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JULY 22, 2009 4:57AM

Is Jon Stewart Really the New Walter Cronkite?

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I love Jon Stewart as much as the next cable-news junkie blog-a-holic.  I re-watch and even embed clips of his show regularly; I'm prone to sending out links to his opening segment; and when I'm next in New York, I really hope to attend a taping.  I am, in other words, a big fan.  But this is a little silly:

graph from Time

 Forty-four percent of respondents to a recent Time magazine online poll called Jon Stewart America's most trusted newscaster, when put up against Katie Couric (7), Charlie Gibson (19), and Brian Williams (29).  All the green states went for Stewart in the above map.  It is, thank goodness, an unscientific poll, so maybe those numbers don't accurately represent a sample of informed news-watchers in America.

Before anyone starts sending me "but but but!" hate mail, I'll clarify.  I'm happy with "The Daily Show" being a source, even the main source, of news for many people, because I assume that nearly everyone who claims it's their main source would otherwise get news from nowhere, or from Yahoo! headlines or Facebook updates.  What's annoying is that, in seeking a successor to Walter Cronkite, Time included Jon Stewart in the question at all.

Let me point out the elephant in the room: Jon Stewart isn't a newscaster.  You know who'd be the first to tell you that?  Jon Stewart.  While he does broadcast stories that are often more critical -- and thus, more accurate -- than what many other stations broadcast, his goal is not the same as a standard news program.  Jon Stewart succeeds if you laugh; Katie Couric succeeds if you know something you didn't know when you turned on the TV.  This goal of information is inherent in identifying yourself as a journalist or newscaster; it is part of the legacy of Walter Cronkite. 

Of course, all four of these anchors are seeking the same thing: ratings.  They want you to tune in not just tonight, but tomorrow night and every night for the rest of your TV-watching life.  (Walter Cronkite wanted that, too).  As such, there's more entertainment and titilation being mixed into news all the time.

I think that's wrong-headed.  Walter Cronkite dominates our memories as a newscaster because he was trusted.  That's why people tuned in night after night -- they trusted Cronkite to tell them how it was.  None of these four anchors does that effectively.  Stewart has a great excuse: He's not trying to be the most trusted name in news, just the most reliable name in topical comedy.  The others are chasing Cronkite's legacy, but they're often running in precisely the wrong direction.

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I love Jon Stewart, too. Do you think he has changed his level of satire over the years as he has realized many people use him as their prime news source? Many of his interviews seem to be very serious with shots of humor vs. the other way around.
Of course I think you're right. But it's easy to see why Time did that. There's a reason why we watch Stewart so religiously, and it's not just for a laugh. It's unfair to ask if he's the most trusted. But in a lot of ways he is one of the most insightful media figures. And it doesn't feel exactly right to leave him out of the question just because he's a comedian. I also think it's interesting who's not in there. Nobody from Fox? Or did they just not get enough per centage points to even rate?
Is there an important sociological point here though about changing public perceptions of news? I know that mid sized B, an avid leaner and very informed, would never watch a network newscast. If its not on The daily show or the colbert report, it better be in his RSS feed...the anchors are becoming irrelevant as well as incompetent.
Using a comedian for a major source of news only shows the ignorance of the American electorate. You want funny, watch Stewart, Colbert or any other comedian. Then find some good sources of news and do your research.
I see Stewart and Colbert as the most trusted names in social critique, not as news sources in and of themselves.
I do depend on Jon Stewart for needed perspective. For instance, watching the confirmation hearings, I might have suspected Graham was pontificating, but I would have never thought to compare his current performance with news clips from the last confirmation hearings. Having the hypocrisy served up this way - I understand much better what's going on in the Senate chambers.

But I'm also wishing for a trusted, literate, informed, unbiased voice. I really believe there would be a market for tabloid-free news (but maybe it would just be me watching!).
Saturn – Jon may not be a newscaster journalist, but he does seem to look at the big picture when he reports the news. In this day & age of “Jon & Kate”, “The Bachelor/ette”, Amy Winehouse in rehab or Dr. Phil helps Britney being the news people follow – it takes a humorist like Jon Stewart to get the attention of our brain-dead ‘fan driven’ world.

Is he the must trusted man in the world? No, but he is about the only one with his head out of his___ ! (I’m sure everyone can fill in that blank)

Thanks for bring this Poll to our attention. At least it will get everyone thinking about the news media and their role in today’s culture or the lack of them having a role.

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Last year, the NY Times ran an article asking: is Jon Stewart the most trusted man in America? The assumption that he might be revolves around the belief that he has more freedom than news broadcasters these days. While it's good to argue that Stewart isn't and never was a newscaster (and it should be noted that he is the first to insist his primary purpose is to entertain), it might be worth questioning the ordination of anyone as "most trusted man in America" whether his name is Cronkite or Stewart.
I don't know that I buy that many of Stewart's viewers watch his show as a sole source of news. It seems to me that to understand the humor on The Daily Show, one needs to come in with an awareness of current events and the national mood. Otherwise, it's not that funny.

And no, he's not a newscaster by the traditional definition of the word. On the other hand, who really is? It feels like traditional journalism has failed us, in terms of their responsibility to report the news free of bias and agenda, that "trust" in this case means "willingness to be critical, but fair-minded" and you can't really deny that Stewart fits that definition as well as any news source on TV right now.
Thank you, Saturn. I've been trying to tell people this about Mr. Stewart for years.
I do think there are a few good reasons Jon Stewart IS so trusted compared to other journalists:

1. he is one of very few sources who even bothers to debunk the talking points
2. he does not play favorites - he takes shots across the board at people in all political parties
3. he backs up his humor with facts, including calling folks on the carpet for contradicting previous statements

Compare him, for example, to Meet the Press & David Gregory's having politicos over for tea to spout their propaganda, rather than ask tough questions.

I do happen to think his monologues are much tougher than his interviews, though.
Well, he certainly is influential. I recall when he single-handedly knocked CNN's "Crossfire" off the air, by going on the show and announcing, "You are bad for America."

Too bad the "Crossfire" mentality lives on in every major newscast that treats a story by giving equal, uncritical say to two advocates from opposite political poles duking it out. That's not journalism, it's lazy, cheap titilation, and Stewart nailed it on Crossfire. Too bad he isn't quite powerful enough to put all the major "news" broadcasts off the air or get them to clean up their acts.

Stewart really is a better journalist than the network "teleprompter monkeys" (as Stewart characterized Brian Williams, when he was a guest on The Daily Show the other day).

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Read "Amusing Ourselves to Death" by Neil Postman and you'll understand why Jon Stewart is the most trusted. It's because he admits that entertainment is his goal, while the "serious" news programs don't admit that entertainment is their goal, even though it is. They want people to watch; they don't care what they have to do to get people to watch. If people aren't entertained by the news, they won't watch. I have personally had a local TV news producer tell me, "If it bleeds, it leads." Come on -- we all know it.

Though I wonder about this word "trust" -- I don't trust any news readers, I don't know any of them! How do I know what they're reading off the teleprompter is the truth? Because they sound convincing, I'm supposed to trust them? Reminds me of the old saying: The secret to success is sincerity -- once you can fake that, you've got it made.

People, don't trust any newsreader -- take in what they say, think about it, see if it corroborates with information you've received from other sources, and then make up your mind yourself.
His take on the news is often more honest than those who are purportedly telling the truth. He is the fool in the king's court and can be my Walter Cronkite any day.
Great job on getting this out there so quick, Saturn. I tried to look at the original poll to see if it was "open ended" - in other words ANY purported TV newsperson (ie, Anderson Cooper, Rachel Maddow or Bill O) but couldnt source that. What was interesting was that in every case where someone beat out Stewart, he came in 2nd, with the singular exception of Vermont, where he was 3rd! Pretty impressive for any poll, regardless of how the sampling was done.
Well, it takes a jester to tell truth to the king.
I deeply admire what Stewart is doing. He is in essence a conscience with a sense of humor. I am dismayed at why a simple cross referencing of past and present opinions has not caught up with the major news outlets. After all, it IS a very objective tool if one interested in the truth instead of cheap sensationalism and biased opinions which seem to fill 24/7 news channels.
This is very interesting. I wonder if people were being ironic? Hm. It does seem that people don't trust the news anymore and the Daily Show may be part of that because it has been a source of news show critique. In Cronkite's day there was no analysis of the news. (that I'm aware of) The news was the news. You didn't really talk about how you got the news or newscasters as personalities. Maybe it's also a personality thing. The whole likable factor. Jon Stewart is pretty damn likable. Of course that's another problem we have- obsession with likability above all else.
Mad Typist said it best, that to understand the humor on the Daily Show, one must already have some knowledge of the content featured (in other words, must already get the news from more traditional sources).

Stewart is an entertainer, yet I'd trust him more than any of those other 'news anchors' any day.
I agree. Why include him at all in this weird poll? The poll is moot anyway considering the fracturing of media/news outlets. Perhaps that's why Stewart ranked so high.

The way I see it,
Stewart is the new Twain
And Colbert is our Voltaire
I think most Stewart viewers are like me, they periodically comb the web for the "what's happening" news and by the time Stewart comes on at night they want to laugh/talk about it. Very rarely have I watched a network newscast and heard news that I hadn't read already at some point in the day.
Here's one good reason why Stewart should be on that list: like Walter Cronkite, Jon speaks truth to power even (especially) if "power" doesn't want to hear it. Why do you think the executives at CBS demanded he take mandatory retirement despite his high ratings?

That's something Katie, Brian and Charlie will never do. So why are _they_ on the list?
First off, I'm fairly surprised that 9409 people even looked at Time's question, much less voted. Second, who are the people that both look at Time's website and vote for Stewart (not being snarky here. I'm actually curious.)? Not here or in any alternate reality is Time considered "hip." Others have pointed out Stewart's (and Colbert's) role as the court jester. If it reflects anything, the poll shows that the general public sees the national media as wearing the garments of a courtier. As for why Time included Stewart in the poll, start with "gimmick."
Mad Typist beat me to it--you have to know what's going on already, or Jon Stewart isn't that funny.

It's not that he's not trustworthy; it's that he's not a newscaster. He's a satire of a newscaster, and he makes no bones about it.

Apples and oranges, people.
Wonder if any of the "Journalist"'s Bosses are taking a harder look at their paychecks today.

Seriously. These poll results, unscientific or not, are utterly embarrassing to Journalism as practiced on television. And it really cuts to the core of the whole "trust" issue: people trust a comedian to give them the straight dope more than the people actually entrusted (as it were) to give them the straight dope.
This poll says ALOT about America. And some of what it says makes me feel pretty good. The rest makes me feel scared as hell.
Oh come on. This is condescending! Those attractive newsreaders aren't journalists, anymore. The real journalists are behind the scenes and never sit in front of the camera, reading from a 'prompter.

Jon Stewart is the smartest court jester in history. Court jesters have always gotten more news out than the town criers who, increasingly, are also the village idiots.
We "trust" Stewart because his whole, snarky shtick centers around the fact that no one trusts news sources anymore.
MJWycha - Precisely!
Poor, poor Jon Stewart! He doesn't want that responsibility... he wants the news people to take on that responsibility and run with it.

Too bad... they mostly don't.
These days, I go straight to the wire services and newspaper websites for my news since I don't have faith in the television news anymore. All we get on tv is the filtered government approved content. Walter would have quit the business when they quit doing real news on the networks. Jon Stewart is where he is not so much for conventional journalism, but because he is percieved to be trust worthy and that's something I can't say for any news anchor on broadcast networks now.
Comedians sort of prove their loyalties are to the audience by the nature of being dependent on laughter to get ratings. News network shows, however, depend on the stories to get their ratings, and unfortunately, this is where they fail. Because the stories they choose to report are designed to have us afraid, pissed, and taking their stupid polls and calling their hotlines. You don't feel good watching the news, you feel ill. That's why they stick in fluff stories of Youtube kitties or cooking with celebrities. It's visual Pepto-Bismol.

I agree with those saying that you have to watch the news for Jon Stewart to be funny. He is the spoonful of sugar that makes the medicine go down.
Well, he's not on Fox. That's a good sign I guess.
We take a look at writers like Mencken, Twain, Swift, and Voltaire and admire how they used humor to attack the sins of their respective ages. I think Jon Stewart is in that tradition (disclaimer: I'm talking about his social role, not his literary skill), and though I understand why he wants to maintain a certain humility about his influence, I think he's important to our public discourse. To get his satire right, he has to expose the truth.
Lizz Winstead wrote, and was a big part of the shows origin. She does Ed show on MSNBC. She was a local Comedian now producing in NYC, we have loved her schtick for many years. Political satire helps people understand the real issues. Man, that is sad! Too bad people don't know who the owns (runs) the media garbage they watch. The shock might bring them more laughter than the great satirical minds that they've grown to trust, love.
A sign of ultimate success is a public discourse on the need to name your replacement. Here's hoping we never read this headline: "Who will be the next Bobby Jindal?"
The era of trust is over Saturn. The weirdo offering us candy from his car has turned us all into diabetics. Telling it straight is expected to be a scam of some sort. We won't see a replacement for Cronkite or his ilk again in our time is my guess. So asking the question in polls like this will continue to produce goofy responses.
It is disconcerting to say the very least.
Not close. sorry, reflex response
Next week's Time Magazine poll... "Which newspaper do you trust? 1) The Washington Post 2) The New York Times 3) The Los Angeles Times 4) The Onion"

::Scratching my head::

Trust a newscaster? It's not like they'll be coming over to watch my children, pets, or house immediately after the broadcast.
I am more inclined to believe that the real problem is there is no such thing as "news" anymore. And since none of the supposed "real" newscasters actually report "news", then the only difference between them and Jon Stewart is the fact that he is honest enough to not call what he says "news".

I like juicy gossip and scandal as much as the next person. But there are already lots of places I can go to get that information. And gossip and scandal are not "news". Or, if they are, then we are all in real trouble.

Right now here is what is news:
1. How many US soldiers and Iraqi citizens were killed today, how and why and what steps are being taken to make sure it doesn't happen tomorrow?
2. An explanation of all of the players at the health care debate table, what their interests in the subject are and what are the actual hurdles that still must be crossed for reform to pass or not pass?
3. What, exactly is the US plan for Pakistan and Afghanistan? Certainly not all the details but I would like to hear what is actually happening and what real experts think will happen and a discussion of the options open to the US and the rest of the world.
4. How many people protested today in Iran? What did the world do to support them? What are the real issues the Iranians are fighting for, not what the US wants their agenda to be.
5. If the CIA has behaved illegally and it sounds as though they have, what did they do that crossed the line to illegality and then what is going to be done about it and when.
6. How was TARP money spent today? By whom and for what?
7. Evidence of how the stimulus money is being used, on what specific projects, creating x number of jobs?
8. Why is a house in Washington DC that supposedly offers spiritual guidance so intertwined in our system of government and what is being done to stop it.
9. A clear and concise outline of how the Climate Control bill will affect my world, my country, my community and me.

The fact that Sanford and Ensign can't keep it in their pants, that Sanford is operating in some alternate reality and Ensign is such a baby his mom and dad have to pay off his girlfriend is titillating in the extreme, but not news. The fact that Michael Jackson, Farrah Fawcett, Frank McCourt and even Walter Cronkite have died is sad & definitely worth memorializing, but not news.

So if I am not going to get real news from my newscaster, why listen to a real newscaster, when the fake one is more educational and more entertaining?
Online polls are meaningless! "unscientific" = "bears no relation to reality, and is just as likely to be the opposite." No maybe about it. Quite likely somebody posted about the poll on a fan site and it got swarmed. So don't infer that most people favor Stewart, as great as he is, over the network anchors (flawed as they may be).

Here's some actual poll numbers (which may not be prefect, but at least they are done with some rigor) from Rasmussen: From March 09, Stewart has a 36% favorable rating, and 42% of Americans don't know him well enough to have an opinion. Colbert and Miller(hmmm) have similar numbers. They just did a Cronkite-inspired news anchor poll too. The 3 network anchors each have favorables between 47% and 50%.

So it's a safe bet that Jon is not the most trusted newsman in America.

(I used the search function at rasmussenreports.com to find these.)
Jon Stewart is the only brave journalist in the country. He is the only one that dares to mention and even defend the poor and the weak. He is witty, quick and very informative. If more people in America are watching him, this means less STUPID Americans.

His show is the most honest and most informative. Other journalists, compared to Jon Stewart, with few exceptions, are cowards and cunts.

Jon Stewart does real news; others lie and spin.
Jon Stewart is the class clown, the court jester who dares to say the things many people are thinking, because it is comedy. The survey results are more a reflection of the lack of trust in people like Williams, Couric, et. alia than they are of trust in Stewart, I think. If you're thirsty and the only things available to drink are three different poisons, and Coke, you're going to grab the Coke, the diuretic effects of caffeine be damned.
I wish I could say that this is sad, but it's not completely sad. It's only...inconvenient to journalism. Yes, Jon Stewart started his career as a comedian and still is. However, he is the only source of news that can be trusted because his humor is 100% generated from honesty and thusly, he sloughs out a lot of bullshit from the daily goings-on of rich assholes across the country.

Great post.
Jon Stewart is absolutely not the new Walter Cronkite. For one thing, Cronkite is much older than Stewart, not a comedian, and dead, whereas Stewart is much younger, much more of a comedian, and much more alive.

They are both mammals, though. And both not full of shit, which is, I suppose, what people were getting at in that poll.

I hope that clears things up for you.
Nice conclusion. I love Jon. (And I really like Juliet's comment).
When we talk about how great Stewart is (and Colbert), we should remember that they are the front men for a whole gaggle of writers and researchers - neither of them is a one-man show.
Holy cow. I spent most of the day packing and moving, folks, and missed all of these many fabulous comments until now -- when I'm so tired I can't give them the replies they deserve. But I, too, agree heartily with Juliet's comment -- Stewart (and, as Myriad so rightly points out, his writing staff) has one of the most insightful shows on television, whether its goal is humor or information. And I think it does take a certain level of informed participation in the world to understand that, too, like mad_typist said.

Great, great discussion. Thank you all for your comments and thoughts and, really, time.
Try Will Rogers http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will_Rogers. He is the Will Rogers of our time.

The current crisis in news isn't something new, it's as old as America itself. In many ways Ben Franklin was the US's first media magnate who helped the propaganda war for the Contintal Congress. He was also able to write and disseminate his own history that has been passed onto us to this day.

Will Rogers was in part a response pre-Great Depression. Like John Stewart he wasn't based in Washington DC. The cool thing about Stewart is that he works for a comedy channel which makes him a little of an outsider.

What Stewart represents is a recurring trend in the news business. When people pay attention to Stewart they are, in effect, thumbing their noses at the unholy government big-business propaganda machine.
I would agree that Stewart is not a journalist, nor does he play one on TV. Oh wait a minute -- maybe scratch that last bit.

But, I do consider him a commentator, even if he uses comedy to make his point. A journalist reports a story, but hardly any of the media talking heads do that any more -- they spin; they distort; they have their political talking points and stick to the script. He ridicules them because, let's face it, they're ridiculous. I don't agree that he is the heir to Walter Cronkite, but the news industry today isn't the news industry that existed in Cronkite's day. I do believe, however, that Jon Stewart critiques fairly and accurately, in a way that practically no mainstream commentators are able to match today.
Jon himself once said (to Bill Moyers, I believe) something to the effect of ...

That I am actually considered a news person says more about the state of journalism today, than it does about what I do.

Sadly though, given the other choices listed, Stewart DOES seem to be the most trusted newscaster. Given that Brian Williams is one of the main people ignoring the military analyst scandal, and Charlie Gibson's ABC is the network that disseminated the government disinformation on the anthrax attacks and still refuses to disclose who fed them that patently false information, it's not like Stewart is up against much trustworthiness here. How hard is it to be more trustworthy than a guy who refuses to acknowledge the compromising position he was in from the military analyst scandal, or a guy who says it's not a journalist's job to debate the people he covers?
Perhaps the fact that most people feel John Stewart is the best we've got, says more about the medium than any of the messengers. I think your analysis was spot on - as usual. I wonder if our current model of news as simply another genre of programming with the same profit imperative as all commercial programming, makes "trust" impossible. I'm not trying to impune Couric, Williams, Gibson or anyone else striving to come as close as they can to the standards set by Cronkite, Frank Reynolds and others of their generation. The game however, has changed - and so should our expectations. In our world, maybe the best we can do is the court jester telling truth to power with a wink and a nod. John Stewart may be more the heir to Mort Sahl than Cronkite. But that'll do.
No, there are a number of people who use the Daily Show as their sole source of news. And while Stewart makes you laugh, if you didn't know about the topic he satirizes, you do know something about it when he's done.

I think you can learn more from Stewart than a lot of the hot air spewing serious news anchors.

So does Indiana University.

http://newsinfo.iu.edu/news/page/normal/4159.html
This is why Stewart is trusted: check out the link to Salon's "War Room" below, and watch the video embedded in the story called "Stewart to Dobbs: Do you even watch CNN?"

http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/?source=refresh

More truth in that one segment than you find on any 10 network news broadcasts.
Amazing, huh? And yet...

Of course it really isn't a fair question, but, as Undertow wrote, they (Stewart and Colbert) are the "most trusted names in social critique." On television, I would say so, hands down. They ask the best questions, too.