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JUNE 14, 2012 4:31PM

Prometheus Redux: An Unnecessary Remake

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 (I don't write movie reviews...but this film was so bad I felt it necessary to warn you.) 

"Prometheus," which opened to wide acclaim from both critics and audiences, is an absolutely terrible film, but it represents a summation of Ridley Scott's  career by revisiting the same themes he explored in in "Alien," the 1979 hit on which he made his bones as a theatrical film director.

"Alien,"  for anyone who doesn't know, was the classic entry in the "aliens are out to get us" school of science fiction films.  

In that film, the crew of a salvage tug is awakened from hibernation to investigate an alien distress signal that is emanating from an uninhabited planet where the crew discovers a derelict spaceship loaded with a strange cargo of amphorae that appear to contain a strange alien life form that attaches itself to any available host, impregnating said host with a spoor that incubates into a very different, and ferociously hostile life-form.

Early on in "Alien," we get a brief glimpse of the deceased star travelers, who appear to be humanoids but much bigger than we are....but we are left guessing about where the aliens were going, and why they were transporting their deadly and apparently useless cargo.

(Spoiler alert...except that if you actually go to see this film, well, let's just say you were warned:  if you've seen Alien, you've already seen this one.)

Prometheus was designed to answer those questions....and the answers are quite disturbing, because it turns out that the aliens who were transporting the creatures were the same aliens who seeded the earth with the DNA that eventually became us, the same aliens whose occasional visits to these precincts have been documented by various disconnected ancient cultures whose depictions of strikingly similar pictures of  "the gods" appear to indicate frequent stopovers by our alien makers.

I use the term "makers" advisedly because there is a vampire-ish quality to the aliens and the creatures they are transporting. 

Aside from the really bad science involved at every turn in the plot, the ultimate answer to the question of where the ancient aliens were going is, of course, Earth....and their mission was to wipe out the human race by introducing the equally alien monsters to our planet.

In other words, the aliens...not God....created us and the aliens...not God.....were bent on destroying us for some unknown reason.

Let's get back to the bad science. 

The concept that, by dumping alien DNA into our water supply, we would eventually come into existence is simply beneath comment. 

Let's not even get into the impossibility of faster than light travel (because there are always some morons out there who will always want to argue the point) which would render the entire plot moot. 

Let's focus instead on good expedition management.

You do not take off your space helmet on an unknown planet with unknown disease vectors possibly present, nor do you bring samples of the shit you find out there into your spaceship.  People do not disobey mission leaders. Period.  Groups never break up while exploring underground facilities.   Sometimes, people don't come back when you do that.

Aside from those caveats, there's a scene where the female heroine jumps into an automated surgical unit, has an emergency C-section performed to remove the alien growing inside her, then jumps out of the surgical unit....after just having had the incision stapled together....and starts running around like a maniacal heroine trying to prevent the aliens from delivering their fatal cargo to Earth.

We actually broke out laughing during this sequence.

The only thing more ridiculous was the sequence during which the last surviving alien, awakened from hibernation, jumps up - after 2,000 years in cold storage - tears the head off the android (there's always an android in a Ridley Scott science fiction film and I have my doubts about Russell Crowe), immediately jumping into the driver's ship of his derelict aircraft and proceeding to make ready to take off for Earth to deliver the death knell to humanity.

He's not even surprised to wake up to find himself surrounded by human beings, doesn't even give it a second thought.

Of course, he's foiled by the intrepid Earth ship's captain who crashes his starship into the alien's ship , preventing it from leaving the planet...and leaving our erstwhile heroine stranded there.

The beheaded android comes to the rescue, suggesting that there are other alien starships on this planet that might be used to get home again....but our heroine doesn't want to go home:  she wants to find the alien's home planet.  She wants to know why they want to kill us.

 Oh my God, is Ridley actually thinking of making a sequel to THIS? 

There are some problems with this outcome.

First of all, if all of the alien ships on this planet are derelict - and they must be or they wouldn't be on this planet - there's no reason to assume that they are functional. 

Even if they are functional, there's  really no point in visiting the alien's home planet because, after 2,000 years during which the aliens have been hibernating on this derelict planet, no subsequent expedition has arrived on Earth to wipe us out....leading us to the inevitable conclusion that the aliens have managed to wipe themselves out in the process of trying to wipe us out.

This makes our manic heroine's expedition to the alien planet a useless endeavor because they are almost certainly all dead.

Besides which, it doesn't take a genius to figure out why they want us dead.

Imagine a  group of chimpanzees have gotten hold of several thousand nuclear bombs, and we find them playing around with the trigger mechanisms.

What would you do? 

Attempt to gently remove the triggers from their possession....or blow the shit out of them on the reasonable grounds that they might just do it again somehow?

 The 1979 version of this film launched Scott's career, giving us Blade Runner, Gladiator, Kingdom of Heaven, American Gangster and his revisionist version of Robin Hood, but Scott is now circling around to revisit old themes, with Prometheus and a currently untitled take off from Blade Runner, according to IMDB.

The 2008 remake - and really is a remake with the same basic plot elements  - of his classic might just put the kibosh on science fiction monster films....and good riddance to them.

 On second thought, the box office numbers seem to suggest that there's no bottom to the reduced expectations of the movie-going public.   

You have been warned.  Don't make my mistake.  Don't go.  Your ticket purchase will just encourage them to make more shit like this. 

 

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I'm not sure I like the title but I really hated the film. However, I should have mentioned that there are some really strong performances and superb visual effects for those who like such things.
I've seen the film and agree it is an inferior product full of the illogical actions and concepts mentioned but its main fault is extremely poor basic development of the basic elements of any worthwhile film. The original Alien film had a good deal of illogic in it but the action and characterization of the individuals was enough to make it worthwhile viewing. It has a slow careful build-up of tensions and surprise horror that took firm hold of the audience and worked their emotions to build high tensions. This film has none of that. There is very little worthwhile character development and one simply doesn't care what happens to the people who stumble around making obvious dumb errors.
What essentially disturbs me is the lack of any interest in what an encounter with an ancient superior alien culture might be. There is no conflict of viewpoints or interest in how different an alien mind might be to a human mind. And there is no exposure of how stupid and dangerous humans might be to a future development of an intelligent society. Humans today are more dangerous to themselves than any alien monsters might be and the revelation of humanity as a failed experiment in intelligence would be very much worth exploration from an alien viewpoint. But all the aliens have are not intellect but monstrous size and tentacles and teeth and claws.
Jan, I like what you say here, but I was having too much fun with language to get that serious about the film. I've heard it said that if ever do encounter aliens, they are liable to sue the shit out of us for libel and slander.
If it has aliens, explosions and space ships, I will gladly lay down my hard earned 1$ at the movie kiosk for this when it comes out on DVD.
Then again I could just play Mass Effect 2 and save my money. Sure there's lots of illogical stuff in the game, but a least I get the joy of blasting aliens and robots while mining planets dry of their resources.
A hole-y plot in one hellish remake. Sums it up.
Gad! Whatever happened to the great story lines we used to want to revisit in their classic form?
I'm glad I don't care much for horror. ANd I can recall watching the first "Alien" film and freaking out due to its content. I've learned since then how I prefer a great drama, a fine documentary, or a good old fashioned romantic comedy.
I'd planned to skip this one anyhow, but am glad to see my instincts confirmed for me.
R
"Imagine a group of chimpanzees have gotten hold of several thousand nuclear bombs, and we find them playing around with the trigger mechanisms.

What would you do? "

MAKE A MOVIE ABOUT IT!!

Oh wait...they've already done that, even remakes......:(

:D

I wish Hollywood would come up with some new ideas, but no, we get Rereleases of like Titanic in 3-D!

What the f*ck!!?? :D
I'd like to add my capsule review of Prometheus: BAG OF WANK.
From all I've read about this bomb, it sounds like the high-budget equivalent of an Ed Wood feature, specifically Plan Nine from Outer Space, which has become a camp cult favorite.
well now that you mention it, it was pretty terrible. i noticed much of what you mention, like that c section and then the running around, leaping over precipices, etc without busting stitches and hemorrhaging like a normal human being.

but I have to say we found it to be a fabulously entertaining experience. very exciting and beautiful and science fictiony and fun. much of it is silly, but much of most science fiction film is silly and overplayed.

still...we loved it. the experience was marvelous..perfect summer fare...scary and beautifully filmed and airconditioned and 3-D'd and iMaxed and we had one of those monster popcorns that my husband ate most of.

we want to see it again.
ps. I had hoped charlize would have had a better role, a more devious role. she kind of started out strong but then they petered her out and made her simply petulant, ineffective and miserable. I wanted HER to be an android too. a mean one. hell...
As someone who was deeply steeped in science fiction, I find it remarkable that they are remaking or reprising earlier science fiction films when there so much really great science fiction that has never made it to cinema.

Examples of films no one will ever make: wait. this is separate post.
one last thing...Scott's bought the script for that ghastly book we got to review a couple of summers back - The Passage. It was about the worst book I'd ever read - about vampire zombies and was a disaster.

Started brilliantly...first 200 pages. Then he jumps 100 years into the future and apparently didn't know what in hell to do for the next 350 plus pages to milk it for three more books (which it is supposed to be..a three book epic saga) (HA!)

I think many of these directors and there are quite a few of them now, like Oliver Stone (I'm very curious about his new film coming out), are beautiful visionaries in terms of how to create a film, but they can't write stories to save their asses. They all want to be Scorcese, who CAN do it all and does.

Whatever they're telling themselves, when they start getting into the process of writing, there goes good film.

Prometheus could have been brilliant. As it is, it was very entertaining. But entertaining is mindless...this could have been both entertaining AND provocative.
You're right about that Monkey. I actually started rewrite for my own amusement before I caught myself and dragged him back to more productive work.
Thanks for posting this review and I mostly agree with you here. There are so many problems with this film that one really feels insulted when watching it. Astronauts touching and playing with things they best just leave alone. It is indeed very hard to keep anything from with this film as insightful and clever when the whole thing seems more like an exercise for 3D. Someplace on Youtube is a video about a crashed spaceship either on mars or the moon and I think this is where the whole idea got rebooted. It sucks when the film you were waiting so long for turns out to be more of a farce than more food for thought.
I am back and a little more focused than the last time. Generally speaking when I go to see a film like this I do not want to find myself getting upset with the picture or the story, and I did.
Even though disappointing, there were still some good ideas that I gleaned from this after seeing the film.
The engineer, who is from a collective of others might live an enormously long time. Maybe they do terra form planets and as scientists at some point in there forever type existence they have the choice of jumpstarting the planets life forms by seeing the planet with there own DNA. The the entire spectrum of life is but an extension of themselves and the ultimate thrill is having an existence through all these living things. Indeed like a god. It is a little like the Hindus going into Sumadi meditation and becoming one with the immediate universe.

In another sense like on Star Treks Deep Space Nine. Odo the shape shifter lives amonsts all other shapeshifters in a liquid mass. The engineers after much deep reflection probably want to have there living elders see what kind of world they produce with their personal DNA. This kind of idea can really make one wonder.

I think from what I remember, Prometheus tricks Zeus with some fancy wording in order to slip fire to the humans, Zeus responds childlike to this action like the lead scientist and eventually chains him to Mount? where the liver thing happens. I think Zeus, at that time, then created Pandoras Box and introduced this into the equation because of what Prometheus did. Now I image out of spite or something Zeus releases an moleculare DNA mini gene that attaches to our DNA and introduces all kinds of different Traits. The worse being the seven deadly sins. Imagine not having that in your DNA and then getting infected with it.

Why the engineer hated us ?....Well, as I have read from the works of Zachary Stitskin and Eric von Danegin these visitors made us for the purpose of gathering gold for them and hated our species upon there leaving. They knew the flood was coming and expected us to be distroyed that way. They found us to reproductive and an waster of all things. Thoughtless gluttony in all directions.

I love seeing the future of the bio bed and think this will indeed have to come to be.

That substance might be the negative side of the God particle that scientist keep looking for.

The space ship idea might come from the fact? That YouTube has a video of what looks like an enormous crashed Spacecraft in a crevice of the Moon or Mars.

I liked the design of this alien space craft. The outfits of the engineers looks like something that might pertain to the Borg? Ultimately a 100% white cotton Toga is the preferred way to be dressed? So I do not trust armoured or shelled beings.

I like how the control panel on the captains chair looked with the electric blue energy wave fluxing across the panel. I thought this looked like where this type of equipment will go.

In the book Dune they used to spice to bend space and travel to two points vastly distant without moving an inch. The big holographic planetary thing looked like a device where one would manipulate something like that.

It was sad to know how the engineers hated us but I also think that if someone was going to seed a very special planet with us, would they not want to test a variety of models and see who acted in the best regard to their surroundings.

Pythagoras said that the one thing everyone should worship and respect is water. Water is everything and studies go to show it might have a memory and more.

I like the idea of Doctor Manhattan better than the Engineer. I think our computers will become things much like David. it's nice to see the update on this.

I loved the idea of this film because for the last thirty years I have done just that looked for faces in stone and they found a really good one. In Ireland they had some speaking stones, so I am always looking for them too.

I was shocked at the way the punk geologist acted and how they got lossed? I think in Knossos, Crete the labyrinth might have been a spaceship and that when Icarus tried to escape in one of their mini ships, they self destructed the vehicle.

I also think that the surface of this planet once was an living organism. Some one cause a great bang here and fried this creature into what we now call stone.

I saw a study that this PHD geologist said the entire rocky mountains went from a liquid to a solid in a matter of moments because of signature that only a nuclear explosion could produce.

Imagine a giant conscious amoeba slowly being fried then killed with a mighty blast? Indeed you would get mountains and more as the life form reacted to it's violent death. This could have the the beginnings of our earth? Ok that is a bit corny...but these are some of my thoughts circulating because of this film.

Finally, I do want to say that writers in particular might see into the future and think they are only making it up. I think all artists might have this ability.
Thats..... Seeding the Planet with their own DNA.

What an interesting concept. Hey SageMerlin we are going to seed plant VG **888*.789 with your DNA. Your going to be all the life forms on this planet in a mere one million years! Imagine you would be the god of this planet, the force SageMerlin the Force...but do not go to the dark side like Darth did, technology will only rob you of your soul. Only water is pure , clean and vibrates at a blissful rate.

I hope you respond to some of these ideas? Cheers algis
I really sorry here about all the typos...fck!
What did you expect Alan they are writing for a people who actually think America is the greatest country on earth. You don’t give a retard Moby Dick to read you give them a comic book: Hulk, X men, Bat Man, the Green Hornet… I got news for you remove Sigourney Weaver from the Aliens movies and they wouldn’t have gotten 10 people to actually pay to see it.
What in Hell are you doing expecting logic from an action film? Anyone who's ever seen an episode of Mythbusters knows better than that. This isn't that kind of science fiction. Not that I'd bother with it, but action movies were silly when my parents were kids.

It's like expecting to see a space movie with no audible explosions (off the ship). Or expecting to see no movies involving time travel.

Just for the Hell of it:
Here's a question you never hear about time travel:
If you travel in time, WHERE would you end up? You're on a rotating planet revolving around the sun which is in turn revolving around the center of the galaxy which is in turn moving away from the Big Bang. People keep assuming that time travel would entail a stable location on the Earth's surface. Why?

Yes, we know that if you get hit over the head with a cast iron frying pan, you probably won't see little birds; you'll just sustain brain damage. As with the Three Stooges, Don't Try This At Home.

And that's where the expression Suspension Of Disbelief came from.