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Everything posted here, and more random thoughts, are also posted at my web site: http://kepkanation.com.

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APRIL 28, 2009 6:25PM

Nightmare Scenario: Chairman Specter (D-Penn.)

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I'm late to the news of the day: Arlen Specter says he's a Democrat now, and is going to run as a Democrat in 2010.  Woohoo!  Right?  Well, maybe.  Specter claims he's making his switch based on principle -- that the Republican party moved to the right, and also, by extension, so did the Democrats.  He says he's not going to change his positions, so he won't be a reliable 60th vote on many issues.  Matt Yglesias summarizes some Wonk Room posts on Specter's positions:

On labor rights, as you know, he’s flip-flopped and now stands firm against employee free choice. On climate, Specter has tended to join forces with moderate Democrats in undermining effective action to tackle the climate crisis.

On health care, Specter’s record looks quite a bit better on a number of specific issues. Still, there’s a bloc of senators out there who sound generally supportive of health care reform, but seem opposed to every possible way of paying for comprehensive reform. To me, Specter’s “no” vote on the 2010 budget gives me some worries on that score as well.

Long story short, while Specter’s clearly not the most conservative guy in the senate, he’s not much of a progressive either. The extent to which the right is glad to be rid of the guy is a sign of how far-right mainstream conservatism has gone.

The question today really isn't whether Specter is conservative or progressive.  The question should be, "Is Arlen Specter a Democrat?"  The answer is no.
It's impossible to come up with a universally accepted, exhaustive definition of what it means to be a member of either party, though if we worked together, we could come up with a general list of issues that tend to be advanced by Democrats.  Currently, that would include national health care, support for labor, stimulative spending during recessions, action on climate change, and a general lean toward being pro-choice.  Take any one of these issues and interview Arlen Specter, and you might find his position to be closer to the traditional, mean Democrat position than the mean Republican stance right now.  I'm not saying look at his votes -- I'm saying, look at how Arlen Specter defines himself, and you will probably find a guy that's a little closer to the D than the R at this moment. 

Is self-identification enough to make you part of the party?  If I say I'm a Democrat while I vote against EFCA and work pretty hard to block the president's budget, in my mind I'm still a Democrat, but my actions... my actions are not.

Arlen Specter is, at this point in his career, an Indepedent.  He doesn't belong in the current Republican party -- Pennsylvania's Republican voters could tell you that.  But he doesn't belong in the Democratic Caucus, either.  If Arlen Specter gets a leadership position -- a committee chairmanship, say, or a sub-committee -- will he, as chairman, represent the interests of the Democratic party en total?  Or will he represent his own, Independent interests?

This isn't idle speculation: The agreement Senate Majority Leader Reid and Specter have worked out would give Specter rank equivalent to having been a Democrat all along.  To give you an idea of how crazy that is, it means that Arlen Specter now outranks John Kerry in the Democratic Caucus.  There are seven Democratic Senators (Byrd, Kennedy, Inouye, Leahy, Baucus, Levin, and Dodd)1 that have more seniority than Arlen Specter.  One of them has already stepped down from the leadership (Byrd); two others seem unlikely to still be holding leadership positions after 2010 (Kennedy, Dodd).  Specter currently sits on the Judiciary Committee, where he'll still be second to Patrick Leahy, and Appropriations, where Daniel Inouye has him beat.  But one guesses he might fight for leadership of a sub-committee -- Tom Harkin's Labor, Health, and Education Subcommittee might be a tasty plum, and Specter has him beat, as Mike Lillis at the Washington Indepedent noted today.

Who doesn't want Democrat Arlen Specter making decisions about which labor bills get to the floor?

I'm happy to welcome a new Democrat to the fold.  But if he's joining the party, he'd better be a part of the party -- the national party.  Otherwise, this deal Reid worked out to maintain Specter's leadership position is going to come back and haunt us all.

1 Doesn't everyone have a Senate seniority Excel spreadsheet handy? web counter

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ughh, my stomach hurts.
The more I think about the seniority deal, the angrier I get. If anything happens to Daniel Inouye (he's 84!), and Leahy stays as chair of Judiciary, then Specter moves into the leadership of APPROPRIATIONS. NIGHTMARE. NIGHTMARE.
He was a Dem back in the 1960s. So this is sort of a return to the fold. He did get a hell of a deal and I hope they locked his votes in for that deal. Time will tell. monkey fingered.
I hope they got some locked-in votes, too, but it sure doesn't sound like it. Though I guess they wouldn't say at this point, anyway.

I just hope this isn't the Dems trading a PR victory (even Republicans want to be Democrats right now!) for a big loss down the road. We are not, as a party, known for taking the long view, sadly.
yikes. That would suck. Now, I'm depressed. Sigh.

(On a whole different issue, you're right! The Unusuals rocks.)
Maybe Sirota's right and he'll get a challenge in the Democratic Primary and lose. Doubt it, though.

Isn't it a fun show? And kind of smart, too. Me gusta.
I think it's great. A lot of his moderate Republican constituents switched to Democrat, so it makes since that he would switch. Plus it's a victory for the Dems. I have to think that he will somewhat play ball with the Dems. The whole seniority thing is quite bizarre.

It's always something.
"I'm happy to welcome a new Democrat to the fold. But if he's joining the party, he'd better be a part of the party -- the national party. "

Fat effing chance. By adding Specter to their ranks in such a high position of seniority, the Democrats just took a big step to the right. It won't be worth it.
Specter is so unethical, political and backstabbing - yuck, yuck and more yuck. His political missteps and maneuvers go back years. (Anyone remember Paul Simon singing he's been "Arlen Specter'd"?) He got Ira Earhorn (sp?) out on bail years ago, proclaiming his innocence and that murderer took off for Europe and it took years to hunt him down. Specter, get a real job. Oh that's right, you're not qualified.
Reid continues to baffle me. Who put this guy in charge?
With Franken, they'll have their important 60th vote. That means a lot. Specter did this for political reasons of course. We'll see how it all pans out.
We should have term limits of something like 18 years, then they have to take one term off. Otherwise you ge these dinosuar professional politicians that never lose because of name recognition. They should all have to take a powder. It would mean new people getting a chance instead of senile drunks and backwards artifacts.
Thanks Saturn - I'd heard the headline and had deeply ambivalent feelings about it, so I looked for you and you helped clarify my thoughts as always. You really should be paid to do this!
The answer is NO, he's not a Democrat this is all political posturing for re-election. He'll simply say he's a "very conservative Democrat" and keep on doing as he has done. I hope the voters don't fall for it, but I fear they will.
Saturn, I have a lot of favorites on O_S, but if I could have only one, it would have to be you, and here's why:

I've read a lot of blog posts today and this evening about Specter's change in registration, and some of them mentioned in passing the deal with seniority, but none of them discussed it as substantively as you did here.

OMG!!!

Now, I am much more alarmed... after all, I live in PA. No way do I want a Toomey, but neither do I want an newly-minted DINO-Specter as chairman on important committees.

That kind of trust must be earned, not purchased.

Last year during the election cycle, one of my co-workers changed parties so he could vote for Obama in the primary. He was upset, though, because I did not consider him a real Democrat. So, I asked him what he would do if Hillary ended up being the candidate in November, rather than Obama.

He got what I meant, but we had a few days of difficulty in getting through it. Eventually, he did say that he would vote for Hillary if it came to that. If he hadn't, I would not have considered him a real Democrat... not for a single primary vote for a charismatic candidate. That's not enough.
I rather like Specter actually (I grew up in Philly). He's always been really pro-labor and I reckon he wouldn't have been against EFCA if he hadn't had to worry about Toomey (who is HEINOUS). I don't see how he's any less of a dem than any number of blue-dogs in the Senate (let alone in the House).
Bursa... Specter said in his announcement that he would still be against EFCA. So, it can't just be the pressure from his "own" party.
Labels don't mean anything any more. Actions speak louder than words.
Saturn, being devil's advocate here, I would propose that a ruling Democratic Party would automatically mean a wide diversity of ideological opinion as well as a host of different interest groups being represented.

If you recall the great FDR coalition, you'd find a whole host of southern senators who make Arlen Spector look like a flaming old new lefty. Same thing with the LBJ coalition.

To be an apologist for Sen. Spector, I would say that a good percentage of his past votes have been "party line." That's when the whip and majority/minority leader say, "Youse can vote wid de udder side, but then youse sleep wid the fishes, unnerstand?" So, one would hope that with this or that party vote, one could predict that Sen. Spector's ADA rating will begin to improve.

Meanwhile we can bask in the ideological purity of the GOP. Rush Limbaugh for President! Joe the Plumber for Vice President!
It's a good analysis and I concur with your basic themes and concerns for the most part, though I'm not a Democrat so the sense of urgency in me to have him be someone toeing the party line is not there. What I worry about more is just a trojan horse / wolf in sheep's clothing kind of thing (pick your metaphor) where he toes the party line for the other side. I know he's not prone to do it across-the-board, and maybe he thinks that makes him independent. But I'm not so sure. On individual votes, I think it really doesn't matter with you what party he's affiliated with. But as a balance-of-power thing, if he takes hold of a committee that the Dems are entitled to control and runs it in an anti-Dem way, that seems ethically inappropriate to me. We'll see. But you're right to focus on it.

Also, I know you've read my post from last year The “Two Unprincipled Parties” System but I feel a need to cross-reference it as related for others reading along. The Democrat and Republican party are just names. What makes them what they are is how the shift happens at the middle, the so-called swing vote. A little shift and suddenly more changes than just the power, but the actual nature of the party itself.
Well, I think this muddy waters run deeper. Here's what I posted on Mick Arran's post:

I don't think you've gone quite Machiavellian enough with this. Don't know if Rahm or others came up with this plan, but no matter what the eventual outcome of all this, the Dems have eliminated the possibility of having to run against Specter in 2010.

Yes, the Dems promised Specter everything with nothing in return. But so far those are only promises. Specter knows what those are worth. In fact, in response to Specter's claims, Harry Reid's office sent out an email that stated flatly “no Chairmen or Subcommittee Chairmen will lose their Chairmanships in the 111th Congress.”

Whatever else you think of him, Specter is a cagey political animal. He knows damned good and well he's going to have to move left in order to get full-throated Democratic support in 2010. If he doesn't, regardless of political promises, it'll be Dem Rep Joe Sestak vs Pat Toomey, and Arlen Specter will be enjoying a long overdue retirement.
Thoughtful post, Saturn. I was pleased to hear this today. I would think it would be very hard for a moderate, good old-fashioned, conservative to hang with these right wing lunatics.
Democratic Party pragmatism for the past several years has meant welcoming conservatives and moderates. That's what it took to get a majority in both houses and that's what it takes here to prevent Republican obstructionism on many issues.

As for the Republicans, they are becoming so fringe that it's giving the Dems anything from mid-conservative to the far left. And their angry reactions today: Good riddance you RINO traitor!

As a Democrat, I say welcome aboard Senator.
I am just scratching my head over why dems would see Specter as a welcome addition. Why give up a seat to someone who certainly won't be supportive of many of the more important elements of the progressive agenda?
chuckle. I have scratched my head too.
I've bit my toenails, pinkie, knuckles bare.
My feet shuffle until a holes in the floor.

Who lost a toupee in the gentle breeze?
There's a piece of fake-hair in a pine tree.
Ay, I will shake a oak tree for a acorn nut.

Maybe a nut will drop to satiate my hunger.
I can Not even pay a few farmers a fair salary.
heehaw. I Am in a magazine too. Honest tho.
I am getting tired of Silent? No giggle times?

It's not so funny.
It's too bizarre.
Totally.
Insane.
politico.
VERILY!

Yesterday, I giggled in my tummy all dang day.
This wealth management magazine is local tho.
A interesting mag did a issue on organic market.

It really is called:`Smart.
I wish it was called:`Stoop.
O my o day. What a feeling.

Zippy. Uncle Remus, helps?
O, listen to the blue bird too.
Eat ice cream before it melts.
Respect. Great informations.
I Am glad we wear the clothes.
No scratch hole in numbskulls.
Wear a LLama wool hat. tipsy?
I best walk as a sober goof ball!
It's beyond words, fiddleheads.
huh? a curled green shade fern.
O, 'now there' ... behave. Why?
They are haunting nightmares!
Who lost a fake toupee? O shush.
I eat SUSHI Ginger on ice cream?
Sorry, Tom, but I'm not so keen on Sestak for the senate. The final straw for me was when he voted for that lousy FISA bill. I had much higher hopes for him when he first ran, but not any more.
Not sure why he didn't follow Jeffords' lead and go independent. He certainly doesn't seem to be a moderately liberal Obama-style Democrat. Frankly, I think his driving philosophy is personal ambition.
"Reid continues to baffle me. Who put this guy in charge?'
Well, Jimmymac, that is the $64000 question, isn't it. Reid continues to baffle me, too and if I had any say, he would not be the leader. He's got some dirty business deals and he is no where near progressive. So what is the deal?
Procopius...

Specter could not have won in PA by running as an Independent, and structurally this state makes it more difficult.

Also, he could not have run again after losing a primary, like Lieberman did in CT. PA election laws do not allow that.

Looking at it objectively, Specter made the best choice he could for himself. How it will play out for the state as a whole is still a very open question. I am skeptical, but willing to keep an open mind.

He certainly gave Toomey something to think about: "Now who am I going to run against?"
expediency is the name of the game. The possible sixty vote insurance for demo legislation against a filibuster in the climate of NO NO NO is worth a shot. It may also invote a look from Olympia Snow of Maine who is pretty disgusted with the current republican positions and anctions.
Ktm, you beat me to the answer there. Specter's best primary bet is to be a Democrat, most likely. And his best bet for future power, I guess. Wacky.