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Everything posted here, and more random thoughts, are also posted at my web site: http://kepkanation.com.

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JULY 26, 2010 12:41PM

Wikileaks documents could help show the real costs of war

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Joint Chiefs Chairman Admiral Mike Mullen arrives in Kandahar this weekend. DoD Photo/McNeeley

The minute Wikileaks's major classified document dump was announced, I knew Glenn Greenwald would have something to say. His piece at Salon is surprisingly brief, possibly because the leak caught him about to go on vacation. This paragraph caught my eye:

Note how obviously lame is the White House's prime tactic thus far for dismissing the importance of the leak: that the documents only go through December, 2009, the month when Obama ordered his "surge," as though that timeline leaves these documents without any current relevance. The Pentagon Papers only went up through 1968 and were not released until 3 years later (in 1971), yet having the public behold the dishonesty about the war had a significant effect on public opinion, as well as the willingness of Americans to trust future government pronouncements. At the very least, it's difficult to imagine this leak not having the same effect. Then again, since -- unlike Vietnam -- only a tiny portion of war supporters actually bears any direct burden from the war (themselves or close family members fighting it), it's possible that the public will remain largely apathetic even knowing what they will now know. It's relatively easy to support and/or acquiesce to a war when neither you nor your loved ones are risking their lives to fight it.

Emphasis mine. Greenwald is right that there's an exceptionally good chance this enormous revelation will have almost no effect on the public opinion of the war in Afghanistan. Many of us have discussed before how the worst costs of war are being endured by a small faction of the country -- those who serve in the military and their families -- and those are the kinds of costs it's very difficult to spread, without instituting a draft.

Yet I think here there's an opportunity to show Americans who are paying only passing attention to the war that there are other, broader costs that they are in fact incurring every day. The war is shown, in these 92,000 documents, to be a failure of both preparation and imagination. No one seemed to accurately grasp what U.S. troops were getting into in Afghanistan, and no one seems to have accurately pictured the effectiveness of the insurgency that's been growing. The New York Times:

The documents — some 92,000 reports spanning parts of two administrations from January 2004 through December 2009 — illustrate in mosaic detail why, after the United States has spent almost $300 billion on the war in Afghanistan, the Taliban are stronger than at any time since 2001.

[...]

The reports portray a resilient, canny insurgency that has bled American forces through a war of small cuts. The insurgents set the war’s pace, usually fighting on ground of their own choosing and then slipping away.

Sabotage and trickery have been weapons every bit as potent as small arms, mortars or suicide bombers. So has Taliban intimidation of Afghan officials and civilians — applied with pinpoint pressure through threats, charm, violence, money, religious fervor and populist appeals.

There are two easily understood costs being discussed here. The first is a dollar amount. In a year in which every campaign ad must apparently attach a "I'm Candidate X and I approved this ad but hate the deficit!" disclaimer, a frank discussion of the escalating costs and diminishing returns of investment in the Afghanistan war might be the best way of bringing the fight home. I hate the idea of reducing the complex geometry of human hatred down to dollar amounts, but I'm learning that right now, this is how Average America thinks and certainly what it responds to. So perhaps if these documents paint an accurate picture of where, exactly, those sainted tax dollars have been thrown, people will start to pay more attention. I'd like to see news reports focus more on putting those costs -- known and hidden -- together.

There's a downside to this, though. The documents show that American forces believed Pakistan was arming and directing insurgent forces within Afghanistan -- and several of the stories I've read so far are careful to highlight that the United States has sent Pakistan $1 billion in aid. Any accounting approach to the Afghanistan war could inadvertently draw upon the deep reservoirs of isolationism that still exist in the American public, which would make our tiny, tiny budgetary allowance for foreign aid very vulnerable. The United States will win absolutely no hearts and minds abroad by a complete financial withdrawal from the world.

Second, those last two paragraphs sound eerily familiar to anyone who was alive during (or has studied since) the Vietnam war. Insurgents have "set the pace" and have "bled American forces through a war of small cuts." To those who have from the very start predicted that Afghanistan would become for the U.S. exactly what it was for Russia -- a drawn-out, unwinnable conflict in an unwelcoming country -- this seems stark proof.

The reports repeatedly describe instances when the insurgents have been seen wearing government uniforms, and other times when they have roamed the country or appeared for battle in the very Ford Ranger pickup trucks that the United States had provided the Afghan Army and police force.

These documents (and I have reviewed only a fraction, in addition to the many well-reported summaries and analyses) seem to show in greater detail what we already knew: We are literally killing ourselves in Afghanistan. This release of information comes just after a new report has been published, showing that when the International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) kills civilians in Afghanistan, it leads directly to higher recruitment capabilities for insurgents (while, conversely, insurgent harm to civilians seems to have little direct effect on their recruitment abilities). Every mistake coalition forces make in Afghanistan comes back to haunt them, and every victory ensures only another battle.

If the truth won't make an impression, what will? The answer, I fear, is defeat.

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The lack of a draft in this country will only perpetuate the status quo of a nation fighting two wars. None other than Charles Rangel raised this issue as reported by CNN in 2003,

"WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Rep. Charles Rangel introduced a bill in Congress Tuesday to reinstate the military draft, saying fighting forces should more closely reflect the economic makeup of the nation.

The New York Democrat told reporters his goal is two-fold: to jolt Americans into realizing the import of a possible unilateral strike against Iraq, which he opposes, and "to make it clear that if there were a war, there would be more equitable representation of people making sacrifices."

"I truly believe that those who make the decision and those who support the United States going into war would feel more readily the pain that's involved, the sacrifice that's involved, if they thought that the fighting force would include the affluent and those who historically have avoided this great responsibility," Rangel said.

"Those who love this country have a patriotic obligation to defend this country," Rangel said. "For those who say the poor fight better, I say give the rich a chance."

This was one of Rangel's finer moments as congressman.
I agree, Bonnie, I think there is an element of the public letting elected officials promise one thing and then not deliver. But there's been no consistency from the electorate on this matter, either. What would it take to get people interested enough that they'd follow up on what's happening with the war(s)?

The suicide report is terrible and frightening, too, you're right.
I agree that these revelations will have virtually no impact on public sentiment. The handwriting has been on the wall for years. Wikileaks merely shines a fresh spotlight on it, but most of us could read it fine in plain everyday sunshine.

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I hadn't seen that statement before, OE, but I like that last line. Raising the specter of the draft is interesting (though I think it's politically impossible to ever get it reinstated). Any attention to the possibility is likely to get more folks to take this war seriously, instead of resting on their assumptions of American superiority.
Alan -- yeah. What troubles me is now, since the people who are paying attention have known most of this before, the attention will instead be shone on Wikileaks itself instead of the service it provides in offering this information.
The cover-up of 9/11/01 was key to keeping the Murcun Sheeple in line.
My oldest grandson is just back from Afganistan. I'm dying to ask him about it when I see him later this week, and about his impressions and the impressions of other soldiers, general sentiment regarding the war and whether there's support for it.
Sorry, typed too fast. Afghanistan.
Kathy, I hope you'll be able to discuss some of his observations.
Well done, as usual.

I'm with Sheepdog about the draft: As unlikely as we like to say it is the draft will ever be reinstated, I honestly think now is the time for progressives to push for it. The real cost of war can't be appreciated unless we're called upon to share sacrifice. We can keep telling people that 47% of our national budget is eaten up in "defense" spending, but only when coffins come home to all parts of the country to families at every income level will we understand exactly the size and nature of the human cost of our "incursions"
I'm okay with defeat teaching the US public what it needs to know. (Or more properly, awareness of defeat, since the defeat has already happened.) The sooner we learn that lesson, the sooner we come home. Defeat, or the awareness of it, can't come too quickly as far as I'm concerned.
Aside from details, there's little or nothing in the leaks which wasn't already known or suspected by anyone who has followed the conflict closely. I'm reminded of the furor over the video that came out showing an Apache helicopter killing people in Iraq. Many were shocked and outraged, and amazingly enough, surprised, but it was simply a glimpse of what war is really like when stripped of the euphemisms and obfuscation.
"The war is shown, in these 92,000 documents, to be a failure of both preparation and imagination. No one seemed to accurately grasp what U.S. troops were getting into in Afghanistan, and no one seems to have accurately pictured the effectiveness of the insurgency that's been growing. "

Well said. And as you pointed out, this is precisely what happened in Vietnam. Our experts (such as Richard Holbrook) are so far-removed from reality that it is scary. And also as you pointed out, this war is not getting the public's attention as it only affects those actually fighting it - and they tend to be youth who had limited opportunities at home to begin with.

Well written. Keep us up on the WikiLeaks to come.
when are self-styled 'progressives' going to push for democracy? if you start off by conceding power to the politician's oligarchy, nothing can be done, except whine. progs are good at whining, from constant practice, but the mess the usa is in is the result of politician rule, and whining doesn't work.

no system change, no result change. thank you for your attention, return to whining.
Thanks for this.

It prompts me to finally ask, at the risk of being impossibly naive, in a military-industrial economy, isn't war what's actually required ?

And doesn't it follow that Afghanistan provides your economy with the perfect, inexhaustible storm ?
Wiki Leaks rocks. Hearing about their exposes is the one thing that will put a smile on my face in the morning. I don't think Congress knew about a lot of this stuff, and I know a few of them will make an issue out of the abominations that were revealed.
Very good post Saturn. Like many others, I immediately wondered how comparable this was to the Pentagon Papers. So far, there doesn't seem that much surprising in Wiki. But, I felt the same way about the PPs. Perhaps having had an IF Stone subscription during the Vietnam war had given me an inkling of the lies.

The relative apathy towards Afghanistan is due to its being a sideshow until 2009. Tht's a 7+ years sideshow. Now Iraq seems almost forgotten. Such is the national ADD regarding the most serious issued.

I'm not sure where this will lead but I doubt it will have the impact of the PPs.
"The United States will win absolutely no hearts and minds abroad by a complete financial withdrawal from the world."

We win other people's hearts and minds by leaving them alone and not killing their children with Predator drone strikes. What you disparage as isolationism is actually non-interventionism, which is a wise principle that has served this country well in the past, and to which we should return. If our foreign aid programs take a hit from abandoning our misguided wars, most people here and abroad would consider that a small price to pay to be free of bloodthirsty American imperialism.
You're preaching to a "Bring 'em home! Bring 'em all home!" choir here.
This country is now run by money, for money and by money, and though I funded, supported, and voted for the current administration, I am afraid they are just the left-hand sock puppet of the same money that ran the Bush bunch.
The puppet is dead, long live the puppet!
(R)ated for still caring enough to bang pots and pans on your rooftop.
@Bonnie Russell
You hit the nail right on the head!
I agree with the Dr. who said Wikileaks rocks and can't wait to see what happens next--this is (part of) the solution to the current problem of media as propaganda tool. I knew you would be writing about it, Saturn. Keep up the good work.
I think that al loomis is quite right saying that 'the mess the usa is in is the result of politician rule'. It is similar everywhere. The small elite decides about the wars and the general public is not much aware of the reality of the wars.

So many innocent people killed. Every day. How to get the war to be stopped?
I think that negotiations should be soon started. To get a ceasefire in the beginning. And then stop the war.

I think that all, including Americans and Taliban know that further fighting would lead only for more suffering.

I don't understand well American interests in the area. But I think that for any economic and humanitarian development of the country it would be best to stop the war. Then it would be much easier to negotiate about any common goals. I'm quite sure that even Taliban would accept American help to rebuild the country.

I have been some time in Vietnam. My impression was that Vietnam is now doing quite much business with Americans and common people there are nowadays quite friendly with Americans.

Obama's administration has expanded the war. But people behind the war plans can start working for the peace, too. There are now plans to get American troops out of Afghanistan at the certain time. Those plans can be advanced to get the troops out earlier.
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