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APRIL 30, 2009 11:52AM

Egypt, Pigs, Pandemic and Tyranny

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Egypt is predominantly  Moslem , you all know that.  Egypt has Christians, the biggest group are the Copts, but there are other denominations.  A small group of Copts are the Zabaleen.   Who are the Zabaleen and what does all have to do with Egyptian politics and economy?  

Zabaleen basically pick up all the rubbish, or garbage.  They have done this in Egyptian cities for centuries.   What they also do is use the organic material to feed their pigs.  They raise pigs and sell them on an as needed basis.  The service they provide is incredible.  Daily pick up and no charge.  They basically recycle pretty much all the material.  

For some time now, part of the modernization and continued corruption of Egypt by the Mubarak dynasty, they have wanted to take away that work from the Zabaleen and give garbage contracts to corporations that will do the service for a price.  Trucks sold by European companies, contracts, charges etc.  Of course the reasons used are sanitation, public health.  Instead, they should be looking for a way to help the Zabaleen enter into modern methods and sustain their way of living.   

So, what an excuse, the swine flu.  Now the Egyptian government wants to slaughter the 300,000 pigs owned by Zabaleen for the prevention of the swine flu.  The original decree was that the Zabaleen would be compensated for the pigs, but now they are saying that since they can sell the pigs, they will not be compensated.  

The Zabaleen sell pigs one by one.  They are not butchers and have no refrigeration or a system to sell the pigs.  So, it's impossible to sell pigs slaughtered en masse.  Not to mention the danger of cholera.  

Also, at this time Egypt is in the midst of many worker strikes.  What a great time to create an artificial enemy, the Zabaleen to distract from the strikes by numerous sectors.  

Yet, what do Western eyes see:  1.  The little piglets ,or 2.  The fellow OS blogger  who thinks this is a brilliant move to protect the Christians.  

First of all the Zabaleen are being scape goated and the means of survival are being taken away by the tyranny that is Mubarak, our best friend in the Middle East.  The government knows that this is not a solution, but they will use it to manipulate public opinion.  They will use it as the reason to eliminate the living of the Zabaleen.  

In the name of modernization and in the name of public health two wrongs will take place and we in the West will applaud:

1.  An impoverished minority will lose the means of sustainability, methods that date back centuries.  Modern companies will do the work with trucks and contracts, kick backs to government officials.  The west will probably give loans for this modernization and they will get to sell the trucks.  There will be ribbon cutting ceremonies and tv coverage talking about modernization.  

2.   Mubarak is using the swine flu hysteria to distract from his political problems, the strikes and general dissatisfaction by the Egyptian people with the economy and the policies.  Pigs, the symbol of the unclean and non believers will be used to redirect frustration with his regime.  

Next time you look for fanatic Isalmists, look at the regimes that we support and how they manipulate and oppress their people.   

You see when you reduce the middle east to the binaries we know, just religion, you miss the layers of economic and political nuance that complicate the issues in those countries.  Then we can justify supporting their dictators, because we convince ourselves that the dictators are good for the people and ultimately good for us.  

Whenever you see an easy binary, look underneath.  See all the layers and look at them once in a while from the point of view of the people living in that nation, not just "our interests".   

UPDATE: Here is an Egyptian bloggers collection of strike pictures.  Not much coverage in the world news.  3arabawy, is a leftist blogger from Egypt, his photography is incredible.    

 

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This just breaks my heart. I have been to Egypt and have seen the poverty. For this to happen to the poor Zabaleens is just unconscionable!
Having lived there for a period of time many years ago, I know that what you say is true. I'm DIGGing this Stellaa. This deserves a much bigger readership. Kassachta charmuta to those that think they "know" so much better.
Cartouche, thanks, shoukrin ya bint.

Kitt, things are always complicated.
I'm also rating and Digging this. More people need to be aware of the reality of what is going on. I'm ashamed to admit that I had known so little. Thank you.
The swine flu isn't actually a pandemic, either. It's a silly excuse to go about and eliminate hundreds of thousands of pigs and, in consequence, the means to gain money for the Zabaleen. Anyone remember bird flu? We survived it. And survived it without closing down borders, cities and killing thousands of animals. The answer lies in a cure--the answer itself--not the scape goat tactic of going and killing an Egyptian piglet.

Maybe it's just human nature to act out that way? Great post Stellaa, I love your blog!
First rate analysis and exposure.
I've never ever supported my tax money being sent to countries like Egypt who actually hate us and who treat their women badly. Excrutiating what is done in our name.
Thanks, guys, this really came from the gut and having lived in Egypt.
Stellaa, this is an important post. I'm glad to see the EP. I'll Digg/Redd/Facebook when I have the ability.
Excellent "eye-opener." This is indeed, a tragedy we shouldn't close our eyes to.....passing the word.
thank you for this...
This is another example of catastrophe politics. The shitheads in charge make every crisis an excuse to fuck somebody over. Sigh.

Devin, we didn't survive bird flu. The bird flu turned out not to be a particularly transmissible disease human to human, so it never became a big problem. Nevertheless millions of chickens didn't survive it, having been slaughtered as a precaution.

Stellaa, calling Cartouche a "bint" would not be politically correct in the UK where I come from. Brits picked up that word some time ago, and it's sort of derogatory the way it's used there.
Most likely GeeBee, but I am using it like they do in the villages.
I heard this on the radio yesterday, and I agree, it's a sleight, a misdirection, and totally b.s., as there have been no swine flu reported there. Here's the latest numbers I could find:

Mexico: 168 suspected deaths - eight confirmed
US: one death, at least 91 confirmed cases
New Zealand: 3 confirmed cases
Canada: 19 confirmed cases
UK: 6 confirmed cases
Spain: 10 confirmed cases
Germany: 3 confirmed cases
Israel, Costa Rica: 2 confirmed cases each
The Netherland, Switzerland, Austria, Peru: 1 confirmed case each
Great piece -- and amazingly, I found it through Reddit! You're flu piece is going viral.
Excellent piece, Stella. There's always a back story that we never hear about... Congratulations on the EP.

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I learned something new today. Thanks! Rated.
This post actually provides new information, not just a new perspective on an issue. Its the kind of value added that is all too rare, here on OS and in gereral. Interesting.
Thank you. I was wondering why there were any pigs in Egypt. I didn't realize there was a sizable population of Christians there.
Awful. The despair and poverty and thoughtless disruption! The more you see of inhumane treatment in this world the easier it is to give up.
Stellaa, thank you for posting this. I did wonder, when I saw the headlines, why on earth there were pigs in Egypt. Now I know. And they are doing the environmentally friendly task for which humans have been using them for millenia, i.e., recycling food scraps and other garbage into an edible protein source (well, edible for those who choose to indulge, anyway).

Needless to say, to replace the Zabaleens' traditional waste management role with fossil-fuel burning, CO2 spewing garbage trucks run by profit-making companies, rather than subsidizing the Zabaleen to improve their standard of living by acquiring and implementing modern upgrades to their green, sustainable waste management system, is an outrage of the foulest kind.
Thank you for this. I learned a lot about Egyptian culture (though sadly not about corrupt bureaucracy).

I especially like this statement: "Whenever you see an easy binary, look underneath."

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Stella,

Great response to my post! I’m always happy when I’m able to inspire thoughtful effort. My main point was that the Egyptians are not idiots slaughtering pigs in an ineffectual effort to reduce the chances of a swine flu outbreak which is how they are being portrayed in nearly all news stories.

In fact, other than our comments the only other reasonable point of view I can find is that Egypt took a similar action against chickens during the avian flu outbreak. Neither of us mentioned that and it undoubtedly played a role in the thinking of the Egyptian bureaucrats responsible for this decision. Sadly, though they did kill most of the country’s free range poultry, they did not eliminate the virus and there was a death last week attributed to avian flu.

I agree with you that reducing issues binary choices is almost always a mistake. However, the threat to the Coptic community from radical Muslims is real and it seems reasonable to me that someone in the Egyptian government would be thinking, “The last thing we need is a religious riot in the middle of an epidemic. Let’s just kill the pigs”. However, they might be thinking about garbage contracts as you suggest. Who knows, but you and I have looked at this a lot deeper than 95% of the international media.

You are also right about the nature of Egypt’s dictatorial government.

Good Luck!
Great piece Stella. So glad to see it getting the readership it deserves.
I am SO glad to see this at the top of the right feed, but a little horrified to see the return of the retired physician. WTF? Bump!
Heh, I just got home. Yikes, what happened? Kerry thanks for the compliment.

Genneralissimo, I did not mean to confront you, it's about Mubarak and the pigs of the Egyptian oligarchy.
Things are really bad in Egypt for everybody, especially for the copts in general and now for Zabaleen in particular. Mubarak seems to play every dangerous game and trick in the book. It seems he is creating competing groups to undermine the main islamic party, moslem brotherhood. So he is supporting the spread of radical islam and wahabi nutheads imported from saudi for that silly purpose. He is the dirty swine.
Right on Stellaa... thanks for posting
"Kassachta charmuta"

The last thing EVER I expected to read in a from a comment from Cartouche :)
Let's just pretend that sentence made sense, shall we? It's 430pm here and I'm waiting for my second wind.
Excellently illuminating.........thank you!
Insightful piece! Things very seldom are as it is portrayed on the surface, or as the powers that be wishes us to believe.
You are amazing Stellaa. I, and many others, would never have
known about this. Thank you. I am so tired of people, and animals, being scapegoated for underlying miseries.
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How sad, I didn't know about the Zabaleens and the role they serve.

Indirectly, I had the saddest dream this morning that a big, healthy pig fell into my bathtub with me in it. I knew he would die and I kept petting him and respecting him before he went through hell. I'm sad for pigs worldwide and what we do to them.
Stellaa...

Nothing to add but: RATED, and disseminated.
No situation that can inspire a bit of fear ever goes unmagnified or unexploited by the powerful. Rated. Thank you.
As soon as I heard that Mubarek was killing pigs, I knew it was for political oppression reasons and not health. Thanks for giving us the specific reasons for Mubarek's action. I wonder if Hillary Clinton is aware of this and it would seem to be the kind of human rights issue that she would want to try and do something about even if only behind closed doors. Since she took over, the State Department has a website where feedback can be provided. Maybe it would be worth checking out and seeing if something can be done about this.
Stella, thanks for bringing this to light--and now you've gone viral! Certainly isn't much coverage in world news.
This going viral thing is sort of, I don't know, interesting but will I have to see my stupid mug on the right side here like that pitt bull thing?
What about the environmental effects of removing a group that recycles all the trash, to a system that collects trash by a company, and deposits it in landfill? Has any one done an assessment of this and looked at the real costs? It seems like you could get a lot of US support for a sustainable recycling based system if you added some information about that.
Mary, I am not an expert in the field.

But, the help from first world countries usually involves the third world country buying some expensive technology or consulting from the first world country. The additional kick is that the third world country has to borrow the money from the IMF.

The way we aid and the way we "finance"progress in developing nations is dubious and filled with self interest of the developed world.
Better your face than the pit bull. Trust me. Bump.
Interesting. You are probably right about them giving loans to buy western garbage trucks. Similar things happened in Africa when they were encouraged to convert from steam to diesel railroad engines, even though coal was much more available than diesel and 30 times cheaper in some countries.
You say you are not a writer. This makes me feel bad because I think this blog is everybit as good as anything I have ever written. Thanks for bringing this little known fact to light. What a deceitful world we live in. So much is done "under cover" and with hidden intentions with the powers that be standing to gain the most from the destruction of the humble, working class!
Could be. Although I have a different hypothesis.
In my class simulations, I am modeling a Russian attempt to overturn the balance of power.
I stated on March 16 that Obama would have to deal with an epidemic, albeit cholera, based on the Zimbabwe epsidode, a lanldocked country, in which the functionality of the affair would be to raise fear to further de-stabilze the international order, and CDC does say is is an unusual virus, four strains, and where the point is to make such a thing actually not too lethal, just enough get the media to panic us, which means Obama is actually starting to do the right thing by saying it is no big deal, if the hypothesis is correct, and it was not a lucky guess/coincidence. rated though
Whew! We've supported dictators since this country became the big bully on the block. It's still a shame, though. These people are just another "group" of potential "t'rrists" to manipulate and exploit for big business profit here.
I had no idea - thanks Stella.
Stellaa - I had no idea. I've much to learn. Thanks for sharing all this.
I too had no idea- Thank you Stellaa
Thanks for sharing this and making me aware.
In the Egyptian city of Rashid as a result of an attack of crowd of Moslems the ancient Christian temple now belonging to the Benediktinsky award has been destroyed.
At the head of furious Moslems there was local lawyer Mohamed Mustafa Kamel and two his sons Mohamed and Mahmud, occupying posts of public prosecutors. Moslems have rushed into a temple, preliminary having destroyed its fencing, have devastated it and have destroyed ancient icons and hallows of the sacred.
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I read the New York Times article about the slaughter of the pigs of the Zabaleen right after I saw the documentary film Garbage Dreams at SXSW. What a brilliant film! It portrays the Zabaleen over the past few years as they have suffered at the hands of the Egyptian government who are attempting to "clean up" Egypt. It is being shown on June 9th and 10th at the Seattle Film Festival and there is also more information and photographs of Mokattam, the town the Zabaleen live in at www.garbagedreams.com. I highly recommend this film to anyone who has the time to go see it!!
We - two young girls have arrived for a week to sunbathe. The relation of companions from hotel was excessively impudent, men stuck as if generic viagra have gorged on. We, except excursions, did not leave hotel. Around wild people from 17 centuries. All was asked constantly by tip, did extra charges on meal, drinks. To buy something in Egypt - to overpay for a low-grade product. As though we on a resort in Monte-Carlo, instead of in this hole. Our "curators" constantly stuck to us and called on a disco in a city. In Red sea it is impossible to float, there everywhere corals and it is possible to cut a foot. One girl was bitten by any spider in the sea. I have not dared at divings also sister have not released, and that is known by us, than these histories come to an end.
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It wanted to me to share the opinion on this remarkable and surprising country. And very much it would be desirable to sympathise with people, expecting comments which will start to be spat at once and which in rest see only quantity of stars, service, all inclusive, the gilt toilet bowls and the licking personnel. I long tried to understand, so much negative responses about Egypt whence undertake, but and has not understood. Probably, from rage and consciousness, that time I pay, all should me. Sadly it … Such interesting and ancient country to judge only on service in hotels