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Saturn Smith

Saturn Smith
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Everything posted here, and more random thoughts, are also posted at my web site: http://kepkanation.com.

AUGUST 7, 2009 10:22PM

Death Panel?!? Is Sarah Palin Crazy or Watching Torchwood?

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So.  I really meant to come back and comment further on the meaningful news of the day, but, well, death panel.

Death panelDEATH PANEL!?!  Really, Sarah Palin?  Here's what she posted today on noted news site Facebook (emphasis added):

The Democrats promise that a government health care system will reduce the cost of health care, but as the economist Thomas Sowell has pointed out, government health care will not reduce the cost; it will simply refuse to pay the cost. And who will suffer the most when they ration care? The sick, the elderly, and the disabled, of course. The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama's "death panel" so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their "level of productivity in society," whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil.

"The Death Panel is coming!  Save me, Sarah Palin!"

I have three theories about this.  The first is that Sarah Palin, with all of her copius free time of late, sat down and watched all five hours of "Torchwood: Children of Earth" this week, as I did, but somehow missed the part where that's all fiction.  I won't post spoilers, but -- if you've never seen any of Torchwood (and I hadn't, prior to this mini-series), check it out from Netflix, then come back and let's discuss.  (Seriously.  Message me.  I need to talk this one out.)

The second is that Sarah Palin truly believes this.  If that's true, well, I'm glad she's taking to the series of tubes, as they call the Internet in Alaska, to tell the world.  What troubles me is that she and thousands of her followers seem able only to forward messages like these to their closest associates, but are not able to direct these same energies toward searching out the veracity of the rumor itself.  For all of these people, and for those who love them despite getting their my-head-is-going-to-explode e-mails, I would like to introduce/remind you of two of the best inventions on the Internet: Let Me Google That For You and Snopes.  If you have crazy and/or conservative relatives, I cannot recommend bookmarking these two sites enough.  They provide quick, easy solutions to the problem of lack of thinking for oneself that seems to completely encapsulate the strategy of the GOP and their e-mail chains.

The last I'm stealing from my boyfriend: "Maybe she's just bat-shit crazy."  Occum's Razor does point me in this direction, because how far divorced from the reality of our current society must you be to believe that the current president is about to institute DEATH PANELS via a system designed to improve health care availability.  Please, Mrs. Palin, point to a place on Earth with a government-managed health system where something like this has happened.  And if you've been using the BBC as your source, well, make sure it's BBC News, not Drama, that you're watching (and message me if you want to know the difference).

Run, kiddies!  Evil Obama-led Socialism is coming!

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Once again, Ms. Palin leaves me speechless. But, I guess the fact that she has sunk to using her disabled child to score cheap political points was to be expected.

I'm glad you wrote about this. I wanted to, but the story just left me feeling simultaneously angry and listless.

Maybe I'll check out "Torchwood" after I finish up the second season of "Mad Men"!

P.S. Regarding Snopes, the newest tactic is to claim that it is a partisan website. Our dear friend DJohn did this recently. It is a convenient excuse to ignore inconvenient facts.
What do you expect from someone who got crowds worked up during the campaign about Obama "pallin' around with terrorists", fomenting hate ... and then whining at the press about making things up ... This is so outrageous - and Republicans at large are complicit unless they speak up.
Myriad, I know, it's ridiculous of me to expect anything better... but I somehow didn't expect something worse.

Jeanette, I wondered how long it would take before the old tactic of "the truth is just more lies!" started up. Sigh. Snopes is so reliable, too.

And JLee -- I need to see Series 1 & 2 of Torchwood, still, but I really enjoyed (that's not quite the right word) "Children of Earth."
the principle of death panels is good: no one over 65 gets more care than aspirin, and as much morphine as they want. there is way too much money wasted keeping old farts going another 6 months, which could be better spent on children's health or prizes in wet tee-shirt contests.

or, those much-beloved politicians could spread it around as incentive pay for better politicking.
Uh, wow, Al, I'm gonna have to disagree as strongly as I've pretty much ever agreed with anything about cutting off health care to everyone over 65. Maybe that's my "biased" side speaking, as the child of a parent who's doing great -- and still working in this very health care system -- at the age of 66, but... what a terrible idea.
Death Panel? Are they the judges on American Idol. She could have been a hearbeat away from the presidency. She's a scary babe.
Huh. Maybe she's pitching a reality show and I didn't even realize it!
It could be that Sarah is taking a shot at crafting The Message. Maybe Luntz was unavailable, and Newt is too jealous of her to kick in few agitprop notes.

Poor Sowell. Even as shameless as he is, it has to hurt when his name gets associated with Sarah's.
I'm surprised she didn't go for a twofer by saying the death panel would've forced her to abort Trig in the first place. Then again, I'm often surprised that she manages to string sounds together to form words. Not *sense* but words.
Add another charm to her bracelet of stupidity. She is one to talk about caring for Down babies, the abusive simp. She has used this baby as a political prop.
she's worse than bat-shit crazy; she's evil and knows full well she is lying and stirring up the wingnuts.
I can't decide what's scarier: Sarah Palin, or the fact that some people *believe* her.
I agree that she knows she is lying and is just trying to stir up wingnuts--but I refuse to admit that excludes her from being "bat-shit crazy."

I have watched TORCHWOOD from the beginning, but the "Children of Earth" series was just stunning. I was numb at the end. The character of Frobisher and his family...so many real "civil servants" or "functionaries" with just that sort of misplaced loyalty. We have seen so many "heavy lies the head that wears the crown" stories over the years, but this series looked at the man who carried out the decisions issued from on high. Chilling. And finally seeing the true function of the push for standardized testing was a WOW moment.
I think she's just following talking points - and "death panel" is just a sound byte to embellish them.

I received conservative talking points by e-mail this week. The e-mail - from a well-educated friend - claimed that the government plan advocates euthanizing the elderly.

The e-mail did do a favor, though - it provided the link to the bill and page number references for the wild claims. Thus I could read for myself how they're taking reimbursement for "advance care planning," and the portability of living wills, and turning it into euthanasia hysteria. My husband and I have living wills. When he suggested it, I didn't think he was planning on doing away with me. And we paid our lawyer to draw it up. Don't see how consulting with your doctor, and paying him for his expertise, amounts to euthanasia.
I am somewhat amused and horrified by the dramatics that are going on around this health care issue. It's sort of like watching a child have a meltdown...or like that video of that woman in the airport throwing a tantrum, (which I totally understand because who hasn't felt like that in the airport at least once?). Someone needs to stand up and tell these people to grow up!

lmgtfy cracks me up, every time I see it, it makes me smile

Oh, and I have been watching Torchwood since the beginning and I half love it, half hate it. The Children Of Earth was good. Seasons 1&2 were exasperating - they'd have some good ideas but they tried too hard to sex it up and it started to get old.
And the Death Panels will be staffed by Kenyans and evil space aliens!
Well said Saturn. This right wing stuff is getting scary and Palin is right there with them. The "Obama's death panel" comment is just plain and simple racism rearing its ugly head - again. I think that many white people in America (and probably around the world) are terrified that a black man is successful, articulate, and in power. It's going to get a lot uglier I bet.
Thanks for finding a working computer to jump on this.
@ jeanette: Palin's been using that kid as a prop since last year. This should be no shock.
maybe we need to change the description of Republicans from all about FUD to include Lying, making it FLUD I guess. It is disheartening to see so many believe what are so obviously lies. Which makes me think there is some additional element, as in racism.

On my last trip up to the Sixth Floor Museum, I was struck by all the hatred spewed and recorded in local newspapers about JFK from the conservative wingnut base of the day. It was vile, and filled with lies intended to inspire those too ignorant or too unwilling to suss out the truth into their own spirals of hatred. I wonder how in that atmosphere that a an unbalanced lunatic would gain some delusions of heroic deeds about himself and kill the President.

I can only hope that decent, clear thinking citizens are taking note of all the bullshit.
Sarah Palin is basking in the glow of too much unearned positive attention. Ooooh, she's gonna slip and fall real hard one of these days. I know that it sounds impossible, given that she's completely gotten away with everything she's done wrong, but it's coming...
She seems crazy and deranged...some kind of grandiose narcissistic personality disorder...those people can indeed be scary because they are also charismatic. She is the oxygen to the campfire that turns into an out-of-control wildfire. Perhaps she could co-host with Rush Limbaugh.
Sarah Palin isn't crazy at all. She knows exactly what she is doing, and it is one of the oldest games in politics: deceitful demagoguery. She is continuing to do what she did during the campaign: fomenting needless outrage over false issues. She, more than other current or recent office holder, is following the lead of Limbaugh and Hannity and Beck and the rest of them in inciting outrage and even hatred where nothing of the sort is justified.
Death Panel sounds like a new and really boring Mad Max movie. You know, where he settles down with a three piece suit and runs the Thunderdome as a health care bureaucracy. I nominate Palin and Limbaugh for the first round. "Two nitwits enter!! One nitwit leaves!"
I don't know about that; Oregon does the same thing about valuing procedures, which is a form of rationing, which might actually be reasonable.
It just makes people uncomfortable to say.
For example, take an end stage breast cancer patient.
Should society really pay for a bone marrow transplant with a .2 probability of life plus eight months for $250,000?
Someone's care gets rationed, and given Social Security and Medicare, icebergs may look good in the future.
As to disability, Sparta.
As a loyal liberal I hope that Mrs. Palin stays in the limelight.
Saturn, I think you left out a possibility: Palin is laying the groundwork to become another Ann Coulter. The statement you quoted had Coulter's MO all over it: grossly misstate the facts and draw an absurd, hateful conclusion. Of course, Coulter is very smart and says her insane things as part of Kaufman-esque comedy, while Palin has thus far not shown much intelligence or sophisticated humor.

But whether or not Palin has the ability to successfully emulate Coulter over the long term, Coulter has shown that you can make a very successful living by taking arguments as far as the facts will go, and then pushing beyond to the point of parody. Palin is not so stupid as to have missed that point.

Strip away the over-the-top, paraonid rhetoric, and what Palin said wasn't entirely crazy. At some point, America will have to place limits on what healthcare is provided. We can't provide the level of care that people with unlimited funds or outlier insurance receive to everyone. Rationing and public boards prioritizing which illnesses receive what funding occurs in all systems: it's called management.

The problem is that Palin either doesn't realize or purposely ignores that rationing/prioritization will happen regardless of who runs healthcare in America. Nor does she express any understanding that for far too many Americans, basic healthcare is either unavailable, or available only in limited terms through overloaded public providers. For an ex-governor, that is appalling.
The thing that always strikes me about this entire discussion is the concept of “rationing” healthcare, as if we don’t already do that. The insurance industry is predicated on rationing; that’s ALL they do. By rationing, they increase their profits. How is it that people don’t recognize this simple fact? WTF?!

Every time a claim is denied, what do people think is happening? The insurance company is “rationing” healthcare, saying the claimant is not eligible for or worthy of that treatment. And then the insurance company deposits that claimant’s premium payment into its bank account where it is turned into greater profits for the company.

The level stupidity that exists in this so-called healthcare debate is astounding to me. The only debate taking place is about how to preserve profits for greedy corporations.
Torchwood was awesome.

She's batshit crazy like a fox.

Unfortunately, the drooling, self-lobotomized Palingerers (I just made that word up) will follow her runaway-derailed train of thought anywhere.
Whoever wrote that passage on Palin's FB page may have seen the program, but I doubt Palin wrote it herself. The construction is over and above her usual level of communication. One place in particular is where the text states "in which". Simple as that may be, it is beyond Sarah Palin's usual level of discourse. There as also no mention of "also too". I think she has a ghost FB poster.
"SOYLENT GREEN IS PEOPLE!"

By the way, your question is not an either-or. The answer to the first part is obviously "Yes", and the answer to part two may be the same.
I'll be more succinct than the others: She's crazy.
Great post!
And, comments.
Now I have to run,
because something Just
Juli said reminded me that I
have Redbox movies to return.
Sarah Palin: Wind her up and she'll scream something absurd and unbased in fact. Wind her up more, and she 'll trot her kids out for her political gain. Wind her up three times and she'll believe anything you tell her about the supposed threat of socialism.
But she's out done herself this time.
Never heard of Torchwood, but I'll have to check in out. In the meantime, I am still pulling my hair out because this woman just gets under my skin. The sad part is, using her kids is the least of her problems.

http://open.salon.com/blog/greer_mcvay/2009/08/15/decisions_decisions
try going to smalldeadanimals.com for a posting Sept 20, 2009 for how that really plays out. Canada has death panels they are just called health administrators who work in government making decisions about what procedures will be covered, what drugs will be covered and what services you might get (if you are prepared to wait long enough).
I just watched Torchwood, Children of Earth after reading about it in a year-end list. I had not heard of it before. I loved it! Terrific. How could something like this be out and not more publicity in US? Anyway, your comments are hilarious. I would not be surprised if her campaign slogan in 2012 is "Obama is Here..." chanted in unison by glazed over followers.
I just watched Torchwood, Children of Earth after reading about it in a year-end list. I had not heard of it before. I loved it! Terrific. How could something like this be out and not more publicity in US? Anyway, your comments are hilarious. I would not be surprised if her campaign slogan in 2012 is "Obama is Here..." chanted in unison by glazed over followers.