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Saturn Smith

Saturn Smith

Saturn Smith
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Everything posted here, and more random thoughts, are also posted at my web site: http://kepkanation.com.

MAY 2, 2011 3:34PM

Can bin Laden ever really be dead?

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I'm watching a near-constant scroll of reactions to Osama bin Laden's death roll past on various blog sites, Facebook and Twitter, and I'm alarmed at the number of folks I see who want "proof" of bin Laden's death. The news that he's been buried at sea has been met with a chorus of "show us the proof!" and "now we'll never know!" and the like. Gizmodo has already gone to bat against a fake picture of dead Osama (graphic), and though the joke about Donald Trump wanting to see the long-form death certificate was old the second time it was told, there's a kernel of truth in the idea that someone will always want to see more. Dave Weigel at Slate points out that even Cindy Sheehan has gotten in on the act, and he writes "Osama bin Trutherism is born."

657E86FA-6CA4-46C3-BE4C-7F6191D6412A.jpgThe USS Carl Vinson, from where bin Laden was committed to the sea.

The problem, of course, is that there's almost no way to definitively prove anything these days. The clearer the answers that technology can give, the clearer the answers that it can invent. So there's DNA testing, but some will argue that could have been staged or faked, contaminated, or misreported. There's certainly photographic evidence, and though the White House is saying it may not be released officially, someone will make it public, someday -- though in an age where Photoshop can create entire parks at the click and swivel of your mouse, it's hard to know what's real and what's invented. There will, at some point, be the debriefing and testimony of those involved in the raid; there's the contemporaneous account of that poor dude on Twitter; there are maps and video of fires at this compound. There is the word of one of bin Laden's wives.

Beyond this proof -- these facts that will seem to some too easily manipulable in modern days -- the only proof will be bin Laden's absence from the world. There will be no new tapes -- but, then again, maybe there will be. How hard would it be to forge a new recording, or to leak an old but unreleased tape onto the Internet or into the hands of his most rabid followers?

The problem is this: even if there were a body, the thousands who need more proof would never have had it. We are again in an age where only the naked eye, only the personal experience, seems to serve as proof enough, and there would never have been a chance for everyone to walk by and see this man's body.

I believe he is dead because the president told me so. I believe that the president knows he is dead, and he's a smart enough man to know when he's being lied to. Thinking cynically and skeptically, the consequences for getting this wrong are too severe for me to believe that there would ever be enough of an upside for someone to cover up the failure to kill a leader as famous and famously hated and hunted as bin Laden. He is dead. He is gone. Yesterday was an ending.

For conspiracy theorists, though, it was just a new beginning. Those who lack faith in our leaders will not be so easily convinced. I imagine the next six months -- whether they are filled with the silent secrecy of a mission gone well or the inane chatter of bragging -- will produce enough fodder to feed the conspiracy cannons for decades.

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Saturn, perhaps the wagering organizations in the UK will take bets as to when the first 'official' sighting of bin Laden will be made in the mountains of Afghanistan. Social scientists may call it the "Elvis Phenomena".
The Elvis-Osama compound would be one weird place, wouldn't it?
Conspiracists we have with us always.
Your question is rhetorical. The chances are, NO, it's not a chance, the reality is he is now a martyr, and more will want to die for his cause than less. Only the stakes have changed. Populism in the Middle East has "disturbed" the sweatheart deals between many Mideastern nations and the US. The balance of power is shifting more rapidly than ever before in my lifetime. Bin Laden is dead, and now the real war will begin.
I'm pretty sure they will show the death photo, like they did with Saddam Husseins two sons.

But I told my husband: what were they thinking burying him at sea? Conspiracy theorists will go wild!!
I suppose they'll go wild no matter what, Deborah, but you're right, this will certainly feed the fires.
It didn't matter in the least how they chose to dispose of him; the conspirasists would have dreamed up something, just as they're now claiming Obama's long-form birth certificate is a photoshopped phony.
interesting coincidence-- there is about as much evidence presented to the public that OBL is dead, that he was behind 911.
Obama seems to assume we have really short memories. Fox News reported bin Laden's death from lung complications of kidney failure in Dec 2001. See link:

http://www.healthsmartsantafe.com//media/1715/FOX_NEWS_says_Osama_was_dead_since_2001/

As Hitler's propaganda minister, Goebbels once said, the public will believe even a really big lie if you repeat it often enough.
The evidence is flimsy and they should have known it; a large number of people speaking with conviction and perhaps more using ridicule or other fallacies isn’t going to change that. I’m not convinced of the link Jeanne cited but I’m not ruling it out either. There should be some doubts when the government acts so incompetently. That doesn’t mean I think it is probable that they faked his death one way or another; but in this case I wouldn’t blame the conspiracy theorists.

There should be no doubt about one thing though; they’re definitely using war mongering to manipulate people emotions and distract them from their corruption and other activities.
The Republicans have been running on the fumes of magical thinking for ages, but the vapors to run the GOP fuel ignition are just about all gone. Any spinning of the right wing narrative on the affair Bin Laden has been reduced to promoting the lie that "torture works." When this is the best that they can do, you know what the definition of pitiful is.