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FEBRUARY 1, 2012 10:51PM

Great Writers Views on God & Writing

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Ever wonder about other people's views on death, religion and the existence of God? I found this video of great writers, giving their opinion on religion and thought it would be of  interest to a a few people. Some great minds here, and I'm taking it down tomorrow. Just some things to think about! 
 

 1. Sir Arthur C. Clarke, Science Fiction Writer

2. Nadine Gordimer, Nobel Laureate in Literature

3. Professor Isaac Asimov, Author and Biochemist

4. Arthur Miller, Pulitzer Prize-Winning Playwright

5. Wole Soyinka, Nobel Laureate in Literature

6. Gore Vidal, Award-Winning Novelist and Political Activist

7. Douglas Adams, Best-Selling Science Fiction Writer

8. Professor Germaine Greer, Writer and Feminist

9. Iain Banks, Best-Selling Fiction Writer

10. José Saramago, Nobel Laureate in Literature

11. Sir Terry Pratchett, NYT Best-Selling Novelist

12. Ken Follett, NYT Best-Selling Author

13. Ian McEwan, Man Booker Prize-Winning Novelist

14. Andrew Motion, Poet Laureate (1999-2009)

15. Professor Martin Amis, Award-Winning Novelist

16. Michel Houellebecq, Goncourt Prize-Winning French Novelist

17. Philip Roth, Man Booker Prize-Winning Novelist

18. Margaret Atwood, Booker Prize-Winning Author and Poet

19. Sir Salman Rushdie, Booker Prize-Winning Novelist

20. Norman MacCaig, Renowned Scottish Poet

21. Phillip Pullman, Best-Selling British Author

22. Dr Matt Ridley, Award-Winning Science Writer

23. Harold Pinter, Nobel Laureate in Literature

24. Howard Brenton, Award-Winning English Playwright

25. Tariq Ali, Award-Winning Writer and Filmmaker

26. Theodore Dalrymple, English Writer and Psychiatrist

27. Roddy Doyle, Booker Prize-Winning Novelist

28. Redmond O’Hanlon FRSL, British Writer and Scholar

29. Diana Athill, Award-Winning Author and Literary Editor

30. Christopher Hitchens, Best-Selling Author, Award-Winning Columnist

 

 

 Some people wanted me to leave this up, so I will add some advice from some great writers, on the art of writing. Henry Miller, Elmore Leonard, Margaret Atwood, Neil Gaiman & George Orwel I found it helpful, although I think you have to find your own way through the maze!

Henry Miller (from Henry Miller on Writing)

1. Work on one thing at a time until finished.
2. Start no more new books, add no more new material to “Black Spring.”
3. Don’t be nervous. Work calmly, joyously, recklessly on whatever is in hand.
4. Work according to the program and not according to mood. Stop at the appointed time!
5. When you can’t create you can work.
6. Cement a little every day, rather than add new fertilizers.
7. Keep human! See people; go places, drink if you feel like it.
8. Don’t be a draught-horse! Work with pleasure only.
9. Discard the Program when you feel like it–but go back to it the next day. Concentrate. Narrow down. Exclude.
10. Forget the books you want to write. Think only of the book you are writing.
11. Write first and always. Painting, music, friends, cinema, all these come afterwards.

George Orwell (From Why I Write)

1. Never use a metaphor, simile, or other figure of speech which you are used to seeing in print.
2. Never use a long word where a short one will do.
3. If it is possible to cut a word out, always cut it out.
4. Never use the passive where you can use the active.
5. Never use a foreign phrase, a scientific word, or a jargon word if you can think of an everyday English equivalent.
6. Break any of these rules sooner than say anything outright barbarous.

Margaret Atwood (originally appeared in The Guardian)

1. Take a pencil to write with on aeroplanes. Pens leak. But if the pencil breaks, you can’t sharpen it on the plane, because you can’t take knives with you. Therefore: take two pencils.
2. If both pencils break, you can do a rough sharpening job with a nail file of the metal or glass type.
3. Take something to write on. Paper is good. In a pinch, pieces of wood or your arm will do.
4. If you’re using a computer, always safeguard new text with a ­memory stick.
5. Do back exercises. Pain is distracting.
6. Hold the reader’s attention. (This is likely to work better if you can hold your own.) But you don’t know who the reader is, so it’s like shooting fish with a slingshot in the dark. What ­fascinates A will bore the pants off B.
7. You most likely need a thesaurus, a rudimentary grammar book, and a grip on reality. This latter means: there’s no free lunch. Writing is work. It’s also gambling. You don’t get a pension plan. Other people can help you a bit, but ­essentially you’re on your own. ­Nobody is making you do this: you chose it, so don’t whine.
8. You can never read your own book with the innocent anticipation that comes with that first delicious page of a new book, because you wrote the thing. You’ve been backstage. You’ve seen how the rabbits were smuggled into the hat. Therefore ask a reading friend or two to look at it before you give it to anyone in the publishing business. This friend should not be someone with whom you have a ­romantic relationship, unless you want to break up.
9. Don’t sit down in the middle of the woods. If you’re lost in the plot or blocked, retrace your steps to where you went wrong. Then take the other road. And/or change the person. Change the tense. Change the opening page.
10. Prayer might work. Or reading ­something else. Or a constant visual­isation of the holy grail that is the finished, published version of your resplendent book.

Neil Gaiman (read his free short stories here)

1. Write.
2. Put one word after another. Find the right word, put it down.
3. Finish what you’re writing. Whatever you have to do to finish it, finish it.
4. Put it aside. Read it pretending you’ve never read it before. Show it to friends whose opinion you respect and who like the kind of thing that this is.
5. Remember: when people tell you something’s wrong or doesn’t work for them, they are almost always right. When they tell you exactly what they think is wrong and how to fix it, they are almost always wrong.
6. Fix it. Remember that, sooner or later, before it ever reaches perfection, you will have to let it go and move on and start to write the next thing. Perfection is like chasing the horizon. Keep moving.
7. Laugh at your own jokes.
8. The main rule of writing is that if you do it with enough assurance and confidence, you’re allowed to do whatever you like. (That may be a rule for life as well as for writing. But it’s definitely true for writing.) So write your story as it needs to be written. Write it ­honestly, and tell it as best you can. I’m not sure that there are any other rules. Not ones that matter.

William Safire (the author of the New York Times Magazine column “On Language”)

1. Remember to never split an infinitive.
2. The passive voice should never be used.
3. Do not put statements in the negative form.
4. Verbs have to agree with their subjects.
5. Proofread carefully to see if you words out.
6. If you reread your work, you can find on rereading a great deal of repetition can be by rereading and editing.
7. A writer must not shift your point of view.
8. And don’t start a sentence with a conjunction. (Remember, too, a preposition is a terrible word to end a sentence with.)
9. Don’t overuse exclamation marks!!
10. Place pronouns as close as possible, especially in long sentences, as of 10 or more words, to their antecedents.
11. Writing carefully, dangling participles must be avoided.
12. If any word is improper at the end of a sentence, a linking verb is.
13. Take the bull by the hand and avoid mixing metaphors.
14. Avoid trendy locutions that sound flaky.
15. Everyone should be careful to use a singular pronoun with singular nouns in their writing.
16. Always pick on the correct idiom.
17. The adverb always follows the verb.

18. Last but not least, avoid cliches like the plague; seek viable alternatives. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Margaret Atwood a Canadian is an amazing writer.. but Gore Vidal to me is just everything.
HUGGGGGGGGGGG
dont take it down!!!!
A nice summary of why religion is nonsense and actually malevolent. It doesn't seem to have much appeal to a huge number of people in thw world. What is to be done?
Thanks for sharing this. Beats watching reruns of Scrubs.
Very engaging clip scanner, though as an atheist it of course appealed to my convictions. I thought that Hitchens (and his drinking buddies Amis and McEwan) was very eloquent and Doug Adams came off quite well too. Like Linda, I'm a major Gore Vidal fan but this clip didn't show him at his best. I hadn't seen this before so thanks for posting it.
First, Mr. Scanner Man, DO NOT TAKE THIS DOWN TOMORROW!!! (Please)

One of the major problems we humans have is that we're afraid to stand by our ideas and thoughts when the purveyors of nonsense get blathering away at us in great numbers. This must stop. We have to speak up, stand up, grow up. Until we do that our minds, our wonderful minds, will continue to be used as trash receptacles for that most poisonous garbage called religion.
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scan man this one is for you brau - I have been on God, but prefer Belgian Ale. Chimay to be exact. If you see me laying in the gutter dont send me to church, just hand me a little blue. Or a Fin Du Monde will do well when the Blue cant be found. I found Blue in Pismo Beach. He has the train schedule mesmerized , but hardly any one here even knows there is a actually a train to LA. And yes you can get to LA from here. But who would want to ? God herself built Pismo beach. I dont think I can ever leave. Am I finally in Heaven ? Is the war over? Where is captain YO YO? And If I am not dead, and in heaven, I prefer a little more edge. Thank you Darling!
Couldn't be more thought provoking. R
I wish I had time to listen to their points of view....not that theirs would be any more valid than yours or mine.....but it would be interesting. Besides the historical documentation of God, all we have to do is look around us and know that God exists. How else could the complexity of life be explained?
All you have to do is look around you and understand the basic forces and processes of their interactions to acknowledge that life is the result of their interactions. Ignorance is not proof of God.
@I love life,
If the complexity of all around you leads you to think that there must be a god who created it, who then created that even more complex being that you call god? And what "historical documentation" do you refer to? The scribblings of believers who saw god behind every bit of good luck that befell them and satan behind every misfortune? That something is "believed" by millions does not make it so. Ask those who believed the earth is flat.
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I BELIEVE.... that this is an excellent post! please be-leave it up for a longer time!
Life in Lubbock, Texas, taught me two things: One is that God loves you and you're going to burn in hell. The other is that sex is the most awful, filthy thing on earth and you should save it for someone you love. ~Butch Hancock
Off to work - title caught my eye -- be back to watch it later - looks very interesting!
Interesting. Thanks, Scanman.
Wow, this is jam-packed with good stuff. Thanks, Scanner! R
Thanks for this listing.
religion is the opiate of TIMID people
I enjoyed hearing the thoughts of the writers in their own voices. These are the great minds and we should listen to them. The best part of the writing section was William Safire. I laughed at how he made the mistakes to illustrate his list. Clever.
you've done us a service here thank you! r.
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How dare we try to find (Logos - Hidden - and without form - anthropocentric don't help much - We a speck in the cosmos) -
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And I can't explain that.
I hope after this journey?
We get to take catnaps.
Heaven needs beer.
Good folk lap beer.
We cats need naps.
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I took a nap. Now?
I visit the tavern?
gods made brew.
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Scrubs? huh?
O gods scrub?
take cat-bath?

Ay comments!
Rub belly in a
Hot-Tub. Oho!

I never speak politics
No chew tobacco or
kiss a woman that do
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I just came to shut up

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Fun
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I'll listen and read later.
Thanks for the You-Tub.
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two OCD men
comparing how many hours
they spend washing
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tease . . .
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married many moons,
still calling spouse
still calling spouse
still calling spouse
gloom-gloom-dooms
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gaud - Oh, mercy my
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Later? I'm pondering
I don't know what to
Believe? Gulp beer.
Good beer for folk.
Jan Sand burp beer.
He best sip catnip tea.
He too old to puff pot.
I am too. I get woman?
I sure hope. I'll Bathe.
Hoe huh Scrub in Tub.
This is innocent-annoy.
Don't have the time just now but this sounds extemely interesting. I will return to it and enjoy it someday soon. Thanks Scanner. I glanced at it and find Gaiman's and Henry Miller's advice to the least haughty, and something I might listen to.
Thanks for keeping this up, Scanner. I've bookmarked. ♥
William Safire is a RIOT!!!!

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The earth isn't...flat?
What strikes me about the opinions I listen to on the video, and I got most of the way through it, is that they address religion generically but they do a lousy job of addressing mine, including Phillip Roth. How does a religion where the most ardent, Orthodox, fanatical practitioners say as a matter of doctrine that it is better to be a good person and an atheist than a bad person and a Jew fit into their framework? (I'm not claiming that everyone who ostensibly accepts that doctrine actually practices it but there are a lot of people who do.) How do they approach a religion that approaches its mythology primarily from the standpoint of moral lessons to be learned rather than from the standpoint of factuality? How do they approach the development of a point of view that has led to the changing or augmenting of divine law to make it more humane, but a point of view that is entirely within religion? How do they deal with a religion that ignores the afterlife almost completely? A religion most of whose adherents don't believe in Hell and certainly don't believe in anything like the Christian concept of Satan?

And then there's the question of rationality. There are two ways of approaching this and they've only taken one into account. The first way is: Does the preponderance of evidence suggest a Divine presence? Probably not, but that's not a completely cut and dried answer. Human history over the past century has become way more moral. You think I'm kidding? What does slavery look like now compared to then? Opportunities for women? Opportunities for ethnic and religious minorities? Opportunities for gay people? It's easy while getting frustrated to fail to notice the global improvements. If you're looking for a basis for faith, is that a possible one? The world may appear to be going to Hell in a handbasket, but there are some places where today is better than yesterday.

The second way of approaching reality is to ignore the requirement for proof and instead address the practical aspects. Judaism leads most of us to worry about people who don't have - money, rights, food. We are probably the most efficient and successful machine for producing politically engaged humanists who fight for and lobby against their own financial interests as a matter of conscience. If our formula produces such people and the production of such people is of value to you, following the formula is awfully far from irrational - quite the opposite. Some superstitions are useful, even if they are superstitions; believing in God in the Conservative and Reform wings of the local Jewish community may be one of those. Whether or not He exists, His alleged presence may aim behavior in ways we deem desirable.

There are different ways of treating faith. We don't all give equally. Let's be careful about generalizing.
I have noticed, whenever I've spoken with those who have a clear concept of "God" as a moral, ethical, loving, caring, and deeply honest being, that they take this description of their god as a guideline for human behaviour. Perhaps the proper answer to the question, "Is there a God?", is ,"We're working on it."
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Possibly.

What I will say that might be at least a little related is reaction to the coming of the Messiah. I have argued for years that if you're doing it right, when the Messiah comes, your response will be:

"Great! Reinforcements!"

My God demands responsibility. Repair the world. Analyze divine word to make sure your resulting guidelines for conduct are as compassionate, humane, and just as possible. Help the stranger. Seek forgiveness from those you've wronged.

The thing is, if He doesn't exist, what I'm left with is: Repair the world. Make sure my resulting guidelines for conduct are as compassionate, humane, and just as possible. Help the stranger. Seek forgiveness from those you've wronged.

That, as far as I am concerned, is the point. That, as far as He is concerned (assuming He exists), is the point. We're not about faith; perhaps the best way to explain that is that God isn't insecure. (Better to be a good person and an atheist, etc.)

It's a good path. Divine, partially divine, or not divine at all, it's a good path. It's been an effective path. The most important thing I have to say about my own religion, at least the places in my own religion where I live, is that the path is the point.
Thanks scanner, what a brilliant list- some brilliant tips from brilliant mind
Though I am assuredly an agnostic, the piece that opens that video (Adagio from Mozart's Piano Conceerto #23) speaks as well on this subject as all these brilliant men. Too bad they didn't let it play through to the orchestral entrance -that is all the proof I need that there is something higher, at least within us.

I've seen those lists of writer's advice before a few times. As a fledgling writer I took childish glee in breaking Mr. Leonard's first rule: I insisted on starting my memoir with the weather.

Though I finally gave up and started with something else, it is only an introduction to a scene in which the weather is central.

Rules are made to be broken. By those who understand them.