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Everything posted here, and more random thoughts, are also posted at my web site: http://kepkanation.com.

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APRIL 29, 2009 5:17PM

Presidential Press Conference Live Blog

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So... anyone up for a little live-blog fun this evening?

 

YouTube (linked above) is streaming the whole thing; I'm going to watch on MSNBC, because I can't figure out if the networks are showing it live or at 8 Pacific Time.

Watch this space, I guess.  Or watch the press conference and then come back to this space.

 


4:45 PT: I'm going to throw out a couple of expectations I have, just because... I dunno, that's what I'm going to do.

 

I expect 1). The first question will be about either Swine Flu or Arlen Specter.  Bonus points to anyone who can fit both into one question.  If I'm wrong about this, it will be because someone decides that a Hallmark 100 days question is more appropriate.

2). No one will ask about Ken Lewis's half-ouster at Bank of America today, though I would really, really like to hear Obama talk about that.  I put the odds of anyone asking about the Chrysler reorganization deadline (it's TOMORROW) at about 60 percent.

3).  A question: Can Chuck Todd outdo his past performance?  I think so, and here's how: Rhyming Couplets.  I hope he's working on that right now... unless he's not going to be there.  Anyone know the status of Chuck Todd tonight?  If the official NBC representative is Ed Schultz, I'm going to be very disappointed.

 5PT: Here we go.  Challenges we're dealing with: H1N1 Flu Virus, continuing the reluctance to say "swine flu."  Emergency $1.5 Billion -- it's amazing that those numbers can still sound like a lot.

"All the members of Congress who worked so quickly to get this blueprint passed..."  AKA, Thank you, Democrats.  Nicely framed as a victory for health care, a housing plan that's "the equivalent of a tax cut." 

"We have to lay a new foundation for growth... and that's what this budget is made to do."

5:05: Foreign policy greatest hits: moving toward end of war in Iraq; "Banning torture without exception."

And now the obligatory, at every Obama outing, listing of all the horrible challenges we face.  This means we can expect an "unrelenting" effort from the administration in the second hundred days, and third hundred, etc. -- Kent, I think he heard you.

5:07 I want to thank the American people for their support.  You're welcome, Mr. President.

OK, to the AP.  "Whether it's time to close the border with Mexico?"

5:10: Seems like a good, reasoned answer to a somewhat alarming/alarmist question.  The list of precautions being taken is good -- seems well informed, not panicked.  And even making this a nice, bi-partisan sounding effort.  Nicely handled.

The practical breakdown of our efforts is helpful to me -- I like details like this.  But I'm worried there will be some backlash because, yes, it does sound trivial -- but yeah, it is important.  Clearly he's thought of this, though.  Still not saying "swine flu."

5:13: Yeah!  Detroit News!  Chrysler question, hurrah.

"Very hopeful" that Chrysler can resolve itself.  I agree -- new stuff out of Treasury today for debt holder sacrifice speaks well for this.  Mentions labor sacrifice up front, which is tricky but honest.  He's very, very well briefed and up to date, and it shows.

Dodging the big G.M. deal, I notice -- the government is about to own more than 50% of that place.

"It was the prudent and appropriate thing for Chrylser to do" to start their filing.  Also, the Treasury Department and your administration asked them to.  Just sayin'.

5:16:  In the comments -- agreed, phm, the lighting could be better.  And hi, bbd.  I agree that it's nice to have an eloquent speaker up there.

All right, Jake Tapper bringing the big torture question: Did the previous administration sanction torture?

So far the answer is a predictable dodge... except, he just said that torture can get useful information from people, which I really didn't want to hear anyone from the administration ever say.

"The steps we've taken to prevent these enhanced interrogation techniques will make us stronger." Yes.  But still, there's no answer.

I really expect his "admission" that torture can produce useful information is going to be the big news point.

Yeah! Jake Tapper going back in -- and, "whatever legal rationales were used, that was a mistake."  Sounds like a yes.  That might be the next news point on this.

5:20: He needs to say a big clear no to the question of whether he would ever authorize torture RIGHT NOW.

RIGHT NOW.

That was a complex, lawyerly no.

Oh, Chuck Todd wants to move to Pakistan.  Hurrah!

CT: Can America guarantee security of Pakistani nukes?

This is actually a good question, though it's on an equally alarming scale with the closing the border question.  Are those two sharing notes?

I am not reassured by the military-to-military communication answer to whether we could guarantee the safety of their nukes.  

Huh.  Risky, telling Pakistan that their hatred of India is a misguided obsession.  Not saying it isn't true.  "We want to respect their sovereignty, but..."  I would assume everyone in Pakistan stopped listening right there and went out to buy more weaponry.

 5:26: Reuters: Does uptick in violence alter plans for withdraw from Iraq?

This is a very Bush-ist answer.  I immediately distrust anyone who says "no, no, really, there aren't that many bombings or civilians being killed."

Really, we seem to have strayed back into Bush territory completely here. 

 To the comments: LPS, no, sadly, no POM liquor.  Diet Pepsi is sustaining me.

5:30: Chip Reid: How big a deal is Specter changing parties?  Question for Chip Reid: Which Republicans are saying that this a big deal? 

Obama: No, no, not a big deal, except that it's going to make it possible for him to vote on health care and infastructure spending without worrying about being beat up in the Dirksen parking lot.

Did he just call Congress a "colorful" branch of government?  Like the "colorful" uncle that you let sit in the corner and rant at his bourbon?  This is how I think of Congress, too, sometimes, but it's funny to hear the president say it.

 Nice subtle reminder of the "I won" factor, and I really, really like this speech about partisanship: if you don't get a hundred percent of what you want, you can't use that as an excuse to reject everything out right.

Ah!  Co-equal, not colorful, thanks, LPS.

"I don't believe in crystal balls."  Is that a Bush line?

5:35: Ed Henry re: Notre Dame, has your position on abortion rights changed, do you want the Freedom of Choice act to be passed up.  And yes, Kent, you're right, that paygrade thing definitely referred to God -- but maybe to Ed Henry the president is closer to God than a Senator?

This is actually a fairly strong and thoughtful answer; it certainly seems like he expected the question.

5:37: Jeff Z, NYT: What has surprised, troubled, enchanted, and humbled?  Heh.  OK, that deserved a little laughter.  Really, New York Times?  You're the 100-days questioner?  What is this, the start of a new profile for the magazine?

 Surprised: "I didn't anticipate the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression."

"The typical president has 2 or 3 big problems; we have 7 or 8 big problems." That seems on target to me.

Troubled: "Change in Washington comes slow."  Eh.  Really?  This is a surprise?  Was the Seante working pretty fast when you were there?  Though it does certianly sound like he's talking about the stimulus bill.

Enchanted: Ooh, he goes to the servicemen and women.  That's a heavier answer than I expected.  I was guessing he'd say something about the kids, or the dog.

Strangely, the camera on MSNBC shook -- possibly with laughter -- during that answer.

Humbled: This is the Spider-Man answer.  Say it.  With great power comes great responsibility.  Aw, going for a battleship metaphor instead.

Nice reference to the patience of the American people.

5:43: What is your strategy for immigration reform?  Still in the first year?  Going to reach out to John McCain?  Nice that she reminds him that McCain is a Republican.

Obama: Would love to partner with McCain on immigration.  That's called "ball in your court," McCain.

Convene a working group -- nice shout-out to Congressional Hispanic Caucus members.  Long answer, still haven't heard a direct answer -- the summary of this is, "There's a lot of administrative work to be done."  "What we want to do is show we're competent and getting results."  That would seem to apply to anything.

Really, a Bill Clinton-esque answer there.

5:48: Black unemployment rate is in double digits; given this unique and desperate circumstance, what specifically are you doing, and what's a time table to see tangible results?

Obama: We're trying to help everyone, and the most vulnerable will be most quickly helped.

5:50: MS, Time: State secrets priviledge.  How does your view of state secrets differ from Bush's?  EXCELLENT question.

State Secrets doctrine should be modified; it's over-broad.  Hm.  "I think it is appropriate to say that there are going to be cases where national security interests are going to be at stake, and you can't litigate without revealing covert activities... that would generally compromise our safety."  

This is a strangely practical, liberal answer to this question, and his administration's actions have yet to meet with that bar.

5:53: Johnathan Weisman: What kind of shareholder will the government be as the majority shareholder in mortgage giants and automakers?

 The image of the auto-maker/Treasury umbilical cord is one that's never going to leave me.  Thanks, President Obama.

Systemic risk was the magical phrase in that long answer.  That sets the bar for when it's appropriate for the government to step in.  Too bad he's not focusing harder on that, instead of on this long, "well, they were failing, and we need them not to fail, so we're making them not fail."

This is a really, really interesting list of priorities: Iraq, Afghanistan, North Korea, Health Care, Iran,  Energy Independence, Pandemic Flu.

Woo-hoo!  That's a wrap.  So now it's just to see what the headlines are going to be, I guess.  I think the big story will be the torture bit, really, because he certainly seemed to have called past actions wrong.

Agreed, LPS, he should've done better answering the shareholder question.  Particularly since tomorrow we're gonna possibly be on the hook for a big piece of Chrysler.

PHM gives it an A-.  Anybody else?  Grade POTUS?

 


I'm with you all on this: an A-.  There was some fairly terrific dodging by the president, but he did come around on most things to at least a semi-substantive answer.  And it was remarkably calm, Kent, you're right.  The middle section, though containing questions about some really pressing issues, was almost sedate.

 

And yeah, LPS, I agree with CNN (though I can't seem to get it to tune in here): grasp of issues was amazing.

I'm taking a dinner break, but feel free to chatter in my absence.  Thanks for playing along, folks!

 

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Great! I'll try to be here...
need to sleep, pack & wash clothes - should do in reverse order, but will try to drop by for the fun!
Cool! I didn't know about it until just now, but there still seems to be seating available here, so I'm settling in to watch your simulcast event.
Always seats free for friends, Kent. It's like any political situation -- it's not when you show up, but who you know. ;)
I was thinking that he needs to say “It's not like the pressure is off. Now we have to start working on the next 100 days. And then the next. We can't afford to start coasting just because 100 days have passed.”
somebody please make Chuck Todd sit down.
Bing! Bing! Bing! First Question - swine flu. with the bonus - will you consider closing the border with Mexico?

A: too late anyway
It's so nice to have a president who can speak the English language and answer questions intelligently.
Darn. Yeah, Saturn, got my next hundre days. (That means you have to do another hundred posts, of course.) But gee, if I'd known he was listening I'd have asked for something bigger... Although the credit card protections he said were coming sound good. I hope he hurries on that.

lps, I think he's right about the cover your mouth thing. Now there's a border people can do something about.
Go Jake! Do you believe that the previous administration sanctioned torture?

holding my breath for the answer.
Hmmm. In saying that information was available other ways, he seems to be implying that if there were a trial, it would come out that useful information was obtained through torture. Maybe he doesn't want a trial so that it won't be found that it's a useful strategy.
He has artfully avoided answering the question re: previous admin, but it sounds an awful lot like a YES to me.
Saturn, we are so on the same wave-length. psyche!! Are you having the pom-tini, btw?

and yes, the candlelabras are awful.
Sorry Kent, I don't buy that tortured (ahem) logic. He did give a more definitive answer after the follow up question.
Well, he'd dodging like Neo in The Matrix. It may be graceful dodging, but it's also very conspicuous dodging.
Chuck Todd impersonating a serious reporter with a question about Pakistan, the Taliban & nuclear weapons.
Ha! at Lisa's comment!
three words/phrases I'll lay a million bucks you've never heard in a George W. Bush paragraph: 1) differently 2) constituencies and 3) co-equal branch of government.
Didn't above my paygrade refer to God, not the President??
a stumper - what has "enchanted" him about the Presidency?

a less artful bob&weave, but at least it's a thoughtful response

tapestry - another fabulous word; reflecting a real understanding of the inter-related web
Saturn, you're right, the Times needs to make a statement stronger than “Without us, how would you know what enchants our President? Renew your subscription today.”
I think that litigation answer relates back to the torture question. Someone has to have convinced him that litigation's big threat is the discovery, etc. that comes out for the purpose of constructing the defense.
phm—reveal her identity??? Geez, I was looking forward to seeing Her Purpleness, pseudonymous rings and all, invited to sit out there among the non-planet reporters, asking the tough questions we OS'ers want to know.
he needs to do a better job of explaining WHY we don't want to be shareholders, more than that he's too busy.
yep, we need to put Freaky on that umbilical cord/Chevy Volt image
and, well, just for old times' sake - a sartorial review

Thumbs up: Obama's suit, tie; AC on CNN - ooh, after the presser, but he is still hot!

Thumbs Down: Seafoam green suit in front row; Ed Henry's shirt/tie combo; bright yellow blazer in second row
Given the number of things going on, I think this was a very pleasant press conference. It speaks to the level of trust people have in him. It was startling how little any questioner showed any outright anxiety or urgency. Is that just there style, and was the anxiety in the text of the questions? It was just so measured...
I think an A- is right. It could have been more hard-hitting, so I leave room at the top. But he had such poise and control at a hugely difficult time in history that one has to give him something in the A range. Just take a moment to imagine what that press conference would have been like if McCain had been at the podium.
CNN Analysts:

David Gergen -
in terms of mastery of the issues, we have rarely had a President who is as well-briefed and speaks in as articulate a manner...
nuanced, very complete, up to speed...taken it to whole different level


having said that, somewhat disingenuous on issue of growing government

GRADE: A-
Aw, shoot! I missed his opening remarks, but was here in time for some of the questions. I can't really suggest a grade without catching up first. Maybe HuffPost has a link up ....
I agree with D. Gergen, phm, and Kent on the A-. Maybe even a B+ - very cautious (per J. King, and I agree)

I would have liked short, more direct answers on torture & interrogations.

Steven Hayes is an ass, by the way, on this - let's declassify these memos (what? the two of them Cheney wants or the entire file?)
Ktm, YouTube says they'll have video up momentarily, if you want to watch from the start. It's linked through the picture above.
Ed Rollins - he gets a little boring as time goes on

ME: I"ll take boring and smart any day of the week!
Thanks for hosting, Saturn. That was fun.
Saturn, thanks so much for hosting us! Always fun to share the politics buzz with all of you here!

Lisa
Thanks Saturn, always enjoyable to sit in your den.

I agree with Lisa comment about short, concise answers. I'd give BO a B, just because there were questions that should have had unequivocal answers.
I just saw the opening remarks on CNN, but now I'm going to check out YouTube, since CNN didn't include the Q&A....
thanks for having all of us over to watch this at your place...ummm....can someone give me a ride home?...or i could just crash here if that's cool...
Thanks for blogging it! I missed the first 15 minutes and was really curious about the swine flu response
I came to read after the fact, Saturn. I watched the press conference on my own and then came to see your take. You're good at this! I enjoy your quick wit.

I think Obama did very well. As always, I'm struck by the contrast between him and Bush re grasp of issues and comfortableness with big words and thoughtful, in-the-moment speech. I'm confounded by the right-wingers who mock his reliance on teleprompters and think he doesn't do live speech well. I have the precisely opposite view on this.

I'm not sure Obama "admitted" torture produces information. I think he was clear in modifying his answer to "Even if it produces information, I'm still not convinced we couldn't have gotten that information otherwise." He also made a distinction b/t the "public" information out there, suggesting that the internal information does not support the notion that torture generates good information. I think he did a great job presenting angst and a strong sense of ethics surrounding the torture issue; my husband remarked that it's really ironic, given GWB's supposed flaming Christianity, that that president never appeared to grapple with torture in the same way. Obama definitely dodged the blame-Bush part of the torture question, though.

I actually love the way Obama ended the conference, with a strong statement disabusing people of the notion that he enjoys broadening the government's reach into the private sector. He was persuasive there, I thought. I mean, who the hell would want that extra stuff on their plate? That's what I thought and can't imagine anyone not realizing the truth of his words.
Quoting you about Obama: "...he just said that torture can get useful information from people, which I really didn't want to hear anyone from the administration ever say."

That's your imagination talking, Saturn. Go back and read what he actually said, which was, "I am absolutely convinced it was the right thing to do, not because there might not have been information that was yielded by these various detainees who were subjected to this treatment, but because we could have gotten this information in other ways, in ways that were consistent with our values, in ways that were consistent with who we are."

The word "useful" never passed his lips. Everyone agrees that waterboarding extracts "information." It's validity is what is questioned. Obama left his opinion on that unknown.
Joseph, he didn't literally say the word “useful.” But saying we could have gotten certain information other ways implies it was useful. One doesn't say “we couldn't have gotten babbling/lies/confusions/obfuscation/useless-info other ways.”

He was basically setting expectations so that if the memos are leaked or later de-classified, someone doesn't pull the c-span tapes and say he lied or even misled us. And moreso he was making sure that he didn't use an argument against torture that would later be found to be the wrong argument, that is, an argument someone could disprove. He was being very careful, which is his way. But the nature of the care he was using was very revealing, in my opinion, because I claim if you read between the lines it said that something was gotten that they actually used, something that would feed the propaganda mills if it were known. He was saying he doesn't buy the propaganda that would follow, but he was saying that they would have fodder for trying, as Cheney had promised.

That's my read anyway, and I'm stickin' to it.
Kent, I stay with literal translation. My read has been proved wrong so often.