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Saturn Smith

Saturn Smith
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Everything posted here, and more random thoughts, are also posted at my web site: http://kepkanation.com.

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JUNE 24, 2009 3:48PM

Dear GOP: You are not teenagers. This is not high school.

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So, South Carolina's Governor Mark Sanford had an affair.  With a woman in Argentina.  An affair that was apparently so all-consuming he felt the need to visit said Argentine in person, leaving his state government in a bit of limbo.  He felt the need to come clean about the affair after multiple questions about his whereabouts, his safety, and sure, his sanity came up in the news (mad_typist has a great timeline) -- essentially, he 'fessed up because he was about to be caught.

And Senator John Ensign of Nevada had an affair.  With one of his campaign staffers.  While her husband worked in his office.  And he may have paid the woman more while they were an item.  And he may have paid her son.  He felt the need to come clean about the affair after the husband and/or the wife decided this was a story worth telling -- so, again, he decided to speak up because he was about to be caught.

Now, back in the unromantic world of politics, Senator John McCain and Senator Lindsey Graham, two of my favorites, have been jumping up and down on Twitter and the Sunday morning shows, basically calling President Obama a chicken for not taking a harder stance over Iran.  McCain would like to see military options.  Obama would like to tread carefully.  And that's trying the bejesus out of McCain's legendary miniscule patience.

WTF, Republicans?  When did we go back to high school?  Just because your official photos look like high school yearbook shots doesn't mean you're actually 17 again.


   
 
See, when you're seventeen and your entire existence is ruled by hormones, well, then I'd believe a guy might get up in the middle of class and walk out of school to go make out with the cheerleader from Argentine High.  In high school, it may not be OK to try and hide from your pal that you've been hooking up with his girl on the sly, and it's certainly a bit boneheaded to try and pay her off with candy and flowers to keep it quiet -- but those kind of act-first, think-later situations are the hallmark of a not completely developed brain.  And yes, it's certainly a hallmark of high school behavior to try and egg your enemy into taking on a fight he can't win, even if the result might be that everyone in school gets an international detention for it. 

But now, you're in government, not high school.  In these situations, there's no principal to save you.  What if John Ensign had been blackmailed, and had then had to turn to political supporters for even more money?  What if that had had an effect on his voting and thinking or, worse, his leadership in the party?  What if an emergency had come up in Mark Sanford's state while he was gone, and the crucial hours spent figuring out exactly who was in charge had made all the difference between saving lives and seeing citizens perish?  What if Barack Obama wasn't cool-hand Luke, and answered McCain's taunting by taking to the airwaves to answer him head-on, and in so doing made a volatile situation even worse?

In high school, the worst consequence was usually detention, maybe suspension, maybe a long, ugly talk from your parents.  Maybe they'd take your car away.  It was barely worth playing the what-if game.  Once you're a grown-up, actions have serious consequences -- all the more serious when you're an elected official.  People rely on you.

You need to think with your brains, guys.  Your grown-up, in-your-skull brains.

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Right, guys, keep yr peckers in yr pants for once.
Nobody relies on Senators, thank God. They are notoriously unreliable. Maybe some people rely on Governors, but aren't their lapses the only real excuse for having full-time Lt. Governors?

All of these affairs are a riot though. This is why, when you picture one of these guys on a pedestal, you should be picturing them banging their secretary, or admin. asst., if you prefer contemporary job titles.
Yikes, there's an image I can do without, Neilpaul, sensible though it might be.
What a perfect analogy. (root of analogy-anal)
"but those kind of act-first, think-later situations are the hallmark of a not completely developed brain"

Awesome line. Yes and now I understand my dislike of politicians even better. I don't like teenagers- didn't like them even when I was one of them. Teenagers are scary people.
Righteous, Saturn. Just Righteous.
Man, how I wish this could be a page-1 NYTimes editorial.
Loony tunes, the lot of them. Egomaniacal to boot. Great post.
At least it was with an adult woman. They're making progress.
I do not agree that it was right what they did, but they are human and it is nice to know that these politicians are feeling a real passion and compelled to act on it.
Don't you just love Fox News showing a pic of Sanford and calling him a Democrat? How many times have they done that?
btw, congrats on a byline under the main story at RegularSalon above the fold front page. w00t!
Every time I think the Republicans can't get any more stupid, they prove me wrong.

Well, if there's one good thing to come out of this, we have a new euphemism for cheating on your wife: "hiking the Appalachian."

"Hold my calls, I'll be hiking the Appalachian for the next two hours."
Gawd! I am SO faithfully boring!

http://open.salon.com/blog/bobbyg/2009/06/16/to_my_wife

I gotta say, my schadenfreude runneth over today. These preening GOP Family Values "pricks." It's actually pretty simple, dudes, "You gain the strength of the temptation you avoid." (Thomas Szasz)
Excellent post. Anyone else think Ensign looks like J Peterman from Seinfeld? Anyways I put this up on Reddit for you.
Cranky, OS's lpsrocks has already submitted "hiking in Appalachia" to the Urban Dictionary.
Excellent. Make sure the President sees this one, will ya?

Cooler heads prevailing is the order of the day. But will it be followed?

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sidenote: I listened to a fascinating interview with Karim Sadjadpour about Iran on Fresh Air yesterday:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?
storyId=105802915&ft=1&f=13

that posits the following conundrum:

If Bush were still in power, there probably wouldn't be the protests in the streets of Iran that there are now; if Bush were in power, the opposition party leader, Hossein Mousavi, wouldn't likely be setting himself up as a martyr as he is now. Sadjadpour believes that those who are unhappy with (to put it mildly) with the administration [ and the whole Supreme Leader thingy ] in Iran wouldn't have felt 'free' to publicly express that, in any way. In Iran. With Bush in power.

Also, see today's article about Robert Wright's examination of "god", particularly:

"My basic premise is that when a religious group sees itself as having something to gain through peaceful interaction with another group of people, including a different religion, it will find a basis for tolerance in its scriptures and religion. When groups see each other as being in a non-zero sum relationship -- there's a possibility of a win-win outcome if they play their cards right, or a lose-lose outcome if they don't -- then they tend to warm up to one another. By contrast, if people see themselves in a zero-sum relationship with another group of people -- they can only win if the other group loses -- that brings out the intolerance and the dark side of religion."

How are all these references of mine relevant to what you've posted?

They are not in high school. They are entrusted with ensuring the safety and well-being of their constituents. They're also not on the battlefield in The Hundred Years War, or fighting Byzantine skirmishes. So why is it they behave as if they were?

"Man has truly not evolved since he invented fire." My 80-year-old mother used to cluck that at odd times in my youth, 30-, 40-some years ago.

I used to roll my eyes.
oops, I didn't submit it (though thanks for the plug, barry) I just re-Tweeted it. I do find it all just a wee bit hilarious.

And, sadly, I found out that the Lieutenant Gov of SC is NOT, in fact, Andre Braugher of Homicide: Life on the Street, but some other bland & clueless dude. Perhaps, though, we could pretend we're in high school and start a rumor to that effect.
dude! and they're always saying it's all about principles! they're hung up on fucking homophones!
Maybe John McCain is right and America really is the world's moral authority. That would explain a lot.
It's that Bravo NYC Prep show. They just can't turn away from it.
I wouldn't have believed it could happen, but Bobby Jindall is actually starting to look good! I need to lie down.

Makes you long for the Larry Craig days.
The hubris of the "family values party" seems never ending.
Life is high school. And even back then I suspected the big talkers and student council types to be hypocrites. I'll take the guys on the clean up committee, thank you very much.
I know you are but what am I? (No backsies.)
Yes, you've gotta love the party of "FAMILY VALUES", too bad those values only apply to other people not themselves! And they still believe they are relevant because? LOL!
Great Post.

McCain really is senile if he thinks this crap is going to get him back any of the dignity he lost during the campaign.
Sanford's stupidity is breath taking and I couldn't care less about the other guy.

@ aphrabehn,
Honey, it aint no secret. I'm in Misissippi and we can see that from here.
You keep your peter out of the payroll!! I missed that he had an affair... too funny. I have known very few men who have gained power and position who have not had an affair. I read somewhere that when men finally "get it" they are allowed to come back as a woman. McCain should be very interesting as a female!
I think I feel another headache coming on.
I could tolerate this behavior better if they weren't so damned self-righteous about who other people get to sleep with or marry
"Your grown-up, in-your-skull brains."

Right... not with their "other" brains. LOLOLOLL....
The HS analogy is certainly apt, my interstellar demi-goddess, but I would like to reiterate something I tried to point out on another post that addressed this topic in a less nuanced way:

Sexual misbehavior is an indicator for poor judgment and weak self-control. However it's no more - or less - blameworthy in the public servant than it is in the athlete or the entertainer.

The difference, of course, lies in the impact public servants can have on the economy, the environment and the general welfare. Thus, their policies and their official acts ought to be tightly scrutinized in the light of their sexual misbehavior, but a randy nature and the inability to control - or hide - it is not prima facie evidence of unfitness for office.

In my book, guys like McCain and Graham are poor choices for public policy makers for reasons that have nothing to do with who they take to bed.
Hear No Evil, Speak No Evil, See No Evil. Yea Right.
Stepford Freaks.
Did you hear about the new brand of Republican Pants? Liar Liar Pants on Fire!!
Strange things happen to men when they have affairs. Another one bites the dust. But somehow I keep thinking that this too is all an evil plot. To set up the Saviour...just haven't figured out who that will be exactly. Where's Michael Steele lately? Bout time for him to come out and say something dumb!
Politicians have always had certain... perks.
The question is one of concealment and semi-self-control, not if.
They are ridiculous at this point, which is good news, because it means that they are about to get replaced. But well-written as usual.
Besides, it is the Late American Republic, and one should have a sense of humor about these things. :)
Ah, the Family Values party at work, again.

But seriously, there's no good spin on this for a Republican from SC, right? He missed Father's Day!
Wow, I posted, then took my car in for service, and... now I'm overwhelmed.

Bbd, I hadn't caught the Fox thing, but heh, I'm not surprised. And thanks!

Lonnie, I certainly didn't mean to imply anything about McCain or Graham having affairs, just simply that their public actions seem to be ruled by illogical forces -- like high schoolish hormones. And I agree with you that it's not per se the affairs of the others that's the big deal, but how those affairs have an effect on their official actions.
Ya know, I think I had more self-control at 17, honestly. Maybe it's the enforced sexual repression caused by their ridiculously-draconian social mores? Just a thought.
Man, how I wish this could be a page-1 NYTimes editorial. David Decker

I predict... remember you read it here first... that some day we will be reading Ms. Smith on the op-ed pages of the Times, that is, if the Times still exists then.
And that wife of his knew something. Her statements were so off the wall you could smell the strange.
Well, you can't expect his wife to come out and say, "My husband is with some strange"....now really????
Heh. I think she knew enough, and knew enough about politics, to hang him out a little with her "I don't know" statements.

Aw, KTM, and David, thanks.
I can guarantee you that if McCain had been elected, he would be doing almost the exact same thing that Obama is doing right now with regard to Iran. All he is doing now is being a demagogue, and he knows better and should be ashamed. Of course, as you point out, he is simply channeling his inner teenager, something he has been wont to do his entire political career ("Bomb bomb bomb; bomb bomb Iran...")
Sexual indiscretion happens to be universal and much more common with those in positions of power. The real admonishment here should be to the practice of invasive, "gotcha" journalism justified whenever it is challenged by pointing to Watergate.

Who these people diddle doesn't have a thing to do with running the country.

And yes, for those wishing to partisan cheap shot, I felt this way when Clinton was being hounded. Lying about a hummer does not rise to the level of a high crime or a misdemeanor.
Actually, I thought about it when I realized he actually left the country, which I did not know; he was AWOL, a dereliction of duty as commander of the South Carolina Guard, and should be removed from office immediately.
"I don't recall"...is more like it...

You know when I was dippin' my dilly bar in my frosty I just couldn't remember and my french fries was mixed up with my chick filet and then all of a sudden...oh back to my husband...is that who you were talking about??? Huh!

We Parisians tend to become sidetracked too!
I said this on madtypist's post.
It isn't the affair or the lying, it's the fact that he thought his nonsensical behavior would go unnoticed.
Has has either suffered a real mental lapse (which was no doubt partly brought on by realizing his selfish and transparent grandstanding with the stimulus money back fired, or he self sabotaged to end his marriage and career.
Either way, whoa.
I kinda feel bad for all the high schoolers being slammed...
So funny, so stupid. Not that the other political party has bragging rights in the virtue department but the whole "family values" stance appropriated by GOP politicians is wearing a little thin. I'm past hoping that mostly middle-aged men with a modicum of power won't use it to sample the various trappings of said power, but to think they won't be caught and to attempt to dissemble as they do...I mean, does no one remember Gary Hart? And um, now everyone has Twitter for heaven's sake.
Way to throw 'em down!! I've commented on several posts that I think detox is involved. Could be wrong, but I bet he heads there quickly. I can hear the defense now "I've been under a lot of strain lately and the sedatives I've been taking..." I mean, look at this guy. Does he look like he just spent a fun long weekend?
I enjoyed your post.
Well, let's hope this puts to bed (sorry, couldn't resist) all this hypocritical talk about "family values" from the party of the worst part.
The senate seems more and more to be an insular lil' boys club that trades privilege for access and vice versa. I'm actually less concerned with the hypocrisy of the "morals brigade" and their multiple affairs than the shocking knee-jerk obstructionism that's become their m.o. since Obama's election. The grandstanding about Sotomayor and now Iran is truly embarrassing and I am convinced that they, knowing full-well that having sold out the supposed principles they once stood for, the only thing left is to make a mockery of our system of government and the notion of representative democracy itself . They are boys caught with their pants down and their hands in the cookie jar with their other hand on the bible swearing allegiance to God and country. They have no shame.
I'm with you on this. I called it when the news first broke, only I guessed he was with a man.
Stanford’s first impulse was to blame it all on “the stress caused by the Democrat stimulus package”. It was Obama’s fault!

What a concept; the Democrats provided the stimulus; the courts made him accept it – the poor dear just went along with it - all the way to Argentina. So on final analysis: “the devil made him do it!” damned Democrats!
People from both parties have "strayed from the porch" . . .it happens.

Its stupid, but I find if odd that we try to hold our politicians to a higher standard, yet we (the public) cannot even meet that same standard. I hope the media lets this go and allows Sanford and his family to deal with this in private.
One more example as to why we should thank god we have the Defense of Marriage Act in place! What a relief! Marriage is being so well defended by these guys.
I'll worry about this stuff when Ted Kennedy and Bill Clinton are the targets of serious outrage from democrats.

And don't give me this "family values" crap. Wrong is wrong.
"... those kind of act-first, think-later situations are the hallmark of a not completely developed brain."

Got it in one.
I got into an argument over on the Cringely blog a few days ago. The issue was teen texting. I pointed out that empty headed kids turn into empty headed voters. Started with Reagan getting elected by former and current potheads. So, now the Refascists prove once again that they are the ones who can't keep it in their pants. I wonder how they will spin this??? Are there enough Appalachian knuckleheads to elect a dog catcher??

Can we go to the Creation Museum to see the saddled up dinosaurs?? I love the truth.
Saturn, here's the MM screencap of Faux News showing that they nabbed another Democrat in flagrante delicto: via Kerry/Manjoo on Twitter: http://mediamatters.org/blog/200906240026
you make a good point about the possibility of blackmail.
Sometimes disasters come in threes.
Ensign, Sanford and...who's next?
Which GOP Moral Leader goes down with these two?

Can't be Boehner...that would be too obvious.
...but in all fairness, Democrats don't seem to be immune to this sort of thing...Clinton, Edwards, etc.

Politics (starting with student government) tends to attract the egocentric and power hungry who are prone to self-deception and the belief that they are above reproach. And these are the qualities of the cheater-husband, regardless of whether they be Democrats or Republicans.
Thanks, bbd!

Hmm, in threes, you say? And they were all 2012 hopefuls... Here's betting if any of the others have girlfriends (or boyfriends), those folks are going to get some very delicate "it's over forever" calls this weekend.
Oh yes, I completely believe this is an equal-opportunity problem. This is just the bad week/month for the GOP. The Dems will again suffer our fools soon, too.
If your request that they "grow up" is sincere, it might be helpful to write in adult language, as opposed to the style high schoolers themselves use.
Vote Republican. It's better than thinking.
Saturn: I posted a link to this excellent piece on Facebook and got this comment. Just passing it along:

Dorinda Fox
Dorinda Fox at 4:35pm June 24
Your post are consistently excellent and over the past months you have made politics understandable to me. If life is fair and worthy are rewarded you will be paid to write about these subjects soon.
Love this. Perfect analogy. More proof that someone should hire you as a political columnist. You're always spot-on!
Excellent, Saturn. And Amen. I'm SO glad John McCain isn't the Prez, between Iran and North Korea.

The incident does have some humor in it; when Sanford goes for a "hike," he doesn't fool around, does he? Oops, okay, yes he does "fool around" which is the crux of his problem. Who knew he meant the Argentinian end of the Appalachian Trail?
Wow, thanks, Julie. That's a very kind note.

Shiral -- yeah, it seems it's a much longer hike than one could've guessed. I had no idea you could hike there from SC.
I don't really have a problem with McCain saying that Obama should take a harder line on Iran. Problem is, what does he propose we do? We have no diplomatic relations with them, so all we can do is condemn their actions. Short of rolling the tanks in from Iraq, that's all we can do.

On the other hand, I have a problem with hypocrites. Larry Craig, David Vitter, Mark Sanford, and all the others who run on a platform of "moral values" or "family values" need to be smacked down, and smacked down hard.

That is why I am supporting Stormy Daniels in her race against Vitter.

Hey, we know that Daniels will screw people. But unlike Vitter, when she does it, people get some satisfaction.
It's just occured to me that the people who should REALLY want to punch Sanford / Ensign in their throats (besides their families) are the rest of their Staff who will almost certainly lose their jobs when their guy gets kicked out of office. They hitched their carts to the wrong horses, and some even had to lie for their guy, too!
If I heard him say one more time, "Jenni and the boys"...Forrest Gump style....oh brother!
The emails Olbermann read this evening were rather personal. He did not send those on a state account did he?
I for one can't be very judgemental with their actions. I am no saint, and have done way too many things in my life that I wont hold up to St Peter and say "How 'bout this one?" But what gets me is the hypocricy that precedes so many of these actions? GNewt Gingirch? John McCain? George Bush (ok that ones not sexual, that one has to do with exactly what Guard Unit were you fighting with?) Ensign? Allen? The list goes on. Falwell at 400lbs? Anyone ask about "Gluttony?" Haggard? Vitter? I would run out of examples before I run out of space here.
However, I sure there are plenty of Dems with their pants at their knees. So it all comes back to who is preaching morality and who is getting caught being "immoral."
Here's the big one, the one that still affects us today in how our government operates - can you say J EDGAR HOOVER?
I am tired of the hypocricy that masquarades as moral arbitration passed down as a litmus test for what makes a "good American."
My God how we have lost our way in this country. There are people begging for freedom halfway around the world and some are literally giveing their lives for it and America is talking about an affair. Sanford should step down or be removed and I don't condone what he did but have we lost our minds? This is what happens when you live in a celebrity culture. Shameful.
Saturn

"McCain would like to see military options. Obama would like to tread carefully. And that's trying the bejesus out of McCain's legendary miniscule patience"

I saw your comment and it reminded me of an article in Reason Magazine during the campaign and am so damned grateful he failed in his bid for office. So goddamned grateful.

http://www.reason.com/news/show/118937.html
Boomer Bob, me too. Oh my gosh me too. Not only that McCain isn't president right now, but that Sarah Palin is not fixing her non-blinky eyes at Ahmadinejad.

But who knows, maybe she's watching Kim Jong Il from Alaska through a telescope, or something.

I could ask, "if Ahmedinejad were our ally (and we've had some doozies), what do you bet the Iranian election protesters would be 'rabble' or 'a mob' rather than brave people fighting for democracy, right now?" Especially since the neocons currently fervent in their support of Iranian "reform" were enthusiastically singing "bomb, bomb, bomb Iran" at about this time last year?

But of course, it would be cynical of me to question Neocon compassion, wouldn't it?
Trust Sheriff Smith to make this a GOP thing. And also knot two no the difference between "your" and you're."
Wonderful post. I am sorry I didn't get to it sooner.
I couldn't say anything but wonderful so I wrote the rest in my blog, an "Open Letter to Saturn". http://www.open.salon.com/blog/pierre_angiel/2009/06/25/open_letter_to_saturn
I'm not buying that he had an affair with a woman in Argentina. It's not adding up, given his vague, ineffectual affect. Something else went on, I'm sure.

It's not that hard to get people to lie for a politician with power.
tre-"Will someone please explain to him the definition of the word, "hypocrite" and how it applies and why it's relevant?" So saying that I don't condone what he did and he should be removed or resign wasn't enough? I find it interesting that a liberal democrat can actually say the word hypocrite with a straight face. Please.
GordonO, I appreciate the proofreading, but I can't find the instance you're talking about. Where's the mix up?