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JULY 24, 2012 10:37PM

YES, Sally Ride’s lesbianism matters

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Late NASA astronaut Sally Ride (pictured above in 1984), who was the first American woman in space (in 1983 at age 32), died of pancreatic cancer yesterday at age 61. When I first saw the news of her death and saw her photos, I though, “Damn, she was a lesbian!” Shortly thereafter, it was publicly released that she had been in a same-sex relationship for almost three decades — which, the homophobes essentially argue, we should just fucking ignore, and focus only upon the space shit, because homosexuality always should remain in the closet, and you’re actually a homophobe yourself if you maintain otherwise.

I want to go all James Eagan Holmes whenever I hear some fucktard, usually a homophobic heterosexual (but sometimes a self-loathing, heterosexist homosexual), state that a gay man’s or lesbian’s sexual orientation doesn’t matter.

This right-wing fucktard, for instance, whose crap Yahoo! actually published, concludes in a commentary titled “Outing Sally Ride: Her sexual orientation has nothing to do with spaceships”:

For social liberals, Sally Ride’s posthumous out-coming is a luxury problem in the extreme. [Whatever the fuck that sentence means.] She was the first female [and] the youngest [true -- at least as far as American astronauts are concerned] and the first gay in outer freaking space [um, that we know of] — and a major force in space policymaking.

What’s more, Ride alone served on the two presidential commissions that investigated both the 1986 Challenger crash and the 2003 Columbia accident, which together killed 14 astronauts. Without fear or favor, Ride concluded that NASA made the same errors in judgment both times.

Is it more important than any of this that, having been married briefly to a man, Ride eventually settled down with a woman? Ride’s identity as both gay and female is an embarrassment of riches that presents an irresistible opportunity, it seems, to kvetch [again: WTF?] rather than celebrate a life astoundingly well led.

This writer apparently is a wingnut who somehow finds the occasion of Sally Ride’s posthumous outing as a lesbian to bash liberals.

Yet it’s the wingnuts’ presidential candidate, multi-millionaire Mormon weirdo Mittens Romney, whose patriarchal, misogynist, homophobic “Christo”fascism holds that Sally Ride never should have been able to have marriage equality with her same-sex partner of almost three decades.

It is the right wing that for decades has made non-heterosexuals second- or third-class citizens. I know. I cannot marry my partner of almost five years here in the “land of the free” (not even here in California, the land of fruits and nuts) because of the freedom- and equality-hating, oppressive right wing, most of them “Christo”fascists that make the members of the Taliban jealous.

And indeed, Sally Ride’s surviving partner of almost three decades won’t be eligible to receive Ride’s Social Security death benefits, as a heterosexually married widow or widower would — and that’s the way that the majority of the Repugnican Tea Party traitors maintain that it should be.

Who is making a big deal of sexual orientation?

I can tell you, as a gay man and as an empathetic human being, that Sally Ride’s sexual orientation was a big deal to her.

My guess is that she heterosexually married out of societal pressure, and that it never felt right to her to be with a member of the opposite sex.* Such a societally forced marriage is wrong to all parties involved. (No? What if heterosexuals felt strong societal pressure to marry members of their own sex, even though they are attracted only to members of the opposite sex?)

And Ride, who was born in 1951 and thus spent her formative years in one of the most conservative decades of our nation’s history, most likely was expected to look, act, think and believe as heterosexual women were expected to.

I can’t imagine that the road to becoming an astronaut (she joined NASA in 1978) was easy for her, and my guess is that she experienced a lot of sexism and heterosexism when she earned her bachelor’s, her master’s and her Ph.D. in physics before she joined NASA. No, she most likely was expected to be a teacher or a nurse or the like and/or a mother and/or a heterosexually married housewife.

Sally Ride most certainly accomplished a lot in her professional life.

Of course, no one ever fucking said that her lesbianism was more important than her professional accomplishments.

But that’s a false fucking comparison in the first fucking place, and of course Sally Ride’s sexual orientation was a big part of her total human being, as it is for 99 percent of us human beings. Among other things, our sexual orientation influences our choice of partners, influences our decision of whether or not to become a parent, and often influences our career choices, based upon societally imposed gender roles (speaking of which, our sexual orientation, if it isn’t “right,” can induce us to pretend to be who and what we are not). Our sexual orientation can even influence where we live. (I’ll stay here in the blue, fairly-homo-friendly-despite-Proposition-H8 state of California, thank you; I’d rather die than move to a red state.)

To ignore these facts, to ignore how much a part of one’s being his or her sexual orientation is, is to dishonor the memory of Sally Ride.

Which is exactly what the wingnuts (and the “liberal” homophobes) do when they state that Sally Ride’s sexual orientation didn’t fucking matter.

It fucking mattered.

These fucking homophobes and hypocrites made fucking sure that it did.

And they still do.

*Wikipedia notes:

Ride was extremely private about her personal life. She married fellow NASA astronaut Steve Hawley in 1982 and they divorced in 1987.

After death, [Ride's] obituary revealed that [her] partner was Tam E. O’Shaughnessy, a female professor emerita of school psychology at San Diego State University and a childhood friend who met Ride when both were aspiring tennis players.

O’Shaughnessy became a science teacher and writer and, later, the chief operating officer and executive vice president of Ride’s company, Sally Ride Science.She co-authored several books with Ride. Their 27-year relationship was revealed by the company and confirmed by Ride’s sister, who also stated that Ride chose to keep her personal life private, including her sickness and treatments.

Would a heterosexually coupled NASA astronaut have kept his or her union a secret? Why, then, are so many people OK with the fact that so many same-sex couples feel the need to keep their unions secret?

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OK...... Ya got me thinking. I too, as a confirmed "hetrosexualist" (whatever the hell THAT is), would have said that her sexual orientation "didn't matter". I would NOT have meant, didn't matter to her - or her partner - or others in her life, but that it didn't effect her ability to do her job well.

Perhaps I am wrong about that. Perhaps it DID very much, effect her ability to do good science. I will, as stated, give this more thought.

Keep on writin', Robert. We "others" can't learn without you and others laying it on the line, openly and fearlessly.

Rated!
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Heterosexist, not heterosexualist.

An example of heterosexism would be believing that it would be odd for, say, a male NASA astronaut to keep his wife or girlfriend secret, but that it would be normal, or even desirable or preferable, for, say, an astronaut to keep his or her same-sex partner a secret. Another example of heterosexism would be the belief that same-sex couples, by, say, sharing a kiss in public, are "flaunting it," whereas the same type of kiss shared by a heterosexual couple in public would be considered just fine, perfectly acceptable.

I just look at the situation and ask: What if it were two heterosexuals instead of two homosexuals in question? That's my litmus test for heterosexism, generally.

After her career in NASA, Sally Ride promoted science education for girls and young women, which makes me suspect that when she was younger she had a lot of sexist hurdles herself to have to clear.

I don't know whether she was pegged as a lesbian when she was growing up, but I'm guessing that she took shit for not being the way a young girl/young woman "should" be.

And I find it telling that she heterosexually married a fellow NASA astronaut in 1982 and then became the first American woman in space the following year. Was she afraid that talk of her being a lesbian might harm her career as an astronaut, and therefore she got heterosexually married?

So -- I can't agree that her homosexuality "didn't affect her ability to do her job well." I mean, I don't believe that her sexual orientation in and of itself was a problem, but I suspect that the social stigma surrounding homosexuality and non-gender-role-conformance made her career path rockier than it would have been had she not had to face such unenlightened, sexist and heterosexist discrimination.

Anyway, I babble, but I'm glad that you liked the post, and thank you for having said so.
I know you might find this hard to believe (even as a gay guy!) but her marriage was none of your business. She didn't put it out there for criticism or comment until she died, and now look at the fuckers commenting on it.
and you blame her?

I came out very recently at work. We'll see if it doesn't have an effect on my ability to keep my patients....or my patience.
and this does not make me a self hater, just a practical self promoter. There is a difference. There are lots of things I do (write bad poetry for one) that I do not share with the staff and residents where I work. Why? because I know I suck? no...because it's too intimate and not appropriate. It's called boundaries. Wish we all had them.
Wow. So defensive are you that you are disagreeing with something that I never even fucking wrote.

I don't criticize Sally Ride for not having been out of the closet. Especially given the facts that she was born in 1951 and that her fame peaked in the 1980s, a very homophobic time in our nation (Ronald Reagan, AIDS hysteria, etc.), I don't assert that Ride should have tried to come out of the closet at that time.

It would have been NICE had she come out later in life, yes, I do believe that, but again, I have not attacked Sally Ride for not having come out of the closet in life. I have attacked the idea that we now should keep her lesbianism hush-hush, an idea which is based in the belief that there is something wrong with/shameful about being lesbian or gay, and that being gay or lesbian diminishes someone who otherwise was great -- someone like Sally Ride. Therefore, let's ignore that part of her, let's shove it back into the closet -- where it belongs. That's the sick and twisted and toxic type of thinking that I'm attacking.

Did you even read my post? I kind of think that you didn't, that you just skimmed it.

Also, you illustrate what I mean by heterosexism.

It's NOT normal for heterosexuals to hide their marriages/couplings, yet you assert that it's pefectly normal for homosexuals to do so ("her marriage was none of your business," you wrote, yet, again, it's not considered normal for heterosexuals to hide their marriages). Why would you make such an assertion, unless at some level you go along with the heterosexist belief that same-sex couples should keep their couplings hidden?

Also, please let me point out that perhaps the best way to achieve privacy, if one wants privacy that badly, is NOT to become a NASA astronaut. Just sayin'.

Anyway, I hope that you move to a much more supportive, much less homophobic environment when you can.

I moved from Arizona to California in 1998 and I haven't set foot back in that God-awful state since.
ok, so according do you, it makes more sense for her not to become an astronaut, if she didn't want to come out as a lesbian (or bi, anyone willing to claim bi, thought not) astronaut.
and I didn't misread you. I read what you wrote. I might have misread your intent, but that is something altogether different.
and I (like her) work in a field where coming out is problematic due to the fact that people want you to be an interchangeable functional part. Not an individual. Creativity is not all that welcome, efficiency and proficiency is.

and yeah, I might be a wee bit defensive about this. It's hard to get attacked by the right and attacked by our own folks. Neither of you are ALL right.
Thanks, Robert, for writing this. I did a piece on this, too. I wonder where our movement would be if folks hadn't risked all that they did to come out over these past five decades, even during the 50s (Mattachine, Daughters of Bilitis, etc.) and 80s...imagine if Harvey Milk or Phyllis Lyon had said, "Oh my private life is none of anyone's business." We can have this conversation in the public sphere these days because of the brave folks who came out. I came out 42 years ago and faced all kinds of crap including being kicked out of my house and fagbashed several times. It wasn't always fun. But I would do it again in a heartbeat because I look around and I know that the gains we have today are partly because of my courage. Sally Ride was courageous in many ways, but not in her decision to remain in the closet until her death. We used to say in the old days of gay liberation that if everyone who was queer turned lavender overnight, the world would be a different place. I still believe that. Then those hypocritical preachers and politicians couldn't hide behind their public homophobia while they secretly led gay lives. The numbers of bisexual folks would shock everyone. Sally Ride could have opened doors for queer folks in the sciences and at NASA. She chose not to. But don't ask me to like that choice.
Robert,
I was not the one who has ever promoted the idea that someone's sexual orientation "didn't matter." I have a number of gay acquaintances and a few gay friends. THEY have been instrumental in leading me to understand that their sexuality is "none of my business" and that it "ought not to matter" when they are applying for employment or up for promotion; that it simply has nothing whatsoever to do with their ability to do the job - EXCEPT when the biases and prejudices of OTHERS makes it a problem. This also happens to people of non-white complexion, short people, handicapped people, women in general, teens, and us older folks.

Now I too can get on my soapbox about the horrible attitudes I have to deal with from people who consider that every "over 50, short, fat, white, male is "part of the conservative, much hated, "elite." To make it worse, I happened to make a few bucks during my lifetime (after 30+ years of trying and falling flat on my face), so there are many to whom I am also "rich."

I may not be gay but I, and many others, face enough biased and pre-concieved, stereotypical, prejudiced ideas to have some small appreciation of ANYONE who meets the same things, for whatever reason.

You may wish to make a career of being gay, if that is your wish, but I'm not willing to make sexual orientation into the "cause" or "reason" for any-and-anything that occurs to you in your life. So, yes, I DO think that some things just ought to be ignored while one pays attention to earned ability, knowledge, developed skills, and natural talent. I refuse to look at everyone through the lens of their sexuality. We all face some hurdles; you've got yours - I've got mine. Get over it. Life sometimes sucks; tough shit.

If I have occasion when I can defend someone of different colour, creed, age, orientation, gender, etc., who is being blatantly discriminated against, rest assured I will not hesitate for one New YOrk second - I'll BE there; I guarantee it. But I'm NOT going to spend any time or effort on "career gays" any more than I spend time on "career handicapped" or "career feminists." I have too much respect for the talents and abilities that those whom I know have, and do, display.

I think you ought to give a bit more consideration to the points made by hyblaean-Julie too. She expresses the attitude that I see most prevalent in gay people. 'Tiz you, my friend, who is placing yourself in a "minority" position on this issue.

Best to you......
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Yes, I am a minority, because I'm a gay man in a heterosexist society. Did they, the sociopolitical majority, say "Get over it" to the blacks who wanted equality, dignity and respect, I wonder?

"Career gay" is offensive. It implies that gay men and lesbians should shut the fuck up and go back into the closet, where they belong. No, I don't go around announcing my sexual orientation in situations in which it isn't warranted. However, I don't hide the fact that I have a same-sex partner in order not to make the heterosexist straights uncomfortable (gasp!). If it's appropriate to the conversation/situation to bring up my "private" life, I do so. It's a (small) way to help create change, something that remaining in the closet does not and cannot do.

Remaining in the closet can only reinforce homophobia.

All of that said, on most issues we probably are on the same page, and so I don't want to get involved into a knock-down, drawn-out fight with you.
P.S. to Julie: I never "attacked" you or any of your bisexual or lesbian cohorts. You have perceived an attack. That is your issue.

I do not hold that Sally Ride could not have been both a lesbian and a NASA astronaut, but come on, there are certain career paths, such as a politician, actor or actress, professional athlete, or NASA astronaut, in which naturally your personal life is going to be examined and pried into, so, if you can't handle that fact, you have a choice to make.

P.S. to Tommi: I'm a regular reader of yours, and I thank you for the fact that you keep writing.

Indeed, it is an issue of courage. If it were easy to be out, it wouldn't take courage to be out.

I recognize that there are some situations in which an individual shouldn't be out. A minor, for instance, who might get tossed out of his or her home, or someone who likely would be physically harmed should he or she be out -- I can make exceptions for situations like these, of course.

But when someone could be out but refuses to come out -- that's just cowardice and selfishness.

It's our job, the job of each individual, to advance our society, to raise its level of enlightenment, not to just selfishly feed on its resources like ticks feeding on a dog.

It's interesting that Sally Ride was able to conquer any fears of going into outer space -- a very risky business, as we saw with the Challenger and the Columbia space shuttle explosions, as well as other NASA mishaps -- but that she apparently was not able to conquer her apparent fear of being lesbian openly and publicly.

Indeed, that fact says at least as much about us, as a heterosexist society, as it says about her.
You make alot of assumptions about why Sally didn't come out to the extent you feel she should have. You talk about her "apparent" motives and conclude that her choice to not come out like you wanted her to is cowardly and selfish. It was her choice, pure and simple.

And the fact that she chose to be an astronaut did not give you the right to have full access to her privacy. Your post mortem judgment against her is cowardly. She accomplished a great deal, and she detracted nothing from anyone by her commitment to her and her partner's privacy.

Amazingly, she knew how to write a paragraph without using f*** in it, something you might want to learn how to do. Just a thought....
Fuck you. I will fucking blog the fucking way that I want to fucking blog. If you don't fucking like it, don't fucking visit my fucking blog.

I stand by every word that I have written. I have given Sally Ride a pass for the time in which she was born and spent her early years (the 1950s) and the time in which she peaked as a public figure (the 1980s).

It would have been nice had she come out at least later in life. Of course she was cowardly. She didn't keep her HETEROSEXUAL marriage so fucking secret, did she? No, she married another fucking astronaut. Not exactly a low-key marriage.

Did Sally Ride HAVE to do the right thing and come out in her later years?

No. We all get to decide whether or not we do the right thing.

It's too bad that Sally Ride did not do the right thing, but blew the opportunity.
Yoiks!
And we now have another one going on about Sally Ride!!
Should be a fun day!

And, no, I won't talk to you "as a gay person". I'll talk to you as a person; period. I'll talk about your ideas, philosophy, concepts, experiences, etc., but I really couldn't care less whether you're male of female, gay or straight, young or old, short or tall, fat or skinny, or black or white. All that is irrelevant to me. What counts is that you are an intelligent, civil person who expresses ideas in a forum that invites comment and discussion. Knowing that you are gay has not changed our discussion one iota on my part. Until, and unless, the topic of discussion is "gayness", at which time it does become relevant. But in any other discussion, it just isn't a material factor. If we discuss the atomic number of iron, it isn't going to change by you, or me, being straight or gay or anything else.

Hope I'm clear on this. I don't want any fuss about Sally's gayness; not to "hide" it but because it's irrelevant to her scientific accomplishments, just as her height or weight or colour is.

As to her "coming out" in order to make it easier for others to do the same, that's her choice. I don't know her reasons for making her decision - I suggest that you don't either - but they were her reasons. I respect her right to make such decisions, about herself, for herself. I claim the same right for me (and for you too).

If you wish to use a certain brand of butter on your toast because "many gay people use that brand" or because that company doesn't discriminate against gays in their hiring practices, that's your choice. I, not only don't care why you choose that brand, I just don't even give a fuck what doggone brand of butter you use or if you even eat toast!

When you indicate, as you have, that a person's sexual orientation plays a bigger role in their life than I think it does, I don't immediately change my opinion. I DO, however, understand that YOU feel that way. I accept that as the way you feel. I don't judge it or condemn it. Nor do I adopt it as my own opinion, although I reserve the right to do so if I should chose to do so.

To me, Sally's choice is one that I respect. No "ifs, ands, or buts." Her life = her choices. My life = my choices. If I claim the right to make my choices as I see fit then I must, of necessity, grant that she - or anyone - has an equal right to do that.

Her not "coming out" didn't help "the cause"? Tough shit. What did "the cause" ever do for her? She EARNED everything she ever got by her hard work, ability and dedication, not through her sexuality. If it held her back any, she seems to have dealt with it quite competently; how much higher could she have risen, for pete's sake? She was, literally and figuratively, at the very "top" of her profession!! You can't get any better than that!

Best to you......Sky
Sky, you and I are done on this topic. We've both had our say and we'll have to agree to agree where we agree and disagree where we disagree.
Robert,
The moment you back off from rational discussion on a topic that YOU raised, then you lose all right to criticize Sally, or anyone else, for them not doing as you think that they ought to have done.

The moment you unilaterally declare that "you and I" are done on this topic, then I tell you true - you and I are "done" on ANY topic from this point forward. Bye.
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Good riddance.

I've been blogging for years and you aren't the only one who has tried to hijack my blog by believing that I'm going to go around and around with you pointlessly and endlessly.

It's a waste of fucking time.

It's my blog. You don't get to hijack it, and if you're lonely, get a hobby or a partner. I'm not going to waste time and energy going in circles with someone with whom I'm just not going to agree.