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SEPTEMBER 10, 2008 6:48PM

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I seem to be full of them.

Many years ago -- when the ERA was an issue -- I shared one of these with a women's group. I said that, though we had much work to do in the coming years to make life easier for women, we had already won. Women were entering the work force in massive numbers, and they (we) weren't going back. Once we were entrenched in the economic system, we were there to stay, and everything else -- eventually -- would follow from that.

Another unpopular opinion, equally foolishly shared: women do sometimes make bad decisions about birth control and abortion, but that's not the issue. We, just like men, have a right to make bad decisions about our own bodies. To pretend that women never make careless, risky, even unethical decisions is to avoid the real issue, and to leave ourselves open to irrelevant arguments.

Now I'm at it again. The choice of Sarah Palin -- whose politics are anathema to me -- as McCain's running mate, is a major step forward for women. Spokespeople for the most right-wing of social conservatives are outraged at the suggestion that a woman, a mother of five, might not be able to manage the job of vice president.

They can't take it back.

And they're right. If this question does not arise with male candidates, it ought not arise with women.

A simple guideline: if it's not an appropriate issue to raise regarding a heterosexual/white/male, it's not an appropriate issue to raise regarding anyone else.

Furthermore, I'm in agreement that family ought to be off limits, with some caveats. I think that the private life of a a politician/public official might be my business in the following circumstances:

  1. The allegations include harassment, abuse, assault, or exploitation.
  2. The behavior involved the use or expenditure of public resources.
  3. The individual involved has pursued legislation or prosecution of the behavior in which s/he is alleged to have engaged.
  4. S/he has publicly condemned people, specifically or in general, who engage in the same behavior, and supported or encouraged persecution of said people. (Restricting civil rights, for example.)
  5. The behavior demonstrates truly bad judgement that might indicate more pervasive problems. (Dancing with strippers in a public fountain while drunk might fall into this category.)
Lying about the behavior is not on my list. Why not?

Many people lie about sex, especially those in public life. They shouldn't have to lie; they shouldn't have to discuss it at all. How are we to know what private arrangements people have with their spouses or partners? Those agreements, or any violation of them, are the business of the people who made them, and nobody else. I don't think lying about (adult, consensual) sexual behavior is particularly scandalous. In fact, I'd rather not know.

I feel much the same about religion: it's private. I wish there were less of both in our politics.

This doesn't mean I don't care about "values." I do care about values. I want to know where a candidate/ politician/ official stands on civil rights, on equal opportunity, on poverty, on health care, on the war in Iraq, on the war in Afghanistan, on the rule of law, on our 'safety net', on the war on our Constitution. I want to know how s/he balances compromise and expedience with values and ideals. I want to know that s/he has values and ideals, whether or not s/he lives up to them (since most of us struggle to do so.)

Whom a person chooses to have sex with, or how; or what religion they proclaim, doesn't tell me this. I've known too many rule-following, religion-professing, lying, hate-filled people to trust these claims. And too many gay, polyamorous, agnostic, adulterous, public-serving people to want to dismiss them from the game.

So, given that the Republicans have paraded Palin's very attractive family before the world, are we justified in claiming that the behavior of said family is grist for the political mill? I say no. Well, maybe. But only if it's demonstrated thatPalin expects other families, but not her own, to comply with certain rules and expectations. Even then, it's tricky, at best.

I've realized, participating in several recent political discussions, that I am not an ends justify the means sort of person. Because the 'other side' engages in disgusting, lying, unfair, hypocritical, disreputable politics does not give us (me) justification to do the same. In fact, I suspect that disgusting, lying, unfair, hypocritical, disreputable politics leads to a disgusting, lying, unfair, hypocritical, disreputable administration.

And I don't have to look far to support that conclusion.


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The choice of Sarah Palin -- whose politics are anathema to me -- as McCain's running mate, is a major step forward for women.

How can that be? How can the most blatant form of tokenism please anyone interested in seeing women come into real positions of power in this country? How can the nomination of a candidate whose positions are diametrically opposed to mine, a woman and a feminist, be heralded as some kind of achievement?

Really, why? Why must I and every other self-described feminist all get together and drink this particularly poisonous Kool-Aid?

Sarah Palin is adamantly NOT a step forward: She's a dirty trick.
Yes, her selection *is* a dirty trick; I entirely agree. But -- it's put those who have been furiously opposed to women's rights in the position of defending them; a situation I suspect was not anticipated.

And one which will, ultimately, rebound to our benefit.
Excellent point.

I think so, because I agree.

But then, this might be an unpopular opinion...
I don't think this will move women's rights forward in any way. I would bet my last nickel that Palin opposes the ERA, and she'll be able to support that opposition by saying that women already HAVE equal rights and point to herself as Exhibit A.

Do you guys not remember Phyliss Schlafley? Some of the greatest enemies of women's rights have been WOMEN--powerful women, connected women.

Do you guys not remember Clarence Thomas? Did you imagine that, once he was a SCJ he'd reverse his opinions on affirmative action and suddenly become a FRIEND to black Americans?

She's poisonous, all around.
Leigh,

Again, I do not disagree. My post is not meant as an endorsement of Palin, in any way. It's just an observation that, by selecting her, the right wing has put itself in a difficult, even hypocritical, position -- and that is good for women.

I do not mean to suggest that her *election* would be good for women. The election of this ticket will be bad for, not just women, but nearly all of us. The poor, the middle class, the ill -- most of us, in fact.
Do you know when Biden made that statement? Has he spoken to the issue recently?
It's just an observation that, by selecting her, the right wing has put itself in a difficult, even hypocritical, position -- and that is good for women.

I don't recall a single politician saying that Clinton should not have been president because she was a woman. But if I missed something, I will be glad to be corrected.
Well, I don't think I said 'politicians'?

I said, right-wing social conservatives. People who, in my youth (and past it) said that women should stay at home, especially women with children. Who said that women should not compete in a 'man's world'; that women certainly should not compete with men.

Now they think we should. Be in the working world, in the political world, competing with men. Actually, they may still have second thoughts about that -- but, too late now!
sbpoet, you are assuming that those people who say women belong barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen were actually being sincere. They just think their women belong in the kitchen, and use that line to discredit women they don't like. Like Clinton.

It's sort of naive to think that this is going to cause an ethical conundrum for right-wingers. As if they're sitting around thinking, Damn, I just can't for the life of me figure out which gored ox means more to me here!

Social conservatism's primary goal is to continue the consolidation of power in the hands of social conservatives. In general, women in power tend to oppose that agenda. So they don't like those women.

But Sarah Palin? Suits them just fine. As does hypocrisy. They will not give one tiny, itty bitty crap about being called hypocrites. Not one.
Leigh,

Hmm -- we seem to be talking at cross-purposes here, so instead of just responding off the top of my head, I'm going to think about it. Overnight.
sbpoet, I sincerely don't mean to misunderstand you, I really don't. I am very sincerely trying to wrap my head around this and failing. Let us take it up again tomorrow, if you've got the patience.

By the way, I liked your poems! (I am known to write a poem or two myself, occassionally.)
Hmm. I just posted a long comment, which seems to have vanished. I'll try again.

Does this happen often around here?
It's sort of naive to think that this is going to cause an ethical conundrum for right-wingers. As if they're sitting around thinking, Damn, I just can't for the life of me figure out which gored ox means more to me here!

You're right. It would make my head hurt, but it wouldn't necessarily hurt theirs. And they certainly won't care if I call them hypocrites.

But, I think they mean it. I think they are truly offended that anyone would suggest a woman/ mother can't do the job, just because she's a woman/ mother. I think they've stepped into a new paradigm (for them) and I doubt they'll be able to step back out when another woman / mother's competence is questioned.

But I could be wrong.

There's a great article on Salon today: Zombie feminists of the RNC. It has me thinking. And I think you'd like it.

Thank you for your patience, and thanks for reading my blog!
Hi sb,

I did read it (thanks for recommending it) and thought of you.

But...it bugged me. As I said before, I can't get a grip on the congnative dissonance. I saw nothing to be happy about in Palin's nomination then, and I haven't seen anything since to change my mind.

I guess it boils down to the fact that I don't trust those people as far as I could roll them uphill. Even when those people are women, or purporting to support a woman VP.

We shall have to wait and see, though, whether you're right and I am wrong and Palin's nomination actually does provoke some change.