These are long videos to watch. Do you promise me that they're compelling?:)

"And you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free."--John 8:32

Straight up Roger, they are both worth the time. Your money back if not delighted..........or should I say sickened to the pit of your stomach.

sorry, i could only make it thru 6 minutes of the first video. it does seem interesting and with proofs, too. maybe i'll watch it another time and not bedtime. zzzzzzzzzz

True, the videos are long, but worth the time. In the first video they have, essentially, agreeing testimony from over a dozen eyewitnesses that contradicts the official story. The second video has one assertion that i thought was a bit farfetched, but 9/11 video of the twin towers attacks shows one of the planes with the windows either blacked out or not there which would indicate a cargo or tanker configuration and not a commercial airliner which may have been flown in the manner they indicate (that photo analysis of the plane is not on the second video, you'll have to hunt for it on the internet.)

The first video has data provided by the government, that when analyzed by a group of pilots--many with over 10k hours flight time-- is scientifically proven to be false, and when this is coupled with the eyewitness testimony, you an only draw one conclusion.

The problem with conspiracies like this -- if they are indeed conspiracies -- is that it's hard to believe that someone involved wouldn't come forward. For the money alone -- headlines, book deal, etc. It's very hard to keep a secret, especially when others are involved.

So you are saying Bush and the conservatives destroyed the WTC just to invade Iraq? Shocking!

Yeah, I tell ya John, the balls it would have taken to do this are incredible. There are many questions, with utterly nauseating answers, that arise from this as well such as what happened to the passengers. If this was a false flag operation, then the passengers would have been taken somewhere and killed, but if you are orchestrating such an evil plot, then murdering a few more innocent civilians is no big deal.

If one looks at all the newly discovered facts though, the logical conclusion IS that someone had some huge balls and took a big risk, but the payoff was big too. Destroy evidence of where 2.3 trillion defense department dollars went. The Israelis were creaming their pants over the attack as they knew our resolve to protect them would strengthen. Large scale conflicts tend to thin out populations and defense contractors prosper, putting people back to work.

I think the money and politics involved make the false flag scenario very possible. It sounds crazy (and I probably am a nutjob), but look objectively at the facts.........what other logical conclusion can be drawn?

I think there were other reasons behind it too Ocular.

I havent seen these videos, but a big "right on" for the subj.
much more on 911 "false flag" on my blog

I watched about 15 minutes of the first video. It's funny how much of the "evidence" the declare definitive is only definitive if you first assume a conspiracy and cover-up. If you don't, some of it is just the nature of things (like there not being specific records of where the light poles fell: at worst, that indicates sloppy investigative techniques during a time in which people might be excused for focusing on other aspects of the crash). Other parts (like the crash angle) would require a massive cover-up, since not only did the 9-11 commission investigate, but independent institutions did as well. Was Purdue University involved in the cover-up/conspiracy? If not, why did their acclaimed engineering department draw the same conclusion? Perhaps it's because the evidence lead them there?

If you're into conspiracy theories, I suppose it's a fun video. But the bits I watched don't contain anything to compel me to watch more.

You need to watch them both Spec. BTW, how much government grant money does Perdue get? Does any large university get? Follow the money.

They're not compelling enough to merit watching.

How much money did Perdue get? By your reasoning, nearly all public information is corrupt, since somebody got paid. But if Perdue were paid enough to provide financial incentives so great to overcome all the other compelling reasons somebody would come forward, that in-and-of-itself would be such a large—and public—red flag that it would be investigated. Investigative engineering teams require a lot of people to touch the data. It's absurd to think that not a single one of them wouldn't speak out about the most significant government cover-up of out time. It's much more probable that the conspiracy theorists are wrong.

Remember Spec, the small players know if they talk, they die. Watch the videos and learn. There is big money and big people involved in this. While not all public info may be corrupt, much of what comes out of universities that get big gov. funding is.....look at the global warming scam.

I shouldn't reply, but I can't help myself.

Let's pretend that Perdue was paid to fudge the results of their tests and that several people involved in the process decided they couldn't keep quiet about this. If just one of them goes to the media and then dies, the rogue elements of the government behind this (because this would certainly be rogue elements, even if you postulate those elements include the President) would only expose themselves more by killing the person who went to the media.

Engineers are fairly smart people who are technologically adept. They could communicate via proxies and encryption to ensure they are not identified as the leaker.

It is vastly more plausible that they examined the data and drew the conclusions they presented. That doesn't mean that there weren't errors in their conclusion, but it makes it more likely that the two (or more) engineering groups working with all the data that came to the same conclusion have a better understanding of what happened that an "independent" investigative team working without all the data and driven by the assumption that there was a cover up.

In the part that I watched, the principle counter-evidence seemed to come from "eyewitnesses." As a viewer, we have no idea if the eyewitnesses exist, and if they do exist, how reliable their memories are. They were eyewitnesses to a horrible event. That makes their memory suspect (actually, all eyewitnesses are prone to unreliability). Moreso, we don't know how they were interviewed: were the questions leading, so that people with unclear memories might mentally reform their recollections to match the questioner's assumptions? Did the interviewers reject people who didn't confirm their beliefs?

Why do you find these people—who you know nothing about—more credible than the bi-partisan 9-11 Commission? If the Perdue team put together a video with all of their evidence laid out, would you find that as credible? Or does the association with the Government automatically make you suspect corruption?

rwnutjob, we agree on a lot, but you guys who insist on a 911 conspiracy still can't provide what is typically necessary to prove guilt in a court of law. Motive.

For me to believe that this thing was orchestrated means I would have to suspend rational consideration for every system in the world. All of the financial, social, military, religious institutions were out of the loop. And then actually believe that all of the other organizations that would have to be involved, like local, municipal, county & state agencies and all of the people that would have to be complicit, either didn't know or were in the loop and have kept silent. The stretch is one that I am not willing to make.

Now, here is the other point. I am more of a conspiracy believer than most. You see, I believe that we are living in the end times and I do believe that we are seeing an orchestration of the hearts of men. As we see the moral fabric of our world deteriorate, we will see a call to more centralized government. The simple cause for this is that people do not trust their own moral judgment and they will buy into a "collective" moral code that will satisfy the need to belong to the "higher cause" or "greater good" of humanity. They will abandon the will to worship their creator and set up a man they think represents themselves. (self worship)

I do believe that this idea means that if these events are to happen soon, those people who will fill those roles must be alive and active in politics today.

Specular, just look at who was on the 9/11 commission. The government IS corrupt, that is always the assumption to work from.

Philos, I am usually on the same page with you too. It is the totality of the anomalous evidence that makes the case for me, not just one or two items. As to motive, sometimes the motive is never learned, but that does not negate the homocide that was committed. The motives in this case were money and power and just being evil.

I agree that we are in the end times. There's just too much going on that has the potential for catastrophic consequences. Thanks for commenting Philos.

VZN, I did not mention the thermite, but that is good evidence in support of controlled demolition. (Particularly WTC-7, for which there is no other plausible explaination. )

I'll have to look at these later ... Do I think there's some stuff about 9/11 I don't know? Yes, but I don't put too much stock in a vast conspiracy mostly because I don't think America is that organized as a whole (ref: uncoordinated response to Hurricane Katrina), and because the payout vs the gamble is huge.

At most, I can say that we let down our guard, and, at its most conspiratorial, subconsciously did so.

Rob, thanks for stopping by. I used to think as you do, but evidence is evidence. Perhaps one day we will get the whole story, whatever that may ultimately be.

9/11 wasn't a conspiracy BY our government. People put together things like this to exacerbate our fears. I've worked with the big G too long to beleive it is capable of covering up a teaspoon of spilled milk, let alone 9/11. Though I'm usually the first to jump on a conspiracy bandwagon for the sheer joy of the paranoid mindset (it's a rush), this one I simply can't attest to. I put more stock in my favorite CT, which is the anartic tunnel for the Catholic/Nazi/Alien Alliance. As entertainment, Conspiracy Theories are great. Thanks for the post.

I'll eventually get to the Nazi/Alien alliance 39FAR, in the meantime though, I think we have some bad eggs in gov. with some big stones.

On this tragic anniversary, I did some reading about the conspiracy theories. Popular Mechanics did a nice debunking of all the various conspiracy theories. http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html?page=1

I read the popular Mechanics article spec. It's crap. Facts are facts. The Mossad had advance knowledge of the plot, the Jewish owned WTC bldgs were losing money, our own gov. had to cover up the missing 2.3 TRILLION dollars from the defense department. Match made in Hell.

What's a few thousand dead if you need to cover massive DoD theft and you'd also like a nice insurance payout for your money losing skyscrapers.