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Saturn Smith

Saturn Smith
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Everything posted here, and more random thoughts, are also posted at my web site: http://kepkanation.com.

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JUNE 1, 2009 10:18PM

The Auto Task Force: Bigger, Better, and Greener

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So, G.M. is going into bankruptcy, and the government's going to own a big slice. Yep.  Please raise your hand if you're surprised.  OK, seeing no hands up, let's move on to what's really interesting here: who exactly is going to be running G.M.

I think the answer lies in the video above.  No, not just in the president's remarks, where he says that he won't be making the decisions -- in the people who are in attendance at the remarks.  Namely, in his auto task force.

So who are all these people standing with him?  Well, from left to right, I spot:

Christina Romer, Chair of the Council of Economic Advisers
Stephen Chu, Secretary of Energy
Hilda Solis, Secretary of Labor
Barack Obama -- what's that guy do?
Gary Locke, Secretary of Commerce
Ray LaHood, Secretary of Transportation and Natty Handkerchiefs
Peter Orszag, OMB Director

Next row:
Austan Goolsbee, member of the Council of Economic Advisers
Larry Summers, director of the National Economic Council
Carol Browner, assistant to the president for Energy and Climate Change
The Mayor from Spin City  Jared Bernstein, Economic Adviser to VP Joe Biden

Back row:
Ron Bloom, senior adviser at Treasury
Gene Sperling, counselor to Geithner and member of the CEA
Ed Montgomery, Director of Recovery for Auto Communities and Workers
Steven Rattner, who I believe to be the Car Czar and possibly also the Worst Tie Picker in history

Not pictured: Tim Geithner, who's in China, and about six other second-tier members of the auto task force, including the 31 year old that the New York Times seems to think is running this show, Brian Deese.  I guess there's only so many people you can fit in the Grand Foyer.

Image means a lot in Washington.  Obama may be saying, today, that the government is going to keep its nose out of the new G.M., but we're still a few months away from that new entity, and everyone standing behind him will have a say in what it looks like.

So what I'm most interested in here is that two people -- Chu and Browner -- are present from the energy/environment side.  The way the administration has tied the success of the automotive industry to the cause of the environment is kind of fascinating.  Chrysler is being pushed toward smaller, more eco-friendly models, and now it seems inevitable that G.M. will be pushed that way, too.  These people -- this task force -- is built to do exactly that.

In case you're wondering, as I did, who President Bush brought out with him when he announced the auto bailout, here's the answer:



Bush stood alone and couched his discussion of the loans in almost completely business terms.  He made no mention of the companies changing to fuel efficient models or of any goal to achieve energy independence, as Obama did in his speech.

I kind of like the new crowd.

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If you like the new crowd Saturn, you need to get a bit older and wiser. We have (had) a free market in this country. If GM and Chrysler cannot compete, they should be allowed to fail.....as for the employees and dealers who are losing out, they rode the gravy train selling overpriced poor quality crap and now it's time to pay up.

Private business does not need the government to "push" them in any direction. If you can't compete, you fail. If you build a better mouse trap the world beats a path to your door.
I think we have a fundamental disagreement about the role and function of the government in the American market, RW, that probably can't be solved here. But while I understand the point of view that says these companies should have failed, we're way past the point where that's even an option, so restarting the debate seems unproductive to me -- not in small part because I'd bet neither of us could convince the other.
As usual, Saturn. You are superb.
While I'm deeply in love with the idea of our government kicking our collective asses with smart policies until we stop our silly oil addiction and learn to love responsible transportation, I've got misgiving about this approach to guiding GM's rebuilding.

GM makes or breaks on its ability to sell cars. If it's not restructured around that goal, the money poured into it—and the jobs being protected by that money—is for naught. A serious gas tax puts the same burden on BMW and Toyota as on whatever the restructured GM is. A restructured GM that is a quarter focused on policy goals has different burdens than MB or Honda and will fail.
Good eye, Saturn. Chu and Browner, exactly.

GM and its ilk (in league with the oil folks) have been malevolent forces, preventing this country from progressing by buying politicians and convincing them that making more efficient cars will destroy them. Guess what. They were the opposite of right.

Obama and co. are going to harness this thing and make it a positive force to kick us into a new energy economy. As powerful a force as GM has been in preventing progress, it will now (if it works) be the engine of progress.

It's beyond plain market forces.

A bit condescending, nutjob?

TNSTAAFM. The automakers and oil peddlers have sucked at the government teat for 60 years.

You've been paying the price for being stuck on oil in your income taxes for your entire working life. It's called subsidy. And oil war.

Now the poles have been reversed.

I'm not only willing to pay taxes to make GM an electric-fuelcell-biohybrid force, I'll buy a GM car if it doesn't run on dinosaur bones.

Don't forget the national security implications. GM does make a heck of a lot of vehicles for military use; and don't forget the troops who are killed in the supply train delivering gas to run the GM Humvees; How about if they run on hydrogen created on site in Baghdad through solar electrolysis?

You save money. And blood.

Penny wise, pound foolish.

Time to smarten up, folks.
Smart and incisive analysis as usual, Saturn! Many of us in the Old World are very happy to see the US government not just starting to take the environment seriously but even taking the lead. Obama's innovative approach, melding restructuring of the Detroit automakers to improving the environmental impact of the cars they produce, is an example to be followed.
More fuel efficient cars are necessary, but not with the thumb of government pressing down on an industry that will stifle all true ingenuity. They have successfully smothered all life out of these companies. All I see for them in the future is more failure and government bailouts. I have no confidence this will succeed. It may have it they had been allowed to fail and file for reorganization long ago when it first happened.

Our population is stagnant...not growing...and in the next twenty years or so as the baby-boomers pass on, we will be losing one of the largest segments of our population. This is the class that has control of the money right now. We would be better served if the government would ask companies to go to a 4 day work week. It would slow the economy down for everyone and if there was an industry that needed to grow, they could put more people to work.

I want the government out of my life, I don't want to be bedded with them. I already feel smothered by all of the czars and presidential decrees.

I know the President needs some power, but I think the administration is sucking way too much away from the people at this point. I am not condoning what Bush did either. I feel he was sucked into this "government can cure all" mentality as well. I feel like a helpless outside observer watching our country go down in flames, just as Rome burned to the ground. Oh we the people will survive, but we won't come out looking like anything we are familiar with.
GM and its Republican dominated distribution force have ripped off what? Five generations of Americans?

It's about time that the government stepped in, saved some jobs, forced some partying, high school educated fools to get more training, smacked the crooked, greedy unions down a notch, and cleaned up the train wreck.

When I can trade in my darned good KIA, which at 8 years old, retains more resale value than any GM pile of crap, for a more energy efficient vehicle that won't fall apart in five years, or kill me with bad passenger safety, I'll go green.
Oh, and congratulations, Saturn, on your front page status! Well deserved, I say.
Interesting piece in yesterday's NY Times about someone not pictured--31 year old Brian Deese.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/01/business/01deese.html?_r=1&em

"It is not every 31-year-old who, in a first government job, finds himself dismantling General Motors and rewriting the rules of American capitalism. But that, in short, is the job description for Brian Deese, a not-quite graduate of Yale Law School who had never set foot in an automotive assembly plant until he took on his nearly unseen role in remaking the American automotive industry."

Interesting story & I hope he's not in over his head.
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Thank God somebody pushed these auto industry blowhards, doncha think! It's WAY OVERDUE. Peter Boyle delineated in great detail in the April 27 issue of the New Yorker how smart/stupid the car industry was when they "invented" the SUV (The major fundamental blunder of the car industry to date) in answer to stricter emissions regulations in 1975. The car industry's answer to givenment policy intended to HELP the environment was to produce a BIGGEr less efficient car on a truck bed because trucks were "governed by lower standards!" Yes, anything to make a buck. I wish Obama and his team had been president then so they could shove the American car industry off the cliff and do what they are doing NOW. Back in 1975 (I was married with a kid then) it was, what they thought, a cleaver way to sell big humungus gas guzzling cars fitted to a truck to the dumb Americans who would buy them! And so here we are. I hope GM fails. They've been choked by labor for decades. They have disrespected the American public and our environment for decades. They have made us look ridiculous in the face of Nissan and other Japanese car manufacturers who knew better and did better. I hope the demise of the American car industry happens fast. It doesn't bother me. I don't even own a car. I live green in Chicago and walk and take public transport everywhere I go.
I like the new crowd, too. I don't think Saturn (and I) are alone in that regard.

"Let them fail." I'm so tired of that. It's not just the automakers that suffer (which seems to be okay with most Republicans, because autoworkers and union members are Democrats, right?).

But the vast majority of domestic dealers are Republican, and they're very much in favor of the bailout.

Gee, I wonder why?

As far as government gravy trains go, the auto industry has been bankrolled by anti-market forces for years. So why the sudden demand that they work by "market" rules now?

It's not as simple as "build a better mousetrap." The EV-1 was a better mousetrap. It's also "believe in the mission behind your better mousetrap even when cheap crappy mousetraps make you more money in the short run."

That, rwnutjob, is the essence of current corporate thinking, by the way: make money as fast as possible, look for the highest short-term gains, and never think about consequences beyond your own bank account.
I don't think that having a 31 year old with zero car industry experience inspires a lot of confidence at all. Cars are a complex business; that is a really, really steep learning curve, but infomative.
Just one point.

When you consider that in the past, our government actually enabled companies like GM to act foolishly by offering tax breaks! to purchasers of Hummers... how can anyone say that we don't need a bit of yin to mitigate waaaaay too much yang?

I do love your analyses, Saturn!
As always...spot on. Any chance on you doing a piece on Brian Deese...I'd love to see your take.
I admit I'm fascinated by the Brian Deese story that the Times ran, but in part because I don't know how far to believe it. Deese wasn't listed as a member of Obama's official Auto Industry Task Force, but in the piece he says for a while he was the only member. So... I'm not sure I believe that he's actually in charge, just that the Times wanted a killer story/headline out of a guy who probably has a bit more influence than his title would suggest.
@Thesagejournal: "They have successfully smothered all life out of these companies." Huh? How can you make that claim when 1) both Chrysler and GM have proven themselves to be lifeless shells of functional companies for so long; and 2) Obama's team has hardly done anything yet. Unless you want to make the argument that Rick Wagoner = "life" for GM, that's a silly claim to make.
that was a nice speech but i think he read from a teleprompter. oops, sorry, conservative flashback moment.

i don't mean to be flippant but i'm very much in the wait and see how this turns out mode. one things is for sure; it's a damn sight better than what the last guy did, which nothing.
I, too, like the new crowd and think we have a much better approach to things under the current administration.

While I agree that we should let the free market reign, and if they fail, they fail, we have to keep in mind the situation in December of last year. Without government support, both GM and Chrysler would have filed Chapter 11. With the credit markets completely frozen, they would have never received debtor-in-possession financing. So they would have ended up in liquidation. Taking down the company, the suppliers, the dealers, and the small businesses in the towns surrounding those plants.

We had no choice, in my humble opinion, but to provide assistance.

So now to the go forward picture.....these are seriously broken companies. They build cars people won't buy and have turned entire generations off of their products. They are hamstrung by outrageous pension and retiree medical liabilities caused by our lack of national health care. We have given consumers tax incentives to buy the biggest of the vehicles they make.

They have to be remade. The new owners (us/unions/Canada/Fiat, et al) are demanding something different. I have seen many a company taken over and the new owner almost always demands something new. I see this as no different. I hope we (the royal we: us/unions/Canada/Fiat, et al) set them on the right course then get the taxpayers out of it.....because in the end, I don't want to own a car company. In the short run, I think it is fine.
I like clean water, air I can breathe, and a few wide open spaces. . . so I thank "the government." Businesses did not decide to be good citizens in the past, they were forced to be.

co2 is not something you can see. Your air may not look so bad, but the planet is dying. Citizens will keep buying bigger houses and larger cars . . . until somebody tells them "no." Businesses will keep on happily supplying these things that will kill us until somebody tells them "no."

So bring on the government! (In the form of smart, science-friendly wonks.) Will they be perfect? No. But somebody has got to make better decisions than consumers and the companies who feed our appetites for More and Bigger.

The market alone cannot cure what ails us.
I am also slightly nervous about having a 31yo with zero auto experience playing such a prominent role here. It reminds me of the tomfoolery that happened when Bush was attempting to turn Iraq into some kind of NeoCon paradise.
The auto business is simple- product is King. They must have compelling products again. All the environmental talk is useless unless they sell cars. You want environmentally sound cars? Fine- make it, sex it up, and sell it. With the emphasis on SEX IT UP. Nobody wants a neutered government mobile.
Brian Deese according to Wikipedia: Brian Deese works at the National Economic Council and is special assistant to the president for economic policy. Previously, he served as a member of the Economic Policy Working Group for the Obama-Biden transition.[1] He emerged as "one of the most influential voices" in the Obama Administration relative to the auto industry, and specifically the Chrysler and GM workouts.[2] He has appeared in videos posted on change.gov by the transition team.[3] Before joining the transition team, he was deputy economic policy director for the 2008 Barack Obama presidential campaign[4] and, before that, for Gene Sperling in the 2008 Clinton campaign.[2] He graduated from Middlebury College in 2000 with a degree in Political Science[5] and is now on leave from Yale Law School.[6] Previously, he was a senior policy analyst for economic policy at the Center for American Progress.[7] Brian also worked as a research assistant at the Center for Global Development[8], hired by founder Nancy Birdsall, according to The New York Times,[2], where he co-authored the book Delivering on Debt Relief.

So as you can see we are in good hands. LOL! Who ARE these people? This is the best line of his description: He emerged as "one of the most influential voices" in the Obama Administration relative to the auto industry, and specifically the Chrysler and GM workouts. Really? Why? Maybe he drives a Chrysler.

Since I own GM now I would like to have someone in charge who actually knows a thing or two about the industry. I need to call the Chairman of the Board: Obama.
this is nice. I hope saturn can also revive some of their saturn car parts in order for them to build their own electric vehicle. But i guess this one is impossible.