JUNE 14, 2010 5:44PM

MADD and out of control

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OK, so this may not be a sentiment that everyone will automatically agree with.. but stay with me, ok?  Here we go:  I really think that MADD and other similar anti-drunk driving programs have gotten out of control - to the point where their influence has made drunk driving penalties completely unjust.

Now admittedly, I can only speak to the state I currently live in, and the only one I've been arrested for DWI in.  In speaking to others, I think this state has pretty harsh laws.  The level for intoxication is .08, which is pretty low.  As I mentioned in another post - for a woman of reasonable size, 2 glasses of wine will put you over the limit. 

Also, as a matter of full disclosure, my views are definitely skewed by the fact that I've recently been through an arrest and trial for DWI.  I was coming home from a night with friends when I was pulled over for a bullshit charge (changing lanes without signaling) and eventually arrested for DWI.  I refused to submit to a breathalyzer during the arrest.

So let's look at this... I am a first time offender.  I've never been arrested before - I haven't even gotten a ticket in 14 years.  Since my arrest I've had an evaluation by a substance abuse counselor which indicates that this is an isolated incident and that I don't require substance abuse treatment.  I've done everything by the book.  Yes, I made a bad decision - after using alcohol, which after all, IS LEGAL.  Yet I am being treated exactly the same as someone who's got substance abuse problems, who has multiple offenses, who is a real threat to others one the road.

Does that seem just to you?

OK, let's hear it:  Impaired driving is unsafe at ANY level of impairment and therefore I WAS a threat to others, no matter HOW much alcohol I'd had prior to getting behind the wheel.  So let's look at that.  It's the reason that many states have reduced their level to .08.  Well, why not .05?  .02?  For that matter, why do bars even HAVE parking lots?!  You think that's funny, but I'm serious.  Either it's OK to let people drive to a bar to do something that IS LEGAL, or it's not.  I haven't done the research but I'm sure someone somewhere has data showing that lowering the legal impairment limit has helped decrease alcohol related accidents and fatalities. 

So if we stipulate that, even so, my original point stands:  is it really the right thing to do to charge every single person, regardless of situation, with a crime?  In the state I live in, DWI is a misdemeanor, meaning if I hadn't gotten my charge dismissed (which I did), I would have a criminal record.  For a first offense.  Does that seem reasonable to you?  

It seems to me that it would make more sense to have punishments that are appropriate to the level of the offense.  First time offenders could be sentenced to drinking driver classes and/or defensive driving classes, with the possibility of formal alcohol treatment if screening indicated that would be beneficial.  The penalties could even be based on BAC at the time of arrest, if that would make sense.  Repeat offenders would face harsher penalties, up to and including jail time and loss of license.  Doesn't that make more sense?  Why is it necessary for first time offenders to lose their license?  And why (as it is in my state) is it a one year revocation of license for refusing the chemical test??  (What would you do?  Do you know what to do if you're asked to take a breathalyzer?  I refused because I thought it was the right thing to do.  I still can't decide if it was or not, but I can tell you one thing - if you ask the cop for more information to help you decide you will NOT get any help.)

I'm not saying it's OK to get hammered and go cruising... not at all.   I'm also not saying that if you are a habitual offender, or have a serious abuse problem, or get in an accident or God forbid hurt someone while you're driving... that you shouldn't have the book thrown at you.  What I'm saying is that the anti-drunk driving forces out there (MADD being one of them) have gone way over the line of what's reasonable.  Punishments are theoretically supposed to fit the crime, and in my case I don't think that's true (my lawyer agrees with me, so it's not just me).

And it's not just in my case, either - there's a new law here that states that if you're pulled over for DWI and you have minor children in the car - it's a felony with mandatory jail time.  So if you go to dinner with the kids and have a couple of beers and are pulled over... or stop on the way home from baseball practice to get the kids ice cream and have a glass of wine or two... you're automatically goin' to the Big House. 

And after August 1 if you get an alcohol conviction you'll be required to put an ignition interlock in your car (which of course you'll be required to pay to have installed and maintained).  These things don't always work though - there've been instances of them being set off by hand sanitizers and mouthwash.  

Seriously?  How is all of this not unneccessarily punitive?  Or am I just so biased that I can't be objective about it?

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You raise some good questions. I'm not sure I know the answers but I do know well-intentioned organizations can go to far. One only need look as far as PETA to see that.
I agree with you completely.

AND YOU GOT THEM DISMISSED? FUCK YEAH!!
With all due respect, sciencechick, I think that whether it is your first time or not, there is no excuse for driving under the influence of alcohol. If you were to hit someone and cause a fatality, the event would be final - no other chances for the victim for a second try. Consider this from that angle.
Yeah, it turned out about as good as it could have - DWI dismissed, charged with DWAI (driving while alcohol impaired) instead. NOT a criminal charge, a moving violation. Which is WAAAY better...
Still have to go the year revocation for the refusal but should have a conditional license in a couple of weeks. YEAH BABY!
Of course. Any alcohol at all. And you've never gotten behind the wheel after having had a single drink, right? Not one drop?
Sorry Funsun, but that's exactly the attitude I'm talking about. Why single out alcohol? Why not make the penalties equally harsh for texting or talking on a cell phone? Studies HAVE shown that you are JUST AS LIKELY to cause an accident while talking or texting as you are to cause one if you have alcohol in your system. If you are going to arrest me and put me in handcuffs and charge me with a criminal charge for one, you should be consistent and arrest someone who talks on a cell phone too.
Or is that overkill? You tell me.
Oh and by the way, people cause accidents all the time without being under the influence of ANYTHING. And I'll bet that if you're honest and can admit you've been behind the wheel when you have had ANY alcohol in your system, you didn't cause an accident or kill someone. So - how do you reconcile that?
Here's something else to think about. A few years ago I was researching the affect of sleep on the ability to perform certain tasks in a working environment. Study after study confirmed that even the mildly sleep deprived performed with the abilities of someone who was legally intoxicated. You don't hear too much about this because it is hard to test for, but the FAA has known about it for decades. It's the reason why there are such strict rules on flying hours for pilots. Not so easy to test for though. Then there are the myriad of drugs people in our society are taking, and by drugs I am referring to the legal. Many of these impair judgement but when was the last time a cop asked, "have you taken any antihistamines today sir?"

The other day I read an interview of a cop who was describing his years of experience identifying drunk drivers. He said he wasn't always right, and went on to describe an incident with a woman who had been crossing the centerline, turning to wide, driving too slow etc... all dangerous sorts of driving. When he stopped her she claimed that the road was so dark that she couldn't see it very well, but since she hadn't be drinking he let her go. Now, I ask you, if someone is driving in such a manner does it really matter why? Her driving could have easily caused an accident but she was given a pass because she wasn't drunk?!
What this (.08) may be an overreaction in some ways but is not going to change. I rarely drink but if I were going to, I would take a cab home. You can buy a lot of cab rides for what one night with the cops costs. It was an error not to take the breath test. Lawyers can argue with any reading but have no help available if you refuse the test. I did the same thing and had some strong legs at the end of the year. My advice, not that you asked, is do not mess with the system, do not drive late at night, and do not get behind the wheel with any alcohol in your system. If you get picked up again, the system will eat you up. It may be a release to yell about the injustice of the laws but you are a part of the system now and will get ZERO breaks. Smoke weed; and give up alcohol. Love, SPud.
Spud - I hear ya. I realize that I got my one strike and next time I'm finished. Which is sort of my point - this ridiculous puritanism about this particular topic is serious overkill.
Yeah, railing against the system does no good and changes nothing... but it's what I do.
And I have gotten mixed responses on the "blow or don't blow" question. It pissed off the DMV a lot but in the end I think it kept me from having a criminal charge on my record... good now vs. good for life? Hard to tell.
You are absolutely right sciencechick. Talking on the cell phone or texting is equally dangerous as being under the influence of alcohol while driving, and should be treated as vigilantly to deter offenders from repeating. I wasn't singling either out, but merely staying on your topic since you were adressing alcohol. Where I live both are illegal and have very hefty fines as well as demerit points on one's driver's licence. But as with anything else, all deterrents are just what they are, there are exceptions, "justifiable" circumstances, etc that will create arguments. I go by the rule of thumb that if something is illegal and has a criminal consequence attached to it, I don't even go there. I take some prescription drugs, but every year when it is time to renew my driver's licence, I submit a medical report to the autmobile bureau verifying that these medications do not impair my driving. That is a law for everyone here. I hope I answered your questions.
I agree -- texting, driving while sleepy, taking some medications, and drinking alcohol all impair one's judgment. Since you want to live, and you want to avoid accidents, take care of yourself, and don't drive impaired. (Asking others if they have driven impaired is not the point. The point is preventing future accidents.) Where I live there is a bar on almost every block, so people can walk to and from their drinking establishments.
Just my two cents. I can understand your point about maybe getting more a pass on the first offence. But, I gotta believe that for most people, the first offence is probably not the first time they drove "drunk" meaning they were over 0.08. I say this because I think most people (and some studies have shown this) think they are fine even when then get to 0.08 and more.

So, after a first offense, does the person just stop drinking completely if driving later? I mean what if you had a DUI 22 years earlier and have been staying pretty much to the limits - maybe 3 or 4 drinks in two hours, but now iwth age, you actually end up pver 0.08? Do you throw the book, including j ail time at this person? Where does the concept of acloholism as a disease, with its progression and increased tolerance to alcohol fit in? Do we just tell these people "too bad!". You should have sought help. Its off to the slammer for you.

Losing one's licence can be a big deal, but at least in many cases we can still get around by bicycle, bus, train, friends. But its the jail time, huge fines, loss of jobs, careers, professional respect that can really harm someone IMHO .

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