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The way I see things or the view from here. Scarlett is happiest when passions are fulfilled and true colors revealed. She finds truth most often stranger than fiction. She also feels love and outrage properly channeled can be revolutionary. Sometimes she can be seen around town with Jack Pine. She realizes that through her nom de plume she leaves herself wide open someday to hear the phrase "Frankly Scarlett, I don't give a damn." So with that now out of the way...

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FEBRUARY 20, 2012 5:51PM

Simple Complications

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 women talking

While folks south of the border celebrate President’s Day, here in Ontario, Canada we are relishing in a fairly new provincial holiday called Family Day. Some feel the premier of this province instituted it for votes and they may be right. Regardless, the outcome works for me.

Today feels like Sunday instead of Monday and on my walk earlier I encountered people enjoying the cool but sunny weather; most of them were smiling.

My daughter has time off from school and later this week we are going on a couple of day trips. In order to do so, there are a few things I need to wrap up but hey, ... it’s a holiday and who feels like working on a holiday? Time to procrastinate.

So ... my girl and I were just talking about friendships. I relayed a recent story to her that I'm bit reticent to admit even to myself. I shared it because it is important for parents to share some of their struggles and frailties too. After all, we’re not superhuman and even though I think I know how to navigate the murky waters of relationships, I can still get caught in a whirlpool of emotions and this happened recently.

Since I am procrastinating, I’ll share. It’s a fairly old tale, and I’m guessing one most people can relate to. It goes something like this …

I have a friend I met about eight or nine years ago in a work situation. I left that particular job in 2008 but have often said this friendship was one of the best things to come of it. Generally, it has been my experience in work relationships although people say they will keep in touch, the effort often falls apart. This time was an anomaly because Suzanne and I did stay friends -- good friends. We share common interests, have travelled together, and I introduced her to a close community of mine.

I’d like to think that good energy renews itself and I guess that is what unfolded.

Recently I attended a function where Suzanne, and the folks I introduced her to, were present. Neither of us knew the other was attending. Of course we greeted each other as we usually would, with hugs etc. However, over the course of the time spent there, I recognized she was much tighter with them than I imagined. 

I came home and had to admit I wasn’t feeling all that great about it. Immature of me? Perhaps. I recognized a feeling I hadn't felt since high school or even grade school. Yuck. 

About a week after the community event, Suzanne invited me for lunch. Driving over to her place, I considered broaching the subject and my feelings around it.

As usual, she made me feel welcome, the Cappucino and nice sandwich with olives (she always has the best olives) she served, were delicious.

We sat for almost two hours and talked about many things. The words I wanted to say sat unformed on the tip of my tongue. In the end, I let them dissolve and disperse into thin air unspoken.

I chalked it up to: either I wasn’t ready to share my feelings, or some higher intuition decided whatever machinations I had about her developing closer relationships, were no threat to me. After all, how could fostering positive relationships be negative?

Now some would say if we were that good friends I would be free to talk about my hurt feelings. And I will continue to ask myself that question and roll it over in my mind.

Truth is, after speaking with my daughter about it this afternoon I feel better.

As a young woman, she knew exactly how I felt. We both agreed the feeling is irrational. Intellectually, it’s easy to understand that you can never possess or control another person’s actions; emotionally, it is a different story.

After hearing my story, she summed it up,

“Oh, those feelings. They suck!!”

 Sometimes it’s as simple as that. 

 

© Scarlett Sumac 2012

 

 

 

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Yeah, this other people business is inevitably complicated. Guys too have "those feelings," and they do suck.
Best that you held your tongue Scarlett. It sounds uncomfortably close to that green-eyed monster and few enjoy seeing it up close. Shades of All About Eve too except Suzanne didn't set out to undermine you in any way, right? All in all a pretty widespread human failing. So long as you've recognized it for what it is, no disgrace there.
Dunno, Scarlet, my hunch is she's CHEATING on you! Either way, you handled it with admiral maturity. ;-D
I agree! Those feelings SUCK! And encountered a similar situation recently, a feeling I was not able to shake for weeks...Props to you that you could shed it quicker. Enjoy your holiday and your daughter, I hope to make it to Canada one day..I have a dear friend there I met through the military. Rated and LOVED!
From the mouths of babes. Chalk one up for simplicity.
Yup. She summed it up pretty well! Friendship, like love, is not a pie. There's plenty to go around, you know?
Hah! She is closer to it than you are. This is another reason why I don't do Facebook. It sounds too much like back then. I'm undoubtedly still hardwired to get anxious if someone defriends or ignores my request. Best to leave it in the past.
returning to rate, but also just noticed your new avatar....yowsa!
Luminous: You confirmed my suspicions; guys have feelings too ... ;;

Abrawang: Suzanne (not her real name) is not undermining. Not sure if it's as simple as jealousy, I'm still working on it. I guess the crux is you can know one thing and feel another. The old heart/head thing.

Matt: Cheating, ha. Young people strip it down past the analysis .. Yup, it sucks! Now I can get over it.

mamato3: Nice to meet you, thanks for commiserating. ;)

trilogy: Exactly. xo

At Home Pilgrim: What's this about pie ... there's pie? Yes, philosophically you're right, there's plenty to go around. Now about that pie ... I want some more. ;

Janie: You got a taste of pie too? But really, what is there to say ...?thanks for coming by.
Yes, it's perfectly fine for my friends to be friends with my new friend until my friends seem to like my new friend better than they like me. Those sucky feelings suck. But at least you got a long weekend.
As the song says, people are strange. You exhibited great grace.
Scarlett, I am so glad you wrote this. You will probably not be surprised to know I understand completely. Right now I have an issue with a friend that really bothers me. If I talk to my daughter about friendships I feel completely understood. Recently she said, "Try not to let her bother you, Mom. You have so many other kids to play with." I think our daughters are our biggest cheerleaders and most loving confidants. xoxo ~r
i wonder if men find themselves in this awkward/jealous/weird situation the way women do or, if they do, if it feels the same. keeping quiet about it is easier now that i'm old, as is learning not to take it all as seriously. i laughed at your ending - our kids sort of cut to the chase, don't they?
An odd spot to be in. I think you did the right thing. If writing was wine your stylish prose is finding its way to the top shelf.
Your daughter is wise cuz she is still innocent but also tempered by experience
And I suggest she be yer fine galfriend guru that u ladies seem to need..


“The words I wanted to say sat unformed on the tip of my tongue. In the end, I let them dissolve and disperse into thin air unspoken.”
Arg. Just like any pedestrian encounter. Hardly galpal material!
But wait..


“We share common interests, have travelled together, and I introduced her to a close community of mine.” & she what? /whatnow/? Conquered/
?
A vibe was received from the world to your head. It wasn’t good true and beautiful. So you had issues with it…

“I chalked it up to: either I wasn’t ready to share my feelings, (doubtful)


or some higher intuition decided whatever machinations I had about her developing closer relationships, were no threat to me. After all, how could fostering positive relationships be negative?”

easily. Positivity is great but Negativity is better.

Dylan:
“when yer lost in the rain in Juarez
And its eastertime too!
And yr gravity fails
And Negativity don’t pull u thru.
Don’t put on any airs when yer down on
Rue Morgue Avenue
They got some HUNGRY wimmin there
And they sure make a mess out of you.”
The Green Monster rears it's ugly, misshapen head and yells, "Raaaawwrr!" The hackles rise and the hairs along the spine stiffen.

Nothing like a little envy, huh?

--r--
I suppose I find it surprising that you would even consider sharing these feelings.

The male perspective: You share the feelings because you want exactly what to happen?

Since it is irrational to ask her to ignore her new friends, then what would it accomplish?

Some sort of emotional intimacy with the friend?

A guy would never think of speaking up.

But petty jealousy? That happens -- a lot.
Oh, and just as a sidenote,

My experience is that guys feel this too. We just tend to beat each other up over it if we talk it out, so we keep our yaps shut about it and find other places to be until we can get over it.

Guys are a lot more insecure than we let on, ladies.
I wonder if your conscience is gently reminding you to spend more time in the circle of mutual friends ... ?
Good to have a relationship like that with your daughter, & a daughter like that too. ( Loved Joan's '... so many other kids to play with.' I bet that was an echo ! )
I always like what somebody said . . .
`
A writer [Life] is making
a riddle out of an answer
`
I miss Canada. I never know.
I wish we could be in two places.
Life is (blogging) one insane asylum.
I always insist people learn to speak.
I told Annabelle (7 1/2) a day gets sad.
She already share her sad bewilderment.
Speak . . .
Sad to say . . .
Some folk never talk.
They can't carry thoughts.
Conversation is impossible.
Some folk are anti-social.

I heard a child say`Pure!
But, in a context of `Evil!
She meant 'that Pure Evil!
`
It's worked out by walking.
Your Canadian writer wrote
`
Solvitur ambulando

It is solved by walking
`
Margaret Atwood `said

I agree . . Or clod gazing.
typo . ..
Cloud Watching helps me.
It really cleans a Mind up.
Minds need to empty up.
Rest . . .
It is that simple...and friendships have their own challenges. I know exactly how you feel!
Stim: Something like that ...suckity-suck, suck. Thing about long weekends is, I always wish they were longer.

Mary: Indeed they are. Not quite sure about grace ... maybe I just didn't have the right reasons or words but thank you. Something tells me it may get discussed over a couple glasses of wine one night and we'll be laughing about it.

green heron: Oh, the "Back Then." Silly human kind and our complex emotions, we think we're over it and something triggers it from the far corner when we thought it was long, long gone. Damn! ;)

Joan: Loved your daughter's come back for you. These things are delicate and the kids, as femme says, cut to the chase. Thank Gawd.
I hope your friendship issue resolves itself. Back atcha. xo

Femme: Luminous Muse above refers to those feelings above and you're right it can be a combination of any of the things you mentioned ... awkward/jealous/weird situation ...all human emotions and it's all a matter of how we deal with it, huh? Sometimes silence is golden ... at least till we figure things out. ;)

Damon: Odd spot turned ink spot here. Top shelf is where you are, Damon.

Nick: At first I took your comment to question why I was writing or "sharing these feelings" but if I understand correctly now, you are wondering why I would share it with my friend and who/what would benefit from it? If so, exactly. That is what I asked myself. Comes down to acknowledging certain emotions but realizing I/we don't have to react to them all. I agree that petty (and sometimes not so petty) jealousy/envy is rampant (and also manufactured) in society and not just the terrain of females. Still, in the end, I had those feelings which I hadn't felt in years. To have my kid simply say, "Yeah, that sucks!" without all the analysis I went through, felt good. Maybe it's a mother-daughter thing ...

dunniteowl: Thin line I guess between jealousy/envy and host of other emotions that sometimes catch us off guard. Try and rise above, I say.

James: Great song. I think you're onto something there (about the airs) but I can't quite get into it, I'm exhausted from leaving comments on your blog. ;
Wish I had written this: "Intellectually, it’s easy to understand that you can never possess or control another person’s actions; emotionally, it is a different story."
there seems to be something instinctual in which we regard friendships as a scarce commodity like money or food.. its probably a deep reptilian brain kinda feeling, and its not entirely inaccurate.
It is good to talk about such things, it helps put it all in perspective.
Kim, Thanks. You know what, you're onto something there. I let some things slide ... maybe my conscience IS telling me something in that direction. It's also telling me to go watch movie with my girl. She's calling me. xo Be back later, folks.

All this feedback is appreciated.
I don't know if I could have held my tongue as I always like to keep the air clean but as they say..'out of the mouths of babes' comes how we really feel.
HUGGGGGG
Your beautiful new avatar--hailing a cab on the fringe of the wasteland?
You made the correct and proper decision not to mention anything about what you were feeling. If you would have shared, it probably would have become an issue and driven a wedge between you and her permanently. Sounds like an old echo of abandonment which has nothing to do with your friend and is not rational. She is simply part of a circle of people that you-for whatever reasons-really aren't a part of anymore. Cool deal to share with your daughter, however.
Art: I like that first quote about the writer and riddles. My daughter is a Cloud Watcher too. Apparently there's an official cloud watching org.

Maureen: There's an intensity to women's relationships and sometimes it burns. Thanks for the solidarity.

John: That's a tough one but as it's said,"it is what it is"... thanks for coming by.

vzn: Interesting angle and comment, I'll be thinking about that for awhile.

Sheila: Absolutely, it does.

Linda: Yup. Clearing the air is a good thing but what to clean it with? We'll talk about it ...eventually.

JP Hart: There on the fringe of the lake with the sun and the moon. ..and my arms, they're useful too. ;)

Spudster: Gee, I feel much better now. ;) I know it's my issue. May be abandonment or feeling left out on my part, may be ambition on someone else's but I'm not completely out of the circle at all. The circle is shifting. Time to regroup.
I'm glad you wrote this; it's good to hear every now and then that adults have these feelings too. And I think it's more complicated than jealousy. It was unsettling to find this out; it changed what you thought you knew about both these relationships that you value and it does for a moment bring back unpleasant memories from childhood we thought were long gone. Daughters are a great sounding board. I can do the same thing with mine and I also learn a lot from her.

Also, I know men feel the same way too because I used to live in a cliquish little neighborhood where the men deliberately did petty little things behind each other's backs (going golfing, having poker games or football parties and not inviting one or two who they were on the outs with, then those guys would find out about it through the grapevine and get mad, etc.) Their wives were just as bad but it was more shocking for some reason finding out men did the same things.
good energy renews itself ~

like you and your daughter ~
Didn't intend to be insulting--I think monitoring one's thoughts about such situations is helpful especially when one's thinking gets off-track which may or may not be the case here.
I think you handled yourself as a gracious lady, and what's more, leaving those feelings unspoken gives you nothing to reproach yourself with later.
Kudos to you for communicating. And lucky you for getting Family Day off.
This is an interesting experience that you should keep us updated on.
Scarlett, both the post and the comments it inspired are thoughtful. It was a pleasure to read. I agree that jealousy might be too pat an explanation. Maybe there's a wish in there for a closer connection with someone, and the situation with Scarlett resonated in that echo chamber. (Guys have those hollows, too.) Or maybe something else. Don't want to get carried away here. But the outcome, where you get closer to your daughter, is perfect. That's the way great stories are made. Thanks you.
Hey folks, thanks for coming by. By the way I'm the one on the left in the clip art image but we don't dress like that for lunch. ::))

Margaret: Thanks for your insights here on Venus and Mars. I agree about the men angle. Sorry we missed you in sunny Cleveland.

catch22: I think I'm exhausted now from all that 21 year-old energy renewing itself. ;)

cc: You are a darling and hopefully in this instance remaining mum is the best course, for now.

Spud: It's a combo-effect here, I didn't/can't go into all the dynamics and details. Sometimes without all the analysis, it is just refreshing to file something under the That Sucks! category and move on. It takes way more than that to insult me. ;)

Various: I hope you had family day off too. Can we have this Monday off too? ::))

tai: You're a mermaid. I love mermaids, they don't seem to run into this kind of trouble. :)

charliemk: Thanks for your thoughtful comment. Yes, in a way that is where the story end/begins with me and my girl. We just spent a week together ... I'm recovering. ;)
Late to the game here, but I've been away.

I've had numerous humiliating experiences of introducing other people to activities or communities or other individuals, whatever, whereupon they left me in the dust re popularity and, well, competence.

But I've got another situation at the moment, that has some similar feelings attached: A formerly good friend suddenly went sour a couple years back. I recently ran into her and, after we exchanged polite pleasantries, I said I was unhappy with the way things ended and perhaps we should have tea sometime and talk about it. I knew from a mutual friend that she was still upset (she gave the friend an earful). She said yes, let's do it. And I said I'd get in touch after I got back from my trip.

But now I'm having second thoughts. Because the way I see it playing out is I'd listen to her complaints, agree (sincerely) with some of them to some extent, accept at least my share of the blame. And then not get into MY complaints, because they seem petty, and because she probably doesn't recognize their legitimacy (judging by her rant to our mutual friend), and I just don't want to be bothered... What I think (and I may be wrong) is that I'd do my thing and she'd feel better afterwards, and I'd feel worse: I'd accept my part of the blame and not bitch about her part.

OTOH, I am making an appointment to meet with some other people on a matter that is more along the lines of *business* than personal and plan to state my case and demand an apology! In writing! Haha, wish me luck.