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Everything posted here, and more random thoughts, are also posted at my web site: http://kepkanation.com.

JUNE 19, 2009 9:31PM

The Obama DOJ: Incompetent or Secretly Brilliant?

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Cheney and Biden at the InaugurationSometimes, I fall into scary left-wing conspiracy mode and start to think... well, I start to think that the Obama administration, in some ways, wants to fail.  Take this latest Justice Department filing.  Arguing before a judge that Dick Cheney's testimony before the FBI in the Valerie Plame case should remain sealed, Jeffrey Smith apparently said, "I don't want a future vice president to say, 'I'm not going to cooperate with you because I don't want to be fodder for 'The Daily Show.'"

Jason Linkins (and thanks, Glenn Farrington, for the link) at HuffPo already has a nice, short takedown of the ridiculousness of using this as an argument for not releasing records:

I hardly think that citing the need to shield public figures from satire as a justification for denying this request has got the public's interests properly balanced. But I also have a question for the DOJ: Uhm...have you met our last two vice presidents? Joe "OMGZ EVACUATE THE TRAINZ IT'S THE PIG FLU!" Biden and Dick "I thirst for a consomme of infant tears" Cheney? By comparison, I think future vice-presidents have a better than even shot at avoiding comic ridicule without the intervention of federal courts.

I have, in fact, met one of our two last vice presidents, who was as gaffy and daffy as he seems (and charming, and knowledgable, all that, too), and I have to say -- I cannot believe that the White House and the Department of Justice aren't aware of the absolute absurdity of this argument.  We can't release what Cheney said because it might be used against him in a court of mockery?  It might be used against him in a campaign?  Quick, name an event which isn't fodder for the campaign machine, when put in the right (read: Stephen Colbert's) hands? 

This leads me to believe one of three things:
  1. Everyone in the Obama DOJ is an idiot.
  2. Everyone in the Obama DOJ is hoping to land a role on "The Daily Show With Jon Stewart: Irony Beach."
  3. Everyone in the Obama DOJ is looking for the easiest possible way to make the Courts decide that the records must be released.
To expand on number three: Say you're Barack Obama.  Say you believe in your heart that it would be better for everyone if Dick Cheney's testimony were released -- say you even believe that the power of the executive to shield its goings-on from public view should be reduced.  But say that you also know giving up the power isn't enough, because there's nothing to say that the next guy won't just grab it back up.  And say that you're already unpopular with a particularly vocal group of Republicans who have easy access to every possible cable channel on which to shout, "Hey!  Barack Obama released classified material just to make the GOP look bad!  This is politically motivated character assassination that HURTS AMERICA!!"  So you can't pursue legislation to reduce your own power (and you may, Constitutional Law prof that you used to be, have some trouble with the idea of Congress imposing limits on presidential authority).

What's left is to go to Court -- and lose. 

Politically, number three is a gold mine for Obama: Cheney's old statements get released because the Courts -- still for whatever reason lauded as apolitical -- say they have to be, which makes his hands look pretty clean if the GOP wants to launch a This Is Just Political Shenanigans! tour of cable news.

But it requires a huge leap of faith to believe in the quiet, hidden brilliance of the Obama DOJ.  I feel a little like I'm teetering into Conspiracy Land for suggesting it, but... what else is the Internet for?

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Just wanted to be first on a Saturn post. Will read now:)
I'm not sure what I think of this but if I had ever thought that this was the "change that we could believe in," I would not have been excited about the election.
Ha! Hi, Roger. You win.

I don't know that I totally believe it either -- but it does, in some cases, make sense, and would be a better outcome and assurance of permanent reduction in executive power than otherwise possible.
Okay, maybe I'm just trying to be a Pollyanna (for the first time ever) but I share your hope that it is a ploy on the part of Obama's people to get to an end, without fingerprints on the means.
I hope you are right.
OMG - you are so feckin brilliant!!!

I will sleep better at night hoping door #3 holds up. It's a reach, admittedly, but I do like it.
Another thought - could it be that the DOJ Keystone Kops (on this & on DOMA) are holdovers from a long tenure at the Bush administration & the higher-ups are just asleep at the wheel (or focused on other things, like nuclear NKorea & the potential powder-keg that is Iran)?

I don't know enough about political v career appointments at DOJ and how that works...

also guessing this is not the same Jeffrey Smith that worked/(s) for the Washington Post (& FTR...is not my husband of the same name)
So, we've reached a point at which presenting total absurdity in courts of law, in order to lose, is considered, "Secretely brilliant"?

I think we've already lost.

But, Saturn, you're a winner in my book.


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I will certainly need a coffee person. Perhaps many coffee people, as a) I drink a lot of it and b) I still make terrible, terrible coffee.

LPS: I'm pretty sure it's a different Jeffrey Smith, and glad to help you sleep a little sounder by virtue of my wacky theories. Hee hee!

Rick: Yeah, it does seem ominous if it's come to this. But I tell myself: sometimes the path of least resistance leads through the Forest of Crazy.
Heh, Saturn …, been through the forest of crazy more than once and found it entertaining, but can’t say I found any answers there; maybe a few new questions, though.
Answer: 3. I've raised the exact same theory.
http://open.salon.com/blog/rickyb/2009/05/23/barack_obama_the_batman_boomerang_theory_and_the_whu
Or scenario 4, Obama protects the Bush administration at every turn because they are working for the same people.
I hope your reading of the courts is true. After 2000, I'm not so sure.
I also believe that Obama knows the law better than anyone we have ever had in office. I also beleive he knows what to do to get things done, eventually and this is why there is frustration sometimes. I believe in the long run, two terms hopefully, we will see the changes that he is implementing and one of those actions will be the investigation and possible prosecution of the previous administration, or, I'm wrong.
Inevitable how things just seem to come to pass. Door no.3 might just be synopsis that absorbs more than able. Miscalculation and Dick Cheney go hand in hand. Rapid advancement of change in DC is an oxymoron. Nice post Saturn. O/E
Micah - better than anyone? Doubt it. You're forgetting Taft. Top 5, most probably. (just a nitpick there).
Saturn:

How about this scenario? Well-known and widely read OS blogger Saturn Smith points out the absurdity of the Obama DOJ's filings in the face of Obama's campaign pledges for transparency and rectification by offering up a fantastic secret and silly scheme to explain this absurdity, thereby pointing out through parody the fact that Obama isn't doing what so many expected him to do?

I'd say it's equally possible that Obama's doing #3 as that you don't really mean any of your post.

The problem here, of course, is that Obama's DOJ's filings have all been of the kind that you're focusing on here. On every single issue before the court, his DOJ's been shielding the Bush White House - on state secrets, on torture, on indefinite detention, on rendition, etc., etc., and in fact, they have gone even further than Bush and Cheney dared: asserting "sovereign immunity," proposing "prolonged detention" for individuals who they won't or can't prosecute on the grounds that these individuals might do something, not what they have done.

If you want to (secretly) release the records of what Cheney and Bush have done, you don't say to the Senate, as Obama and Rahm Emanuel did on Wednesday, that they will issue an executive order to block the torture photos' release if Congress doesn't pass a bill to do the same.

If you want the torturers to be held to account, you don't say on the record that it's a time for "reflection, not retribution."

You don't falsely claim that torture was the actions of a "small number of people" and laud the motives of those who did the torturing and spying.

You don't retain rendition for your own administration and the right to use torture on those who you deem "high value detainees."

You don't block any of the hundreds (600 now, perhaps twice that in the future because you're doubling Bagram's size) being held at Bagram from habeas corpus rights.

You don't block lawsuits by detainees who were tortured under Bush by asking that the court reverse its earlier ruling that allowed such suits to proceed. You let those lawsuits proceed.

If Obama and his DOJ secretly wanted the courts to do what they refuse themselves refuse to do, then they would have let the Mohamed, et al v. Jeppensen, et al. case proceed and let the court do what they won't. That case demonstrates by itself, forget the rest of the evidence, that your scenario 3 is false. I urge folks to read my post on that, or to read the ACLU's report on it.
I'm with Jimgalt and Dennis Loo on this one.

The term "conspiracy theorist" comes from post Warren Report investigations into the Kennedy assassination - and what do you know? The Report said "Lone nut, magic bullet" and the CTs said ""grassy knoll." Guess who really made more sense and who is now borne out by released information?

I expect Obama to deliver on certain social programs, but so far my hopes are not high on the "transparency" thing.
It's a fun theory. Kind of like the theory that Nancy Pelosi was trying to trigger an investigation into her knowledge of torture just to get an investigation into it going.
Dennis - I hear what you're saying re: falsification. However, the judiciary isn't really proved supreme if you go along with it or fail to challenge it. If the idea is that the judiciary can force the executive, then the executive has to resist.
Ricky: I'm sorry. I don't follow you. Are you saying that the Executive branch has to resist what the Judiciary is doing otherwise it's losing its prerogatives? According to the Constitution, which these public officials claim to uphold (but as Howard Zinn has pointed out, in actual practice they haven't historically), the three branches of government are co-equal in power.

The notion that the Exec has to resist the Judicial is the line of the "unitary executive" doctrine proponents like the Federalist Society (Sam Alito, Antonin Scalia, John Yoo, et al).

According to Saturn's fanciful scenario 3, the Obama DOJ is hoping that the Court will do what the WH/DOJ are unwilling to do openly. That makes the question of the judicial role one in which the White House is hoping that the Court will do something. But, then, as I've argued, the WH and DOJ are doing no such thing, otherwise they'd have let Mohamed, et al v. Jeppensen, et al go forward.
#1 Everyone in the Obama DOJ is an idiot.

In the meantime, can we stop this "hail and question" BS with N. Korea and stop the shipment to their country before they Nuke Hawaii?! I know I'm not important, but I'm jest saying....

We actually have a defense of our country that is all Defense. We wait for them to build a nuclear missile and hope against hope our missile defense system works when they launch it at us. What kind of suicidal idiots behave like that?!
Eh, Dennis, I don't mean to extend this to every case currently being argued, or even to posit it that seriously, as you've guessed. It's more of a thinking-out-loud experiment. But I appreciate the in depth reply and continued posting that you do on the topic.
Dennis - no. Indeed, what you said is what the assholes (yoo, addington et al) are saying. My theory goes like this: If Obama simply stops doing what Bush did on the "unitary executive" front, it becomes a mere matter of policy. This president will do it this way, the other president will do it that way, and both are within the realm of...well, acceptable by virtue of it becoming the new reality.

However, if he "insists" but get slapped down by the courts, this *proves* the law supreme. Law didn't win because the president was nice enough not to put up a fight - the matter was contested and decided.

I expect that this is to be accomplished both by
1) greatly reducing the amount of behind-the-scenes pressure on serving judges regarding these cases, leaving only some "public exhortations" (i.e. leaving stuff like "White house in its brief said the court should let it do what it wants" but not applying massive pressure and threats of retaliation and etc behind the scenes, like the Bushies did when they went to court)

2) by choice of judicial appointments.

See what I'm saying?

I think, btw, we're beginning to see this easing of pressure on the bench through some of the recent decisions, like Padilla vs. Yoo.
Deborah - The kind of suicidal idiots that prefer uncertain destruction to certain destruction. If we openly attack NK before we work it out with China, there WILL be WW3. It's infuriating, but it's our current reality.

If this were 1962, would you be screaming "nuke Cuba"? Or even just "invade Cuba"? This is kinda like that, only worse, cause the damn villains currently running the Middle Kingdom can play dumb and say "it's not us, it's nutjob over here... but this is still too close to me for you to be flexing on him".