Letterman Guilty? Only In Petty Minds And Sometimes, His Own
UPDATE: LETTERMAN'S FULL DESCRIPTION
"I'm motivated by nothing but guilt. If you know anything about me, I am just a towering mass of Luthern, Midwestern guilt." David Letterman
Yes, his revelations Thursday night were stunning and handled with David Letterman's usual agile, controlled style. Played for laughs while sharing serious information. And, in his trademark aw shucks, self-deprecating way, slipping real truth in amidst the jests.
He's a tightly wound man in many ways. Most people know that. He's got guilt and issues galore. He relates best from behind a camera. Doesn't have a big list of close friends. And he's typically met his women at his workplace.
So what? Lots of people do the same. In this case, they're all adults. All willing participants. (You really think we wouldn't have heard otherwise by now?) He met his first longtime girlfriend through his show. His current wife that way too.
Letterman's a complicated guy. Attractive in his remoteness. Rich and famous. He's had relationships --and therefore sex-- with women who work for him.
Wow, what a surprise. Women want to have sex with a celebrity. We don't even know when these events took place. Could have been years ago.
So, please, give me a break with the Sex Crazed Letterman stories. And knock off the Sexual Harassment stories. Nobody has made any claims. Except the media.
Do not compare David Letterman to elected officials and pretend to hold him to some Higher Standard. Nobody voted for him. Except with applause and ratings.
Do not forget, David Letterman represents viewers, not voters.
Do not judge him until you have all the facts. Unless, of course, you're a Republican member of Congress or a Right Wing news commentator. Or a sexual harassment law professor hungry for your 15 minutes of fame.
Even the supposed hard news reports in the New York Times are judging. Not Op Ed. Not Entertainment. Straight news from the Times is comparing his mea culpa about his "affairs" to his poor taste joke about "Sarah Palin's 14-year-old daughter Willow."
Hello?? The joke, bad as it was, referred to 18-year-old Bristol, whose mother trumpeted the news that her of-age daughter was knocked up. And then went on to pillory Letterman by claiming his joke was about the younger daughter.
Letterman apologized. Over and over. Palin kept the whole thing alive. Great way to protect her daughters. Keep their own bad behavior front and center in the news.
David Letterman is a comedian. He's got his own show. He has a mother and a sister and a wife and a son. He's had girlfriends. He had sex with them. Who gives a damn?
If Letterman truly had anything to hide, do you think he'd go to the police? The DA? The Grand Jury? Do you think he'd participate in a sting? Celebrities have been paying off blackmailers forever. Think Michael Jackson.
There's a story here, but it isn't about Letterman's sex life. A man, a fellow CBS employee, a powerful 48 Hours producer tried to blackmail him. It's wrong on so many levels. And it's against the law.
Celebrity is blackmailed. Participates in a sting. Alleged perp is arrested. That's legitimate news.
The rest is just another nauseating celebrity feeding frenzy.
CBS pulled the original video but I found another that seems to work, shown now above. Here's a news one, which basically backs me up...


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I stayed up to watch the show, even though it was set up to tape. Our local NEWS stations were teasing it @ 9, 9:30, etc. Once I watched, I realized what iLd been waiting for: the reveal. To watch and listen and study and laugh along w the studio audience, but to Know. To Know before them, and to hear it in their voices, even their sighs, when they realized... This, this is Real.
Hmm.
Steve, you have a point and it's part of mine. This is more about the blackmailer.
Jane, you have a perfect right to be disappointed. I'm just glad you're not rushing to judgment. That's what the media's doing.
"Dave's not guilty of anything that affects us".
I read one story on CNN and your post just now--that's all the attention this is going to get from me.
:-)
However, I am glad they nailed the blackmailer. Asshole.
Regardless, my impression from the news was that these assignations occurred in the past, how far in the past I don't know and I don't NEED to know. The man is married, he has a child, and he isn't the first guy to have sex with co-workers and he won't be the last. As long as everyone was adult, and no marriages were damaged in the process (meaning no one was married when it occurred) who cares? Really?
Well said, Sally. As always.
Hope you're doing well, lady. Still thinking of you every day.
You can bet your hemorrhoid medication Rush and Glenn will jump on this with both feet. And if I may be permitted a catty aside of my own, it's hard to imagine anyone wanting to jump either of their bones -- boss or not. In Rush's case, it may impossible to even find his bones.
There a six billion people on the planet. They didn't get here because people are keeping it in their pants. Sheesh!
It's like when they toasted Clinton. None of our effing business.
Walk Away, you said it with a lot fewer words than I.
Dorinda, he is what he is, as I said, lots of people are basically defined by their work and live their lives there. Look how he changed when he had a child. Best thing in his life is Harry.
Bob, you too nailed it with fewer words. I need to try your style more often.
Lea, you nailed what I forgot to say, and Saturn did about the news... there are Much more important issues affecting our lives.
Bill, thanks for the support. And for the support. It means a lot. Am trying to be "of the world" best I can for as long as possible.
jane, I hear you. Plus, well, uh, been there, done that. Years and years and years ago. Very. Very. Much. Fun.
B1, how totally pithy. Wish I'd said it that way. (What's up with everybody's comments being better than my post??)
Tom, I will now officially have creepy dreams about Rush. Blech. But you're totally right. Um, left. You know what I mean.
Stellaa, you added to my lesson in how to say this right. "Faux morality" is just perfect.
Verbal, now you bring the Lord into this, jeez... heh
Michael, you're right, but don't bring up Clinton, so to speak, (though I totally agree with you), because people will say they nailed him because "he lied." Everybody lies about extra-marital blow jobs, sheesh. But Letterman (and some smart others) learned a lesson from the Clinton idiocy... better not to lie.
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Chuck, exactly, and even politicians get bad raps to sell supposed news.
Boreville, only one husband who likes Letterman, Clinton and well, come to think of it, the rest if NOYB.
AJ, always a treat to try to decode your poems.
Kathy, you win my thanks and a loyal thumb to your good work. Though according to Cartrish, rating's overrated these days.
CT, not being around as much, I hadn't noticed and so did my usual jokes. Sorry they fell flat for you.
Zuma, all the "news" outlets are trying to tie in Palin. She sells too. I agree with you, Dave will weather this. If anybody does come forward at this late date, I would be skeptical of motive.
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A man, a fellow CBS employee, a powerful 48 Hours producer tried to blackmail him. It's wrong on so many levels. And it's against the law.
THAT is a story. Really the only one. The rest is tabloid fodder.
Whaa! The basterd! Braggart! Whaaa!
conspiracy theory: He made it up to get us to think he still has it.
wschanz, if I'm right (and I think I am, but I've occasionally been wrong), the dalliances were years ago so you can put down your saber, so to speak...
I tend to admire and respect people who stand up and take their licks, as he seems to be doing here.
Your story on the other hand used it to attack the Palin daughters.
The Palin's didn't ask Dave to make a joke about the daughter she took to the Yankee's game.
The daughter Sarah took to the Yankee's baseball game was underage 14 year old Willow. The joke Dave told never mentioned Bristol. The joke Dave told pissed the Palin's off and if it was your daughter wouldn't you be pissed?
As for the bad behavior comment, you assign blame to both daughters.
One daughter got pregnant. Sarah's seventeen year old daughter Bristol was "punished" with a pregnancy for having sex with her boyfriend. Teenagers having sex. Wow what a surprise!
But you said daughters... plural. Calling the 14 year old Willow's attendance of a baseball game with her mother "bad behavior" is ridiculous. Maybe you know something bad she did that I don't. Otherwise, you did exactly what Dave did to the Palin's.
You put your foot in your mouth about an innocent little girl named Willow Palin because you don't like her mom.
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Blackmail is another story. It's against the law. It IS the story. Nothing else.
patricia k, he's human, famous and rich... of course women want to have sex with him. And we agree, who cares.
Sirenita, that's something else I forgot to mention in my post... the people making the most self-righteous noise might need to get laid themselves. And some do that in illegal ways as we well know. Nothing like a hypocritical asshat to make my day.
O'Really, my point precisely. Letterman's private life has always been private, except for what he's chosen to tell us. His style of woman is a private person too. Otherwise, we'd have heard *something* during his almost 30 years in show biz. It's the blackmail that should be the focus.
Kelly, let's jump up and down and yell together. Or hold our breaths til we turn blue. This pisses me off in so many ways. O'Reilly and dozens of Wingnut politicians get a pass and Letterman's the "bad guy"? Give me a freakin break.
lefty, thanks for support. Perhaps you'd like to spar with poorsinner about Sarah Palin? Sheesh.
I listened and I get it. You hate Sarah Palin. You feel empowered and obligated to defend those like Dave who make fun of and joke about her children.
It's all Sarah's fault. She shouldn't have had children that get pregnant while underage and unmarried. It's her fault she couldn't stop a 17 year old from having sex with her boyfriend. It's her fault for loving her children and wanting to have them with her during the GOP convention. It's her fault for loving her Down Syndrome baby instead of aborting it. It's her fault she's a middle class mother that had to work her way through college instead becoming an ivy league affirmative action community organizer. It's her fault she's just one of the folks and not some elitist pompous pontificate that knows better than us ignorant masses.
Dave messed up, you messed up, and I messed up for even thinking you would see the hypocrisy of your post.
So get on your high freaking horse, and ride Sally, ride.
Again, please do NOT put words in my mouth, especially about Downs children. You don't know me. And again, this isn't about Sarah Palin, or me, or your anger... it's about David Letterman being blackmailed, which is a crime.
I'm not putting words in your mouth about the Palin daughters. You brought them up and lamely attempted to excuse those like Dave that make them the butt of their jokes.
You don't know what Sarah did or didn't discuss with Bristol about sex. Alaska is not an abstinence-only education state. And since when did promoting abstinence become such a bad thing? And what the hell does it matter to you how she does or doesn't feel about sex education?
Do you support gay marriage? Well Obama doesn't. It's a difference of opinion. I suppose his self-righteously authority on this matter makes his children fair game for jokes about their sexual preferences. What? You mean to say his beliefs on sexual matters don't have a freaking thing to do with his children. And we should leave them alone. They're not fair game and we should shame those that make them the butt of bad taste jokes and humiliating gossip.
Finally, we agree on something else. Because I stated right off the bat that I agree with you that this about BLACKMAIL. You're the one who decided to weigh in the Palin daughters. And you never should have gone there!
And yet, I can't get the thought out of my mind: one day, this *will* be a movie.
I don't get the whole "he MUST have coerced or harrassed these women into having sex with him" thing. Uh, Dave Letterman's funny, wealthy, and from what I've heard, a pretty decent and likeable guy. What's the surprise there? I don't think gapped teeth really matter that much to most women.
Letterman's also telling the truth about "Lutheran, Midwestern guilt." The Catholics and the Jews got nothing on the Missouri Synod Lutherans. Trust me--my Dad's entire family is made up of them. They got around looking for things to beat themselves up over.
I also think that if you took a poll of married folks and asked them where they met their spouses, "at work" comes in third, just behind "in school" and "introduced by friends."
Leeandra, if you saw it, there's no doubt what he said about guilt (quoted above) was 100% sincere. I know some of the players and very seriously doubt Anybody was coerced. It's not Dave's style. He's not the aggressor.
Lainey, we agree, many people meet sig others and spouses at work. In Letterman's case, there'd be nobody for him to date *above* him, unless at CBS, so logically his dating pool was employed by his company. He focused on the show, not so much the company or the employees. Mostly, back in the day, he dated writers. I so totally agree about the victim nonsense. I said so re Monica... powerful men have women throwing themselves at their feet. Adults who consent are not victims... except of self-righteous media hacks and blackmailers.
poorsinner, for the FINAL time, Sarah Palin preached abstinence to the country as one of her firm religious beliefs as a VP candidate. One would have to assume she said the same to her children. *She* used her children for publicity, people who do that reap what they sow. And again, let's agree this is about BLACKMAIL. No more Palin. Enough. Finished.
Here's what stands out the most to me: David Letterman never told people how to live or love or even vote. He makes jokes for a living, not policy. And, until proven otherwise, his acts weren't illegal, his *blackmailer's* were.
iam, you and me both. The guy's a sleaze. Some news outlets report he got a lot of his info from Stephanie Birkett, who always seemed like a hard-working, nice girl but reportedly had an affair with Dave. Another woman who now claims she did too, says she was "madly in love" with Dave and would have married him. Just as I said, nobody appears to have been coerced. And, trust me, Mrs Regina Letterman knows her husband. She doesn't need --or I'd bet anything-- want our help.
I'd call it consensual if the women were not his employee's. Cuz that's how it rolls in the real world.
I just know that I want dinner. I'm simple like that.
Even David Letterman is entitled to his privacy. I agree with you: what went on is between him and his partner, between him and the people with whom he had affairs, and that's it.
Time to move on; nothing to see here.
Mary, I'm with you, he's a master at expressing himself which also makes him very attractive to women. It's no surprise that the other half of his audience is men... it's that devilish silliness that attracts them. He's a grown up Cartman.
katbron, welcome and thank you!
Beth, it's about sex so I'm surprised you're not paying just a little attention... what IS for dinner tonight anyway?
flw, I think he handled it well but the whole thing was doomed to becoming a traffic accident. And of course it'll be on the side of the road for quite a while.
Ellen, I've been tempted to do something with 'Going Rogue' but, well, that would mean I'd have to read the book. Not sure my stomach or my nervous system could take it...
Lettermen seems totally genuine and private to me. I could be wrong, but will wait to attack him once there are facts suggesting he merits it.
Well done, Sally.
However, I need to exercize my right to pun fun.
Since whatever occurred between Letterman and whoever was obviously consensual, we need to point out that the woman/women was/were also sleeping with his staff which makes all "things" equal..
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Dear Sally, I agree, Dave was Blackmailed... thats the story.
Your story on the other hand used it to attack the Palin daughters.
The Palin's didn't ask Dave to make a joke about the daughter she took to the Yankee's game.
The daughter Sarah took to the Yankee's baseball game was underage 14 year old Willow. The joke Dave told never mentioned Bristol. The joke Dave told pissed the Palin's off and if it was your daughter wouldn't you be pissed?
As for the bad behavior comment, you assign blame to both daughters.
One daughter got pregnant. Sarah's seventeen year old daughter Bristol was "punished" with a pregnancy for having sex with her boyfriend. Teenagers having sex. Wow what a surprise!
But you said daughters... plural. Calling the 14 year old Willow's attendance of a baseball game with her mother "bad behavior" is ridiculous. Maybe you know something bad she did that I don't. Otherwise, you did exactly what Dave did to the Palin's.
You put your foot in your mouth about an innocent little girl named Willow Palin because you don't like her mom.
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Firstly, let me apologize for reproducing this comment in its entirety, but I wanted to make absolutely certain that everyone got a good look at the context. Context is everything.
Poorsinner101, you have taken a post about a celebrity being blackmailed and tried to twist it into an attack on Sarah Palin. Listen, McCain/Palin was a losing ticket - time to get over it. Sarah Palin time and again was caught spouting bullshit from the campaign pulpit. Some of it was outright lies and half-truths. America spoke in November 2008. That's all there is, bud.
Dave Letterman is a comedian. It's his job to make fun of people, particularly politicians. For the very last time, the joke he made was in poor taste as was noted by a bunch of people.
Nowhere did he call Sarah Palin's daughter a prostitute, as your link so nicely tries to claim. If anything, his jokes were more direct statements on the behavior and character of Elliot Spitzer and Alex Rodriguez.
Now how about you grow up? If you object so vociferously to this post, why not go write your own damn post? You act like it is your G-d-given right to continuously spout your rhetoric in comments - it's not. You've had your say, and Sally has been more than polite in indulging you.
Sally, my apologies for the length of this comment. I know you don't need me to defend you.
And now I see Jay Leno has jumped on the adultery train. What is this, a contest? Disgusting.
If Palin had her way, it would be.
Bill, I love it when you defend me. It makes me feel all girly and protected. Especially when we're both right. :)
Barb, you're entitled to your outrage but I think it's a little over the top. Nobody here, including me, is saying adultery is okay. In fact, based on Dave's remarks last night, the incidents, as I've posited here, took place before he was married. You say nobody mentions women adulterers? Um, Madonna, Jessica Simpson, even Barbara Walters.. there are many, many more. Dave's wife doesn't seem to be going anywhere. IMHO, none of us is in a position to pass unilateral judgement here. Unless we're called to serve on the blackmailer's trial jury.
Thank you, Palindrome. Nice to see you.
OES, yes, the PR's been great. No, it's not the health care debate, but it's certainly taken on a multiple news cycle life and they continue to handle it well.
keenplan, I have a life, and I like television. Rude people, not so much.
Maryellen, we seem to be on the same page.
Sorry I missed you earlier, T Rex. Are there any abstinence-only states?
DL is not immoral dor having sex. But i used to have a college professor that always liked to ay "I don't have morals but I have ethics"
Is it possible he behavior was unethical and causes harm to others.
It eas reprted today that all CBS employees have to sign an agreement hat if this occurs it must be made known to management, but apparently he has a loophole because he technically does not work for CBS. Most employers have such rules and do not allow bosses and subordinates to have relationships.
Here is a story that happened to me at my employer.
I worked for a 3rd level manager that assigned me and another person on a grueling engineering project that cost me a year of 60 to 70 hours weeks. To keep it short the project was not popular with the rest of his organization. My friend and I were successful at creating a new advanced technology. Two patents were received eventually.
Now at the same time the 3rd level started having an affair with a woman 2nd level that reported to him. He had a male 2nd level reportee as well. The male was one of the opponents of the project.
He was not to discrete and many became suspicious.
When the opponents of the project could not stop it based on and good business reason (after all he was the boss), they complained to HR about the affair. The male 2bd level actually did a reverse on the normal sexual harassment saying he was unfairly treated because he was NOT having sex with his manager but his pier was.
he was shortly removed and then immediately my year of hard work was just canned.
What is my point? It is that I was hurt because he violated the rules od my employer. These are not moral rules but ethical rule and they are there for a reason. This episode thew my career as a senior engineer off track because I was the idiot that worked my ass off for the technology that now was tainted because the boss was tainted. Typically the hard work I did would have been rewarded. Instead I was given the cold shoulder and hod no project to work on. All because my manager could not simply handle this better.
Lets also consider Bill Clinton. One must admit that unfair or not the Lewinsky thing had to hurt the dem party and possibly cost the party the next election. Think about how many people (not that I care about this a lot) that devoted tireless work to the party with some hope that success would gain them some favor. Well Clinton screwed them all because he just had to have a blow job.
Is DL a criminal or immoral, no? But is it possible his actions will or have hurt others personally? My guess is there is someone there that is hurt. It think it is almost impossible for it not to be true.
So basically I just don't like his actions. Couldn't he just check his actions and find women outside the workplace.
And now he continues to use it as jokes. Maybe the women involved would like it to just go away. The more he keeps it up the more likely someone will get hurt or embarrassed.
He could have behaved much better and he certainly now is not in a position to poke jokes at anyone else that behaves questionably but within the law.
His attacks on Palin and many others he does not agree with politically are just mean spirited and to get laughs. Cant he get a laugh with a good joke that does not involve any public figure. Yes he can, he has writers to do that. But he enjoys trashing people.
To me that is lacking ethics and common decency.
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Ina, you said in one paragraph exactly how I feel. Thank you!
Elizabeth, I'm not sure if you're complimenting or skewering me. I tried to figure it out but I've never seen a yawn in print, and it's often just as hard to see sarcasm. Or not?
Ralph, as always, thank you!