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MARCH 17, 2010 8:05AM

Having a Garden Party?

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 On October 17, 1971, Ricky Nelson took the stage at Madison Square Garden. He was playing a Rock & Roll Reunion show with Bo Diddley, Little Richard and the great Chuck Berry. Nelson started singing his old hits, like "Hello Mary Lou", one of my personnel favorites, and people where loving it. But Nelson also played Country rock, so he started singing a country version of the Rolling Stones "Honky Tonk Woman".  When Nelson heard the crowd start booing, he promptly walked off stage.

A hit song was written that night by Ricky Nelson, called "Garden Party", and it's a song that when I hear it, I  can't help but start singing the lyrics.  I was a Ricky Nelson fan for as long as I can remember. I even remember watching "The Adventures of Ozzie and Harriet" in which he starred with his brother and parents. But mainly, I loved his songs.

"Hello Mary Lou", "Travelin' Man",  "Poor Little Fool", "I'm Walking", are just a few of the hits from Ricky Nelson. The guy had it all. Great looks, great voice, a good songwriter and was loved all over the world. From the late fifties to the early sixties he owned the airways. But all good thing come to and end, and so it did with him. A little group from Liverpool, England came to America, and his type of music died a quick and painful death. That band was the Beatles. 

By this time his hair had grown shoulder length and he was heavily into the country rock genre. When he mixed in new material with his old music, the audience began to boo. Some say there was an altercation, and the fans weren't booing Nelson at all. But, either way, he walked off the stage and wrote these lyrics on a paper napkin. "I learned my lesson well, you see you,  can't please everyone, so you got to please yourself". But it was who and what others he was talking about that had people speculating about the lyrics.

 There was no mistaken the lyric, "Yoko brought her Walrus, there was music in the air". Everyone knows that Lennon had written a song "I am the Walrus". But other verses were harder to decipher. Such as "Mr Hughes hid in Dylan's shoes, wearing his disguise.". Mr Hughes was really a great friend and neighbor of Nelson's, George Harrison of the Beatles.  Harrison when travelling, often gave his name in hotels as Mr. Hughes and was going to do an  album of Bob Dylan covers, although it never came to fruition.

Then there was "If you're going to a Garden Party, I wish you a lot of luck, If memories where all I sang, I'd rather drive a truck." This is widely believed to be a tip of the hat to Elvis Presley, who drove a truck before he went on to become the King of Rock & Roll. Whatever the lyrics, this song went to number one with a bullet, and for a time Nelson was just as popular as ever. It didn't last long.

 

 

 In 1985, Nelson joined a nostalgia tour of England. After returning home, he began a tour of the South. After a show in Alabama, while on his way to a New Years Eve Sock-Hop in Dallas Texas, his plane crashed in De Kalb,Texas and he, along with his fiancee' and other band members died.  He was buried in Forest Hills, CA. Inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall of fame in 1987, Bob Dylan wrote a tribute to Nelson about his influence on his own music.The one and only Stephen King used him as an inspiration in a short story called "You Know They Got a Hell of a Band".  Rolling Stone Magazine ranked him 91st on their "100th Greatest Artists of all Time". 

This post will not probably get a lot of hits, or comments or anything really. Sometimes I write them for myself. This is one of those times. Ricky Nelson had a big impact on a lot of people my age. But even though it was the caveman days and we used rocks for records, there is a path that young people can and need to learn to get the full appreciation for todays music. Rock & Roll came from  various and diverse  back grounds. The Blues, Jazz, and especially the Black churches, where Elvis himself used to go. Ricky Nelson carved out his own name in the history of Rock & Roll!

From 1957 to 1962, Nelson had thirty Top-40 hits, more than any other artist at the time except Presley (who had 53) and Pat Boone (38). Many of Nelson's early records were double hits with both the A and B sides hitting the Billboard charts. 

  • Sources:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ricky_Nelson
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  • This sentence was accidentally copied from straightdope.com 
  • By this time his hair had grown shoulder length and he was heavily into the country rock genre. When he mixed in new material with his old music, the audience began to boo.
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  • I will apology for this sentence, put the rest is mine. I researched this, put it in my words, and made an error with these two sentences out of an eight paragraph article! 
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    Don't worry 'bout the hits, Scanner. "You got to please yourself."
    (Post too soon!) But in giving the background to the song, you also pleased me, anyway. Thanks.
    Write for Scanner here.
    This dude Ricky was a great one. Gone but not forgotten.
    I always thought he could sing, play and write good songs Scanner.
    I liked the guy and had a lot of respect for his effort to actually remain an artist. A lot of folks never got why he didn't want to play the reunion shows anymore or just keep doing the same stuff over and over. He was more talented than he ever got credit for. In this case the fame was a hindrance and not a help. Had he not been Ozzie and Harriet's son he would have made it anyway. Too bad he was trapped by fame into fighting a stereotype all his life.
    you are just a wealth of information, what a smart guy!!
    The first thing I thought of when I read your title was Ricky Nelson, I had such a crush on him and just thought he was to die for. Cute, and sweet and oh the memories. One of my favorite songs of his, so thank you, one for disecting it, I didn't have a clue and two for reminding me of simpler times. One small thing.....I am going to have that song in my head all day today BUT this weekend when I finally stop this hell week I am in I am going to add him to my Ipod...yes I am!
    I like this a lot. It was a great song. _r
    Thanks P, I just always thought he was cool!
    Mission, he was a great one, but doesn't seem to get any recognition!
    Bob, yeah, I agree. But you got to admit, when the Beatles stormed America, they put a lot of artists out of work!
    Kathy, thank you my friend! (and google)
    Stud, coolness personified!
    LL2, I thought you might have a crush on him. I think we are about the same age!
    Joan, thanks. That song will get in your head, and stay there~
    lumina59, yes, he had it all. One thing I didn't have room for in the article, was Nelson's sexual appetite. He often would go with 2,3, or 4 women a day when he was in his prime! They didn't have the term them for men, but he was a sexual addict! Thanks~
    Wow! Who knew? I appreciate the song background and the juicy personal info you just added. ;-) You are right--you just HAVE to sing the song!

    BTW, loved your mention of Neil in your poem. He's my hero.
    Hey, Pilgrim stole my line! "So you got to please yourself." Thanks for the trip and the clips.
    I'd rather drive a truck too.
    You are a wealth of information. I can't imagine missing a single post. They are always so informative and so well written.
    I thought Garden Party was a slam on the music business as a whole and that the Mr Hughes line was intimating that certain artists like Dylan were out for money (like Howard Hughes). Now, thanks to the Scanman, I'm relieved to learn that take is wrong.
    Must be a crap thing for a singer to be fixed in a time warp by his or her audience.

    I liked Ricky Nelson -- and loved Garden Party -- even though I was more of an R&B and rockabilly fan back in the day. Touching tribute, ScanMan. He deserves it.
    They say he and band members were freebasing on that flight. All I know is that my sister met him shortly before he died; she still talks of him as the legend he was and is.
    Scanner, everytime I run against the tide and get critized for it, and everytime chose a less than popular stand on which to write, I think about this song. At least once a week I will listen to it and come away convinced that, whether I'm right or wrong, I am doing what I need to do....march to my own beat. That was the message of that song and I am forever grateful that it is around to remind me to stay true to myself and not worry about what others think so much.
    Yeah. Hits not important. I loved Ricky Nelson too. Even on teevee, in Ozzie and Harriet. Such a cutie. Maybe one of my first crushes.

    Sheesh. We're old, eh?
    I do like reading about how music impacts or influences people. This is a good tribute, scanner. Thanks for sharing.
    Like so many others, he died too early. We will never know, what he might have become. A true artist changes with time.
    I was a bit younger when he was popular but I always thought he was excruciatingly handsome and wholesome-looking. I remember the shock when I heard he'd died and the rumors surrounding the crash.

    I appreciate all of the little tidbits of information in this post, scanner. I had no idea about a lot of the little things (lyrics, connections, names, etc.)...very interesting.

    Oh, and what Pilgrim said. :-)
    Why does it seem that so many musicians die in plane/train or car accidents?


    {[R]}
    i was there, too, scanner, and remember him fondly but mostly for the earlier stuff and, of course, the fact that he was soooooo cute. big crush i had. huge. he could sing, too? ;
    Where there goes my next topic idea... about "pleasing myself" ...oh well that probably should go on a different blog anyway. :-X
    Great music, great songs -- good post.. thanks
    Good Daughter, I put Neil Young there because of Kent State. Thanks!
    Bell. pleasing yourself is good in so many ways!
    Fay, thanks. I try and vary my posts. Make them interesting!
    Daniel. I always wondered about that Hughes reference my self!
    Boaner, when they play that song, and start singing, my wife hates it. Thanks~
    Chuck, that was rumored. But that and some other things I left out because it was too long!
    Torman, so do I. He went against thee grain, which made him a better man in my eyes!
    green, I'm just a Babe. I watched the old re-runs, hah!
    Smithery, thanks for stopping by!
    Kenny, I bought some of his country/rock albums and thought they were great. But, once you get pigeon-holed, thats it!
    Outside, again I left out some stuff because of the length. I also wanted to talk about his twin sons, who have had some hits them selves.
    Larry, this was a second-hand plane that had been having problems before he bought it!
    Femme, cute, could sing. Like me, and we were both modest, hah!
    K, I will look forward to that X-rated post, thanks~
    Pleased me, too, bubba. Nicely written tribute. (r)
    Thanks for a great trip down memory lane. He was one cool dude. Rated.
    Great information about a great artist. Thank also for deciphering some of his lyrics.
    A very interesting post.
    Reated by Ozzie and Harriet: r
    Nice tribute, dude, rated.
    Nice rock of a record for your tribute here! His is an interesting story... Thanks for the tune in my head!
    sweet post, Scanner. You really are an old softie. R.
    Grew up on Ozzie and Harriet and Ricky Nelson. Didn't know the back story to Garden Party. Interesting. Thanks. -r
    Loved Ricky Nelson...and I'm probably the only one so far but Garden Party was the least of my favorite songs he did. Although, your teaching me about the background of it means more than the song did. Thanks guy! ~R
    Thanks Clark, you're a good man!
    SheilaTGTG55, He was almost as cool as the Dude, aha!
    Steve, Thank my man!
    Thoth, the Dude Abides!
    JulieShanti, I've been humming that song all day!
    Patty, aw, shucks. Thanks
    Aunt Mabel, no food posts here, usualy! Thanks~
    DensieW, I loved the show too! Very wholesome!
    TME, I love his old ones too! Mary Lou belongs to me!!
    Late but liked it. thanks Scanner
    "This post will not probably get a lot of hits, or comments or anything really. Sometimes I write them for myself. This is one of those times."

    me too! Hey, Scanner.
    Hey too bad you don't have time to think because you've had so many hits, huh? I wasn't going to comment because you didn't think anyone would but I hate making predictions come true.

    Oh by the way... those caveman rocks are making a comeback. Kids these days love the vinyl. Spin on, Dude. (how's Teri?)
    Word for word information.
    Trilogy, anytime!
    Chris, Terri's fine, thanks my man!

    Bonnie Dear, are we a little jealous? Of course I went on Wikipedia, I don't have a photographic memory like you. I hadn't heard of answers.com and the straight dope.com, but I may use them next time. When I think of a post, which some of us do besides just repeat headlines out of the paper, we have to verify facts, or just get a clearer story. I doubt Wiki mentioned anything about cavemen and rocks. If you and your friend the famous Ablonde think I have to read off cue, like you obviously do, go back and check my work. Again, get the hell off my site. Or didn't you read it the first time I told you!!
    It's very easy to identify the portions of your post that you did not plagiarize scanner; they are the sections of your post with the misspellings and grammar mistakes. You lifted many sentences word from word from Wikipedia and answers.com. The portion of your post about the hidden meanings of the song I found, word for word, at straightdope.com, though with a name like "straightdope" I would not be surprised if they plagiarized it from somewhere else.

    Plagiarism, as defined in the 1995 Random House Compact Unabridged Dictionary, is the "use or close imitation of the language and thoughts of another author and the representation of them as one's own original work." -- from Wikipedia quote>
    Ablomde, fuck you. Bonnie, fuck you. Well, thats about all I have I guess!
    Love the back story on the songs. I like Ricky too.
    I'm really surprised at your reaction to Ablonde and Bonnie here. Plagiarism is serious and this is a writer's site no less. You said you have never heard of thestraightdope.com?

    From your post: By this time his hair had grown shoulder length and he was heavily into the country rock genre. When he mixed in new material with his old music, the audience began to boo.

    http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2173/in-ricky-nelsons-garden-party-who-is-mr-hughes

    From the August 10, 2004 article: "By this time his hair had grown shoulder length and he was heavily into the country rock genre. When he mixed in new material with his old music, the audience began to boo."

    Word for word.

    From your post: Mr Hughes was really a great friend and neighbor of Nelson's, George Harrison of the Beatles. Harrison when travelling, often gave his name in hotels as Mr. Hughes and was going to do an album of Bob Dylan covers, although it never came to fruition.

    From the 2004 article: "Rick Nelson was good friends and next-door neighbor to Harrison, and was also a good friend of Bob Dylan. "Mr. Hughes" was the alias Harrison used while traveling, and "hid in Dylan's shoes" apparently refers to an album of Bob Dylan covers Harrison was planning that never came to fruition."

    You should be ashamed. It goes on and on with the other sites mentioned. You don't have to resort to stunt like this. It not only makes you look shameful, it also slaps each and every one of your readers in the face. You think they are too stupid to know?

    This post will not probably get a lot of hits, or comments or anything really. Sometimes I write them for myself. This is one of those times.

    Copying someone else's work or rearranging a few words isn't writing. It's stealing. Period.
    Ms Tar[p, as I told your friends, I did not know about the lyrics either. I found out on Wikipedia the same time I wrote it. I have never used anything but Wikipedia. Does it mention a paper napkin, something I seem many years ago. How about the Beatles from across the pond. How about the various styles of music. How about this hole paragraph
    "Hello Mary Lou", "Travelin' Man", "Poor Little Fool", "I'm Walking", are just a few of the hits from Ricky Nelson. The guy had it all. Great looks, great voice, a good songwriter and was loved all over the world. From the late fifties to the early sixties he owned the airways. But all good thing come to and end, and so it did with him. A little group from Liverpool, England came to America, and his type of music died a quick and painful death. That band was the Beatles." And this paragraph:
    A hit song was written that night by Ricky Nelson, called "Garden Party", and it's a song that when I hear it, I can't help but start singing the lyrics. I was a Ricky Nelson fan for as long as I can remember. I even remember watching "The Adventures of Ozzie and Harriet" in which he starred with his brother and parents. But mainly, I loved his songs. Of course when you look something up, you have to use the time and the dates. What do you do, change the dates. Get a fucking life!
    Why exactly should I "get a fucking life"? I'm a writer. This concerns me and should every one else who posts their work here. People take time to craft pieces, not to have someone else attach their name to it and take in the accolades for it. This has nothing to do with "friends" or not - I'm glad someone pointed it out. Right here, out in the open.

    Just because you wrote a couple of paragraphs yourself, doesn't negate the others, scanner. You're better than this and you should apologize to this entire site.

    I just want to be very clear here, are you saying that the only thing you used for this was Wikipedia? Those exact sentences from the article of the same content from 2004 were a coincidence? Really?
    It's really getting to be a shame when you write something, that slimeballs like the ones accusing me of plagiarism rise up. I had an idea of writing a post on Ricky Nelson the other day after hearing "Garden Party" on the radio. I went to Wikipedia, the only source material I know of to look up some facts, (I have never heard of straightdope.com or the other one answers.com ) Dates and other things I used. . I didn't know any better than anyone else that Nelson was talking about George Harrison when he sung about Mr. Hughes wearing Dylan's shoes. I did not know when Harrison traveled he went under the name of Mr. Hughes So, of course I used it in the piece. It was a piece about the song, and how much I love Ricky Nelson. The times and dates, of course I had no idea what they were. This was a piece about Ricky Nelson, someone I've always loved and respected. About his death. I could have used stuff about his rumored freebasing cocaine on the plane the night he died if I wanted to juice up the story. He also had a sexual appetite for women, where he had sex with as many as 3 o 4 women in a day, if I wanted to juice the story up. This was a straight-up story about my love for Ricky Nelson and his music, and if they don't like it, they can kiss my ass!
    You seem to be devoid of any understanding of the concept of plagiarism. Shall we review?

    From your favorite (and according to you) only source of research, Wikipedia:

    Plagiarism, as defined in the 1995 Random House Compact Unabridged Dictionary, is the "use or close imitation of the language and thoughts of another author and the representation of them as one's own original work."
    Ablombe, You seem to be devoid of any understanding of the concept of FUCK YOU!
    And you sir are revealing yourself to be both an ignorant and a mannerless cur.
    We each have a soundtrack of our lives, the songs that define us. Thanks for sharing your tunes with us, Scanner.
    Back about the time I was nineteen or twenty, I saw Ricky Nelson perform at the Bitter End in Greenwich Village. I still remember that night like it was yesterday. David, his brother, was his manager, and he stood outside the club in a wrinkled suit greeting everyone. I was so excited. The show was terrific!
    R
    Scanner, next time you post something from a source, you might want to reference that source.
    Dear Scanner:
    Whew, I didn't know until just today about this huge affront to the art of literature and research!!! Thanks for the walk down memory lane.
    TO:
    @ablonde
    @bonnie
    @tarp
    Last time I looked Wikipedia was founded on the concept of OPEN SOURCE CREATIVE COMMONS. That means, unless otherwise noted the material there can be SHARED FREELY with others.
    Back at 'cha you freaks (meant in a BAD way).
    it's worth noting that Wikipedia is not a source. Not a valid one, at least.

    Wikipedia is editable by anyone. Absolutely anyone. "Facts" are only checked by others who also edit that content. It is "crowdsourced knowledge." Inherent is the theory that the subject matter experts will override the pedestrians who're just guessing.

    When referencing anything found or referenced on Wikipedia, best practice dictates following back to the quoted reference and verifying the information.

    It is also entirely possible (not matter how plausible) that someone could lift segments of this post and write them to Wikipedia. I could, were I inclined to prove a point, lift supposed factual info (verified or no) and post it to the related subject page on Wikipedia. Then I just need provide everyone with url's as "proof" of plagiarism.

    Unless you, yourself, wrote (and have copyright) something that someone else has copied without accreditation, the only reason to point that out publicly is in an attempt to shame or humiliate, or otherwise discredit.

    You could have stopped following and let it go. You chose to come here and attack. That says more about you.
    Scanner this is so sad and unfair that you were attacked like this. We all take this writing thing way to seriously. This is a bloggers post with writers on it. It's so ridiculously sad that this happens.
    rated for the "fuck you".
    Oh by the way everyone. We are all writers. We express our feelings, we tell our stories and experiences. We honor those we love. Lighten the fuck up.
    Hi, Scanner. Great Post on Ricky Nelson! I now have the song Garden Party stuck in my head. Rated. I had the biggest crush on the Nelson Twins ( his sons) when I was a teenager. I see the internet Trolls have been by . It's sad that a few people have to try to cause probs.
    First, let me tell you that I heard that story from Rick Nelson's own lips and it didn't differ much at all from the Wiki version.

    But since you appear to be a great fan, I'll tell you more.

    Rick Nelson came to Dallas, appeared at a popular dinner club called the Losers, owned by Tony Caterine, shortly before his death. I worked in the same shopping center and took in the show with a gf who wanted to meet Rick.

    I called the nearby Hilton Inn, in a confident asked to be put through to RN's room and was immediately connected. The phone was answered by "Willy Nelson", who turned out to be Rick's cousin. My friend and I were provided with a room number and off we went -- to meet Rick Nelson in the flesh.

    We met both Willy and Rick. Rick, in the flesh, was beautiful. What doesn't show in his promo shots is that his skin was flawless, his eyes bluer than any ocean, and his hair, with reddish highlights, moved and fell right back in place and rivaled that of any girl.

    He was dressed casually, jeans and a tucked in work shirt, with a beautiful woven belt. He took the belt off and let me see it explaining his wife had made it. He pulled photos of his daughter and twin boys out of his billfold and showed them off - a very proud dad.

    He talked about his work, told the Garden Party story, and said he loved open gigs at small country fairs most of all. We talked about whether we could sneak him into my '69 orange Camaro convertible, from the hotel, and all take a spin out to White Rock Lake -- with the top down. He was concerned he would be recognized and mobbed -- but the longing was in those eyes.

    Before leaving, once we were all very relaxed, I told the story about this fellow who had flipped out, had a panic attack from his fear of flying, and fell in the aisle near my seat on a recent flight from Dallas to Las Vegas. E'one was roaring -- except Rick.

    He was beet red and asked me "Did he really grab your leg?!?!? " and I nodded. Then Rick told us that he, himself, was that afraid of flying - that though he had undergone therapy to rid himself of the fear - he still avoided flying if at all possible; preferring to travel in the band bus.

    Let me tell you, this was one nice fellow. I'm grateful still that I/we had that time with him and grateful for the good memories. My heart was broken to learn of his death not long afterwards - in a plane.
    Finally got to witness the "dust up.". It's the same cabal going around looking for trouble. The same bullshit self righteous quality. Don't let these types get you down, scanner. They are too obvious in their intent to be taken seriously.

    good vibes to ya.
    wow, i have to say, after reading the straight dope article, this is at least partially plagiarized.

    to the person who said wikipedia was founded with a creative commons mentality, the keyword there is "creative". taking someone else's sentences wholesale without attribution is still plagiarism. it pisses me off because i actually take a lot of care to write my own posts, yet i've never gotten the attention that this piece has. as you wrote to kathy, "Kathy, thank you my friend! (and google)." so you admit you did the research, you keep track of the sources.

    just own up to it, would you? this guy has the same sentences in his post too:
    http://www.two-laneblacktopdragstrip.com/news-from-daniel.htm

    and here are 200 more:
    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=hEB&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=%22When+he+mixed+in+new+material+with+his+old+music%2C+the+audience+began+to+boo%22&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=
    Scanner- This is a wonderful tribute to a really awesome artist, and song writer. Nelson was one of my favorites too. It was a really sad day when his plane crashed. There were many from that era of music that had their lives cut short in plane crashes.
    I always loved the song "Garden Party", I used to play it when I was having problems with someone, or one of the girls were having problems with kids at school. I would play it really loud, and then within a few minutes, we all three would start singing it, laughing, dancing around the house.
    "You can't peace everyone, you got to please yourself." - That phrase is something we all need to remember, and use in our daily lives.
    This is one incredibly well written, and spoken piece. Very enjoyable to read.. Great Job!!
    You are still my one of my best buddies here on OS.. Always will be. Don't take what others say to heart, and don't take it personal. "You got to please yourself."
    Thank you for being YOU. {{HUGS}}
    Rated. Great tribute to a great artist. All of the above is information that is pretty much all well known by every music lover. Don't pay attention to the OS police. None of us get paid a "penny" (literally), even if you sign up for the dreaded Adnonsense.
    so, wait, the exact same words in the exact same order about the exact same story appear on at least a half dozen (or as many as 200) different sites.

    ... but Scanner plagiarized

    did straight dope credit wikipedia, which got its content from about.com? I want to know which one of them I should tell to be ashamed - those authors should probably go back to amateur blogging
    hey if their is some shit 2 b flung i wanna get in on it!!! fuck u, skanks! scanner, u r my hero!!!!!!!!!
    Baby, once again late to the game, but I think that I can clear everything up. You used reference material, as all writers do, ALL writers do, sweetheart......we do we do we fucking DO.

    You are not being paid for your work here, and did not pay for the background material. The background material was copyright free. No fucking harm, no FUCKING foul.

    In the real world of working as a PAID writer, kiddo, you are totally cool. Fuck the fuck out of the idiots. (If you used MY work, that would be another matter.) You incorporated material that is free and available to everyone, and you did it beautifully.

    (and I adore you.....and I say screw them!)
    To elaborate on Ginny's post, ty Ginny and I agree, please take your shoes off, pour yourself a drink, sit down get pad & pencil and write this down. Remove your black & white garb and prepare to sit in the gray.

    What Scanner presented is called "Common Knowledge" not plagiarism. If the topic of plagiarism would have been discussed in an adult fashion, prior to continuing the hoopla, a potential for resolve would have been possible. Not probable considering the outcome as witnessed but possible. In order to be considered common knowledge there is a criteria to be met in order to determine this. That criteria is based on quantity; where and how available is the information presented. If the information provided can be found in a number of places, i.e. Wiki as well as all other sources that have been named and if the information is readily available, or known by others, as well as found in a general reference area it is not plagiarism.

    I'd stay but have a 6PM lecture to attend to. My doors are open for those of you that may need a dash of insight above and beyond your Webster bible.

    Now if you'll excuse me, there are folks out there that are seriously interested in learning.
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