explains a lot ron

Ron, just did a post on this myself, except I go off on her ass. How dare she write this shit, tell this stuff, while John is not around to tell his side. She can say anything she wants to, who would know. I do know she brings her ass out of hibernation every few years to write a book and make money. Good Post, Ron!!

There are times, reading the news, that I think Freud was right after all. Before he recanted, I mean...

@KOB, Yes indeed.....

@Scanner, I just put it out there in my post...but I agree that pointing fingers and making accusations about someone dead for 8 years is a bit much and Oprah is a bit over-the-top allowing unsubstantiated claims about a deceased man to be made on her show...Maybe she is biased because she claims to have been a victim of incest herself...

@myriad, Freud's recant was not voluntary...If memeory serves...

Ugh. I don't even want to think about this. Brain Bleach, please!!!

@MR, Get your own!

I don't get it....on her wedding night?! That stuff usually begins way before that if it's going to happen. I just don't get it.

I saw a VH1 documentary a few years back where MP chronicled the heavy drug use within the family. I had a close friend share with me how her father had sexually abused her while under the influence. So, I know these types of things can happen.

This whole business about a 10-year affair beginning on the evening prior to her wedding sounds a bit suspect. The only discernable truth here is that MP is pimping out her dead daddy. It’s strictly cash for trash.

I agree with Kind of Blue. Explains a lot. I feel horribly sorry for her, not sure how comfortable I am with her disclosure of it. We have a voyeuristic attitude in this country, love to devour the secrets of the famous. The clip I saw a couple of days ago showed her talking about sex with Mick Jagger, who apparently had been waiting for it for a long time. Good post, though, Ron, since her book is coming out and will likely sell like hotcakes to those who don't mind seeing the seedier side of California Dreamin'.

@SD, Is there anything people won't do for money?

@KR, It appears tha there is a goodly amount of California schemin' going on as well.........Thanks for your insight and comment....

@pk, That's what makes the whole thing suspect....As scanner indicates in his post...

She claims the incest went on for ten years. But she was a grown, engaged, and about-to-be-married, woman when it began, according to her....

She claims she ended the relationship with her father when she became pregnant and couldn't determine who the father was....So now she is admitting to adultery due to an icestuous relationship with her father....

Thanks for the comment......

So, so sad. So wrong on every level for a father to abuse a precious daughter in this way. She will never be the same. Not to mention the drug addiction he provided her. Horrific. Shocking. He'd have gone to prison for a very long time had he lived. She is brave to finally get this out there. Can't be easy for her.

If someone hasn't already said it, she's just pimping her new book.
The sexual abuse took place when she was 19 and she let it go on.
And now (30 year late on the cusp of the release of her memoir) is when she decides to tell the world? Come on!

I just hope this helps people identify and come out about such things.

I'm torn about this. I know far too many incest/rape survivors, and I know it can take an awful long time for secrets to be shared.
I am wondering this, though: why jump to the defense of John Phillips? Are we confusing the fact that he made great music with his character? Is it not possible (as we've seen many times) that public and private personae are radically different?
I'm not trying to start an argument. I'm just curious. Why is she seen as a horrible person for revealing what (may) have happened to her?

@Cathy, How is any of this 'revelation' verifiable? How does her abuse begin at age 19, on the eve of her wedding, and last for 10 years without a hint of resistance or outcry on her part...She's now 49 years old, 8 years after her father's death. She has made more than her share of money and stands to make a lot more with her new book, which contains the sordid 'details'. As an attorney I would not find it difficult to defend her father....

@Trudge, Has she helped or hurt the cause of those who have in fact been victimized in this way? I think she has left a great deal of room to doubt her story. Perhaps too much room.....

I'm not familiar with her story, so you might be right. But if it opens dialog, it can be helpful.

@LB, Isn't that the problem, how can we know whether she is telling the truth? Can you identify any cases of incestuous abuse of independently wealthy women who were free enough from their abuser to be married for the entire period during which the incest took place? This story would be hard to swallow under normal circumstrances...However, in this case, the accused is dead there's a book that needs to be promoted to be profitable, and there is a history of "tell all" with this person which raises suspicion....

@Trudge, Dialogue is always good when couched in truth and reality.........

wow, i don't know what to say to that. it does explain a lot, as KOB says.

I think we hear about a tiny percentage of cases like this, and I'm always inclined to accept rather than reject these stories. Many women who have been abused by family members have VERY mixed feelings about it, and most are not comfortable talking about it until years later, after the perpetrator is dead. If you choose to reject their story outright, how likely is it that they will come forward? Do you all know how common this kind of thing is? My spouse was abused by her grandfather and her brother. I have known many women who were abused by fathers and brothers. Women carry around huge amounts of guilt and shame over this, often believing it was their fault somehow, or that whatever physical pleasure they derive from it makes them BAD people.

Getting the story out in the open is part of the healing process. And we're not even talking about boys here, who are even more at risk for speaking out. That's a whole 'nother ball of wax.

What sort of proof do you think would be conclusive for you? Videotape? Private medical reports? Police reports? There isn't proof in most cases, but I doubt very few of these stories.

Myriad, I agree: Freud called it correctly the first time. For all the nutty stuff he wrote, he has made invaluable contributions to our understanding of human behavior and thought processes.

@Parrotdead, I agree that if the story is true it does explain a lot....

@LB, "Proof" isn't the operative term here. Although, if the accused were on trial, proof would indeed be required...What is being discussed in essence is the lack of corroboration and the context or framework in which the accusation is made...The subject is a difficult one to navigate under the best of circumstances and conditions...It is in tha regard I don't think that a publisher's office or Oprah's couch is either the best or the first place to begin the process of healing...An objective look at the facts of this matter does raise some serious and legitimate doubts...And, while I wouldn't summarily dismiss the story I would employ a healthy dose of skepticism... and take the whole thing from this particular individual with a grain of salt....

Gadzooks! Another catharsis for cash ploy mon?
Selling books, and sell outs, smells like another bailout... Who knows, too sad to swallow without a good chew for me Ron...

@pd, A nettlesome subject but worth the effort at sorting it out...It makes us better for doing so......

I'm not sure what to make of this. Usually I would give the benefit of the doubt to the woman making the claim, but it's not automatic in this case. I find the story believeable in the context of the heavy drug use, but I'm not sure that even if completely true whether we can consider an "independent" adult as a victim at all like a child would be.

@BL, A sick environment will produce sickness and make a lot of people sick...

@SM, Precisely, my line of reasoning......

I missed that she claims it didn't start until she was 19 years old.
Sorry. :(

Heavy drug users, especially heroin addicts, aren't usually that interested in sex. Just sayin'.

Very sad. If it is true then it is hers to tell .. . but if the sordid and sad and horrible is what she has to produce to pay a mortgage . . . I simply wish she would speak with thereapists instead.

She always impressed me as being a skank. I don't believe Mick Jagger was waiting to boink her for 10 years, he can have anyone, why would he want her?

Her allegations may or may not be true, sounds pretty far fetched to me, the story made me throw up in my mouth though, especially when she told about having an abortion because she didn't know if the baby's father was her Dad or her husband. Yuck. Skank.

@LB, I believe a lot of reflexively sympathetic commenters are missing that singular yet central fact...

@EP, So true....And with a MARRIED daughter?

@DF, I'm sure "O" made a referral to Dr. Phil......

@Ablonde, The whole thing does seem rather shoddy....Oprah will have a lot of egg on her face if contrary facts ever come to light....

Too freaking bizarre.

@SL, Excellent choice of words.......

Good grief - this 'discussion' sounds so illiterate to me. I thought Leslie Basden's comment was on the money, until he recanted when he found out MP was 19 (maybe he didn't know that her dad intro'd her to cocaine at 11 and then showed her how to shoot up at age 14)...the word 'consensual' does not and cannot apply to this incestuous relationship. Doesn't anyone here know anything about childhood sexual abuse?

And, if John Phillips were here to deny the accusations? Oooooh, now THAT would make me puke. NOT rated.