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APRIL 23, 2009 7:48PM

Abu Ghraib Tortured Us All

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The Abu Ghraib Prison Photos - by News


"If you are going through hell, keep going." Winston Churchill

If you're going to talk about torture, you have to start with Abu Ghraib. No one was accused of waterboarding and it might not represent the first instance of American military/CIA/government-sanctioned torture in this century, but it's the most well known and best documented so far.

There are pictures and statements and Official Explanations. And there are scapegoats already doing time. The soldiers prosecuted and imprisoned for their roles in the Abu Ghraib scandal were by all accounts ordinary men and women caught in extraordinary circumstances.

"[War] is a grim, dark business, and no matter how noble the cause for which it is fought, no matter how valiant the service, many veterans spend much of their subsequent lives trying to forget not only what was done to them and their comrades, but some of what had to be done by their hand to prevail." Senator John McCain, 2005, in support of a torture ban

It's all well and good for politicians and pundits sitting safely at home to self-righteously decry their actions, but with few exceptions (most notably Sen. McCain) we are all clueless. And we weren't there.

We're told the soldiers were normal human beings. God-fearing, church-going, patriotic servants of their country. I believe that. Just as I believe they started their assignments with honorable intentions ... at the top of an extremely slippery slope. Down which many were pushed. And the rest helplessly slid.

At first they followed orders. Not by blindly persecuting innocent citizens like the Nazis and their collaborators. But as good soldiers carrying out directives from superior officers against prisoners of war, avowed, sworn enemies of our country. That's what they were told.

We were all told that. We knew from Iraqi public broadcasts and manifestos and ongoing attacks that though not responsible for 9/11, there existed a huge cohort of brainwashed automatons in Iraq eager to destroy our soldiers and our country at any cost to themselves.

Think about it. America's at war. Many of the enemy are religious extremists willing to kill anyone who doesn't believe exactly as they do. To any rational human being that kind of thinking is irrational and barbaric. Ironically, just as were the acts perpetrated at Abu Ghraib.

War is Hell
War doesn't foster rational thought or "Christian" behavior -- especially this war. American soldiers were confused, repulsed and frankly endangered by factions of an alien culture whose members committed hideous suicides and homicides for the promise of 72 virgins and Eternal Bliss.

Our fighting men and women knew all about Saddam Hussein's heinous treatment of his own people in the name of sins against Allah. They were well indoctrinated --from the Top down-- with the concept of America Vs The Barbarians, at any cost.

Is it any wonder that some, when let loose by orders from On High, clearly dissociated from their own humanity? They'd lost friends and comrades. They were trapped in a foreign country fighting a war of politics and lies.

Then they're offered up the despised enemy on a silver platter. Not just encouraged but ordered to torture them. Of course they let loose.

Serving in Iraq is Hell
That's the real irony: our dedicated, self-sacrificing, hardworking soldiers, universal defenders of Truth, Freedom and the American Way were reduced to their own basest instincts under the influence of the Bush-Cheney 'Might-Makes-Anything-Right' policies -- and by an enemy whose battle cry is still Death by Martyrdom.

It's no wonder when faced with members of a fanatical army, many of whose members would blow up their own children in furtherance of The Cause, sadly, horribly, some of our Best and Bravest sank to the lowest common denominator to channel their overwhelming fear and rage.

Their military superiors --including their Commander in Chief-- made it known that torture is acceptable behavior in war. What individual soldier, or even group of enlisted personnel, is going to stand up and say This is madness? In the movies, maybe. It would never happen in real life.

Should we excuse them? Absolutely not. But we should help them, counsel them, seek out their craven superiors and make them pay an even higher price. Especially now that we have sane leaders who've instituted a considerably higher moral imperative for America than the Bush Administration's wartime religion of Money, Lies and Torture.

Gitmo
On a personal note, I know someone who's a military psychiatrist recently returned from an assignment at Guantánamo Bay. I don't know any details. I don't know if he was there to counsel soldiers or interrogate prisoners. I can only speculate it was the former. 

He's a physician, a medical doctor. A psychiatrist. Not only "do no harm" but more, "aid the troubled." He is kind, intelligent, decent, humane, patriotic, a man of integrity. It's inconceivable he would allow himself to participate in torture.

Here's the thing. That's what the parents, friends, loved ones of the soldiers now serving time for torturing prisoners would say about them. It's most likely true.

Plus, you'd think that with the eyes of the country firmly on Gitmo, the battle of wills over its imminent closing, torture's not happening there. But. We. Don't. Know. And we must find out the truth. The WHOLE truth.

The soldiers deserve it. The prisoners deserve it. Our country needs it. We as citizens must demand it. Because even as observers, we're all being tortured by the inhumanity of our recent past. 

At least I hope it's in the past.
 

 

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I had to say something. Tomorrow back to my regular programming.
Excellant post, Sally.
Sorry, but Iraq was not known for its suicide bombers until we invaded them in violation of international law, killed 1.3 million of them, maimed another 5 million, imprisoned thousands of innocent men, raped their fourteen year old daughters, destroyed most basic services like electricity, refused to restore those basic services, and on and on.

If some Iraqis are now suicide bombers, it is because we made them become suicide bombers by our actions.

I get what you are trying to say, but there is NO EXCUSE for torture no matter how patriotic your brainwashing might have been.

FYI - we are still torturing. A recently released Gitmo prisoner has testified that if anything the torture has gotten worse there since the inauguration.
Sally, they prosecuted some of the soldiers from Abu Ghraib, why not the people who gave the orders? We all now know they were ordered.
It was top down too...
Well written and necessary, as you said. Some things are not better left unsaid. Kudos
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I'm just sitting around gobsmacked lately by the bloody endemic amnesia on the Right. We DID protest. (It was dismissed, or vilified as anti-American, dangerous, treasonous etc., or simply mocked by the bloviating blowhards.

We DID know what was going on. We KNEW. We may not have had a fucking mouthpiece propaganda media outlet like FOX News broadcasting the truth, but damn it, we had Big Salon, and a lot of other new media that told the story plain as day for all who were willing to look for it.
Very nice, Sally. Now it's time to break with the past and chart a new course. I think Obama will succeed at that. He campaigned on "change," he is delivering on it (in my view), and his popularity sends a clear message that Americans repudiate this terrible chapter in American history and seek a nobler future.
Verbal, I know we protested but we were IGNORED.

BBE, I have been against the war from before day 1 but not against soldiers fighting and dying in it. And nobody *makes* somebody a suicide bomber. And OF COURSE there's no excuse for torture, did you think I said there was? No. I don't believe there was brainwashing, the soldiers were lied to just as we were. Then they plunged into their own abyss. Plus, we have no idea what "news" or "information" they were getting over there, lame as ours was here.

Steve, that's what I said at the end. Time for a NEW COURSE.
What verbal said. I spoke up and was shouted down. We cannot let these criminals go unpunished.

Great, thoughtful post, Sally. Truly.
Again I ask, was there a single Iraqi suicide bomber before we invaded and started committing war crimes?

Your post makes it sound like our soldiers were confronted by an enemy force chock full of suicide bombers and thus our soldiers were drawn into torture in reaction. This is not the case. Review your War Is Hell section and you may see what I mean.
Where to begin on this? The bottom line, so many of us feel, is that we must prosecute the people who created the rules that allowed for torture. The world is watching. We have a chance to restore our moral authority. If we don't, I fear for our country.
Obama and those who think we should "not look back" are absolutely wrong. The fact that imbeciles in high places are STILL trying to justify this is all that proof anyone should need that there is but one way to deal with this:

We must prosecute those who authorized this and put them in prison regardless of who they are or I guarantee it will happen again and with even less excuse next time.
It's just a crying damn shame that with all the hope and change the new administration rode in on, with the utter intellectual disintegration of the Republican party's entire approach to policy and the clear, unequivocal mandate for a new direction decreed by the voting public - our leadership still can't find the courage to just do the right thing.

Meet the new boss; same as the old boss.
The same conditions that apply to Abu Gharaib are the same ones that led to the massacre in My Lai. Soldier placed in to a situation that had them facing an enemy that didn't see death as a deterrant. Senior Officers had to come up with a plan to somehow strike fear in their hearts, something, anything to make them stop. The orders to carry out what most of us would call atrocities came from the top. They were not misunderstandings of orders carried out by over zealous underlings. These soldier were required to submit detailed logs on prisoner interrogations. Logs that were reviewed by the men who passed the orders to carry out the interrogations in this manner. Just like Lt. Calley the people who ordered this were not only never prosecuted they never saw the light of day. Only those who were tasked with the execution of these orders were sent to prison. Those who have never served led the outcry for these powerless tools of the high ranking to face the courts and they tried them in a court of ill informed public opinion. Self serving autocrats heard them and obliged. Anyone who thinks that this was justice should be ashamed.
I will end with this, a never before occurence in my life by quoting Shep Smith of Fox News, "This is America and we do not torture!"
BBE, what everybody else said. I don't know how to be any clearer. We're on the same side on this.
Okay, I want to like this post, but I find myself with BBE.

Saddam Hussein's Iraq was a horrifying tyranny, but it was a SECULAR horrifying tyranny. To say that he treated people badly in the name of sins against Allah is to be simply factually mistaken. That was the case in Afghanistan, but not in Iraq. Only after we invaded did foreign Muslim extremists enter Iraq to become suicide bombers. Most of the suicide bombers have been Yemeni, Egyptian, Saudi, or people indoctrinated by Yemenis, Saudi, and Egyptians. They are not native Iraqis trying to save their children.

Sorry, I realize that's not really the main thrust of your argument, but the lack of factual correctness is distracting.

I think, if I understand you, that your main point is that waging a dirty war has a tendency to turn even well-intentioned soldiers into monsters. And there I agree. But I don't agree that just anybody would have taken pictures grinning and waving next to a person being tortured. The people who were arrested for their part in Abu Ghraib weren't just any old normal soldiers who were corrupted as any soldier must be by having to serve there. Two of them... England and whats-his-name - were pretty vile to begin with. Left to themselves in a small town in America they would have been vile in ordinary everyday ways, by sexually harrassing subordinates and cheating on their spouses. In Abu Ghraib they were able to show their true colors. But those colors were still their colors and not imposed upon them from outside.