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MAY 26, 2009 10:14AM

The New Supreme: Sotomayor

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NPR is reporting that President Obama's first pick for the Supreme Court will be Second District Appeals Court Judge Sonia Sotomayor, 54.  If confirmed, she'd be the first Hispanic  and third ever woman to serve on the Supreme Court, which seems to be everyone's headline.  Mine would be this:

Administration officials say Sotomayor, with 17 years on the bench, would bring more judicial experience to the Supreme Court than any justice confirmed in the past 70 years.

Experience!  And yards and yards of a paper trail.  Despite some early doubts about a few of her positions, she seems like a pretty solid liberal pick, smart, quick thinking, and with a practical take on the law (and substantial experience) that might enliven debate at the Court a bit -- and perhaps push Roberts out of his sticky majority conservatism.

The Obama team hasn't yet shown a particular strength for vetting, so I'm sure there are still surprises to come -- fingers crossed that she's paid her taxes correctly.  Still, I expect a confirmation debate more like Roberts's own battle, with a minority party making a lot of noise about voting against her while they won't actually be able to stop the nomination.  But what will this coming "battle" look like?

Well, start with the beginning.  Obama has chosen to announce his pick this week while Congress is in recess, making it a little more difficult for opposition leaders to scramble immediately into meetings about blocking the nominee.  Certainly they've met before this, but the line they've chosen so far is anti-empathy -- and I'm going to need someone to explain to me how that's a winning position.  In fact, a Memorial Day recess announcement means that anyone who wants to be in D.C. to counter Sotomayor's fitness will need to give up scheduled time back in his or her district, fundraising.  (This apparently doesn't apply to Harry Reid, since Obama is headed out to Nevada later today to join his floundering campaign already in progress).

NPR's Nina Tottenberg reported on air this morning that campaign staffers have already been brought back on board to head up the confirmation battle.  I'm wary of this -- the way that you make deals in a campaign is much, much different than the way that one makes deals with the power of a sitting president backing you.

Which leads me back to the idea that, while there may be a lot of smoke around the idea of a nomination "battle," I'm not convinced there's going to be much fire, unless someone in the White House makes a mistake.

Which brings us to right now.  What the president says today matters.  The way the debate is framed matters.  So I'm going to tune in, and maybe add a few comments as his presentation goes.  If anyone else is watching, I'd love to see what stands out for you.


Watching the speech now: Obama seems to really be emphasizing her experience, and this is a way, way, way better frame than the "personal history" frame that I had most feared.  It's a subtle way to fit that all in -- he said life experience can bring "compassion," which is a nice conservative buzzword that means exactly the same thing as the now-maligned "empathy" idea.

I'm very intrigued by Joe Biden standing next to Obama at the announcement.  Did Cheney shadow Bush at the Roberts and Alito hearings?

OK, I admit it, her speech briefly made me a little teary.  You know, the thing is, this should be a terribly humbling honor for anyone.

Sotomayor: "Although I grew up in very modest and challenging circumstances, I consider my life to be immeasurably rich."

The feeling I have from her speech (so far) is that here is a woman who is a great advocate for herself -- a quality that's needed not just for a nomination battle, but to work on a court with eight other supreme egotists.  "I strive never to forget the real-world consequences of my decisions on individuals, businesses, and government."


George Stephanopolous (with assists from Diane Sawyer) keeps saying that it will be a big deal that Sotomayor has had four decisions overturned by the Supreme Court.  Uh, why?  It's pretty clear that her take on law isn't the same as at least 5 of the current members, right?  So why would that be a big deal?  The big deal -- and here's my project -- might be if Souter voted against all four.

Normally, I would be watching MSNBC for this, but I have to say I'm finding "Good Morning America" just plain fascinating.  If the push here is to engage the goodwill of the public behind Sotomayor -- which I think is at least 75 percent of their current strategy -- then this is probably one of the better playing fields upon which to play that game.  So what's the GMA focus?  It's been on this rumor of "brusque" manner on the Court.  Diane Sawyer keeps mentioning it, and then the guests shoot it down -- a former clerk says she's very kind, and Jake Tapper at the White House said the point that the women's groups on the ground there were making was that this isn't an argument that would be made against a male candidate.  And yet Sawyer revived the "charge" of brusqueness again only twenty seconds later.

Is that it?  Is that the argument the media is going to carry from the GOP?  Really?

GMA has moved on to "emotional journies" of women who lost, I don't know, 8 billion pounds and something called the Sucker-Punch Wall.  So I guess news is over for the day, huh?

Final, random note: I feel well-served by Twitter today. 

MarkKnoller: "As a child, Sotomayor was a fan of Nancy Drew and wanted to be a detective, but was ultimately inspired to the law by Perry Mason."

JakeTapper: "Huckabee issues statement criticizing 'appointment of Maria Sotomayor for the Supreme Court.' Roo?"

EzraKlein: "BREAKING: Obama administration nominates Judge No One Cares What Jeffrey Rosen Thinks."

MarkKnoller: "And VP Biden whispered to Sotomayor after her remarks: 'Told ya. Piece of cake. Piece of cake. You did wonderful.'"

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God, I hope she payed her taxes.
Seriously, I hope that's the first thing they checked about everyone.
As far as I know she's a good choice. But you know what's coming Saturn, the douche bag controversy. Remember, the case where she wouldn't overturn the decision of a highschool to kick a teenage girl off the student council because she used her blog to incite fellow students to piss of her "douchebag" female principle. Although it will be somewhat amusing to watch conservatives try and spin that against her.
I am immensely pleased at this pick. Her background appears to be impeccable. Not wealthy either.
Please, please, please...
Yeah, Juliet. I know, and I sigh. That whole "douchebag" blog controversy seems actually uncontroversial to me, and particularly difficult for the GOP to bring up against her, as it's a school's rights kind of case, not really a free speech question (if my memory is correct).
I'm totally with you on that. I find this case trivial. But I guess we'll see.
If the past 100 plus days have taught me one thing, it's this. Better to sit back and watch what happens before weighing in. I'm tired of being disappointed.
"God, I hope she payed her taxes."

Quote of the day.
Okay I'm back. I just found out she cancelled the world series the year the Expos we're leading by a massive 74-40, and were six games ahead of the Braves....what a d-------. I'm so against this appointment! Too bad I'm Canadian.
I was also disturbed by the "douche bag" ruling, but am cautiously optimistic about the nomination. I hope that you are right about how the confirmation hearings will proceed.

@ Moses, "God, I hope she payed her taxes." Me too, me too.
I blame the baseball owners, not Sotomayor, on that one, Juliet. Can she still be on the Supreme Court?
I was amazed by the leak of the name and the consequent preconditioning on the 24/7 outlet I had on. The actual announcement was almost anti-climactic. I double dog dare the Republicans to try to Bork her. (Ruling against us is legislating - ruling with us is interpreting!)
Stacey, I think I'm glad I was in the car until just before the announcement -- NPR had the name, too, but Nina Totenberg gave fairly measured, bland biographical information about Sotomayor before digging into the possibilities of the political fight. TV reporters seem to so far be focusing on the "sexiest" possibilities for the nomination battle -- it's certainly in their interest for this to be dramatic, I guess, whereas NPR will cover the court battle either way.
I was not taken aback about the "douchebag" decision because the appeals court essentially affirmed and aspect of the 1st Amendment that even William O. Douglas would have concurred with--and that is the ability to restrict speech which attempts to "incite action" which is clearly what the young woman did.
As an older, white male, there is a part of me which wishes that all prospective jurists would have been considered however that's the old fart in me coming out rather than the "political scientest".
This could be a great pick. The kind of background that can see beyond the narrow confines of the letter of the law. The kind of judge who appreciates the opportunities of America still represented by the uniqueness of our constitution.
Will the dynamic of the Court change appreciably with judge Sotomayor on the bench? Maybe. And maybe that's good.
Can and will she be confirmed? Absolutely. Should she be confirmed. Absolutely.
Sounds like an intelligent political pick. We all have to hope that if confirmed, she works out to the benefit of the country and the citizens.

Choices for the court tend to surprise. But this one sounds firmly on ground I feel is solid.

I don't think the Republicans will play hardball with this pick.

The next one may prove more of an adventure...depending on the person being replaced.
Her personal narrative not with standing, Jonathan Turley has gone as the record saying the opinions she has authored are scholastically and intellectually thin.

Also troubling is the fact that she will be the sixth Catholic on the court which is not reflective of the US population at all.

Evidently she not terribly liberal either and sides with the government in most criminal cases. More center right like Obama.

With all the horrible things Obama has been doing lately especially on the foreign policy front a la "prolonged" detention, Pakistan and Gitmo, I would have hoped he would have at least found a liberal replacement for Justice Souter.

MSNBC has already mentioned her ruling on freedom of speech which Dr. Levinson discussed here:
Sotomayor's Bad 1st Amendment Decision Should Disqualify Her

She will probably be confirmed, but watch her be another Trojan Horse like Obama.
Walter, I agree with you on the appeals court case completely, and I certainly think she will be confirmed unless something goes terribly wrong.

Frank, I think they may try to play hardball -- Cornyn and Kyl seem ready to go -- but I say bring that on. It seems like a big-time losing prospect for them.
Yeah, I've commented on Levinson's piece and we've been discussing it here -- I just don't see it as the big black mark that it's being advertised as. I'll check out what Turley's saying, though.
Oh well Fox News was running out of talking points.
Interesting pick for a man (and his VP!) who taught constitutional law. I cant wait to see how much more the right wing will marginalize itself trying to defeat this pick.
Heh heh. That is the best game in town right now, Tim.
WVFC is following the news and discussion about Sonia Sotomayor with great interest.

http://womensvoicesforchange.org/supreme-court-buzz-part-three-sonia-sotomayors-ascent-from-a-life-of-struggle.htm
This seems like a good pick. As expected, Obama chose someone who is very qualified first, then having the "empathy" based on her background. The Republicans will have a hard time opposing her.
Thank God.

In 200-plus years, never a latino/a? That's a crime. One woman out of nine? That's a crime.

It's about time was start building a court that reflects America.

I feel proud to have women finally getting 2/9 of a voice--even if it's less than half what they deserve--and latins getting a first-ever voice.

The thing I liked best about the run-up this time was that there were a slew of women short-listed, and any one of them seemed highly qualified. We don't have to dumb it down to include women and minorities, we just have to quit picking white guys every time.
This will be interesting to say the least. According to an article on Yahoo, she has already admitted that her "gender and race" may influence her judgment. Gee, I thought being on the SC meant being able to interpret the constitution, without dragging your own baggage into it? Sure, she's qualified, but I don't trust Obama's motives in selecting her.

I call Bullshit!
Seems to me that the Right is playing on the issue of "identity politics." They are jumping all over her statement some time ago in a speech that "she would hope that a Latina woman would make better decisions than a white male based on life experiences."

They are trying hard to paint her as a "liberal activist judge" - although it will be harder to paint her record as "whimsical" and "lawless" - given that she has been on the Federal Bench for 11 years.
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also, ditto on the Twitter kudos today. I got the news on Twitter first before the announcement.
Her decision in the high school case was arguably too conservative. Her decision in the firemen's case was unquestioningly too liberal. Therefore, she's the obvious choice for our new all-things-to-all-people president. Attributes conquer achievement once again.

One thing that liberals can take comfort from: it's doubtful that any fatal scandals will involve Sotomayor's personal life.
she has already admitted that her "gender and race" may influence her judgment. Gee, I thought being on the SC meant being able to interpret the constitution, without dragging your own baggage into it?

oh, right, people from different backgrounds never see the same situations differently. come on. we often see them radically differently.

experience is a marvelous thing.

justices are interpreting a very general document as it relates to the lives of actual human beings, entering situations never anticipated.

the most amazing thing to me is that you trivialize her unique experiences as "baggage" and cast them as a negative, rather than a positive. if she's dragging in a bunch of anger at misdeeds that have occurred to her and acting in a knee-jerk response to settle her old scores by victimizing some white guys who have nothing to do with it, sure that would be baggage. and where is the evidence that she has thought or acted that way in her long tenure on the bench?

if she brings the insight of someone who has seen law used against people in unexpected ways, and can share that perspective with the court, that's not baggage, that's wisdom.
I hope she not only paid her taxes, but paid some extra on behalf of any undocumented household staff. Oh please, oh please...
"If you nominate her, they will fight"

(which is to say, no matter who Obama might have chosen, somebody wants a fight)
I wouldn't worry about personal issues. The Republicans would be dumb to pick a lose-lose fight.
As if those five guys already on SCOTUS, who have been caricatured with "Popes hats," don't have any baggage of their own.
I can't wait for the "white man's affirmative action" crowd to start their whine and noise machine. It's about time that we had a Hispanic on the Supreme Court, but that's not the only reason for Sonia Sotomayor's nomination.

We also need to bring a voice of liberal reason to the Supreme Court to break the stronghold that the forces of evil and wrong have had on our government.

I hope that she paid her taxes, didn't hire illegal aliens to clean her house, and did no corrupt acts as a jurist or lawyer.
Yeah, I'm with Dave -- I find it much easier to trust someone who says, "Who I am has an effect on how I think" than anyone who believes that their personal situation doesn't change how they interpret the world around them (up to and including the law). Sotomayor's self-awareness works in her favor.
Glenn Greenwald has posted that "Charles Krauthammer is already snarling on Fox News" that "justice that is unfair to white people in favor of "certain ethnicities" -- is deeply pernicious." The average Hispanic voter needs to pay close attention to this and remember it in the future as they enter the voting booth.
According to an article on Yahoo, she has already admitted that her "gender and race" may influence her judgment.

Not to put too fine a point on it, but any judge who doesn't realize that gender and race may influence his judgment is fooling himself. (I use "his" advisedly; the odds are 3 to 1 that a randomly chosen federal judge is a man. Oh, and of the 110 Supreme Court justices we've seen in history, 106 have been white men.) Of course these factors influence judgment; human beings aren't robots. Does anyone think Plessy v. Ferguson would have been a 7 to 1 vote in an integrated Supreme Court?
"oh, right, people from different backgrounds never see the same situations differently. come on. we often see them radically differently."

I never implied otherwise.

"experience is a marvelous thing."

I agree.

"justices are interpreting a very general document as it relates to the lives of actual human beings, entering situations never anticipated."

Yeah, and the justices are supposed to interpret said document with as little personal bias as possible.

"the most amazing thing to me is that you trivialize her unique experiences as "baggage" and cast them as a negative, rather than a positive. if she's dragging in a bunch of anger at misdeeds that have occurred to her and acting in a knee-jerk response to settle her old scores by victimizing some white guys who have nothing to do with it, sure that would be baggage. and where is the evidence that she has thought or acted that way in her long tenure on the bench? if she brings the insight of someone who has seen law used against people in unexpected ways, and can share that perspective with the court, that's not baggage, that's wisdom."

With all due respect, Dave. I wasn't trying to put her in a negative light. She's qualified and may very well make a great addition to the SC. Her qualifications ALONE should be what matters.
Charles Krauthammer is raising a legitimate issue as to whether with her reverse discrimination decision in the firefighters' case, Sotomayor may undue the teachings of Martin Luther King, Jr. about character v. skin color.

Glenn Greenwald is being, oh how should we put it?, Glenn Greenwald. I know SS believes that Obama hangs on his every word, but if he does, and I sincerely doubt it, that's just what he'll do: hang.
rob and saturn, really well said. i especially liked this:

"any judge who doesn't realize that gender and race may influence his judgment is fooling himself"

of course it impacts the judge's view. i'm with saturn that someone who realizes that starts off much higher in my book for having some wisdom and self-awareness.
i checked in on CNN today, and the punditry is annoying as ever, but so what? they will rant all sorts of nonsense, but today is a great day for america.

for the first time ever, a latino will have a voice. that giant chunk of our nation will no longer be excluded.

and women are twice as represented. the idea of 8/9 of that court still being male is a travesty. over the next hundred years, it damn well better average 4-5. it can go higher, and lower from time to time, that's fine: 5-4, 4-5, 6-3, 3-6, are all reasonable, although 7-2 seems really out of whack and better not stand for any length of time.

there are plenty of highly qualified women, and what a wonderful testament to equality it would be if obama could appoint four people and chose four straight women, so that the majority gender actually held a slight majority on the court.

(but i'm not holding my breath.)
I'm not convinced that she is Obama's first choice. I believe he is "throwing her to the dogs" so his second nominee (his first choice to get seated) will have an easier path to follow.
I'm not sure I agree that experience is the best factor. I think there is a reason that the President is both commander of the military forces and a civilian. I think there is a reason that Supreme Court justices are required to be neither judges nor lawyers. Sometimes experience can be incidentally useful in allowing us to see how someone thinks. But honestly, I'd rather have someone who has lived life sitting in that seat than someone who has a track record of efficiently telling others how to live theirs. This is not to denigrate what judges do, only to say that by the time decisions have been through the number of appeals that they usually have to get to the Supreme Court, the legal issues are laid out. What is the big open question is the administration of compassion and the sense of obligation to the freedoms laid out in the Constitution.

I'm much more worried about someone who will stand up to people like Bush and Cheney, or perhaps even people like Obama if he doesn't straighten out on issues like torture and prolonged detention, and say “Freedom means freedom.” The Supreme Court's job is not to tell people, as Sotomayor has, that the need for respect for authority is somehow a core value on par with free speech rights when exercised out of school by a person who happens to be a student. (See the ruling here, with specific attention to the Conclusion section if you're skimming. I do not agree with those that allege that the ruling is just fine when taken in context. The ruling manufactures a legislative basis to suit an intellectually desired end and I think is not a good sign of something I want more of on the Court. Implicit in the ruling is that the Court must be conservative about overriding the school board unless it is really, really sure, and I do not want my court of last resort timid about overriding civil officials who have overstepped.)

I think at a time when we know specific rights are in jeopardy, we need to make sure the people we are packing the Court with are especially sensitive to the issues that might come up. Free speech in a terrorism-driven world is one. Respect for authority in an era of over-reaching Executives is another. I don't see signs of good judgment in this ruling by Sotomayor so unless I hear her publicly recanting, count me firmly opposed.

I wish people would stop about her ethnicity or gender. I'd like to see more women on the court and I didn't spend years of my life learning Spanish and living in Latin America because I dislike hispanics. It'd be great to see hispanics equally represented. But what we have to focus on is judgment and I'd like signs of better judgment on the extraordinarily key issues touched on by this case.
Very exciting news, I am happy and think she is an excellent selection.
" I wish people would stop about her ethnicity or gender. "

So do I. Let's start with Sotomayor herself.

I wonder how long a candidate would last after saying something like, "I'd like to think that the life experience of a rich white man more often than not leads to better judgments than those of latino women."
I see many have instantly decided that she is a good choice. I will wait a few days before deciding either way. Out of the box, that video of her comments on a " Policy Making Appellate Court" should be troubling to all. First because she thinks it and second because she verbalized it. I am sure that there are some Judges that might think that in private but, they would not admit to such an overeach in such a public forum. Not good judgement to say the least
I dunno, Jay -- I'd rather have someone who says what they're thinking than one of the justices you mention who think that privately but never say it.
How about someone who doesn't think it AND who doesn't say it?

They're out there, but they don't satisfy Obama's prime criteria: female, Hispanic, and not intellectually challenging.
Also, as I noted in a comment on Paul Levinson's recent post (his second on this topic) where I pointed out that discussion of teaching, promoting, displaying “good citizenship” were all over that bad first amendment ruling unchallenged as to what aspect of using a bad word makes someone a bad citizen. Dissent is absolutely critical and the notion that good citizens are those who don't is quite distressing.