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Shannon Kelley and her mother Barbara Kelley are both journalists, and have just written a book called "Undecided". Together. (...Right??) This blog is a taste of what you'll find in "Undecided", a book about choice overload, analysis paralysis, grass is greener syndrome, longing for the road not traveled, and how the success of the women’s movement has left women stumped in the face of limitless options — and how to get over it. The book comes out on May 3: if you like what you're reading here, get the book here: http://www.amazon.com/Undecided-Endless-Perfect-Career-Life-Thats/dp/1580053416. And subscribe to our blog here: http://undecidedthebook.wordpress.com/

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OCTOBER 20, 2011 11:22AM

You’ll Never Work In this Town Again!

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Surely you’ve heard about that million dollar lawsuit against Amazon filed by an anonymous actress who claims that Internet Movie Database (which is owned by Amazon) damaged her ability to get work because it published her age.  According to the Daily Dot, the lawsuit claimed:

“If one is perceived to be ‘over-the-hill,’ i.e., approaching 40, it is nearly impossible for an up-and-coming actress, such as the plaintiff, to get work as she is thought to have less of an ‘upside,’ therefore, casting directors, producers, directors, agents-manager, etc. do not give her the same opportunities, regardless of her appearance or talent…”

I know nothing about the woman, other than that she is an Asian from Texas who claims to look young for her age.  I know nothing about her resume.  I have no idea whether she has talent.  I don’t know whether it’s a legitimate lawsuit or she’s just out to make a quick buck.  I don’t even know how old she is.

But what I do know is this. Put a man of a certain age up on the big screen and he’s not only viable as an actor, but might generate some fantasies: George Clooney is 50.  Richard Gere is 62.  Pierce Brosnan: 58.  Sean Connery was named the sexiest man of the year by people magazine back in 1999 when he was, I believe, 68.  Viggo Mortensen is 58. Colin Firth and Hugh Grant: Both 50. And Jeremy Irons?  You may not find him especially sexy, but as Pope Alexander VI in the TV series The Borgias, he gets more than his share of action.  He is 62.

Now let’s turn the tables: Who are the leading ladies of the same age, with the same kind of currency, the same box office draw?  Can’t think of many, can you?  Not necessarily because they aren’t equally talented as actors, or equally sexy, but because they just don’t get the parts.

There could be any number of reasons for this, none of them especially pleasant to contemplate, but what we want to focus on today is just one of them: the gender make-up of Hollywood itself.

For years we have decried the fact that the old guy always gets the cute girl in the movies. We have for years ranted: about the schlubby guys on TV who have the slim trim wives; about the loser guys who end up with, you know, Katherine Heigl; about the sweet young things who are wooed by the guys old enough to be their grandpas.

You have to ask yourself: who writes this stuff?  And the answer, as we discovered when we researched our book, is this: predominantly men.  Back in 2009, the Hollywood Writers Report found that women and minorities had not made any significant hiring gains since 2005, with women writers making up roughly one-quarter of the field: 28 percent of TV writers and 18 percent of film writers.Their salaries also showed a discrepancy: White men $98,875, versus women $57,151—for a whopping wage gap of $41,724.40.

When we checked in with the their latest report, released a few months ago, we found that women’s share had actually declined:

 The present report shows that women writers remain stuck at 28 percent of television employment, while their share of film employment actually declined a percentage point since the last report to 17 percent. Although the minority share of television employment increased a percentage point to 10 percent (matching the shares evident in years immediately prior to the 2007 nadir), the group’s share of film employment declined to just 5 percent – the lowest figure in at least ten years.

Another study, this one by the Center for the Study of Women in Film and Television found that:

In 2010, women comprised 16% of all directors, executive producers, producers, writers, cinematographers, and editors working on the top 250 domestic grossing films. This represents a decline of 1 percentage point from 1998 and is even with 2009 figures.

Women accounted for 7% of directors in 2010, the same percentage as in 2009. This figure represents a decline of two percentage points from 1998.

Likewise, a 2011 study by USC’s Annenberg Center found that when it came to creative positions in general, including directing or producing, women were again grossly outnumbered.  In a piece on the study for the Women’s Media Center, the researchers for that study, Stacy L. Smith and Marc Choueiti, wrote:

Turning to behind-the-camera employees, the gender gap is far more problematic.  For every one working female director, writer, or producer, there are 4.9 working males in the same above-the-line gate-keeping positions.  Stated in another way, only 8 percent of directors, 13.6 percent of writers, and 19.1 percent of producers were female across the 100 top-grossing films in 2008.  These numbers are unsettling, as one way to diversify images on screen may be to vary the personnel responsible for making the content.  In fact, this is exactly what our results showed.  When one or more females are involved directing, writing, or producing, the number of females on screen increases substantially (see Figure 1).  In the case of screenwriters, the presence of at least one female on the writing team was associated with a 14.3 percent increase in the percentage of female characters on screen.

All of this has an impact — three words for you:  The Playboy Club, which fortunately just met its timely demise — as the reseachers noted, not the least of which is the fact that when there’s no diversity behind the camera, the women we see in front of it are not only showing a lot of skin, but often unrealistically young.  (Backstage reports that women over 40 account for a mere 8 percent of characters in the 2010-11 and 2011-12 TV seasons to date).

That impact goes far beyond the silver screen, as Jennifer Seibel Newsom, producer of Miss Representation points out:

And really what our culture is communicating to us is vis-a-vis the media, which is this pedagogical force of communication in our culture, is that a woman’s value lies in her youth, her beauty, and her sexuality and not in her capacity to lead…

Back in 2010 when Meryl Streep — the exception who proves the rule? — made news by starring as a sexual being in “It’s Complicated”, she was the subject of a cover story in Vanity Fair, which dug into the stereotypical way in which the media treat women of a certain age:

Any inhibitions notwithstanding, a vibrant sexuality has remained a crucial aspect of Streep’s appeal, despite her advancing years and the limitations that others might try to impose in response. When Clint Eastwood cast her to star opposite him in The Bridges of Madison County, which won Streep an Oscar nomination for best actress, in 1996, his reason was simple: “She’s the greatest actress in the world,” he said with a shrug.

That said, Streep reports, “There was a big fight over how I was too old to play the part, even though Clint was nearly 20 years older than me. The part was for a 45-year-old woman, and Clint said, ‘This is a 45-year-old woman.’”

Old news, perhaps.  But have things changed in the past 15 years?  Probably not, which brings us back to that Amazon lawsuit.  Frivolous or not, it makes you wonder about the biggest question of all: Does Hollywood reflect our reality — or determine it?


Tagged: Amazon, Annenberg Center, Backstage, center for the s, Center for the study of women and film in television, Clint Eastwood, Colin Firth, daily dot, gender gap, Geroge Clooney, hollywood, Hollywood Writer Report, Hugh Grant, IMBD, Jennifer Seibel Newsom, Jeremy Irons, Katheine Heigl, Marc Choueiti, Meryl Streep, Miss Representation, Pierce Brosnan, Richard Gere, Sean Connery, Stacy L. Smith, the Borgias, The Playboy Club, Vigo Mortenson, Women's Media Center

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Wonderful piece of journalism. You can feel the hard work behind it. A consistent, nagging problem that never gets less annoying. Its absurd, bordering on comical, how Hollywood treats age/women. Someone should make an absurdist film where all actresses over 30 are put on some island, like lepers.
I remember having a real awakening when, in the space of only six years, Sally Field went from playing Tom Hanks' love in interest (in the movie "Punchline") to playing his mother (in "Forrest Gump). Granted, she is 10 years older than Hanks, but she is a very attractive woman, and she looks a lot better than he does these days.

This piece looks like it was a lot of work to put together. Thanks for all of the facts and the links, as well as your thoughts on this issue.
Er, "love interest", not "love in interest". :-)
Actually, there are a number of male screenwriters who are fighting to keep their ages off imdb for the same reason--that they will be perceived as old and unhip, incapable of writing the stupid stuff that appeals to the male adolescent demographic that makes so many movies into hits.

To which I say--you're only young once, but you can stay immature forever.
This is excellent and hard-hitting Shannon. It's no secret how Hollywood treats "women of a certain age" although it also makes no sense. In answer to your question about Hollywood reflecting or determining our reality, the answer is neither. All one has to do is look around; I rarely see old men and beautiful young women together in "real" life, at least not unless it's a grandfather and his granddaughter. It's a fact that like generally attracts like. Also, the average person does not look like an actress or actor. Heck, actors don't even look like themselves - it's all sleight of hand for both the men and the women most of the time!

But things may be changing, albeit slowly. Some of the top actresses are in their 40s (which doesn't seem old at all compared to the men) - Julia Roberts, Nicole Kidman, Sandra Bullock, Helen Mirren (at 63, HM was voted top body of the year by some LA gym recently); there's a hit show on TV (Hot In Cleveland) and the actresses are all over 50 (Betty White stars). Remember Golden Girls? Still big in reruns and one of my favorite shows, ever. Maybe change is coming.
Right on SK for writing this. Here's hoping it doesn't determine it but more and more these days, I fear ...

Still I thought there might be those (of a certain intelligence) in the viewing audience that actually found women in their forties and gosh dare I say it -- even older -- attractive. Christ knows by the time we reach a minimum of 45 we've learned a few things and those brains, laugh lines and crow feet oughta count for something. I call it presence.
Don't movie audiences tend heavily to the adolescent boy? I am an old woman and I can't remember the last time I went to a movie in the theater. I think I'm not unusual. Maybe movies just reflect their audiences.

Now I'm trying to think of movies I've seen at home that feature women of a certain age but I'm distracted by the fact that I should be working ...
[[All of this has an impact — three words for you: The Playboy Club, which fortunately just met its timely demise ]]

I watched the show. It was well written, well acted and directed. Even the cinematography was pretty good. The female characters had diversity. There was nothing wrong with this show. Most of the people saying it was bad, never even saw it (as per usual.) It's sad that a show with such a large female cast had to bite the dust based on bogus word of mouth. The show wasn't even "raunchy" as its name may have suggested. It was actually a class act. I'm appalled that these actresses lost their jobs over knee jerk reviews. I'm sad that the entire crew lost their jobs over the same thing.
you know what really gets me? I read somewhere (don't know if its true) that the electronic gaming industry is worth more than movies and music combined.
Excellent piece and very informative for me. Thanks.
Your research was unsurpassed.

I enjoyed this piece, and I believe this is a frivolous lawsuit.

I can say, IMDB, though my first place to go for info on the stars and those struck, their information is based on what is given them. My brother, Robert Schuch, was not listed there. Twelve years ago or maybe less, who knows, I entered the info and IMDB immediately published it. As a matter of fact, last time I looked, the original prose I entered about him and the family was still there, the information has changed. But they still have failed to list some important endeavors. So, in defense of the database, she needs to investigate WHERE the info started.

Again, thanks for the piece.

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You totally killed my fantasy about Viggo , 58 is way to old for me. As for Colin, he is looking a little puffed up at 50. I must be an agist. Most of the women I know don't want to date older men, either. Youth and beauty and sex appeal is the appeal to get into a relationship for many people. What's amazing is how many older women are having relationships with much younger men, and Hollywood sure is no exception for that.
i am generally in favor of equal opportunity for all, but we live in a primitive society, functionally not far removed from the usual primate 'baboon troop.'

the alpha males continue to get the best females, in most human societies. 'alpha' nowadays is money or political power or social status instead of big muscles and teeth, but 'best' remains physically near the ideal for bearing children, caring for them, and carrying those social markers of good genes called 'beauty.'

so it's perfectly natural for rich old guys to get the hot dolly, and perfectly natural for the hot dolly to get first bite at social benefit.

natural is not necessarily desirable, but if you're going to change things, it's useful to realize you are swimming against the tide of evolution.
I remember reading an interview, though I can't remember who she was. She said, "I kept getting older parts, first the daughter, then the girlfriend, then the wife, then the mother, then the grandmother. While the man I was playing next to who was the same age as me, always had the same role." Apparently, men look great with their wrinkled foreheads, while women should hide theirs.
I don't think she should sue, but perceptions in Hollywood need to change.
It's not just male chauvinism, point of view, it's also an American cultural point of view. If you want to see beautiful women over 50 who are like fine wine, just look at any French, English or Italian movie. There you will see beauties with wrinkles and realistic looks being appreciated by men their age and younger. That's what I love about European films.
Most women think they look younger than they are. Most of them really don't. How many letters to advice columns begin with "I'm 61 but people tell me all the time I could pass for 35"? Delusional. Foolish.

If she's trying to get work as an ingenue, she's too late. Why not embrace her situation and be a great character actor? I don't think the publishing of her age is her biggest problem.
@Shannon--Great piece.

@Jeannette--"Sally Field playing Tom Hanks's mother" isn't really a good example of this. Sally Field, when she was onscreen more or less looking like Sally Field, played Forrest Gump's mother when Forrest was a little boy, played by a child actor and NOT by Tom Hanks. (If memory serves, her character was also several years YOUNGER than Ms. Fields's real-life age).

When, in that movie, she plays Forrest's mother when Forrest is all grown up and played by Tom Hanks, she is wearing (not terribly convincing) old-age makeup.
ah I sympathize with the feminists as always but you're pushing the river.
"There could be any number of reasons for this, none of them especially pleasant to contemplate, but what we want to focus on today is just one of them: the gender make-up of Hollywood itself."
the basic reason is deep and universal, and hollywood merely reflects it. its probably been true as long as there has been entertainment/spectacle, as long as humans have been around. its called evolutionary psychology, nearly as paradigm-shifting as the original theory of evolution by darwin, & the feminists are pretty slow on the uptake there.
as for the stereotype of loser guys hooking up with beautiful young women, I think you will find it to be a kind of a fluke-novelty in hollywood.
and, you dont cover the reverse phenomenon that totally disproves your point. COUGAR OBSESSION. its all over the place in the media for probably half a decade. so basically its like that yin-yang symbol where there is a dot of Yang in Yin and a dot of Yin in Yang. the cougar phenomenon and loser-guys getting the women are the dots in the general field of beautiful young women going for slightly older, but wealthier and successful guys. that particular archetype is as old as humanity, as old as time, and even when hollywood deviates from it, you can still see the pattern. as they say, the exceptions make the rule. but it is true in our economic age where females can win significantly without getting married, and males can be less stereotypically aggressive to still be comfortable, the stereotypes have eroded more so ever in history.
"Does Hollywood reflect our reality — or determine it?"
an important question that is a variation of the basic scientific principle of "correlation vs causation", taught in some college level course, which unfortunately feminist criticism is very weak on. you can cite statistic after statistic about inequality in all kinds of fields andI cant challenge those whatsoever, and it may very well be that hollywood is even more distorted in gender employment balance than average.
HOWEVER, the picture is not so simple. let me just borrow wikipedias excellent link on this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_causation
to quote wikipedia:
"As ice cream sales increase, the rate of drowning deaths increases sharply.
Therefore, ice cream causes drowning.
The aforementioned example fails to recognize the importance of time in relationship to ice cream sales. Ice cream is sold during the summer months at a much greater rate, and it is during the summer months that people are more likely to engage in activities involving water, such as swimming. The increased drowning deaths are simply caused by more exposure to water based activities, not ice cream. The stated conclusion is false."
to bring this home, in feminist theory, and zillions of blogs, there are bazillions of statements in the form, "women make [x] percent of what males make" or "women are only [x] percent of all positions" etcetera. but there is a *nonsequitur* jump to, "therefore the fields are discriminating against women" without any analysis of the core correlation vs causation issue. it is not merely enough to cite these statistics although I agree they are *suggestive*
anyway, this is one particular area, hollywood gender disparity, that Ive read many articles on, and maybe I should write a post on this sometime.
Well done, Shannon!

My take, however, is: forget actresses, celebrities, ad nauseum--ALL women, mostly, are "over the hill" after 40. Even Meryl Streep had the qualifier of having her age noted--why?

The worst part of it is that women THEMSELVES contribute to that. How many women have you heard sniping about each other, beginning w/their looks and/or age?

As opposed to men, who will always be in demand just b/c they're male, and b/c some woman somewhere will take him on, no matter his drawbacks. Charles Manson, Ted Bundy, and their ilk all had more than their share of marriage proposals from their "fans" (I know TB married one). How many men would do likewise for a woman incarcerated?

If you're a woman you just can't win. I hope we're teaching our daughters to be more cohesive w/each other and not just "competition:" prettier, smarter, thinner, more popular, etc. Men get that, and they stick together. Women need learn likewise, else we wind up tearing down and so holding down each other.

Let's don't be like Rethuglicans, who've so shown how much they hate women by the despicable legislation they've recently passed: defunding Planned Parenthood, "Protect Life" (whose?) Act, and so many others I can't list them w/out losing my breakfast.
Marisa Tomei is my favorite.