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JUNE 29, 2012 1:46PM

My Ex Connection to Nora Ephron, Another View

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“I married him against all evidence. I married him believing that marriage doesn't work, that love dies, that passion fades, and in so doing I became the kind of romantic only a cynic is truly capable of being.” Nora Ephron, Heartburn    


I've led an interesting life in politics, journalism, entertainment and social media. In many cases with few or no degrees of separation from well known people. 

Therein lies my Nora Ephron connection ... through her former husband Carl Bernstein. I knew her, not well, and appreciated her rapid fire wit, but found her oddly vulnerable and largely pedestrian for someone possessing such a vaunted literary pedigree.

I liked her collection of essays, Crazy Salad, found I related to much of it, though she was quite a bit older. When Harry Met Sally was arguably her cinematic tour de force. Still, I found it more than a little whiny and self-centered. A theme repeated throughout her work.

So I was less impressed or inspired by her essays and other movies. I didn't like Sleepless in Seattle or You've Got Mail, both formulaic, insipid and predictable. I especially didn't like Heartburn, the fictional story of her real marriage to Carl Bernstein. Jack Nicholson? As Carl Bernstein? Seriously? She bascially requested an actor who personified The Devil, in case we missed the point of how vile Carl was to poor little Nora.

Sure, it was her side of the story, the movie was her bully pulpit, and during their marriage Carl behaved badly. But was she the Perfect Wife? I found myself wondering about the extent of her rage and self-pity --surely not all directed at Carl-- and how it skewed hers and our prespective.
 

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Woodward and Bernstein @The Washington Post UPI / Bettmann

"Carl’s a phenomenal jitterbugger. At parties in high school, we danced together. ... if I saw him in the nursing home and somebody put on Bill Haley, we could get up and do it again." Annie Groer, Washington Post reporter

My Carl Bernstein Connection
In the early to mid 70s, working in politics, I lived much of the time at a friend's Georgetown house. My friend was a few years older, she'd actually worked at the Watergate during the break-in. And she knew everybody.

A lot of journalists and politicians were frequent visitors to the House at 37th and P. One of them, a rumpled, driven, chainsmoking reporter named Carl Bernstein pretty much lived there too. He wasn't famous. Yet. But there was something about him... special, compelling. And yes, even sweet.

Carl was fun and funny, a party guy, intense and yet full of nonsense, a self-confident man with the ladies -- when he wasn't slaving at the Washington Post trying to make a name for himself.

If you're a Boomer, or have studied any American politics, you know what's coming.

Carl started working more and hanging out less. He and Woodward were onto something big. When Carl fell through the door late at night, he was bursting with stories about break-ins and cover-ups and sleazy wheelings and dealings in the Nixon administration.

We should have paid more attention, but we were young and --in retrospect-- as clueless as everybody else about what was happening to our country.


The Watergate Connection

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"The burglars who broke into the headquarters of the Democratic National Committee at the Watergate were, in effect, breaking into the home of every citizen." Senator Sam Ervin

If you were a toddler when the Watergate scandal tore the country apart, consider yourself lucky. But don't for a minute think Watergate didn't have an effect on you.

The break-in and the events stemming from it set the political scandal bar at an all time high -- or, more accurately, low.

Watergate put our liberty, lives and the government itself in jeopardy. Bob Woodward, Carl Bernstein and The Washington Post exposed a scenario of desperately deep corruption, huge payoffs and serious criminal acts, from the President on down.

They literally brought a corrupt president and administration to its knees. Highly placed Nixon administration officials went to jail. Nixon himself escaped that penalty only by resigning the Presidency.

Woodward and Bernstein can be justifiably proud of their historic accomplishment. They co-authored a best-selling book, All the President's Men which subsequently became a movie.

Trust me, Dustin Hoffman was so convicing as Carl it was actually kind of creepy to see a friend portrayed so realistically on screen. Even creepier for Carl himself.


The Smothers Brothers Connection

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Before the movie and all the fame, Carl and Bob crisscrossed the country on book tours. One day Carl came to Philly to flog the book on a nationally syndicated talk show taped locally at KYW TV.

By then I was living in Philly again. I picked him up at the airport, took him to my house for a breather, then on to the studio. We were both beyond excited. The Smothers Brothers were also among the day's guests.

If you don't know, The Smothers Brothers were a wildly popular topical comedy team with their own show on CBS. Which CBS cancelled when they got too political. Another story.

Carl, new to the Fame Game, wondered over and over if it would be dorky to ask for their autograph. I urged him to go for it. Over and over.

But he was still dorky Carl. Who didn't want to act like a dork. We walked into the Green Room and there they were. The Smothers Brothers.

Carl's sweaty hand grabbed mine as he fumbled for words, clearly star struck.

Tommy Smothers stood up and said, "You're Carl Bernstein."

"Uh, yeah," was Carl's articulate answer.

Tommy picked up a book from the end table. It was, of course, All The President's Men. Sheepishly, he held the book out to Carl. "I hope you don't think this is dorky," Tommy said, "but can I have your autograph?"


The Carl and Nora Connection
Thus began Carl's education on his drawing power and his entry into the highest levels of the literati. Did it go to his head? You bet.

Did he marry a woman with excellent credentials but serious self-esteem issues? Yes he did. Did he seek and find another woman more centered and less demanding while he was married? Yes. Was it wrong to do that, to cheat on his wife with her? Of course!

But it was totally predictable to those who knew them both.

You know as I know, when a couple goes through a nasty divorce, their friends often choose sides. I am not speaking ill of the dead to admit I chose Carl.

Nora Ephron inspired me to try to write essays and memoirs without allowing my own neurosis to seep too deeply into the words, without allowing my stories to be overly sour or self-indulgent. Only you can tell me if or when I succeed.

Carl Bernstein inspired me to look at the big picture and for the smallest details, to dig down, do the hardest work possible and reach for the best I could produce. In that I did succeed. So again, no contest. 

I am truly sorry Nora Ephron lost her life, too young, too soon. I only wish she'd had the ability to enjoy much more of it while she was alive. I'm really sorry that a fake orgasm will be likely, inevitably her most lasting legacy. 


 
 

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I call em as I see em. Sincerely sorry she died. Still, to me she was pretty good when she could have been, should have been extraordinary. I don't know why it never happened.
Define "extraordinary."
I think she was extraordinary, and not for the fake O scene, which was just a bit. She put a lot out there, with great wit. She reached a lot of people. I was also a fan of Berstein and Woodward, and read their book more than once. Bad marriages happen, and there are always two sides to every story. I loved "Heartburn" because it was a story of surviving and moving on. I loved that she couldn't stay for the sake of image after the love was gone...
The game will now be called "Six Degrees of Sally Swift."

I'm not a fan of Ephron's scripts or directoral efforts either.
"Still, to me she was pretty good when she could have been, should have been extraordinary. I don't know why it never happened."

She was brilliant, but tame. A tad too conventional, maybe. Perhaps the difference between wit and true talent. She was extraordinarily witty, though.
There is nothing more devastating to a celebrity's veneer than knowing her personally. Nora Ephron was certainly extraordinary when compared to me, at least when it comes to careers. Could there be more to this story that you've chosen not to tell us?

Lezlie
"Still, to me she was pretty good when she could have been, should have been extraordinary. I don't know why it never happened."

She was brilliant, but tame. A tad too conventional, maybe. Perhaps the difference between wit and true talent. She was extraordinarily witty, though.
As a voyeur who appreciates sparkling writing, this is extraordinary.
I like most of what I've seen or read by Nora Ephron, and even love some of her work (including "You've Got Mail", which is one of my go-to comfort movies - though I agree, it is formulaic - but it's nice to have that sometimes in this crazy world!). But I didn't know much about the woman. I love what you wrote here - so balanced and honest. Great reporting. I think your friend Carl would be proud.
Dear Sally, let's agree on disagreeing. I think her wit and especially her writing was extraordinary. I think her impact on many of us, old and young, was extraordinary.

If we are going to put her down, from what I've read/heard, Carl Bernstein, while extraordinary as part of Woodward and Bernstein, was a womanizer before and after Nora. And his rep among the journalists I know (one degree of separation) is that besides Watergate, he was and is lazy.

Why take "sides" on this? Everyone has flaws. She died and is being celebrated for what she gave us, as it should be, as she affected so many for so many years in so many brilliant ways.

Loved her wit, her love of the good things in life, and her ability to make them vicariously fun, her view of realities and flaws, her drive, her enthusiasm for life and for growth.

Like Christopher Hitchens, her death has had a profound effect on so many who never really knew her, but knew she added much to our lives.

And I'm happy that she wound up in a happy marriage.
I'm kind of amazed at all the people you know.
Interesting view, definitely a different take. xo
~r
I didn't know Nora but what I did know is that she felt a lot like I did. She made me cry and she made me laugh. I never knew much about her personal life except for Heartburn. Maybe I didn't want to know about it. Maybe I just wanted her to make me feel like everything was going to be okay.

Well done Sally!
HUGGGGGGGGG
Of course Heartburn is totally biased, self indulgent, &c.

And it was at least 50% her fault.

Just reading her stuff and it is obvious that it wouldda been hell being married to her.

Bernstein also.

Amazing they stayed married long enough for her to get a divorce book/movie deal out of it.
(Of course you succeeded.)

I knew that you knew CB back in the day from a comment you left on one of my posts quite some time ago, and I was wondering, when the news broke about Nora, if you had known them as a couple.

I generally enjoyed her movies and memoirs, although I'll admit there are those elements that you mentioned.

It's good to have a different view of the situation from someone who knew the principals. This should be on the cover.
Interesting view, Sally.
One cannot guess at all the ways another doesn't achieve "extraordinary," especially as that is such a subjective term, and only exists in the eyes of the beholder.
I am reminded of all the ways others felt this way about me and my life choices vs. my 'potential.'
Only we can decide for ourselves if we feel our lives have been extraordinary.

All that said, my fear for Ms. Ephron is that others will have the one lingering thought of her I have been left with: such complaining she did about her aging neck.
Ai yi yi.
Such whining in the name of humor?
Thanks for helping women's attitudes about aging gracefully, Ms. Ephron.
Sally: You've led an extraordinary life. You really know where all the bodies are buried. This was clever, sharp, and honest, and I loved it. Thank you for putting "out there" (Oh God, somebody call the police. It's out there!) for the rest of us. R.
This is an interesting perspective on her life and accomplishments. We all see things through our own lens intimately. Well done.
I love how this is written, with tenderness, yet with your own opinion. I never liked Ephron's writing. I'm not a fan of neurotic female characters. Doesn't mean her writing wasn't good, but that it didn't grab me.
As a story about Carl Bernstein, this was wonderful. As a story about Nora Ephron, it leaves me with one question:

Would Carl approve of what you have to say about Nora?
I still like her. A lot. That may have been her real gift - likeability, despite.
Sally, I have the same disability, of calling them as I see them. And your work here, on her death, is to me, to say the least unnecessary, a bad timing, and seems to luck in objectivity. Criticizing one's work has a big difference, from critizing one's self. And let me tell you that here in Greece, her work is extremely famous and noticed.

Maybe your idea of extraordinary is having these as your last words, on a dead human being's work...

""I'm really sorry that a fake orgasm will be likely, inevitably her most lasting legacy.""

This is all I needed to remove you for my favourites list.
Well I am going to ADD you to my favorites list for an honest in depth look at a woman and her career. You can write and get in to the depths. I like that.
"Interesting" perspective, Sally.
Wow. Was this necessary or constructive in any way? The woman just died of leukemia. She made a lot of people laugh, had some hits in the romantic comedy film genre -- an accomplishment many would love to claim-- and did her best making her way through the difficulties of life just like the rest of us. I hope she was at peace and was surrounded by people who loved her at the end. Rest in peace, Nora.
I really enjoyed the compelling read and closer look you gave me. But having the advantage of not personally knowing Nora Ephron I can remain impressed by her. The fact that she directed and produced movies at a time when so few women did was enough to make her an inspiration to me. The fact that she also wrote scripts and books impresses me further, and I'd like to read what she's written one day. Sounds like she had her demons, and it may well have been her ordinariness that made it possible to create movies that ordinary people could relate to so powerfully. Her movies are what I call feel-good fluff; not life changing. Yet I remember them when I forget so many, and their memory leaves me smiling, or feeling more connected. Something. Maybe I'll figure out what some day. Bernstein sounds like the kind of person I would have really liked. What a privilege you got to know him before his fame. Great story. Thanks for sharing it.
Whoa, I knew I'd inspire response, perhaps incite dissent, but I didn't realize some would feel I was attacking a national treasure. I've often written about the well known when they die.. it's natural, they're in the news, I have a story to tell about them. An honest story, from my own point of view.

I can't answer everyone individually, am truly sorry, but it's hard to type. I appreciate those who agree as well as those who politely agree to disagree, which I accept as honest and logical.

Let's start here: I said and I meant that I was "REALLY SORRY" her legacy might be the orgasm scene.. it's a standout, been mentioned in virtually every news story. She had a large body of solid work. I am one of quite a few who didn't particularly care for her style. What, I should lie? Instead I said equally and sincerely many nice things about her, I expressed sorrow at her death, but come on, death didn't convey sainthood or make her a literary genius.

But I also said she could and should have been much more extraordinary, which clearly struck a nerve. She grew up in a successful literary family, surrounded in her early years by authors and playwrights, was extremely well educated. She had all the potential to be a modern day Dorothy Parker, who drew on her often chaotic inner and outer life to produce biting, painful, insightful, memorable, eminently quotable work. Instead Nora Ephron used --I believe wasted-- her considerable wit and talent on Rom Coms and laconic essays which frankly many exceptionable writers here at OS have far outdone.

***Here's my answer to the biggest question posed: what do I consider "extraordinary." Dorothy Parker is my top example. She was in fact often quite cruel, but she got away with it because she phrased her poems, essays, bon mots and observations with such savoir faire, pinpoint precision, incisive observations and genuine, pitch perfect commentary on the human condition ... every single word chosen for maximum effect, response and meaning. That, to me, is extraordinary writing.***

Nora Ephron wasn't cruel or mean spirited; she was, even in very clever comedic mode, essentially sad. Which sadly effected her potential to soar.

Dorothy Parker held back just enough while making fun of others' and her own flaws and neuroses. Nora Ephron seemed to cloak herself in and celebrate hers. I much prefer the former. But that's just me.

Chocolate and vanilla. In the end, that's the bottom line.
I think it's probably better never to meet the people we admire. All kinds of letdowns lurk. This was an interesting look from another vantage point. And a good one. Still, the fact that you think she didn't reach her potential says she sure must have had a lot.
Love hearing the other side; the insipid news reporting has caused me to turn the channel because Nora dying is not NEWS! She's a normal person like the rest of us, who will not be eulogized nationally. Jeez. rated.
I agree with you completely about the insipidness of her work. Something way too precious and cutesy about her body of work.
Very gutsy of you to write this considering that somehow she has been lionized. This was a fascinating insiders peek into a world very few see up close . Have no idea why this is not an editors pick considering that our new editor expressed similar sentiments. Probably just oversight caused by spam fighting energies causing him to miss this. Great piece, Sally S!
She's famous. Or was famous. I'm envious. A little.

You liked her ex husband better. Fair enough. Me too. Although speaking of wasted potential, what's he done for us lately?

She had major family connections? So did 1/2 the kids in rehab in Hollywood. Unfortunately it isn't fair. It's also the way the world works. Sophia Copolla? Nuff said.

How about 'Girls'? Zosia Marmet? Allison Williams (Brian Williams). &c.

Wanna be in movies? Get born into the business.

As a guy, it is easy enough to see how she would have been hell as a wife. And the self indulgent luxury of being able to do your own divorce book/movie. And get Mike Nichols to do it and Have Meryl Streep play your part.

As far as I'm concerned, she could have been pretty average, talent wise and a massive over achiever. In fact, in her world, talent is less important than the qualities of an achiever -- drive, ambition, hard work, &c.

It is totally unknowable if she really could have been Dorthy Parker. Or Jane Austin or whomever.

And also doubtful. I would prefer it if someone simply called her an annoying bitch and left it at that.
I love her stuff, but your points are well taken. Always refreshing to have another perspective.
I am just trying to throw gasoline on your comment section -- it was starting to get interesting.

Plus, I am jealous that not enough people read my Ephron thing.
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What a life, what a life!

I remember the Smother Brothers. Didn't know Heartburn was based on their marriage.