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APRIL 22, 2009 2:55AM

A Terrible Day for Tim Geithner (Small Wonder)

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Felix Salmon had a nice post today suggesting that major U.S. banks holding Chrysler's debt are willing to let the company go into bankruptcy instead of taking a haircut on their debt in part because there's no real way the public could think less of them.  Being the automatic villain gives one a certain freedom to be horrible, and J.P. Morgan Chase and friends certainly find themselves there.

What this made me wonder is, at what point will Tim Geithner hit the so-hated-he-can-do-whatever stage?

Budget Meeting I mean, this has been a totally sucky week to be Geithner.  Consider he went into the weekend with Paul Krugman's "it's gonna get so much worse" column and Rachel Maddow having invited the "Hey Paul Krugman" singer onto her show (for the 5 people who hadn't already heard him sing, "Timothy Geithner, he's like some little weasel," via the Internet).  Yesterday, he had the hey-guys, cut-your-budgets Cabinet meeting (check out the body language here, too -- that's Geithner slumped next to Biden).  At this point, I'm not sure the man could buy friends (though I have no doubt at least one commenter will say he's tried).  Just take the last 24 hours:

  • The Special Inspector General issued his report, which initially made news for saying that, contrary to the Secretary's earlier assertions, firms who wanted to participate on either side of the Public-Private Investment Partnerships would be subject to compensation limits.
  • Then it made news because, at The Economist, that sounds like the end of the PPIP.
  • Then it made news because there are already 20 fraud cases being investigated.
  • Then Felix Salmon pointed out that, within the report, there's open speculation that it could encourage out-right criminal organization money-laundering schemes.
  • The IMF also released its Global Financial Stability Report today, and said that bank losses are over $4 trillion, with more than half of that originating in the U.S.  Oh, and we're going to need substantial additional investment to recapitalize banks, and may need to nationalize some at least temporarily.  And soon.
  • All of this before the real fun started: Geithner testified before Elizabeth Warren's Congressional Oversight Panel.  You may remember her as the woman who made Jon Stewart feel better last week, or the one who released the highly critical -- and commendable, at that -- report on the Treasury's plans so far.  Wanna guess how that meeting went down?  Let Andrew Leonard summarize:

The pattern is now sufficiently well established to be definitive. The treasury secretary appears before a congressional committee, and is asked tough, detailed questions by members of both parties. He invariably compliments and thanks the questioner for a "thoughtful" and "important" question, and then proceeds to answer in vague generalities, rarely committing himself to specifics.

I've watched or pored over the transcripts of almost all of Geithner's testimony before Congress, and it's getting harder and harder to make a case in defense of his brief tenure. Tuesday's hearing, before the Congressional Oversight Panel empowered by Congress to watch over the TARP program, ranks as one of his least satisfying performances so far. 

(I would say it was sort of like watching the robot from Small Wonder face off with Minerva McGonagall from Harry Potter -- you start off rooting for both sides, but by the end, you just want McGonagall to put the robot out of her repetitve, wide-eyed misery).

  • The stock market did rally a bit over Geithner's assertion that "the vast majority of banks have more capital than they need to be considered well capitalized by their regulators."  That sounds like great news, until you realize he never said that (he skipped those pages, somewhat dramatically, in his testimony).
  • Also, even if he had said that, it was meaningless and earned, again, bafflement and concern (and use of the word "ominous" in the first paragraph) from Paul Krugman.
  • Finally, The Wall Street Journal ran an interview with Geithner ("Geithner Weighs Bank Repayments") where he said he's considering whether to let banks repay their TARP debt early or not.
  • Finance blogger Nemo and a reader point out that, no, he can't do that -- he has to let banks pay the money back whenever they want to.  Strike... what? 56 or so? for Geithner.
It's those last two points that bring us to the importance of the villain question.  The two banks currently talking about repayment are Goldman Sachs and J.P. Morgan Chase.  Paying back TARP funds would free these two from compensation limits -- present and looming -- and also make them look strong and solvent.  JPMC CEO Jamie Dimon has called TARP assistance a "scarlet letter," and he's looking to shed it as quickly as possible.  This would possibly inspire further investment in these banks and certainly encourage concentration of power into their hands.

Which is partly why the Treasury Department isn't keen on just letting them repay so quickly.  Banks shedding TARP funds could make other banks want to jump ship -- banks whose life-vests aren't properly inflated.  So you could see Bank of America trying to pay back TARP, and either failing after payback, or failing to payback at all -- and either way looking so weak as to inspire (who thought it was possible) less confidence than even now.  Which would, of course, benefit those who do survive the leap -- probably a big part of the JPMC/Goldman dream right now.

In fact, the only reason that a firm wouldn't leave TARP right now is a desire NOT to piss off the U.S. Treasury Department.  It's in their individual interests to run, even while it might be in the interest of the entire system for them to stay a while.  So let me ask you this: Is Tim Geithner someone you'd want mad at you?  Does a real villain lurk somewhere within the Small Wonder facade, just waiting for the day when it no longer matters what Wall Street thinks -- and if so, was today that day?  Does he have enough power, inside or out of the Treasury, to make things more uncomfortable for these banks than they already are?

My guess?  If there's pressure to be brought to bear, it will have to be done by the President -- and if that's the case, Geithner's days at the grown-up table are going to be limited. joomla site stats

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You seem to be under the impression the government is giving orders to the banking industry as opposed to the other way around.
I agree with Jim Galt. The sleight of hand and outright deceit of both the banks and the government (Geitner serves at the pleasure of the President) is astounding, and what amazes me more than anything is that we the people expect anything of them at all, because it is patently obvious that they represent only themselves; and not us.
Good post Saturn. Krugman's article was pretty good as well. Galt and dynomite are correct that the money controls the government.

I can tell you (based on my real estate appraisal background) that the housing market will not bein a recovery for at least the next two or thee years. I'm also wondering why investors are snapping up foreclosed properties that they expect to rent out in areas that have a net loss of jobs and population...........are they going to bus in renters from neighboring states? From chatting with some commercial appraisers, it appears that we will see commercial property vacancies at 30%+ by the end of the year too.
The banks are not really concerned with CEO compensation nor repayment of TARP funds. Lobbyists are on the receiving end, follow the money! Which of the three nutshells is the coin under?
If the shoe fits....

If you want to be a little more depressed about the Geithner situation, take a gander at my post yesterday, "State of Prey," for yet another reason to be reaching for the hook.

Your reference to Obama in the last paragraph is interesting. Ultimately, when the administration finds a less conspicuous moment to announce that Geithner is resigning "to spend more time with his family," the pundits, unfortunately, are going to be all over Obama, blaming him for making such a poor choice in the first place. If only Geithner had never paid those back taxes....

Then, of course, the question will be: Who out there is a better choice to sit on the hot seat? I can already envision a guy with the initials L.S. leaning over the table, waving his hand like Arnold Horshack from "Welcome Back, Kotter," beseeching, "Ooooh, ooooh, Mr. Obama, pick me! Pick me!"

Rated.
Oh, I have to add that your allusion to "Small Wonder" was perfect. That show had to be one of the worst in a long line of truly awful sit-coms. How fitting, then, to mention it in the context of The Weasel. Of course, even Tiny Tim doesn't compare to that prick Paulson.
From wtop.com : "David Kellermann, acting chief financial officer of Freddie Mac, committed suicide in his Hunter Mill Estates home Wednesday morning."

I'm sure this is unrelated to any of the 250 or so top financial dogs the FBI is investigating.
The american public are witnessing the largest, slowest-motion, most-publicized, as-it-happens bank robbery in history.
>You seem to be under the impression the government is giving orders to the banking industry as opposed to the other way around.

This is EXACTLY what I had in mind reading Ms. Smith's article.
Stellar as always. I get my news from you! (among others, I confess)
I'll be very happy when Geithner leaves. But I'm not convinced his replacement will be any better. I do believe we are all truly f*****. Back to the original issue. The Government - Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac - and the other big boys, Citibank, etc. got their billions in profits and then our gov't socialized the losses and made those of us minding our own business pay, and we will keep on paying. This has been done many times before in other countries. They are looting our treasury and keeping us busy looking at the minutia. Rated.
If you think these big-time banker's are going to let their income be decided by the government, I'll sell you a bridge in Brooklyn. This TART money will be payed back if they have to rob each other to pay it. These guys are used to the luxuries of big-time living and will not give it up. Would you?
I expect that it bears repeating, and that such repeating gets irritating, but this post is another instance where the problem has to be identified. The banks aren't lending because there aren't many folks left who qualify, because there aren't many folks left who have any money.

This crash has the same origin as all others. The bubble part is a side effect, not the root cause. The root cause is the skewed wealth distribution. Not until the Obamanauts deal with "spreading the wealth" head on will there be improvement. They have shown themselves to be just as toadied to Wall Street as the Bushies. Or they are just really stupid, which seems inconsistent with their behavior, certainly Obama, otherwise.

If has gotten to the point that Americans need credit to buy necessities, and buying necessities is the best engine for trickle up economics there is, then the apochalypse has arrived. God won't be helping anyone anytime soon.
He doesn't seem to speak well in public. Maybe too much time in front of computers, instead of people.
Scanner, I've recently been looking for a bridge in Brooklyn, so this might work out very nicely.
I assume you've never heard the definition of a Chicago coincidence. That's when a stiff is wrapped in barbed wire, shot in the back with a shotgun, and has his feet encased in concrete at the bottom of the river, and it's ruled a suicide.

Glad to hear you're finally onto the Chicago coincidences surrounding Timmy. rated.
The thing I always get a chuckle at is there are bankers in Shanghai and New Deli that will do a much better job, much cheaper...why hasn't this all been outsourced?