
"If you can't tell me what you want, I can't serve you. It's up to you. If you can't read, if you can't say the word cheese, how can I communicate with you - and why should I have to bend? I got a business to run." Joey Vento, owner, Geno's Steaks
If you think "We know them when we see them' is bad, you've never been to Philly. The debate reached new heights a few years ago and is still raging. Sometimes quietly, sometimes not.
No, we haven't passed bigoted and probably illegal hate legislation. Here, it's more about business than politics. And one man's courageous --or outrageous, you decide-- stand.
First, no matter what Tea Baggers or Arizona say, America is a country of immigrants. Few places have known that fact better or longer than New York, Boston and Philadelphia. Few places have treated immigrants better, or worse, than those cities.
America is also a country of individualists. Eccentrics. Characters. Some you love. Some you love to hate. Many of our locally grown here have come out of South Philly.
South Philly was, and still is, primarily an Italian neighborhood. Paison central. Close knit, territorial, more than a little inbred, enormously proud of its Italian heritage. Mobbed up? Sure. Politically connected? you bet.
If you're running for any office in the land, you better eat at Pat's or Geno's.
Ahem... wonder if she asked for moose meat?

And over at Pat's... (See, this is why I'm a Pat's girl).

Does South Philly have borders? Only other Philadelphia neighborhoods.
Immigrants still flock to South Philly, many from Itality but a growing number from Asian and especially Hispanic countries. The streets are bustling and lively, housing cheap and plentiful, people, for the most part, mind their own business. And frankly, with so many Italian restaurants per square foot, lots of busboys, dishwashers and janitors are needed.
American Englitch, South Philly Style Which wife is that? Where they can get our world famous People Food. Soft pretzels. Pizza. Tasty Kakes. Hoagies. And most of all, best of the best, cheese steaks. All courtesy of South Philly. Loved by top chefs everywhere. Geno's Pat's Neither apparently not very fattening... HA! Cheese Wit?
From a Geno's t-shirt.
Sout Philly is solid, flag-flying American to the core. But it has a language all it's own. Philadelphia is pronounced Fluffya. You don't say "hey," you say "YO!" There's the ever popular youse, Philly-speak for "y'all". 
If you're thirsty, get a drink of wooder. If it's cold in the house, close the windez. And by the way, what schtreet do you live on?
Make no mistake though, even if it sounds strange to the rest of the country, Sout Fluffyans speak Englitch and are proud of it.
If you've seen the movie "Rocky" or the more recent "Invincible" you got a realistic slice of South Philly life.
Speaking of slice, South Philly is also all about Italian food.
Sure, Philadelphia has world class restaurants of every possible ethnic and epicurean style. Celebs flock to them. But they go more often to "the corner." 



Philly folks, whether they live in South Philly or on the posh Main Line are typically loyalists when it comes to Sout' Philly's two top diagonally placed cheesesteak stands, Pat's and Geno's.
You're either a Pat's person or a Geno's person. As I said, I'm a Pat's girl, through and through. My son is a Geno's guy. My husband's that rare breed who just gets in the shortest line.
There you go, two more things that make America great. Freedom of Choice. Opportunity. There's another on display at that corner these days: Freedom of Expression.
~~~~~THE SIGN~~~~~ Maybe you heard about the Philly brouhaha over a sign (see photo above) --This is AMERICA ... WHEN ORDERING SPEAK ENGLISH -- put up by Geno's colorful owner, Joey Vento. Even in Englitch, you still have to know how to order. Even more to Joey V's point, I've lived in foreign countries and made sure I learned enough to get around. So if I can order 'Pepsi con ghiaccio' in Rome or "pommes frites" in Paris, an Hispanic immigrant living in South Philly can learn to say "cheese wit" if he wants a steak sandwich with onions and cheese Whiz at Geno's. (Don't gag. Trust me, it's heaven). Baseball Signs What Kind of American English Do You Speak? What, no Sout Fluffya? Here's the jackpot quiz: How American Are You? The very first question is about guns. Yep, it's an American quiz for sure. Speaking of scores... excuse me while I go watch a Phillies game. And cheer some "hometown" players named Ibanez, Polanco, Castro, Ruiz, Bastardo and Contreras. There you go, our National Pastime, All-American style. Final Note: No matter the many personal and political theories about immigration and speaking English, when it comes to the Phillies, any language will do. 
Joey V was born in South Philly. His parents were Italian immigrants and had trouble learning English. But at least they tried. And managed to get by. Joey thinks every immigrant should try too.
I can't say I disagree. Whenever we travel to foreign countries we try to learn a few critical phrases. "Where's the bathroom?" "Can you help me?" "Excuse me." Most people in those countries have been responsive and kind, applauding and encouraging our efforts.

Philadelphia's Commission on Human Relations filed a discrimination complaint against Geno's for that sign. They lost. Obviously they needed Oprah on their side. Fail.
As far as I know, Geno's hasn't turned anybody away. Joey Vento is simply expressing a widespread and growing frustration with immigrants --especially illegal ones-- who can't or won't learn English.
I think Joey's sign is over the top. But the sentiment resonates with anyone who lives anywhere in America among a large foreign-born, foreign-speaking population.
It isn't rocket science, it's common sense: if you move to America and plan to live your life here, you should learn to speak English. Period. Still, we all should give you a chance --and some help-- to learn. Whoever you are.
During baseball season in 2006 Son and I went to "the corner" for some cheesesteaks.The triangle was packed with people and cars. Okay, the sign had just become national news, but it was 4 PM on a Thursday afternoon. WTF?
Then we caught on. New York and New Jersey license plates. Mets shirts. Phillies shirts. The game was over and the crowds wanted to eat and debate.
"It's a disgrace," one man said to my son after asking, "Which is the place with the sign?" then heading for Geno's much longer line, camera in hand.
"Yo, youse seen da sign? Dem people should learn howta speak Englitch," came, ironically, from another fine Philly American.
I'm beginning to think phone menus in Philadelphia should offer three options.
For English, press one.
For Spanish, press two.
For Sout' Philly Englitch, press tree.
One final note. I took a couple of quizzes on the subject.
Your Linguistic Profile:
40% General American English
35% Yankee
15% Dixie
5% Upper Midwestern
0% Midwestern
You Are 60% American
Most times you are proud to be an American. Though sometimes the good ole US of A makes you cringe. Still, you know there's no place better suited to be your home. You love your freedom and no one's going to take it away from you!
I wonder how Joey Vento would score. (Tell us how you do).
You probably do that for your team too. So do Diamondbacks fans. Where would baseball be without its valuable foreign-born players, many Hispanic? 


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Now I'm hungry!
There is no better cheese steak in the entire world.
I hung around with several co-workers from South Philly. I even got to meet some Mafia families. Nice but kind of scary.
R
By the way, because I'm a nut for phonetics, I'd have ended that Hebrew with a zion instead of a samech, unless you want to say it with a Dutch accent.
As per speaking English: I kind of agree, which is why I (as I'm sure you do) support every program for ESL and bilingual teachers to help kids in public schools. There are lots of volunteer oppurtunities to learn the basics of ESL and tutor adults here. I have tried to work the training into my schedule.
I also regret not keeping up with my Spanish - being bilingual (or tri or more!) seems to me to be the peak of knowledge.
I've been to Philly exactly once, in an ill fated attempt to bring a classic BMW home. The car thing didn't work out but I spent a memorable day running around town with a local.
What amazed this westerner most was how obviously old the city is. My local guide had no idea what I meant by that.
Anyways, you really captured the city and the whole immigration issue in the process, but no cheese whiz, okay?
Fay, cheesesteaks at Sesame Place? Well, okay, better than none at all. Next time you're in the area, call me and I'll take you to Pat's.
Bob, the test doesn't lie. Can I see your passport? heh
Dave, come and get one! Do not accept imitations from other cities.
Bonnie, you too. You're always in. :)
Blackflon, you will appreciate my story about Philly politics, South Philly style... How I Almost Got Arrested on Election Day
Donna, you and I are on the same page. I'm betting all commenters are, so far. We'll see if there's any reaction to Joey's sign here.
koshersal, thank you!! If you look in the background of that sign you'll see a silvery structure... it's a synagogue famously designed by Frank Lloyd Wright. Reform, what do they know about correct Hebrew spelling? ;)
aim, HOAGIES. No matter what they're called elsewhere, they were invented right here in Philly. Jeez, do I have to tell that story too? heh We do agree on ESL, there should be more classes.
Jonathan, ahem, "next-to-perfect" ??? Get outta heah.
Stacey, as we say here, tanks much.
NOTICE: Not rating could make me send Richard Simmons to your house to sweat you around. Just sayin...
I'm 100% Sicilian. Both sets of my grandparents came over on the boat from Nicosia. Only one member of each family learned English (like MOST of the immigrants of their time). The rest didn't because they spent the majority of their lives speaking their native language in their Chicago neighborhood (Bridgeport).
ESPECIALLY, considering how they were treated and how they lived (i.e. CHOSE to not learn English), I've always been constantly amazed at how bigoted Italians (and especially Sicilians are) towards other minority groups. They seem to take a tremendous amount of pride in who can be the most outrageously stupid about it.
As a person who was a long time California resident, I can guarantee you (and the "Joey's of the world) that the percentage of undocumented aliens in the U.S. work much harder to learn English than Joey's or my ancestors did (and I'm not sure I'd buy the claim that Joey really speaks English himself = "youse" is NOT a word!). So that little saying about "glass houses" keeps popping into my mind...
To paraphrase the words of another person who's post I read this morning on another site ( http://www.ourbiggayborhood.com/2010/06/concerned-women-for-american-prejudges-study-about-lesbian-parenting/comment-page-1/#comment-2381 ):
"Joey" (freak'in, pu-lease) is entitled to this own opinions. However, he's not entitled to his own facts or history. In the interest of logic, reality, and integrity, it’s time for him, and those whose prejudices are fed by the likes of him, to learn that distinction.
(with total respect to the brilliant Fannie from whom I copp'ed the gist of her brilliant words. (http://fanniesroom.blogspot.com/ ) )
In very generic terms it's a concept we can get our heads around.
And then there are the egregious examples we do not like, which means our principals/theories bang up against horrific examples we do not want to condone or support.
Telling someone to order in english seems far more tolerable than "get out of here, you're [black/brown/Yellow/gay/fat/male/female/ugly/whatever]."
However, you'll never convince me to put cheese whiz on an otherwise perfectly good sandwich!
j lynne, glad you enjoyed.
Gwool, good points and my reply is what I just said to Safe_Bet. Although your argument, as a card-carrying WASP, was more, shall we say, detached.
Steve, with your love of history you've never been to Phila?? Get yourself here, man, we're the Birthplace of America. And I bet I can get you to eat your cheesesteak with whiz.
maatkare, Pat's is better anyway. Plus, I'll take you to Jim's which is in a category by itself with zero controversy.
Judy, details, details. I didn't name the synagogue but the cat's out now. They call themselves Conservative but are more like KI. (Big sisters just won't let you get away with anything, jeez).
How are you and the other half?
I've been a Pat's person ever since, in the 50's, we'd sneak out of lunch hour at South Catholic High School at 9th & Christian, run to Pats, eat the cheesesteak on our way back.
Pat's steaks are so great, and have always been, because the grill is stacked with eons of grease. Talk about seasoning a pan or grill, this is the ultimate seasoned surface. (I'm sure it's been replaced a number of times).
The reach of Pat's is great. When Donna and I went to pick out silver for our wedding back in 1981 at Geary's, the woman who helped us was Pat's former wife.
The year before I met Donna I was at the Improv, hitting on a lovely blonde lady, told her I was from Philly, talked about Pat's steaks and she said, "I'm Pat's daughter."
Pat's forever.
I wasn't going to go there, seeing as how sixtycandles started,
My Sicilian bigots (and relatives) deep dish pizza and Blackhawks can kick your Italian bigots punk ass Cheese Steak and Flyers ass any day of the week!
Loved it - great post - great message.
I grew up in "da Bronx"..so, I kind of understand.
I'm practicing "the stance." (Congrats on the EP and "top of the fold.")
gooners, YO! Rocky was pure Sout Philly. Which also sounds like Sout Jersey, as opposed to North Joisey.
Sarah, a Philly cheesesteak only counts if you eat it in Philly. Or, okay, "down the shore."
JohnnyBoni, how da hell are ya? Great story about Pat's daughter! I took Donna and Sasha to JIM's (my real personal fave) and they loved it. Get your tushies up here already.
Karen, for a Canadian you are remarkably well versed in Fluffya speak. I'd love to get together wit chew.
Bob, great story. Geno's gets their killer hot sauce from their Hispanic friends and employees. AHEM. You can look for pics of wrestlers here
trilogy, "da Bronx" qualifies you absolutely to unnerstand Fluffya.
aim, now I have to tell the HOAGIE story.
Stacey, thank you.
Joan, as the wise guys say in Philly, "Leave the boyfriend. Take the cheesesteak."
Btw, Karen, you go girl!!
The sign is proper, and since he went through so much crap and stood his ground I only eat there.
I was stationed in Italy for 2 years, the better my Italian got the less and less everything cost. Everyone expects you to learn the language of the country you live in. It's the illegals, and a bunch of lazy people that make a fuss.
It's funny but the gormet here don't match the regular there. Cheese stakes, hoagies, tripe sandwhiches and real bar-b-que. Where else?
So we talk'in vendetta here? Just remember that I AM Sicilian and that Joseph "Uncle Joe" Ligambi really is my Uncle Joe!
I've always wanted to go to Geno's. So the next time I'm in town, who is going to give me a ride? I don't think the city would like it if I parked this thing in the street just to get a cheesesteak to go.
BTW, I'm buying.
mary gravitt, I remember hearing about Velveeta and ketchup on an English muffin being called pizza. Yikes!
Safe_Bet, so what do I gotta do to make nice wit chew? Hmm. Buddy's dead, Vince is in jail, my protection's not what it was onst. Dint you like my story about da paisans in Sout Philly? How I Almost Got Arrested on Election Day
Cat, you can park in front of my house, I'll take you to Geno's. It's in da neighborhood.
I really enjoyed this essay--fun and informative.
But Gino can go fu----
Well, let's just say he wouldn't be welcome in my home. Tit for tat.
Thanks for the cool essay Sally!
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But a very educational post - especially for a non-American! Thank you Sally.
and as for your poll, where is Ebonglish?
I am tri lingual: english, ebonics, french. Although now having live din the south for a period I am picking up Dixie. I lived in Phiily for while and when to University in PA with lots of friends from Philly. It IS a different tongue. (you NAILED it with 'Press TREE' !!! I had to LOL at that).
oops.
I also think people ought to learn a few phrases in their new country. Its the right thing to do.
The most valuable words in another language you can ever learn are "How do you say....". Them you learn to pantomime. If you don't speak english and you know you're going to want a cheesesteak, grab a english/spanish dictionary or look it up online, fercrissake. THIS is how language is learned. Not in the classroom, but in practical day to day life while trying to get your needs met, whatever they might be. The classroom is for us schmucks who don't have the luxury to live and work in a country and learn a language through total immersion. Here they are, immersed, what better way is there to learn English? Learn the word for cheesesteak and please and thank you, then go order it. What?
JD, glad you enjoyed too.
Kellylark, you're right, accept no stinkin substitutions!
Little Kate, trust me when I tell you no matter what it looks like, it tastes divine.
Malusinka, wha', you done spik Englitch? Jeez. heh
MaddieP, I LOVE Ebonglish. Glad you enjoyed and obviously we agree everybody should learn a *little* bit of the language wherever they are, especially though emersion. You just forgot one phrase critical to learn: "Where is the bathroom?"
All this regional weirdness is really great and it's one of our strengths. Plus, I don't care what language you order it in, we'll figure it out somehow.
You Speak Dixie!
50% Dixie
50% General American English
You Are 47% American