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NOVEMBER 1, 2011 11:30AM

Herman Cain: Innuendo About Innuendo

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Herman Cain is twisting in the wind of a very public exercise in the use of innuendo.

 Like “entitlement,” innuendo is now being redefined by the pro-Cain media to be much less than it really is, a highly suggestive metaphoric statement used to imply a dismissive comment aimed at a subordinate, male or female.

 Being accused of innuendo is like being accused of bad taste, because one person’s outrageous infraction is another person’s cute comment, or so we are being asked to believe.

 It just ain’t so.

 Asked if he has a “wandering eye” by a sympathetic reporter, Cain replied that he enjoys flowers, but went on to explain that it is sometimes difficult to know where to draw the line.

 No, its not.  By raising that question – where to draw the line – Cain has made a tacit admission that he actually looks for that line in his social interactions with women.

 The statement implies that Cain has impulses toward women that need to be put in check – but that means Cain is pushing the envelope, trying to find out how close he can get to that imaginary line without going over it.  This suggests that Cain knows that there is such a line, but he’s not sure where that line is drawn.

 This is a symptom of a psychopathic personality.   Psychopaths lack an internal, inborn sense of right and wrong that more “normal” (there being, really, no such thing as normal) people usually have.  More normal people determine the line between right and wrong by putting themselves into the position of the other person in the process we call empathy.

 But the most interesting comment that Cain has made with respect to this issue is that he did nothing wrong and didn’t even know that the complainants had been paid, which he later correct to not knowing how much they were paid.

 And that’s just plain bullshit.

 Anyone who has ever been the subject of a sexual harassment law suit knows to the penny how much the resolution of that case has cost their organization.

Call it an agreement rather than a settlement simply begs the question by splitting the non-existent difference between them.

In the final analysis, however, we have prima facie evidence that Cain did something wrong.  Twice.

You may settle almost any kind of law suit out of court without admitting guilt, and without suffering serious repercussions, but these accusations never reached a court of law….and no one settles sexual harassment cases out of court unless there’s sufficient cause of action. 

No competent attorney would ever recommend settling a sexual harassment case out of court unless there was a compelling reason – such as guilt – for doing so.  A sexual harassment suit is the one employment matter you never settle out of court – unless your guilty – precisely because that makes you a sitting duck for future sexual harassment suits.

At this point, whether Cain did anything wrong or not, he’s damaged goods.  There will now always be questions about Cain’s sexual probity, which makes him a target for further potential allegations as President of the United States.

The mere fact that this possibility exists guarantees that Cain will have to follow a different standard of behavior with female employees – such as never being alone with a female employee – opening the door for other employment discrimination suits instead of sexual harassment cases.

Cain is toast.  He just doesn’t know it yet.

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A personal note: I am speaking from experience here, having once been the target of a sexual harassment suit that eventually cost more than $100,000 to defend, despite my complete innocence. The employee in question, about to be terminated for misfeasance, overheard a conversation to that effect, and filed the sexual harassment suit in an attempt to forestall us from firing her. Having had that experience I can definitively state that, no matter how much it costs to defend against a SH suit, it is still cheaper than going through life branded as such.
Understood. I wouldn't have known exactly what to expect, but I think I now do, Clarence Thomas' experience notwithstanding.
Too bad he couldn't team up with Dominique Strauss-Kuhn as his running mate.
I'm not so sure. I think, because this is the primary race, Republicans will be looking for an unstained candidate. On the other hand, if this was the general election they would stand behind an axe murderer if he was their man. Clarence Thomas was their man and his confirmation was critical to advancing their agenda.

I understand about the sexual harassment suit. My son-in-law just stopped to help another employee whose ladder at Home Depot was unstable. She filed a sexual harassment suit, probably because he was too competent, charging "I didn't like the way he looked at me." Fortunately, another female employee saw the whole thing and the suit was dropped. The bad side of this is that HE was harassed until he quit. R
Republicans got to learn to keep the Devil down in the hole...down in the hole...down down dowwwwwwwwwwn in the hole!
Settling a lawsuit is always a business decision. Always.

That's not to say that the majority of sexual harassment lawsuits are baseless.

The guy likes women. Good for him.

When he started his business career, it was common to boff the secretaries. By the 90's it was strictly hands off for any direct report. Maybe he didn't get the memo.

Bill Clinton lived over the line. He was still 10 times the President and 10 times the man that his successor was.

And what about honest Abe? They don't call then Log Cabin Republicans for nothing.

Grover Cleveland was elected despite an illegitimate child.

He couldn't be elected today.

This is simply the wrong direction we need to go.

Disqualify Cain based on his failure to be able to perform arithmetic, not his dick.
Nick - It used to be common to say that one's sexual pecadillos had nothing to do with one's ability to govern. I've always contended that a male candidate's behavior with women on a personal level was probably an indicator of his general attitude towards women, who are half of the people he will govern.....and therefore of concern. So my problem with Cain would involve both his math AND his dick.

Anyway, there doesn't seem to be any math ability, so investigating his sexual proclivities is *on*.
I share Cain's lament that it isn't always easy to draw the line in the "battle" of the sexes -- tho that's about all I share with him. These days, one is nervous about the most innocent of observations, or for that matter a simple compliment, being taken as sexually suggestive.

For example, I was hesitant to compliment a young lady I recently the fact that my wife was sitting beside me at the time. She thanked me, but these days one never knows who a compliment will be taken. For others, such a comment can be taken as sexist, to wit, the kind of thing I wouldn't dream of saying to another man. True, but I assure you, I would not be offended if a woman complimented me about my eyelashes -- or any other part of my anatomy.

On the other hand, I doubt seriously that the other NRA settled a couple of suits over anything so innocent as my remark. Sad to say, it has been my experience that those who crave power too often crave control over others sexually, if only as a measure of that power.

The evidence of that charge is everywhere in business and in politics. Clinton, of course, and for my money, Clarence Thomas as well. The fact that those charges did not ruin either man's career suggests sexual harassment is not as frowned upon as it ought to be.

Thus, the charges being made against Cain are probably insufficient to keep him from the Presidency. But they certainly compound his other glaring deficiencies. Sad to say, in the end, all of that is less likely to keep him from the R nomination than the fact that he's black -- tho I wouldn't put it past the Republican power structure to run him just for spite.
I like your approach, calling him out on his word usage and redefinition. I don't think many people could survive the long road of publicity and interrogation. Certainly not Cain.
And Ted Kennedy killed a girl. So who is the meaner man, the one against only innuendo stands, or the killer? And, say, where's John Edwards in your calculus? If this is 'reporting', it's a sorry case. If it's uninformed bloviation, which it is, well, good for you.
I don't think it kills Cain yet, although his answer about settlement-agreement wasn't the best, if, more because of its too clever by half part. Then again, he's new, and maybe that's all that is. It would seem to me that tt's Romne-Perry anyway, or Rick Romney or Mitt Perry; this is just good for the news folks, although, his support is real enough, maybe why this came out now, not that it didn't happen, as obviously it did, but... just to get rid of him as an actual, instead of pretended, rival to anyone, D or R. As to what he did, who knows, so far. Nowadays, a good trial lawyer says, "maybe there's a lot of publicity and we have an offer you can't refuse," and they say, "take the money and run," and pay the money and run, doesn't necessarily, in and of itself, make anyone totally great or totally evil. People can get ticked off about a lot of stuff, some right, some half right, and some wrong. If they are released from the confidentiality agreement, however, and they tell a story that people believe that makes him look ugly, then he's dead politically, but, if they waive that agreement, they might waive the settlement too, plus back interest, or just some serious financial consequences, which is maybe why he said the hint about legal consequences if the agreement's confidentiality is waived, if the leaks are almost there, but as to their actual Anita Hill moment, that could be definitely fatal, hence the popularity of such agreements in the first place. I owe PJ a beer over Palin, but methinks its Romneperry or Peromney, and not really anyone else, if, Cain has had way more legs than most people thought, and, btw, he does have a Master's in Comp. Sci, and worked on missiles, so, he does know math. Chinese nuclear weapons, that ... he knows now. There's actually a curious story there lately about the tunnels and the debate on how many nukes China really has aimed at us, but that's not something many people care about, right until something bad happens. So, not dead, but, depends on if there are witnesses to talk live and do an Anita Hill imitation.
Bringing up the peccadilloes of democratic candidates and office holders adds nothing to this argument. We are in the process of picking the most important president in the history of this country, because, if the next president doesn't get it right, we're well and truly fucked. Cain's response to this story is the real issue, not what he did in the 1990s. Cain's response has been to dismiss, belittle, prevaricate, dissemble, deny, and grudgingly concede that something did in fact happen, and that hush money was paid.

So we now know this much about Cain: he caves to blackmail. We currently have a black president who appears to be incapable of standing his ground. The last thing we need is another black president who caves in to black mail, as Cain appears to have done, and who needs help drawing the line that separates appropriate from inappropriate behavior. If needs help with that, who is going to help him draw the line in international diplomatic debates?

A man without an internal moral compass cannot lead this nation out of the mess we're in because, without that moral compass, that president will make unacceptable compromises on the basis of expediency rather than efficacy.
First off I would say that we are already "well and truly fucked". To those who wish to mitigate or ignore Cains dalliances and lies why was it so important when Bill Clinton did it?
Cain is toast.....and your clever interpretation are truly the way it must all be..Good one Sage..
While he lasted I enjoyed his enthusiatic remedies and his strong POV. Seemed like a real guy who was really out there...Maybe too out there. Thanks for sharing your POV. Bravo SM!