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OCTOBER 10, 2009 10:10AM

OATH KEEPERS

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What is Oath Keepers:

Oath Keepers is a non-partisan association of currently serving military, reserves, National Guard, veterans, Peace Officers, and Fire Fighters who will fulfill the Oath we swore, with the support of like minded citizens who take an Oath to stand with us, to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic, so help us God. Our Oath is to the Constitution

What does that mean?

1. We will NOT obey orders to disarm the American people.

2. We will NOT obey orders to conduct warrantless searches of the American people.

3. We will NOT obey orders to detain American citizens as “unlawful enemy combatants” or to subject them to military tribunal.

4. We will NOT obey orders to impose martial law or a “state of emergency” on a state.

5. We will NOT obey orders to invade and subjugate any state that asserts its sovereignty.

6. We will NOT obey any order to blockade American cities, thus turning them into giant concentration camps.

7. We will NOT obey any order to force American citizens into any form of detention camps under any pretext.

8. We will NOT obey orders to assist or support the use of any foreign troops on U.S. soil against the American people to “keep the peace” or to “maintain control."

9. We will NOT obey any orders to confiscate the property of the American people, including food and other essential supplies.

10.We will NOT obey any orders which infringe on the right of the people to free speech, to peaceably assemble, and to petition their government for a redress of grievances.

Who founded this group?

Stewart Rhodes

Stewart is the founder and Director of Oath Keepers. He served as a U.S. Army paratrooper until disabled in a rough terrain parachuting accident during a night jump.

He is a former firearms instructor and former member of Rep. Ron Paul’s DC staff.

Stewart currently writes the monthly Enemy at the Gates column for S.W.A.T. Magazine

Stewart graduated from Yale Law School in 2004, where his paper “Solving the Puzzle of Enemy Combatant Status” won Yale’s Miller prize for best paper on the Bill of Rights. He assisted teaching U.S. military history at Yale, was a Yale Research Scholar, and is writing a book on the dangers of applying the laws of war to the American people.

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I just found about this group. This isn't about right or left, Democrat or Republican, it's about protecting our constitution.

Right now about 3% of our military belongs to this group and it's numbers are growing fast. I am not a member, but will join as an associate if funds permit. (Things are tight for me right now)

The reason I am posting this is because I now feel like our situation is not hopeless. We now have a core group of military and law enforcement who WILL NOT be following orders to round up an exterminate or otherwise take action against their fellow Americans. This is important. We know some of what was going on under Bush 43 and we know Obama is continuing much of this stuff. The FEMA camps were set up by Reagan back in 1984, but for the non-nefarious purposes for which they are now envisioned.

Oath Keepers gives us an important and powerful ally in defense of the constitution and our liberties.

Please Digg and Reddit this and pass this post along to anyone you think may still care about our country. The good guys may finally be getting a foothold against the evil elite who are planning our demise.

Link: http://oathkeepers.org/oath/

                             Oath Keepers

The above photo shows an Oath Keeper patch being worn by an active  duty soldier in Mosul, Iraq. 

 

 

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The first step has been taken.
Carrying private arms is an offence against God and one's fellow men and women. In British countries the right to bear arms is vested in the Queen who is advised by and always acts on the advice of the demoncratically elected majority Government. The right to bear arms privately is as absurd as the right of private interpretation of scripture. Christ established the Church as the sacred guardian of truth, and it is not for individuals to make up their own oaths and rules of conduct, or to use arms in any way contrary to the decisions of the demoncratically elected majority.

God Bless Everyone ... Friar Hilarius
Well I guess some ungodly gremlin changed democratically to demoncratically LOL

Would someone kindly note that and change the text to read "democratically"

Friar Hilarius
I do not delete comments Friar and, unfortunately, on OS we must live with our typos and spelling errors that appear in our replies.

Also, from your reply, it appears as though you could use a stiff drink.
I don't believe the additional oath is neccisary. The one I took for the U.S. Army covers it. I also do not believe that any of the feared actions will ever take place in our nation. Other, less developed, less democratic countries, yes. My country? Newp. Too many people willing to uphold and defend the Constitution, with force of arms if required. It's a nice sentiment for civilians though. If we look up the definition of Millitia, it actually covers every able male of the appropriate age, regardless of choice. Those able have not only a right but a responsiblity to be well armed, proficient and ready to defend our nation against all enemies foreign and domestic. I think we need to update that to every man and woman citizen who's not a felon. That's just my take on it.
Oh, btw that patch is not authorized IAW AR 670-1.
You would think that the one oath you took would cover it Andy, but, in survey after survey, we see the lack of knowledge of basic American history in today's youth and a good portion of our older folks too.

AH quote: "Those able have not only a right but a responsiblity to be well armed, proficient and ready to defend our nation against all enemies foreign and domestic. I think we need to update that to every man and woman citizen who's not a felon." I would agree with that, but modify it to add that it depends on the felony. Some states have pretty screwy definitions of what constitutes a felony.

Also, most folks today do not have the innate ability or proper training or the mindset to defend the country as they should. Oath Keepers may serve a good purpose for that reason, but I see and understand your point.
Friar, it is an irony no doubt lost on you that the 4th amendment to the US Constitution (along with the 1st and 2nd, and possibly others) was added by popular demand due to past oppression by the British crown.

I haven't looked into this oath keepers thing. It reads Libertarian. I find myself agreeing with some of its tenets, though not all. I am troubled by the fear that drives it, though, and plan to devote more investigation and thought to what may be underneath it.
Rich, investigate as you will, but deep down, you, like many of us , know the underlying causes of our problems. I think many of us were always hoping what we were seeing would not lead us to the spot we are in today. It's not a political party issue so much as it is a basic human nature and characteristic issue.
Rw, I think that those of us who are well armed and proficient have a responsiblity to educate, train and arm our fellow citizens. The gun lobby needs to grow, not stagnate. As far as felons are concerned, I'd be very careful with it. The pledge of allegence should also cover most of this as well, if you think about it.
The spoofy 'offense against God' post was funny, because it was obviously satire. No one could actually believe that. God send us John Moses Browning for a reason. (Even if you believe as I do that God is an emergent principle as a result of pancomputational discordianism.)
The fact that we've slacked in our responsibilites is no excuse not to voluenteer your time at a range, speak to people about firearms saftey and proper use, or to help out at a hunters saftey course. Our nation needs a core of responsible, armed citizens. Without that, we are sheep for the slaughter. We're no where near that yet, but if we don't remain vigiliant and continue to educate and carry on the tradition of gun ownership, we may be there someday. Sorry for hijacking your post, got passionate.
RW, this is indeed idealistic and I appreciate the passion behind it. But is it just me, or is there a contradiction in the mission statement? It speaks of "an Oath to stand with us, to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic." This is fine, except that the Constitution is interpreted by the Supreme Court and enforced by the President. If the group's goals collide with the decisions of these Constitutionally defined powers, i.e. if it breaks the law of the land in the support of these goals, aren't the members actually violating the Constitution as it defines itself? Or does the group obey a higher authority? I'm just trying to figure out where you guys stand.
Admirable and probable necessary given what we've seen in Pittsburgh and elsewhere. Unfortunately, there are plenty of mercernaries to take the place of any Oath Keepers.
Andy, while we still have a core of responsible armed citizens, they are dwindling due to various reasons. I think we are a lot closer to the slaughter than many folks think.

Alan, it is not the Supreme Court's job to interpret the Constitution any more than it is for a Christian pastor to interpret the Bible. It is their job to EXPLAIN the Constitution to those who do not understand what they have read. (Or who have elected to mis-interpret the meaning of a passage for personal or political reasons. The Constitution is not a "living document" though it can be amended. Oath Keepers just attempts to stick with the true meaning of the Constitution.
True NWYE, but Oath Keepers are active duty, on the job military and lawenforcement.
This is a confusing piece, mostly for reasons that others have commented on.

At least Stewart Rhodes proves that he's not just another garden variety Obama hater by laying the blame for all of this on Bush.
There's certainly plenty of blame to go around Roger. I do not think recognizing Bush's screw ups makes me any less of a conservative. Besides, the way Obama is f-ing up he's making Bush look like a piker.

Also, Oath Keepers is not about political parties.
btw did you note a news item recently where they found that guns were being sold 19 out 20 times without proper checkup. Does anyone really believe that being armed is the solution to any problems of the modern world?
I dont know if we need any more oaths which no one heeds to anyway when push comes to shove. Do they mean anythign when humans are equally capable of disregarding them at the slightest. Good discussion.....
That's the thing Traveller, there's the ideal and then there is the reality. Oath Keepers helps deal with the reality.
Sounds like we are in for a "Mad Max" world; I was wondering when it would come to this. Sad.

Hope you are hoarding enough gasoline and provisions. Me? I'll be dead in the 1st round of violence. Namaste.
Indeed we are Dragonlady. Drudge is reporting that Israel will attack Iran if sanctions are not in place by Christmas. There are several nations who would welcome the attack and I do not see sanctions being in place by Christmas a s a result. (Although you never know, maybe we can get a temporary reprieve.)
Isn't there some military rule against wearing insignia not approved by the military? And isn't the first duty of a solder to protect Americans and the Constitution anyhow, why do they need a separate oath? Sounds like another potentially dangerous paramilitary group making decisions of what is right and wrong according to their own "code", the last thing we need.
Their oath is to the constitution, and part of that oath is to obey laws that have been deemed to be constitutional by the Supreme Court. So if any of those 10 points are upheld by the Supreme Court, and the Oath Keepers ignore that, are they not, by definition, violating their own stated principals?
Could be Ocular, but I do not think so. (To answer your last question and I think yes is the answer to your first question--see Andy H's reply)

Roger, just because the Supreme Court decides something is constitutional does not mean it actually is. I'm making that statement considering who we currently have on the bench.
The irony that America rebelled against one oppression only to embrace the law of the gun is not at all lost upon me

Not content with enshrining the right to own weapons in its Constitution the USA then kindly sold arms to over 100 nations so that they could do the same

The love affair with violence continues also in the shoot outs which so often settle scores in Hollywood movies

Is it any wonder that high school student inadequacies are then played out in the same manner?

Another irony which is not lost on me is that America has one of the finest democracies ever known to mankind, and so few Americans seem to value it as a means of resolving conflicts within the nation peacefully. Apparently a private gun remains a more important "protection".

If you don't trust your own Government where in God's name do you think America is headed? Kindly make democracy, freedom and peace work properly in your own country, before exporting it at the point of a gun.

I do recognise the distinction between peace-keeping in conjunction with other nations and unilateral war-making.

American generosity in Europe and Japan re-built the world post WW2 and all but destroyed the world with the Iraq War and Greed Driven Financial Bubble.

You now face the price of living high on the credit hog for too long.

The top 83 nations increased their per capita GDP more slowly than the bottom 83 in 2008. Standards of living are moving inexorably to a global average. America's down ... the lowest cost countries will move theirs up

I recommend that you deal with that by exporting things that people need, not necessarily what they want

You might also consider amending your gun-loving Constitution to rejoin the British Empire, if as I expect neither President Obama nor any future President is capable of delivering either peace or the illusory American dream

Blessings and Peace

Friar Hilarius
Does the make up of the court change the legitimacy of their rulings? In a legal sense, not a political or moral sense.
I agree with you RW and with Andy. We never had guns in the house while our son was growing up, but we do now. I even have one registered in my own name (although hubby says it's a girly gun). You have to be prepared for anything - that's just a fact of the world as it is now.
Thank you for publicizing this organization. There was once a time when I respected all police and military- but then the Barney Fifes moved in. There have always been good law enforcement officers ( I would believe that almost all military personnel are of the mind of the "Oath Keepers" but it is still good to see it affirmed) but "Oath Keepers "separates the Andys from the Barneys. Another good organization for civilians is: http://www.appleseedinfo.org/
Thanks for the latest replies. I'll respond tomorrow as my kid decided to sneeze in my face the other day and now I'm feeling a bit under the weather at the moment.
Roger F. quote: "Does the make up of the court change the legitimacy of their rulings? In a legal sense, not a political or moral sense."

Yes and no. The 2nd Amendment ruling to the D.C. appeal (DC v. Heller) was a 5-4 decision. It should have been 9-0. Scalia,Roberts, Kennedy, Thomas and Alito affirmed, while Souter, Ginsburg, Breyer and Stevens dissented.

From the 157 page ruling:
1. The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a
firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home.
Pp. 2–53.
(a) The Amendment’s prefatory clause announces a purpose, but
does not limit or expand the scope of the second part, the operative
clause. The operative clause’s text and history demonstrate that it
connotes an individual right to keep and bear arms. Pp. 2–22.
(b) The prefatory clause comports with the Court’s interpretation of the operative clause. The “militia” comprised all males physically
capable of acting in concert for the common defense. The Antifederalists feared that the Federal Government would disarm the people in order to disable this citizens’ militia, enabling a politicized standing army or a select militia to rule. The response was to deny Congress power to abridge the ancient right of individuals to keep and bear arms, so that the ideal of a citizens’ militia would be preserved.
Pp. 22–28.
(c) The Court’s interpretation is confirmed by analogous armsbearing rights in state constitutions that preceded and immediately followed the Second Amendment. Pp. 28–30.
(d) The Second Amendment’s drafting history, while of dubious
interpretive worth, reveals three state Second Amendment proposals that unequivocally referred to an individual right to bear arms.
Pp. 30–32.
(e) Interpretation of the Second Amendment by scholars, courts
and legislators, from immediately after its ratification through the
late 19th century also supports the Court’s conclusion. Pp. 32–47.

OK Roger, let's imagine that we had 9 liberal Justices who struck down the individual right to bear arms. The makeup of the court would change the legitimacy of their rulings because the denial of an individuals right to own guns is an incorrect explaination/ruling on the second amendment. One could, therefore, not obey otherwise lawful orders to disarm the citizenry. The Supreme Court MUST follow the original explicit intent of the Constitution and not pick and choose the unpopular parts. If an amendment is necessary then one can be voted on.
You make some good points Friar H., but miss the big picture. Military hardware doesn't kill people, evil assholes with military hardware kill people. I would also take our current batch of problems over that of Australia's any day of the week.
Agree Kyle and thanks for the link Token.
Nice try rw, but you're wrong.

Yes there is a remedy for an unpopular Supreme Court decision, either by the amendment process or legislation, but there is no legal mandate as to how any individual Supreme Court Justice MUST make his/her decision. That's why we have nine of them. Bush V Gore was a decision that most on the left disagreed with, but Gore made it clear that the Supreme Court had spoken, and it was settled.

The court could have ruled 9-0 the other way in the DC gun case and that would stand too... unless legislated otherwise.

This post is dangerously close to advocating revolution in the face of legally constitutional decisions that you don't agree with.

Yesterday when I read this I thought it was silly. Now I think it is dangerous.
If I took this oath, I wouldn't say chit until it was time to act. As to the dude who just posted above me, they said the same things about the founders of our nation. I'm with ya rw. R.
Roger, it's only dangerous if you're the one in the crosshairs. Looks like this will be one issue we will not be agreeing on. I'm sure we will have some areas of agreement in the future.

I think lots of folks are on our side 39 FAR.
Your last comment says it all.
"Sounds" just like the SDS!

deja vu all over again ...

AUWE
I think this group is a bit more to the right than the leftist SDS, Oahu.
Da Constitution is ... Da Constitution - you either defend it or you don't. As to understanding it ? ...

AUWE
Haters head down da road