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OCTOBER 25, 2011 6:06PM

Accepting Hate and Ignorance Doesn't Make It Go Away

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I live outside of a small town.  One of my favororite things about this town is that it has a great little diner.  Not only is the food good (the smoked stuffed pork chops are to die for), but I even like the people who frequent the place.

The majority of the diner's regular patrons are retired guys and farmers.  It might surprise those of you that know me, but I've grown to like these self described "old coots".  They are one of the reasons I frequent the diner for breakfast or lunch at least once or twice a week.

 The other day I went in for an early lunch (yeah, I had the pork chops).  As I was sitting there eating and chatting, Harry got up to leave.  He said he was all coffee'd out and was going to catch the bus to Des Moines for his doctors appointment at the VA (Harry lost half of his left leg in Vietnam).

Harry is one of my favorite guys.  He still proudly wears his USMC hat, knows more dirty jokes then anyone I've ever met and was the first person to stick up for me when I started visiting the diner and one of the guys started to give me a ration of crap for being "one of them lesbians that just moved here".

I watched Harry hobble across the road to the bus stop on his cane.  As I sat there observing, I watched two teen girls and one young man sitting on the bench as Harry walked up.   I looked harder when a couple of the guys started mumbling "that just ain't right" when none of the three got up off the bench in the bus shelter and offered Harry a place to sit.

I thought on this as I finished my meal and paid my bill.  Figuring I had a few spare minutes,  I got in my car I drove across the road and parked next to the bus shelter and called Harry over.  I told him to have a seat inside my car because it was getting colder and the wind was starting to blow.

I probably would have just ignored the three of them as Harry walked around the car to get in except the young man decided that he would put a sneer on his face and snicker. 

I was already kind of pissed so as Harry got in, I got out. 

The young "man" looked at me and I told him, "It's WAY wrong that you're sitting on your butt when a guy with a cane has to stand.  What the hell is with that?" 

His brilliant reply was, "Hey, I got here first and 'sides he doesn't deserve to sit any more then I do!" 

I looked pointedly at the "This seating reserved for the use of senior citizens and disabled persons" sticker on the side of the shelter, shook my head and walked away.  Of course, like the big, brave man he was, he said, "What's it to you anyways?"

I was going to let loose on him when Harry asked told me not to bother and said that I should just ignore him.

After the bus came, I was driving home and I was STILL thinking about what happened.  As usual, I came up with what I SHOULD have said several miles later.

What I SHOULD have said was, "Dude, what's it to me is that what you are doing is wrong.   That man EARNED the right to your respect and I have every right and, in fact, the DUTY to call you on your behavior and actions".

 

 

Today, I was looking through Facebook and read where some fundy, pro-life douche posted some biblically based hate speech on a pro-choice page.   A few people confronted him, but most comments were to the effect, "You just need to ignore him". 

Later I saw pretty much the same thing by a homophobe and the same "you've got to learn to ignore them" responses.

This has brought back my thoughts from the other day. 

How can a person EARN their rights if they are not willing to stand up and fight for them?  How can you say you deserve something when you won't confront the people who try to prevent you from having it?  How does "ignoring" a problem make it better?

For me, the "ignoring" and "accepting" ends today.  I encourage you to stop "accepting" hate & ignorance and stand up to it as well.  After all, the Harry's of the world EARNED us the honor of doing so.  

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I personally wish you'd cold-cocked the little shit
and youtubed it
"Get up, stand up, don't give up the fight." Your post has me channeling Bob Marley. And that's a good thing. (Also what Julie said.) ~r
yes to you and julie too. didn't mean to make that rhyme but i'm struggling with words this afternoon and can't take another stab at it. you know what i mean, amy.
I wrestle with this frequently - especially in the backwoods rural area in which we live. Knowing when to hold 'em, when to fold 'em, when to walk away, and when to run, so to speak. So far, I haven't run away . . . but sometimes, maybe too often, I've walked away. I get tired of feeling my blood simmering with outrage . . .
What Julie said. Amen.
This comment thread needs a manly voice.

(in my best baritone)

RIGHT THE FUCK ON!! but I do wish you would have bitch slapped him and filmed it... had Harry film it that is
Oh... one thing about Iowa.
Got pork! Smoked stuffed chops, tenderloin sandwiches to die for. Never saw a place that has hog condos, before Iowa.
And those little towns... Only four corners, and a bar on each, all serving chops and loins, gotta love it.
Take me pheasant hunting please.. that's how I know Iowa.
And by weird chance, passing thru Thursday, I 35 to I 80 en route to Great Lakes Illinois, and back Saturday
Good for you. Most of us put up with way too much ugly in the interest of not making waves.
Yeah, should have knocked him into the middle of next week!! :D

Rated and Tink Picked!!!
Definitely what Julie said.

Rated for what goes around is coming that young snot's way.
The 1st part of your story was an example of discourtesy, and it is annoying to be sure, but hate? Sounds more like douche than hate.

There is no such thing as Biblically-based hate speech, with the exception of antisemitism, which is the only thing in the bible that can be properly interpreted as intolerant. There is biblically distorted hate speech for all other things, but such is how that moderately useful book is being employed these days.

Abortion is a tough nut to crack...both science and religion/philosophy tell us that it is the destruction of life. Is it killing a human being? Harder to say...regardless, no one has the right to force me to carry around 50 extra pounds for 9 months, so no one should have the right to force you to do it either. I just hope one day we figure out how to avoid ever having to need that procedure for anyone.

But, if there is one issue facing us to which there is no right answer, abortion is that issue. Perhaps you are a bit ignorant to the other side's argument? What if you thought of it as murder and there was absolutely nothing you could do to stop it? From reading what you wrote, seems you're prone to anger when you see something you feel is unjust happening around you as well. Given that, is it so hard for you to understand these people with an opposing viewpoint to yours on abortion might be getting frustrated to the point where their speech on the issue is purposely aggressive and provocative?

Like I said, I don't know who is right and who isn't, only that I don't want the government deciding the issue for you, me or anyone else. If you're gonna write an article on how ignorance breeds hate, though, you could try to figure out what the other side's point of view is before you admonish them for it.

Or not...I've been told it's still a free country, though I see no evidence of this as I make my rounds.
Absolutely wonderful piece. Yes, it is time for us to stop the hate.
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You're 100% on it. Rated.
@ Julie: Snerk! Right, huh?

@ Joan: that would be a fitting theme song for this post! Thx.
@ Candace: yes I do Hon, and thx! ;)

@ Owl: oh I SO get the simmering you mentioned! That's why I'm going to try to better emulate what Harvey Milk meant when he said,

"Hope will never be silent."
@ CC: that should be A(wo)men! ;)

@ Tr ig: what's with you and pigs??? Oh, and he'll no I wont take you pheasant hunting! You look WAY too much like Dick Chenney!
@ onislandtime: Mahalo!

@ Tink: A Tink pick? You honor me, dude.
What Julie and Joan said.. I'm chanting Bob Marley as I type this! It's a long frickin fight, but we can't give up now. I'm with you, my friend.. -r-
everyone but me is violent
You didn't ignore him, let's get that straight. Ignoring him would have been to stay in the diner. Instead, you went out, helped your disabled friend, yelled at this guy for being rude, and made it obvious that the answer to his question was in print on the shelter. It wasn't your place to beat the crap out of him, it was your place to let him know that he was being uncivil and rude and, perhaps, to point out how, all of which you did. Now he knows he's going to be called on that crap and he may very well think you're more right than he'd ever admit to you but he wasn't about to admit that to you because he was gutless enough to have felt obligated to save face.

You didn't miss an opportunity. You did this one right. No regrets. Not all assholes can be converted in a single incident.
I DO NOT LOOK LIKE DICK CHENEY!

Of all the slams you've tossed my way, this is the first one that hurt, and yes, I do love pigs,
Too bad you didn't break Harry's cane over the mutherf_ _ ers head!
I too have a hard time with those who use that lame excuse! I hear it all the time down here in redneck land. Like I tell these people, "ignoring it, ain't never gonna make it go away!"
OS ate the comment i left yesterday :(

by helping harry and getting out of the car to confront the punk, you DID do something. well done.
Good on you! Ignoring them only emboldens them.
Speak your mind, sure enough, few are willing to change their opinions though. However, no matter what, stay out of violent confrontations, they are never worth it. glad you have both made a good friend where you wouldn't have expected it.
Excellent post! I couldn't agree with you more. I get so sick and tired of these other people somehow being permitted, without interference or discomfort, to say whatever they want to say no matter how hate filled or thoughtless, or do whatever they want to do without being called on it - and yet somehow because of their ignorance or mean-spiritedness, people with more morality or even just genuine human kindness are supposed to be quiet, not rock the boat and scamper away so as not to "cause a scene."
Yeah, smacking that arrogant ill mannered little shit wouldn't have been such a bad thing...
Im with Julie, smack his dirty mouth.
Yes Amy I do agree. Fear plays into this scenario, no?
Some times the best thing to do is really to ignore them; however there are things that can be done to educate people in the lo9ng term. Bigotry is taught at an early age; so teaching people right and understanding how it is taught will help prevent it in the long run.