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Saturn Smith

Saturn Smith
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Everything posted here, and more random thoughts, are also posted at my web site: http://kepkanation.com.

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MAY 26, 2011 2:30PM

John Edwards May Face Criminal Charges

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Photo of John EdwardsJohn Edwards.

Well, this is a little unsurprising:

After reports emerged that the Justice Department had decided to bring criminal charges against Mr. Edwards, his lawyer, Gregory Craig, issued a defiant statement saying that the government was operating only on an untested “theory” and that Mr. Edwards was not guilty.

“John Edwards has done wrong in his life — and he knows it better than anyone — but he did not break the law,” the statement said.

The Justice Department is planning to charge Mr. Edwards with violating campaign finance laws; prosecutors say he used money that should have been reported as campaign donations to cover up the affair, which produced a child, wrecked his marriage and ended his political career.

I'm certain there are those who would like to see the entire Edwards affair just go away. It would certainly be nicer for the Democrats -- though I doubt Mr. Edwards received any Christmas cards from the DNC this year -- and it might even be nicer for North Carolinians who are tired of hearing about it. It would certainly be kind to his children for this mess to disappear.

Yet I can't agree with the statement that his lawyer released at all:

Mr. Craig’s statement challenged the government’s view that certain monies would be considered contributions and therefore subject to campaign finance laws.

“There is no civil or criminal precedent for such a prosecution,” the statement said, adding that the government itself had already found that “not one penny from the Edwards campaign was involved.” It added that the Justice Department had already “wasted millions of dollars and thousands of hours” pursuing this case and should drop it.

It's not a waste of time or money to find out if someone that millions of people trusted, not just with their votes but also with their volunteered time and their donated money, lied. When you donate to a campaign, it is supposed to be a positive action. It is certainly an act of some trust: trust that the dollars you spend will be used in the best way possible to support an idea or ideal you believe in.

The ways in which John Edwards betrayed the trust of his family have been too-well documented in the press and through his own wife's words. The ways in which he may have betrayed the trust of the everyday folks who supported his campaign have been less well discussed. Though this trial would center specifically on the donations of two wealthy benefactors -- Rachel Mellon and Fred Baron -- the case is relevant to anyone who's given money to a politician or a political cause. It's never a waste of time to investigate whether that money is being spent in accordance with the law.

In fact, I wish these investigations would happen more often, and more swiftly; maybe fewer folks would believe that their war chests are personal bank accounts if they did.

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A little unsurprising is right. Thanks for blogging about this, Saturn, so I didn't have to.
Saturn, it is just such a waste when Edwards could have been an important voice during these economic times. His campaign was significant in that it pushed candidates Obama and Clinton to take on health care issues. Edwards might have had meaningful social impact, even if he did not gain political office. Instead, now there will be headlines about Rielle Hunter, money, expensive hair cuts and sex tapes. - Blagh!
They're doing the same thing with Ahh-nuld as we speak
It will sell more tabloids than investigating Boehner's Disney World trips and Palin's clothes etc.etc. This is what you get from a DOJ composed primarily of Bush era appointees.
Saturn, I think you are exactly right in focuing on the betrayal of trust and the magnitude of that betrayal. I well remember the video that circulated showing him primping his hair before an appearance. I knew right then he had a narcissist's sense of entitlement and an ego so massive it probably exerted a gravitational force, and though his "Two Americas" theme resonated with me, I no longer took him seriously.
The take home message: we can't look to politicians to get us out of this mess. We will have to find the solution ourselves.
Like Jerry, back in 2004 I originally thought John Edwards was talking about important things about being low-income in America that nobody else was saying, and I liked Elizabeth a lot. Next to GWB, he looked pretty damned good.

Which is why I'm so mad at him for having blown it this badly. I'm embarrassed for having liked him originally and find him beneath contempt. But he betrayed a lot of people who previously believed in him, and I don't think he should get away with that.
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"In fact, I wish these investigations would happen more often, and more swiftly; maybe fewer folks would believe that their war chests are personal bank accounts if they did."

I couldn't agree more.
Thanks for news I read two days ago. Am I missing something on OS?
hello. i had hoped more would come out of edwards, for sure.
as to campaign finance, if you know who gave the money, there is an argument that this is what matters, as you can infer agenda, although i think that argument too far.
This is silly, petty, and vindictive.

If prosecutors can't find something more productive to do, they should simply go on vacation.
Furthermore, I am missing the logic of this -- you want to see more investigations.

But this thing has already been investigated to death.

Are you saying that a trial is an investigation?

Or that the investigation to date is faulty?

If Rachel Mellon and Fred Baron feel violated, let them sue Edwards in civil court.

Or are you saying he spent money given by the 'little people' whoring around?

Or are you simply saying that he 'lied' and should therefore go to prison?

The criminal justice system should be be reserved for redress regarding behavior that is clearly criminal. Lying about sex -- not so much. Same with recreational drug use and a lot of other stuff.
Why do we concern ourselves over chickenshit tabloidisms' Where is our anger toward real criminals like bankers..?
OK, Saturn, this should be interesting...

Actually, although once a supporter of Edwards, I am no longer. And if he violated the law, I'd as soon see him prosecuted. I want people who violate the law brought to justice, and if it's someone from The Left it's no different. Plus it's an opportunity to show The Right that our concern for prosecuting people is not partisan.

That said, I'm not sure that a case can't successfully be built that using campaign funds to cover up an affair is an appropriate use of moneys. Certainly throughout history, many Presidents have had affairs and probably public moneys have been used to cover that up. And one can reasonably argue that in some cases it would have been tragic not just for those individuals but for society at large if they were removed for what were, well, not high crimes and misdemeanors (in spite of the vagueness of that term). Put another way, suppose John Edwards was someone who really did have the backing of the world to solve the financial crisis or global warming. Would I want that person—anyone with such demonstrated skills is hard to find—removed for unrelated reasons? I think not. And so one might reasonably argue that the supporters of that person, at least some of them, just want to see him elected. Perhaps enough that the moneys spent were covered simply by the donations that willfully would have given up the money to cover.

Now John Edwards doesn't, by all accounts, have that kind of skill. And so he wasn't elected, and rightly so. And his name is mud. And he may have violated other laws, for which I'd say prosecute him. But if the entirety of the case is that he spent campaign money making himself look good on things that weren't illegal and didn't play well, then I've got to say all people in all campaigns pay for such things and get away with it. And I think it's utterly inappropriate to scapegoat him for that alone.

I'd love to see just about the entire Right taken to task for claiming that they thought Obama was not a US citizen. That's just obvious hogwash. Many said he wasn't when it's obvious they knew otherwise. Which means they are being manipulated by money we cannot see. There is a lack of disclosure and (e.g., Citizens United) a lack of proper controls. But if we're not going to go after that, then it's silly to go after Edwards for this.

And, moreover, although the Republicans in particular and sometimes even some Democrats sometimes talk like it would be good to be ruled by saints, the fact is that Jimmy Carter is probably the closest President we're likely to have had in my lifetime to being a saint, and many of both parties liked him least well. Which says to me that sainthood is not really the qualification people want for office. They want results on tangible things that matter to the population at large, and they would sacrifice the family life of the President in a heartbeat if they could trade it for a job or safety in the streets.

So even if it was campaign money, I think the use ought not be criminal. And if it were private it ought not be criminal. And that means it ought not be criminal. At least unless we just want a society in which it's criminal to have an affair or to cover it up. It's just a routine part of life, for better or worse. Certainly it's a private part. He can answer to God or his wife or to his friends or to the public but not to the government for it.

Or maybe there is something in the campaign finance laws that says specifically that it's bad that I just don't know about. I'm looking for something that says “Notwithstanding the fact that having an affair is legal and a personal private matter for ordinary citizens, campaign money cannot be used to cover such things up even though it can be used to in general sanitize the overall look of a candidate against other past issues that are going to be embarrassing and would impede the chances of the candidate.” or even something that says “If a candidate is not always utterly forthcoming about the least little flaw in his past, then that person is guilty of criminality and should be prosecuted to the ends of the earth even long after his candidacy crashes and burns and he returns to his own miserable personal life.” Absent language like that, it seems to me he has a fair case.

By the way, if the claim is narrowly that he received money at all and should have classified it as a donation, then what he used it for seems irrelevant and they should not even be remarking on it. Bringing in the use seems a red herring and makes me doubt that it's brought in for any other reason that the case on the donation itself is weak.
I agree with you completely, Saturn. All I can keep thinking about is how devastated Elizabeth must have been after that "centerfold" of his mistress came out in that (don't remember which) magazine. She grossed me out. RIP Elizabeth Edwards, she didn't deserve this.
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What Davyboy said.

Which is also what I think Kent said.

Chickenshit charges.

And, FWIW, Elizabeth was complicit. No one gets a pass in an ethical catastrophe.
No physician from N.C. will ever shed a tear over Mr. Edward's misfortunes. He was a very successful ambulance chaser, and made most of his money suing doctors.
That said, I liked his stance on healthcare reform; he didn't want to bring anyone to the table who was a player in healthcare costs. As it worked out everyone got a 'by' but the health insurance companies.
Elizabeth Edwards seemed to good for him.
I don't imagine charges would have been brought without some accounting evidence of wrong doing. We'll see...
OMG I am so glad things like this reach the light and get due process.
Just getting to this now Saturn. I fully agree. Diverting political contributions for personal use, regardless of how sordid or not that use was, should be taken seriously. But what do you expect a defense lawyer to say.