JULY 18, 2011 9:09AM

Not Fonda Hanoi Jane

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So here we are, Jane dear – and I address you as such because this is a family-friendly blog and some of the other . . . ummm . . . words used in military circles in conjunction with a discussion of your person are not exactly family friendly, unless of course, your family is, say, Saddam Hussein’s . . . anyway, the news media is apparently agog with the intelligence that you have been bounced from a guest slot at QVC, because a lot of people have been calling QVC and complaining about your scheduled appearance.

OK – bounced from QVC . . . snort, giggle . . . bwah-haha-HAH-HAH! (wipes away tears of laughter) . . . I think I’ve got that out of my system. So you wished to flog your crappy book to the QVC audience, because you believe you have something to offer the audience demographic who watches QVC. I hate to come off like a snob, but wasn’t there anything on Oprah Winfrey’s Network?

Let me break it gently to you, Jane dear; your actions 40 years ago – which were widely photographed, broadcast and discussed at the time – are indeed not in the least forgotten. Not by military serving at the time, military serving after that time and down to the present day, the military establishment as a whole, blue-collar working-class guys subject to the Vietnam War-era draft, their spouses, girlfriends, children and grandchildren, their parents, cousins, second cousins, friends, members of the American Legion, the Veterans of Foreign Wars and the Disabled American Veterans and former POWS . . . all of them remember.

Possibly the Boy and Girl Scouts remember, too; this is a sort of heirloom memory, handed down from generation to generation like a bit of jewelry or a Chippendale escritoire. We do not need some vast Reich-wing and well-financed organization to support us in this either, unless you do consider the AL, the VFW and the DAV are that kind of organization. It’s more of an organic thing, Jane dear . . . oh, I forgot; probably the Vietnamese refugees who came out of Vietnam upon the fall of the Saigon government – they probably remember your actions pretty vividly, as well.

Jane, dear – let me break it to you gently; a fairly large portion of the individuals represented in the above-listed groups hate you. They hate you with a depth of feeling ranging the gamut from scornful distaste to the depth of loathing equivalent to the burning of a thousand white-hot suns. They hate you for using your celebrity to set yourself up as a great authority, for providing a propaganda opportunity for the enemy in time of war, for appearing to rejoice in the deaths and/or captivity of American servicemen, for accusing former POWs of lying about the conditions of their captivity. There are mens’ latrines at military clubs and VFW halls that have stickers in the urinals with your face on them; they hate you that much, even after all this time. For myself, I hate that stupid exercise book of yours – exercise and healthy living to keep fit and shapely my a**; it was bulimia and plastic surgery that kept that little fraud going, but never mind.

You have never really apologized for your little stunt in going to North Vietnam; when backed into a corner you offered up one of those mealy-mouthed “sorry of you were offended” non-apology apologies. So now, you want to flog another stupid book to the masses, and you discover to your shock and horror that a good part of the demographic it’s intended for don’t want to touch it with a ten-foot pole, or see your face on QVC . . . Go get yourself some sympathy from the Dixie Chicks, they know all what happens upon alienating a key segment of one's audience, and watching appreciation for their celebrity go down the tubes. It’s called karma, and it’s just taken a longer time for yours to come around.

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wow interesting POV. Glad to have your perspective here.
Very well-said here, Sgt. Mom, and while I disagree w her specific manner of protest, she was dead-on right abt that war and the evil it still levels at Americans and others.
Rated.
Not all Vietnam Vets feel about her as you do... I attended a function where she was and she did genuinely apologize to the Vets who were there, and they were on their feet cheering for her. As for the Dixie Chicks... Well... they were right about Bush and his war.... Perhaps their methods were wrong... but Jane Fonda and the Dixie Chicks were correct...
~R~
I'm a left-of-center Progressive and I disagreed with the war, but I think what she did was absolutely horrible. Getting into an AA gun and pointing it at American planes, and encouraging the deaths of American soldiers.

One can be a liberal and a patriot. Jane Fonda's methods did a dis-service to all those who protested the war. There's a big difference between treason and protest.
You mean Barbarella, right? I'd managed to not think of any of the Fondas for some little while- I'd always liked Henry in his movie roles- the testimony of his children to his suitability as a father are not something I can judge. But I'd managed to forget her, and mostly forgive as well, doesn't mean I have any interest in what she says or writes. She will always remain an empty headed but very attractive (Then) "Barbie" to me.
“I will go to my grave regretting the photograph of me in an anti-aircraft gun, which looks like I was trying to shoot at American planes. It hurt so many soldiers. It galvanized such hostility. It was the most horrible thing I could possibly have done. It was just thoughtless.”

Is that a sufficient apology? That’s not for me to say. However, I think there are people who will forgive Casey Anthony before they forgive Jane Fonda. It’s time to let it go.
The trouble with that apology, Cranky - is that as gracefully phrased as it was - for a lot of people, it came way too late and way too little, and with no perceptible followup that I ever heard about. IRRC, that one came about after some veterans protested location shooting of one of her movies, years later. The dislike/contempt for her was already institutionalized by then among the active military. What is kind of ironically amusing is that my daughter, born in 1980 and to whom Jane Fonda pretty much a past-Hollywood figure, knew all about her protest-the-war-from-North-Vietnam antics ... from USMC basic training general knowlege. She's seen as a kind of Benedict Arnold/Vikdun Quisling.
Myself, I think she was and is a desperatly shallow person, flitting from enthusiasm to enthusiasm - and is quite genuinely shocked to discover that yes ... veterans who felt themselves insulted and demeaned by her words and antics 40 years ago still remember. We should just be grateful and buy her books and DVDs. I guess.
Imagine that, a celebrity who was a desperately shallow person, flitting from enthusiasm to enthusiasm! Why does that shock anyone?

And although I love this line:

"Possibly the Boy and Girl Scouts remember, too; this is a sort of heirloom memory, handed down from generation to generation like a bit of jewelry or a Chippendale escritoire."

I think it's kind of a waste of energy. It's kind of like how some southerners are still fighting the Civil War. Granted, not the same amount of time has passed since Fonda did what she did, but at some point it's got to become history.