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APRIL 9, 2009 10:33PM

Stress Testing 1-2-3

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The New York Times has one of their A-1 specialty anonymously-sourced pieces saying that the Treasury Department's Stress Tests are nearing an end (Treasury with an assist from the Fed, I mean).  It's a good-news, bad-news story, but with a twist.  The good news is all the banks are going to pass.  The bad news is the good news:

Regulators say all 19 banks undergoing the exams will pass them. Indeed, they say this is a test that a bank simply will not fail: if the examiners determine that a bank needs “exceptional assistance,” the government, that is, taxpayers, will provide it.

But the tests, which are expected to be completed by the end of this month, are being conducted out of public view. Federal law prohibits the unauthorized disclosure of the results of any bank examination, including the stress tests. Some investors wonder if the new tests are rigorous enough, given the potential problems lurking inside the banking industry.

I can't put my confusion any better than Kevin Drum at Mother Jones did:

So what have we learned here?  First: all 19 banks will pass.  Second: not all the banks can be winners.  Third: the ones that pass — but aren't winners! — will be propped up by taxpayers.  Fourth: no, they won't be propped up by taxpayers, they'll be forced to sell assets and raise private capital.

Huh?  Which is it?  If by "pass," regulators merely mean that a bank won't be instantly seized and its management defenestrated, then I guess this makes sense.  Awards for all!  On the other hand, the prospect of a bank getting a "needs improvement" grade and then successfully selling a big stock issue to raise private capital is just fanciful.  Even banks that pass with flying colors will have trouble doing that.

I've said a few times recently that my trust in Treasury rests squarely on what happens with these tests.  If major banks are being found insolvent (likely), then major fixes need to happen -- and they need to happen in the public eye, instead of behind closed doors.  Management needs to change; policies need to change; and something like the Chrysler/GM reorganize-before-you-get-our-money plan needs to go into effect.

On "Face the Nation" this weekend, Geithner said that when banks require "exceptional assistance," "we'll make sure that assistance comes with conditions, not just to protect the tax payer but to make sure this is the kind of restructuring necessary for them to emerge stronger. And where that requires a change of management of the board, we’ll do that."

Now, I had trouble listening, too, because of the crazy Frankenstein-esque white streak that's cropping up in Geithner's hair (over the right ear), but when I combine the stress test information, Drum's analysis, and what Geithner said to Bob Scheiffer while facing ye ol' nation, what I come up with is this: several big banks are going to need big money.  They're going to be told by Treasury to increase their capital levels.  That's going to leak, weakening their positions, and when the banks try to sell their assets, they'll be stymied by a dried up market.  Then Treasury and/or the Fed and/or the FDIC (which apparently has super-powers) will have to sink more money into the banks (or will have to sink money into supporting purchase of their assests) to make sure they have enough capital to survive the worst-case scenario of the stress tests, which, by some accounts, we passed on the way down a while back.

By the end of the month, heads will figuratively roll at several of the largest banks in the nation, and possibly on their boards.  I suspect this will start with BoA chief Ken Lewis, though whether that's got anything to do with the stress tests or not, well, I'm neither psychic nor Meredith Whitney, so I can't say.  (Actually, I suspect Lewis will step down before the test results are conclusively leaked, which might lead to a delicate problem for Treasury, the same problem it will face at AIG and Citi: the guys in charge will arguably not be the guys who got the company to where it is, but the symbolism of seeing them go -- of seeing anyone in a suit trying to hail a TownCar with his belongings in a box -- might be too needed for them to stay).  To some this will feel like de-facto nationalization.  Bring on the commie bear cupcakes!

The weirdest part of all of this is that, if all of that terrible stuff happens, it's exactly what the stress tests were designed to do.

Here is the problem I see, though, and I'm wondering if anyone has an answer: As the ever-reasonable Justin Fox at Time points out, the U.S. can't allow another major bank to fail -- we signed a pledge to that effect in October.  Forcing a bank to reorganize, to fire management, to restructure itself, to begin any kind of break-up, depends on their being disincentive for it not to do so.  If these banks know we're going to bail them out regardless -- why would they agree to compensation limits?  Why would they agree to change management at all?

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So the banks are going to pass the "stress tests" and will still need more money. Um, I wonder if we could pass a stress test at this point.

You do yeoman's work here. Much appreciated.
I need a stress test to see if my pitiful stimulus payment will bail me out. I will flunk. Then they will need to bail me out. The suckers.

You are officially not Jupiter Jones. Who is Jupiter Jones?
The thought of stress tests and bank failures stresses me out.
I'm just pretty happy that everyone's managed a good different use of "stress tests" in a personal manner on the comments so far. Thanks!

Jupiter Jones is a gas giant, zuma.
Mmmm yeah- it's like API testing. We need standard testing to see whether the students are performing or not..... but we'll still let them graduate even if they fail! Social promotion comes to the banks!
Obviously, Geithner's undergoing some stress-testing of his own -- thus the streaking in his hair. Stress-testing banks sounds good, but as any cardiologist will tell you, a stress test done on an unhealthy patient can kill the patient. These banking stress tests will be "sub-maximal" in the same way as they are in medicine.

If they tested the banks based on "mark to market" accounting, many of the 19 would fail because -- to continue the metaphor -- their heart is too badly damaged by toxic assets (loans and securitization) made at the height of the RE bubble on properties that are now worth have their loan amount, with no chance of recovery for the foreseeable future (5-10 years) .

Therefore, it will make little difference if heads roll, though it would be nice to see the door hit a few pompous asses like that of Pandit the Bandit -- he of the $10 million office remodeling. That attitude is why this will not end well; too many on Wall Street think they're worth the obscene amounts of money they're paid, and they have yet to learn that root cause of the problem is the very greed that motivates them.
Tom, my understanding is that the original tests were designed around the old FASB rules, and that they're just now including the new mark-to-market standards, which is improving the outlook for a lot of these places.
They should specify the statistical distributions they are using, otherwise it is an unhelpful exercise, which is on its face suspicious.
VAR is not valid in that sense.
Your last two questions finally reach the crux of the matter, in fact I'd go further and ask why change anything at all? But that was the plan all along: be too big to fail. Politicians will talk the talk to assuage the little people and meanwhile the shell game will continue behind the scenes. The outcome is already known but it's fascinating watching you journey into it. Keep asking questions and you will finally discover what the true plan is.
There are certainly ways we could create motivation for them to agree to compensation limits. Besides simply ruling such things illegal (which I would probably support, at least under some wordings), we could say certain protections were not available to companies that didn't conform to certain guidelines. There are ways.
Per your question, "That's going to leak, weakening their positions, and when the banks try to sell their assets, they'll be stymied by a dried up market. Then Treasury and/or the Fed and/or the FDIC (which apparently has super-powers) will have to sink more money into the banks (or will have to sink money into supporting purchase of their assests) to make sure they have enough capital to survive the worst-case scenario of the stress tests, which, by some accounts, we passed on the way down a while back."

Isn't this where the PPIP gets a narrowing of spreads between bids and asks? With pressure on the banks to sell to recapitalize based on the stress tests, the banks would be forced to reduce their asks to more closely approximate the bids being put forth by potential hedge funds that are closer to the marked value of the assets.
It is good thing that some citizens know enough to be able to follow the line of crooked thinking. Most however rely on the experts just being competent enough to do what their job description is. Just like when someone comes to me to solve a problem with massspectrometry or molecular biology , either I solve it or I find out how to solve it, every expert should be held to that kind of expectation. It is mind boggling why I should be thinking about " economists' problems as well as my own overwhelming ones .
But I am glad there are folks like you who is looking, understanding and breaking it down for us. Does not raise confidence levels in any way though.

I still say there cannot be but 2-50 economists who are worth anything in a country that churns out hundreds of them from hundreds of university. If one bunch cannot do the job get another. Or else declare it a bogus specialty that cannot know anything for sure and tries out all by trial and error method and teach that. Which if you think of it, may be exactly what they are doing and thus no one knows what the equations and results churned out by the computers really mean. Frightening!
Here are some simple proposals that would help bring some order to the economic jungle, but they will never see the light of day:

(1) Just as the FDA must approve new drugs, so some agency, the SEC perhaps, should have to approve new financial instruments before they enter the marketplace. Derivative instruments have probably ruined more lives than any bad drug.

(2) Since we seem bound and determined to let jungle-ethicists have their way with us in the financial marketplace, and since money is their only measure of success (and apparently the size of their penises), let them have their huge salaries, but tax them hugely as well.

(3) Most importantly, to restore some semblance of an investment strategy -- rather than a speculation strategy -- we need to reinstitute some form of capital gains taxes. I favor a sliding scale approach, say from 80%-30% over five years.

The filthy rich would not take kindly to any of these proposals for fiscal sanity, and they would increase their use of tax havens. But since these havens present a clear and present danger to our very economic life, we can resort to the Bush Doctrine and invade the Bahamas, et al, and seize the assets hidden in off-shore tax-dodges -- and look out, Switzerland, your banks are next.

Seriously, though, the recent G-20 summit focused considerable attention on eliminating off-shore tax havens. We shall see what schemes the Masters of the Universe perpetrate if and when their loopholes begin to be closed.
Head exploding. Politicians have never been able to "fix" anything. They just make things worse. Put in common sense regulations, and enforce them. Don't put politicians, who don't even balance their own checkbooks - seriously- in charge of our banking system. Rated.
banks and the Special Olympics, kinda the same thing?
Saturn, whatsdamatterwidyouse? Youse still pushing dis finance gig? All youse is doin' is tying da firecrackers on da tails of some of 'em old coots on OS and gettin' 'em all crazy runnin' round in coicles. But since youse seems like a noice lady (hoy, dey is all ladies in Joisey, just like we's all gentiluomi), let your Cousin Vinnie take youse to da CPA school.

(1) Da 19 banks dat are being tested have all been audited. Every fockin one of dem got what's we calls da "clean opinion". So what's a "stress test" gonna do? Prove dat my fratellanza di contatori di fagiolo universali (dat's Universal Brudderhood of Bean-counters to you non-cognoscenti) are a buncha puttane?

(2) Me I says gimmeafockinbreak. As dat pisello Ted Turner said about our sainted Il Papa ::In nomine patris...:: "Youse make a da rules, youse play a da game." Barring criminal wrong-doing (and Vinnie knows from criminals) like da bastardi at Enron and Arthur Andersen RIPda banks are solvent according to FASB, SEC and all udder current rules and regs .

(3) So den what is da problem? As I toldya before, it's da bank holding companies for which dere are no corresponding rules and regs like reserve requirements, say, tanks to da Gramm-Leach-Bliley (or if youse wanna be hoity toity: da Financial Services Modernization Act of 1999) Act -- which, by da way, Barney Frank voted against.

(4) Modernization, mi culo. Da Act specifically exempts most derivatives such as da swaps from regulation. And as we say in da biziness: you don't a have da reg, you don't a have da control.

(5) So's what are da "stress testers" doin'? Runnin' fockin' computer models, dat's what. Under "different macroeconomic assumptions". Well, as we da beancounters know, you canna da break any system:
one set of assumptions dey comes up smellin' like i rosi, nudder set dey comes up i merde.

(6) Youse gotta da remember dis is not an audit. Dey have, what, 200 "examiners" for da 19 banks -- dat's not enough for even a good coicle joik (pardonnez moi ma francaise). Lemmetellya, KPMG has over 1000 of da green eyeshade fratelli on just dere Citi audit -- so what's da 200 gonna find?

(7) So's unless youse repeals Scam-Bleach, youse got niente, nada, zilch. Who gets dis: Krugman, Frank and yes Geithner dey all are a talking about it. If dat happens, den da Brudderhood can keep da banks safe for da democracy.

I could tellya more, but dis is a pro bonum gig for me, see. Now, if youse was to come down to Joisey and ask for me at da Bada Bing, we could a go down to da Joisey shore... nah, fuhgeddaboutit, dat Venus Demillo (yeah, she's gotta da hands and da fingernails, I tell ya).... she'd a kill me. Youse take care now, ya hear. Ciao, baby.

Condottiere, Ferrari & Testarossa LLP
Joisey City, New Joisey
April 10, 2009
Apparently, Moral Hazard no longer applies. Not that it ever did. Read Krugman today for more on Mr. Summers.
North Korean bank stress test logic. Love it.
great post. reading the comments, traveller1 inspired me to post this link:
http://www.paecon.net/
http://www.paecon.net/PAEtexts/a-e-petition.htm

a few years back, economics students at the sorbonne pretty much revolted and said, quit teaching us this garbage. it's worth a read to see what happened.
Vinnie, la cosa che era il punto qui era non la differenza fra "auditing" e "stress tests." I rivisori dei conti (even a KPMG) possono mostrare che la banca e "solvent," ma -- chi si preoccupa? Mi piace le computer models. Li rispetto. Desidero they would've done this piu presto, to figure out what the failure of a place like Lehman or what 10% unemployment would do to a place like Citi. KPMG or whoever's rating that says the bank is OK right now is fine for this minute, but these are designed to look at a broader spectrum of time, and with a specific question in mind. Importa per che cosa cercate. My Italian is pretty rusty -- sorry if it's difficult to parse.
There's a nasty square headed sine wave coming that looks like this "M". The "V" in the middle of the "M" is made to look like a recovery in bank stocks (the current first quarter blow outs). The drop will be a vertical drop that will occur when a gap in fundamental earnings power is sucked out from the dislocation of TARP funds (banks using 0% money to gain .20% from overnight lending and the spate of refinancings taking place).

Reading bank financial statements is FUN-damental. I've written extensively on, among other things, the subject of Mark to Market accounting, inobservable inputs and failed regulation. Transparency is the key to less regulation. No transparency equals total regulation. If they want to get this thing right again, they need to re-enact Glass-Steagall immediately and tighten the BASEL II accord requirements on core capital as well as speed up the timeline on ICEs initiative to open an electronic derivatives trading system. The FDIC and Fed should also be charging the system with fiscal snoops like myself and those who can identify non-compliance with core capital stress tests and mark to market requirements. The sad and practical reality is that too much government is moving into non essential pipe dream social programs that will do little to nothing to restore investor confidence (a big part in the tight credit formula), and the relaxation of M2M rules is indicative of the government's unwillingness to reallocate resources accordingly.

Rant all you want. It's like screaming at the rain. If heads were going to roll, they would have already been tumbling down the White House lawn after the summit two weeks ago that saw Skamram Bandit do a 100 yd. dash away from two reporters chasing him with mini-recorders.

The real lopped off heads should be the uninformed, irresponsible, and incompetent politicians from both sides of the aisle, who watched this drunken spending caldron of witches brew (IRAQ, now TARP-TALF-PPIP) get mixed and poured out with reckless abandon on our national economy.
bstrangely you made my day! I havent yet had the time to look into it but why am I not surprised? It would be better to have monkeys throwing darts but that would be insulting them! But then one could at least say okay it was a monkey that said the stocks would be higher or lower! We would all take our loss with a pint and go on. Throwing darts would not have any ulterior motive other than the banana they would get at the end of the day. The same bananas Saturn, that I would not buy from these economic chumps at the head of the country whether frozen or soaked in chocolate or not!
traveller1, I was a graduate student in economics in the early 70's, when it became fashionable to import flunked out physics and math grad students into Ph.D. programs, and turn them into "mathematical economists". It's been downhill since then, although it was Samuelson in the early 50's who started it all. And I met Solow while an undergraduate. Nice guy. Did a lot of damage.

The fundamental problem is the math-micros remain convinced that macro- is just a herd of micro-. It isn't of course. Or as my Pappy used to say:

"What would the world be like if everybody behaved as badly as you?"
Saturn Smith, I love you. When I feel the most down (posts to follow when I can muster the energy) you have the ability to get me all hyped up again. Thanks for the continuing feed into how the world is plummeting in it's handbasket. It gives me the strength to care again. Thumbed, if I wasn't such a troll that I haven't figured that one out yet...
Carry on (with blessings)...
Robert,

I wish I knew who the people were who you named but I dont. I could look them up but your line about damage stops me. I actually went to the links bstrangely posted up ahead of my last. I laughed the laugh of the damned reading one , cos otherwise I might have been despondent and what good is that?.

You have one blogger telling us that the AIG " contracts" need to be honored while another headline tells me one of my sisters has been forced into becoming a "call girl".

My heart goes out to the "call girl" because how can a society be healthy if a portion of their girls or boys are being forced to become call girls just to meet bills? Its not a moral issue or a good and bad issue. Would I want my sister to be in that position or my mother or my daughter or my son?

Are the banks listening?
Reading the postings alone raised my IQ ten points. Saturn, keep up the good work. You are becoming indispensible.

bstrangely, robert young, Vinnie da Auditor, Dean Petkanas, & Tom Cordle:

Your postings are so incredible, they should be commented and rated seperately, and put on the front page to boot.! Yous guys is brilliante!
There are so many great, thoughtful replies here -- thank you, everyone. Kent, I agree there's got to be a legislative way to stop this -- but I haven't yet figured out what that option is. I'd love to hear ideas.

Dean, yeah, the real targets for blame should be legislators, and regulators, going back many years -- but I have little confidence we'll ever get there.

Tom, I'm certainly, and enthusiastically, in favor of increasing Capital Gains -- and am really looking forward to seeing the results of the tax-haven crack down. The NYT had a great piece about the panic of people keeping big tax-sheltered accounts at UBS this week.

Really, thanks, everyone. Sorry my comments aren't as targeted as all of yours -- I'm running low on caffeine and time at the moment.