved into dark territory. No longer was it just ignoring possible criminal acts by Bush officials; it was engaging in active deceit of the American public.

On top of that, we now know that the "investigation" was handled by a special prosecutor with ties to evidence suppression in an earlier criminal case. What, if anything, will the Obama DOJ do about this latest news, which comes courtesy of some splendid reporting by Andrew Kreig, of the Justice Integrity Project?

Scott Horton, of Harper's, called the findings a whitewash--and he was being charitable. I would call it a coverup. Our unsolicited advice for Conyers: Don't just quietly accept this steaming pile of horse feces.

The investigation into the U.S. attorney firings has emitted a foul odor from the outset. It was conducted by Nora Dannehy, who was appointed to a U.S. attorney position by . . . George W. Bush. Dannehy was tapped to lead the investigation by Michael Mukasey, who was attorney general for . . . George W. Bush. Did these apparent conflicts cause any concern for Eric Holder? Apparently not, because he allowed Dannehy to proceed--and accepted her findings seemingly without any questions.

The entire scandal involved the firings of nine U.S. attorneys. But Dannehy investigated only one case, that of New Mexico's David Iglesias. How can a scandal involving nine cases be declared resolved with the investigation of only one case? Eric Holder isn't saying.

Welch's letter about Dannehy's findings reeks because of what it says--and what it does not say.

A reasonable person might expect that such a letter would outline, right up front, the legal standard Dannehy was using to determine whether crimes were or were not committed in the firings. But the Welch letter says nothing about it.

A prosecutor's normal standard is called "probable cause." Here is one definition of probable cause:

Apparent facts discovered through logical inquiry that would lead a reasonably intelligent and prudent person to believe that an accused person has committed a crime, thereby warranting his or her prosecution.


How important is this concept to a prosecutor? The American Bar Association's Model Rules of Professional Conduct state:

The prosecutor in a criminal case shall:

(a) refrain from prosecuting a charge that the prosecutor knows is not supported by probable cause;


Dannehy's findings, as spelled out in Welch's letter, are filled with enough probable cause to choke an elephant. But Dannehy apparently was looking for more than probable cause, the usual prosecutorial standard. She appointed herself judge and jury, too, ensuring that the American people would be forever hoodwinked on at least one chapter in the book of Bush-era sleaze.

A reasonable person might also expect that Dannehy's findings, as relayed by Welch, would include some citations to applicable law. After all, the letter is filled with conclusions of law. But she and Welch never tell us what that law is, never cite case law to support their findings. That's almost certainly because there is no case law to support the findings.

What is a citizen to do? We are to take the word of Nora "Trust Me" Dannehy.
And we are to do that even though we now know there is reason to question Dannehy's supposedly impeccable credentials.

How might Dannehy's findings be summarized? Here is our best shot: Were the firings politically motivated? Yes. Did they violate department principles? Yes. Were they possibly criminal? No.

If those findings seem contradictory to you, join the crowd.

Absurdities pile one on top of another as you get into the specifics of Dannehy's findings. Consider just three findings, involving the possible criminal charges in the case--obstruction of justice (18 U.S. Code 1503), theft of honest services (18 U.S. Code 1346), and false statements (18 U.S. Code 1001):

* Causing a U.S. attorney to be fired for political reasons is not an impediment to his official duties--Dannehy/Welch say the statute on obstruction of justice penalizes only forward-looking conduct that endeavors to "influence, obstruct, or impede." But they conclude that causing David Iglesias to be fired did not impede his work. We can only assume that Dannehy/Welch actually wrote this with a straight face.

* Bushies did not engage in undisclosed, biased decision making--Dannehy/Welch found the effort to remove Iglesias from office was not "a scheme to get him to use his Office in return for anything of value, including his continued employment." That, however, is not the standard set out for honest-services fraud. In fact, honest-services case law specifically states that it does not hinge on whether "anything of value" changes hands. The actual standard, the one Dannehy/Welch obviously don't want regular Americans to know about is this: Did public officials, in this case members and allies of the Bush administration, engage in "undisclosed, biased decision making" when they sacked David Iglesias? Given that Dannehy admits their motivations were political, the answer obviously is yes.

* You can make statements to Congress that are "inaccurate" and "misleading" but are not "knowingly false"--This is what Dannehy/Welch found regarding Bush-era Attorney General Alberto Gonzalez and his apparent false statements to Congress. How absurd is this conclusion? If a person makes a statement that is both inaccurate and misleading, that means it was made with intent, correct? After all, you can't unintentionally mislead someone. That means the statement was not just innocently inaccurate--it was knowingly false. And such statements are criminal.

For more details on Dannehy's legal conclusions please check out our earlier post:

Report on U.S. Attorney Firings Reads Like a Farce

All of this raises a disturbing question: Do Obama and Holder even want to be taken seriously on justice matters? Will Holder go down as "the most laughable attorney general in U.S. history"?

It could happen. But these are not laughing matters. And John Conyers should not treat them as such.

We don't pretend to be experts on Congressional authority, but it's our understanding that Conyers could decide to conduct his own investigation--looking not only into the U.S. attorney firings, but also political prosecutions under the Bush DOJ. Conyers already has indicated that he has serious problems with Dannehy's handiwork.

Congress has both oversight authority and the "power of the purse." Through much of the Bush presidency, evidence strongly indicates that taxpayer dollars were used not for legitimate justice matters but for political matters. Regardless of what "Trust Me" Dannehy wants us to believe, those actions were almost certainly criminal--there clearly is probable cause to bring criminal charges.

Conyers owes it to taxpayers and to Congress to conduct a broad and thorough investigation. If members of the Obama administration indeed have engaged in a coverup, that means some Democrats could get caught in Conyers' net?

Our response to that possibility? So be it.

The Obama administration has had some 19 months to show that it takes justice matters seriously. It has failed at every turn--and John Conyers should hold them accountable.

Americans simply must know the truth about the ugly deeds of the Bush Justice Department. It's critically important for us now, and it will be even more important for generations to come.

Scott Horton says Holder has helped set up a formula for disaster. And it must not be allowed to stand:

Dannehy's decision not to proceed is an open invitation to future administrations: the White House is free to manipulate the Department for political purposes, and Justice Department officials are free to lie to Congress.

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Thanks for this cogent and courageous analysis. Both holder and obama have failed to live up to their oaths of office and should be removed.

The friends I've lost for urging them to vote for this team of liars is secondary to the degree to which these thugs have set back the country. The letters I send to whitehouse.gov are a waste of time.

Additionally, they are both war criminals and should be prosecuted.

Congratulations on a well-deserved EP.


-R-
Congratulations on the EP. Another post that deserves much attention.

The Afghan War Diaries and Shirley Sherrod and Top Secret America and the New Black Panther Party all mean very few who blog regularly have given this the attention it deserves (including myself). Thanks for the post.
interesting this has so few readers and commenters. it's been made clear obama wasn't going to go after bush's goons and moderates have bought it. the question is: what purpose does it serve aside from whether it's right or wrong and in politics that is now and always will be relative. we'll be doing well if he isn't deballed in the midterms like clinton now that the racists and dingbats have been mobilized. but you know that--don't you?
I have no words to express my disappointment in Barack Obama and his cast of wannabes...and I thought nothing could be worse than Bush...
R
This is excellent work, Roger.

This adds to the list of Bush back scratching coming from the Holder DOJ and the Obama WH.

Even a novice in Constitutional Law can see the hypocrisy and blatant disregard of legal standards.

If this nation continues to shove it's head in the sand over the injustices and direct violations of the Constitution of the Bush years and continuing forward as Obama holds on to same policies and defends the actions of the past then we can never reclaim our nation from a downward spiral.
I guess we all voted for the left hand sock-puppet, same puppet-masters.
(R)ated for rabble-rousing.
Know what you left out of your post? The fact that these people serve at the pleasure of the President. They can be fired at any time with or without cause. The reason can be anything from I don't like short people to yes political to I just wanted to.

You also seemed to forget that President Clinton fired all but one of them. So why can President Clinton fire them all and President Bush can't? I think firing them all means he was trying to get rid of anyone that knows anything. Did you call for his head on a platter? Why not?

As for lying to Congress and making false statement, do you remember the famous line that starts "I didn't have sex..."? Seems he lied right up until "biological fluid" was found on someones clothing. Cum to think if it, didn't that also just happen to Al Gore? Seem like there was something wrong with that administration controlling where they make deposits.
if [a] you were a citizen in a democracy, and [b] you were unhappy about some policy or activity, you could [c] do something about it, by inviting action [d]with other concerned citizens through citizen initiative.

but a, c and d are untrue, so i wonder also about b.
This issue, similar to Bush's abuse of executive orders, have seemingly escaped scrutiny from the Obama administration (after they came into office). Perhaps the real reason for the whitewash is to avoid setting a precedent -- after all, the new administration is using the same tactics for much the same purposes -- for political gain. It's not Bush, but it is the same sleaze as before -- just with a shiny new jacket.
Catnlion, how long will it take you to understand that your forte is driving trucks and you are totally unable to comprehend anything beyond that?
@craxed czar, we all pick our handles (names), and Yours is quite appropriate, as truly, you have shown yourself to be crazed.

catnlion has been here long enough to show that driving a truck is his forte. Anything else is beyond his comprehension level. In the short time you've been here, you have shown that you would have difficulty, even being in the passenger seat.
Markinjapan, your initial comment was entertaining but your attacks on other commenters' intelligence is snide and undemocratic and contributes to the ugly tone in politics now. Are we not allowed to disagree anymore?
The failure to do anything with the New Black Panther case is a travesty. The Department of "Justice" needs to be cleansed. Start with Mr Holder and flush the toilet over there.
I'm going to sidestep the comments on here, which are veering unnecessarily into personal attacks, and thank you for highlighting this story. It's probably wise that people who thought politically-influenced decisions d of one sort or another would be forever sidelined when Obama was elected wake up to the truth of politics in Washington, D.C.

I suspect the Obama Administration is "playing it safe," i.e. not going where other DOJ investigations have (also) not gone before. From a political standpoint, I get it. From a judicial standpoint, I'm far less comfortable, but that's because rules of law appear to be once again in service to political expediency. I lived in Washington and worked briefly for an education lobbyist, so I saw it often, but we always wants to believe it will be different when "our" guys" are in office.

One thing I believe Obama indicated while he was still a candidate was that he would not focus on prosecuting Bush misdeeds. Whether you voted for him or not, whether you find this decision outrageous or not, I don't know why this outcome would be a surprise to anyone...R
Well reasoned. I have always harbored the fear that administrations don't like to overly investigate the prior administration because they know soon they will be someone's prior administration. It results in a kind of informal, unauthorized, and inappropriate diplomatic immunity via the prosecutorial equivalent of a pocket veto in most cases, though in the Ford/Nixon case the availability of the outright pardon was exercised.

I'm sure it's tricky because on the one hand it erodes the trust of the electorate to see crimes not brought to justice. Then again, the minority may feel there's a witchhunt. This is the truly corrosive effect of the Party of No. By adopting a binary tactical strategy that says everything the opposition party does is bad, they can't acknowledge tht some things might be ok, and that plays into feeling that an investigation at all is bad. In such a climate, it's quickly going to be apparent that there are no adults supervising, and that leaves things wide open for abuses of process all around, since people know prosecutions won't occur.

There is some risk of people feeling it's just political payback and that means any charges that are not solid should be quickly discharged in favor of focusing only on things of substance. But there are clearly some things for which a reasonable prima facie case can be made, and it should be up to the legal system, not personal discretion, to manage rebuttals since the whole point is to resolve the public's sense that something is not right. Transparency is key here beyond a certain point (which we are well past); lack of transparency is what created the problem and frankly it risks that this could grow to a prosecutable meta-case for the Obama administration.

It would be quite a sad situation if the Republicans came back to power and prosecuted first Obama's team for not cleaning house and then Bush's team for the original indiscretion (since they've largely disclaimed him anyway, and want distance from his financial debacle if not other matters, I wouldn't see politics leaving him safe). Obama is a middle-of-the-road conciliator, which is dangerous in certain kinds of politics to begin with, but which has no place in prosecution of the law. One does not compromise with criminals. I think he sees these people as politicians, not criminals, just as the Pope saw certain people as priests and not sexual offenders. But criminals can have day jobs, and those day jobs don't excuse the crimes.
markinjapan,

FYI, I sold all the businesses that were causing me stress. I got rid of all the employees that were causing me stress. I got rid of the 1" thick leases that were causing me stress. I got rid of the millions and millions of dollars in insurance policies that were causing me stress. Driving a truck pays better than you would think, but it's just me and my dog and no stress.

Now for a guy who has a bio that is anti everything it doesn't surprise me that you would post a personal attack and not address one of the points I mentioned.

How many of the U.S. attorneys did Clinton fire from the DOJ?
Was there semen on the blue dress?
Did Al Gore just have the same problem in a hotel?
Did Clinton say he did not have sexual relations with Monica?
Did he not lie about it and say he didn't?
Just for kicks, did he smoke the cigar after he was done using it on Monica?

The mark of a weak, aka wrong, argument is to avoid what they say and attack the person who said it. So let's start with answering the questions which are simple yes/no questions so they can't be spun until we are dizzy.
"Dannehy's decision not to proceed is an open invitation to future administrations: the White House is free to manipulate the Department for political purposes, and Justice Department officials are free to lie to Congress."

Oh, the horror of it all! Your panties are all in a wad. What else is new and what else do you expect? These are political appointees and serve at the pleasure of the President. While I'm sure that Conyers can be relied upon to join your crusade to criminalize political differences, holding him out as some paragon of virtue is utterly laughable. Worse than laughable...it's the economy, stupid...and anything, such as this beltway kerfluffle, that distracts from it is simply fueling the anger of the American people.
See, cat, one of the reasons I continuously get on your case is you choose to set the discourse like a 6th grader. The topic of the blog post is the Holder Justice Department and questionable activities during the Bush administration.

Now you tell me the mark of one unable to discus the isues is to ignore your inane questions:

"How many of the U.S. attorneys did Clinton fire from the DOJ?
Was there semen on the blue dress?
Did Al Gore just have the same problem in a hotel?
Did Clinton say he did not have sexual relations with Monica?
Did he not lie about it and say he didn't?
Just for kicks, did he smoke the cigar after he was done using it on Monica?"

The question you pose have ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with the subject of the post, and almost, any and all posts that pertain to current or recent wrongdoing cause you to enter a time warp and try and discuss the Clinton years.

Does that my point make any sense to you?

I thought not.
Furthermore your obsession with clinton era sex crimes (and now, gore, perhaps), while you steadfastly refuse to comment about illegal wars, civilian casualties, torture, etc. show that your value system is a "bit" askew.

The slightest democratic indiscretion is a big deal with you, yet you excuse whatever republican activities regardless of the degree on immorality.

In your blog, you, even, make an exceedingly lame attempt to justify torture. Got any morals much? - I'd say no.
Eric Holder's DOJ is involved in more than one cover-up. The DOJ is a corrupt organization that helped Shelby County Jail in Memphis, Tennessee avoid accountability after the secret arrest and murder of a mentally, physically handicapped American, my brother Larry Neal. See http://WrongfulDeathOfLarryNeal.com - The jail was already under a lawsuit by the USA in 2003 when the lifelong schizophrenic heart patient was secretly arrested. Police were fed up with Larry singing loud and disturbing the peace and had arrested him numerous times over the 20 years since he was "de-institutionalized" after decades in a mental hospital in the 70's. Police knew if they kept Larry under secret arrest for weeks while denying to his family and social worker that he was in jail, Larry would die without his heart drugs. If police did more to kill the man they considered a nuisance like using a restraint chair, Taser, or if they used him for waterboarding practice for enhanced interrogation experts, his family does not know it. In the seven years since Larry's murder, authorities kept his death out of mainstream news, and neither Shelby County Jail nor the USDOJ that was in direct overview of the facility will release any records or give his family any explanation about his secret arrest and death. In fact, the DOJ allowed Shelby County Jail to submit known perjury in the federal hearings for the jail to gain release from USDOJ overview. The jail was placed under DOJ overview in 2000 following lawsuit by the USA for many horrible violations of inmates' civil rights, especially sick Americans. Unfortunately, jails and prisons became America's mental institutions in the 1970's, and hundreds of thousands of severe mental patients transitioned from hospitals to jails, just like Larry did. The DOJ is the agency that Americans depend on to protect the rights of institutionalized persons, minorities, and Americans with disabilities, but officials at the DOJ do not take any of those duties seriously. Rather than upholding Larry's right to life and investigating his secret murder behind bars, the DOJ joined in the murder cover-up. Shelby County Jail was supposed to make reports to the DOJ about any inmate injuries and deaths, but the DOJ claimed in 2005 that it got no reports whatsoever about Larry's arrest and murder. However, the DOJ did nothing about his death when I sent his death certificate, autopsy report, and information about his secret arrest and claimed that it had received no reports from the time period while Larry was under arrest (probably to prevent giving Larry's family proof that reports that Shelby County made for July and August 2003 were fraudulent). It was surprising when in 2006, the DOJ allowed Shelby County Jail to admit fraudulent testimony and records during the jail's release hearings that omitted reporting Larry's arrest and death. Rather than protecting Larry's right to life and his survivors' right to due process of law, the DOJ and Shelby County Jail colluded to defraud the USA regarding violations related to the Agreement reached in the lawsuit, USA vs. Shelby County Jail, by withholding any reports about Larry Neal. Eric Holder's DOJ REFUSES to answer my May 2009 Freedom of Information Act request about Larry's secret death and his murder cover-up. See it at this link: http://www.nowpublic.com/health/foi-request-usdoj-re-larry-neal-and-cochran-firm-fraud . I am censored, stalked online and in person to prevent the public from knowing about Larry's elaborate murder cover-up, which was facilitated by The (Johnnie) Cochran Firm, which was supposed to be working as our wrongful death attorneys. It is a long story that you learn about by browsing for "Cochran Firm Fraud." I have a YouTube channel for you to see the sabotage that is done to my Internet communication to censor news about this at jkempp703. The DOJ is a criminal agency that cares nothing whatsoever about protecting citizens' civil and human rights. Eric Holder's DOJ does nothing to correct abuses of power that happened under the Bush administration, including a murder cover-up regarding a harmless, middle-aged black handicapped citizen who died in government custody.

Mary Neal
markinjapan

The point is, you can't get past President Bush for some reason. You have it in your head that he did all these things and he should rot in jail for them. My point is President Clinton did they same things and I don't see you having a problem with him.

You claim the wars are illegal. You forget that Congress has the keys. If Congress really wanted them over, it would happen in a couple months when they cut off all funds for the wars. How many times has the House under dear Nancy and the Senate under Harry the deal maker voted for money to continue the wars?

For a very long time the president has had the power to use troops for a limited number of days until Congress could be briefed. This was put into place to make it quick to get troops where they were needed. However, after they are there, it's up to Congress to continue to fund them or not. BTW, didn't President Clinton send troops to a bunch of the former Soviet Bloc countries? Why haven't you been jumping up and down about that?

You are upset that President Bush fired a few of the U.S. Attorneys. President Clinton fired all but one of them! Where is you rage about that? They were all bad? President Clinton didn't "engage in "undisclosed, biased decision making""? You mean he had good reasons to fire them all? You forgot to mention that they don't need a reason to fire any of them. They also don't have to give anyone a reason to fire one or all of them.

You said "while you steadfastly refuse to comment about illegal wars, civilian casualties, torture, etc" so let me help you with these so we are clear.

The wars are not illegal. You have never show me where they are and as stated above Congress disagrees with you. As for civilian casualties, well the military has to jobs. To break things and kill people. Their job is simple. I haven't seen a post about how we carpet bombed whole cities until they were gone. I haven't heard you about Germany and how they aimed V rockets at the cities in the UK. I haven't heard you about the use of Scud missiles. Where are you on missiles being fired at the cities of Israeli? When are you going to condemn the people doing that?

I didn't think you would. It wasn't done by President Bush.

Did anybody lie to Congress during the Bush years? Tell me the lie. I can point to lies by President Clinton that you seem to not care about. Did you write those lies? I didn't think so. It wasn't Bush.

You think people were tortured? Have you any idea what it's like to go to E&E and POW training in the military? We do to our guys and girls way more than what you think is torture. Have you written about what we do to our own people in training? Why not? Torture is torture right? A little water up your nose is not torture.

There is nothing wrong with my value system. I know exactly where reality ends and the edge of time and space that some of the liberals around here live in begins. For lots of people here the world is President Bush's fault. You have your belief. You refuse to answer questions about it because you know it's BS and you can't stand to answer the questions.

For some here, reality is in a whole different dimension. Kind of like Alice in Wonderland.
Trying to explain anything to you would be more fruitful if I tried to explain it to th dog that accompanies you. You see only the portions of the story you want to, and I think faux news, at home and beck and lush on the road are your constant companions.

Your obsession with Clinton's sexual misconduct have consumed any morality you may have once had.

Comparing military SERE training with actual torture is just sick and perverted.

Clinton was not the first to dismiss attorneys in bulk:

"By tradition, U.S. Attorneys are replaced only at the start of a new White House administration. U.S. Attorneys hold a "political" office, and therefore they are considered to "serve at the pleasure of the President." At the beginning of a new presidential administration, it is traditional for all 93 U.S. Attorneys to submit a letter of resignation. When a new President is from a different political party, almost all of the resignations will be eventually accepted.[177] The attorneys are then replaced by new political appointees, typically from the new President's party.[178][178][179]"

What Gonzalez did was an aberration never before done:

"The dismissal of U.S. Attorneys controversy was initiated by the unprecedented[1] midterm dismissal of seven United States Attorneys on December 7, 2006 by the George W. Bush administration's Department of Justice. Congressional investigations focused on whether the Department of Justice and the White House were using the U.S. Attorney positions for political advantage. Allegations were that some of the attorneys were targeted for dismissal to impede investigations of Republican politicians or that some were targeted for their failure to initiate investigations that would damage Democratic politicians or hamper Democratic-leaning voters.[2][3] The U.S. attorneys were replaced with interim appointees, under provisions in the 2005 USA PATRIOT Act reauthorization.[4][5][6][7][8]"

If someone can't understand the straightforward way wikipedia compiles info, than it's doubtful they can understand anything.

I hold obama's feet to the fire more strongly than I held bush's.

I've driven over the road vehicles and know the enjoyment. In fact, I even enjoyed several of your accounts, but when it comes to politics, you are in WAY over your head, constantly.
How could I overlook this one:

"Did anybody lie to Congress during the Bush years?"

The question would be better stated as , "Did anyone in that administration NOT lie to Congress?"

You're a moron -- go play in someone else's playpen -- There are people less stupid than you (yes, I know it's hard to believe) with whom intelligent discourse is possible.

Say what you want -- I'm done with you.
The prosecution of Cyril Wecht is as bad as the Siegelman affair. They could just never get a conviction...

Obama's non-action on Bush sets a terrifying precedent. Let's assume that Obama himself does not invade Venezuela or Iran. Assuming Obama's DOJ stays on the See-no-Evil, Hear-no-Evil course, what in the world will stop the next Republican that gets in the from committing Imperial Crimes as egregious as Bush?

The Iraq War is the most blatant. And Canty Lion, everyone here is pointing to Obama's cowardice so it is really more of a respect for the rule of law that is at play here than partisanship.

We have the greatest and clearest legal precedent with which to prosecute the Bush administration. It is called Nuremberg. After the Nuremberg trials, people were hung for crimes less severe than the Iraq War. And no, those crimes did not involve jizz stained dresses...
Yes yes yes all presidents have been dirty. The question is really as a result how much damage have they done as a result.
Bush:
1. OK'd Torture of POW's
2. Wrote and got passed the worst violation of privacy act *EVER*(AKA Patriot Act)
3. Put special provisions in an environmental act to let companies get away with killing of millions of acre's of usable land to the point its not usable for anything. Essentially a mini atom bomb blew up millions of acre's of land through out the west and NE.
4. Got us involved heavily into the AFGAN war.
5. Did away with tax laws that hurt the US economy AND set the stage (ie time bomb for the banking bailout).
6. Let MADOFF get away with his stealing of billions as the department that was supposed to catch this type of guy were sitting around looking at porn rather than working. He only got caught because people went around the SEC to alert news papers and they (newspapers) forced the issue.

Obama:
1. Made many promises during the election and has kept only easy few.
2. Helped pass a badly needed health reform law. Probably the one big reason why we needed it was that the insurance companies were trying to screw the policy holders.
3. Fired some lawyers (sorry no matter which president fired them) lawyers have zero sympathy from me.
4. Has trusted the previous president on Afghanistan and has gone along with previous (NAD) policies.

Bush in the first 2 items has done way more damage than Obama both internally and foreign relations have suffered tremendously. We are no longer a nation where people think that people are honest now we are no better than the communist.
Seriously,
congratulation on a excellent read.
EP. Yes.
Comments sure get me thinking.
You wonder?
How much TP do they steal, paper,
yellow legal notepads, # 2- pencils,
roaches, leech, parasite, chewgum,
Milky Ways, Tootsie Rolls, Snicker,
commode seats, Mick Mouse Hats,
Yard sale toaster with holy Swiss,
Yale, Duke, Harvard, GED sheep`
Skins,
Old onion skin typewriter paper,
and what about when they die?

Will these lawyers be faxed?
Play Sax, violin, bang bongo?
Wash clothes with washboard?
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I am just say`
If you wrote`
Bush's gang`
You get email`
QUIT. etc.,`
Beware.
They get real`
NASTY. (Bush)`
I was not gonna`
turn this on again`
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Relaunch . Woe.
on and on. Woe.
Awesome. Woe.
I am saying this`
Care is courage.