Steve Klingaman

Steve Klingaman
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Steve Klingaman is a nonprofit development consultant and nonfiction writer specializing in personal finance and public policy. HIs music reviews can be found at minor7th.com.

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SEPTEMBER 15, 2011 8:35AM

Hey Mitt, Corporations AREN’T People Too

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Romney in Iowa:  “And pigs can fly, too, my friend.”

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It was an evil day at the conservative think tank when an unnamed researcher looked up from his Adam Smith concordance, slammed his palm to his temple and shouted, “I’ve got it.  Corporations are people too!”

            We all know that corporations are treated as entities, so-called “legal persons” under the law, so they can be held to account—so they can sue and be sued, enter into contracts, and so on.  Their governance structures collectivize accountability while simultaneously reducing the risks that the individuals who run them would not be personally wiped out in the event the corporation fails, er, dies.

            The utility of this legal fiction—that corporations are legal persons, or corporate personhood—is self evident from but one perspective, the viewpoint of a fictive legal universe, the universe of law.  The problem with our think tank researcher is that he (in these cases it’s almost always some poor, deluded guy) conflated legal personhood with being an actual human being.

            When the gang at the think tank stopped to ask themselves how to get the word out, they seemed to have settled on, “Let’s tell Supreme Court Chief Justice John G. Roberts and Mitt Romney; they’ll know what to do with it.”  Thus, we have Citizens United and Mitt’s famous line, “Yes, Virginia, Corporations are people too.”

            That line.  So…humanistic.  Optimistic.  Sunny, even.  Or perhaps, humanistic as in almost human.  As in, as if.

            Let’s run down a little checklist here.  Corporations:  do they need air?  Water?  Food?  Do they sleep, pee, love, speak, hug, think?  Do they die?  Well, on that latter point, yes they do.  They, like vampires, die when they lack one essential ingredient.  No, not blood, silly. Money! They die when they run out of money.  And that, in their natural ecology, is the only way they die.  Yes, you could say they die when they are acquired, but really they live on but in another form.  So deep in the DNA of American Airlines, there exists the legacy DNA of TWA. 

            So right off the bat you can see they are…different.  (I know, when we run out of money it feels like we are going to die, but we aren’t actually.  Besides we can always go to a church door, or better, Ron Paul’s door, and personally ask for help.)

            Corporations don’t need air, or water.  So they can trash the air and water like Massey Energy did and they can still survive.  Granted, Massey didn’t.  They screwed the pooch by acting like criminals and so they were acquired.  Corporations going to jail?  Don’t be silly.  What do think they are?  People?  Granted, Don Blankenship as CEO and Chair of Massey could have gone to jail if the rule of law had been applied in his case, but it wasn’t because his company was so rich that it more or less owned the government.  Amazing, I know.  But here’s the thing.  Only the individual people, the actual people who run a company can go to jail when they act like criminals. Because, although this may surprise John G. Roberts and Mitt Romney, you can’t actually throw a corporation in jail. Try as you may, it just won’t fit.

            One wag whose name I forgot recently did a cartoon in which a Frankenstein figure with the word corporation written on its clothing got up off the gurney and uttered just one phrase, “I want money.”  And that’s true, because, if we follow the logic of our research at the Adam Smith Lab, corporations only exist for one reason:  to make money for their shareholders.  They don’t raise children.  They don’t help out Mom. They don’t—I know this is hard to believe—care about democracy.  How do I know?  Because they sometimes thrive in non- or anti-democratic societies.  No, I’m not kidding. Their board members and officers may be passionate about democracy and, I believe they are at least somewhat passionate because they are so eager to participate in democracy by giving money to candidates who talk like them.   No, not about clean water, or food to eat, and not about how Mom is doing.  The candidates they prefer have one characteristic line that they repeat over and over: “I want money.”

            The trouble with Mitt, as I see it, is that he is a smooth talker.  So when he says, “I want money,” it comes out sounding like, “Corporations are people too.”  This is known by people in the trade as code.  Mitt is telegraphing to the, no, not the corporations because they don’t have ears, but to the people running them, who do, a very particular message:  if you give me a ton of money I will do your bidding when I am elected.  Mitt’s coded message is very effective because he and the corporations to which he supplicates himself want exactly the same thing:  Money.  And power.  Because power and money…oh never mind. Go ask Dick Cheney.

            Why Mitt Romney wants to be president, I have no idea.  But there is a pretty decent chance he will become president and that’s too bad because he can’t tell the difference between you and me and AT&T.  He apparently thinks we all need the same things.  And while that is true to a limited extent (we all need money) there are many, many things we need that corporations could not care less about.  And frankly, I am amazed the Mitt doesn’t get this.

            So Mitt is better at debating than his is at thinking, apparently.   For example, if corporations are people too, why aren’t charity corporations people too?  They possess few of the Citizen’s United rights that for-profit corporations possess under Citizen’s United.  Yes, there are gobbledygook nonprofit corporations that give us such mutations the NRA:  they obviously are people, right?  They can speak. They don’t say, “I want money.”  They say, “I want guns.”  And that makes them different from an actual person because, and here we begin to get redundant I fear, people can be shot and killed while needing food and money and caring for their moms while the NRA itself cannot. But that’s a story for another day.

            Today, we’ll stick to one point only.  Mitt, Adam, Bob, corporations are not people.  Not. Not. Not.

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Postscript:  I am aware that Mitt’s actual quote to the “heckler” at the Iowa State Fair last month was, “Corporations are people, my friend.”  But personally, I prefer the Santa association inferred by my version.

 

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Nice article Steve but tell it to the judges.
Corporations are aliens and they control the minds of their executives and they are taking over the planet. The people who run them and are their zombies should be called corpses.
Mitt Romney welcomes us to the world of corporate serfdom
There has always been serfdom - that’s us, the vast majority of people.

There has always been a corporation - that’s everyone not us whether a board of directors or a Kremlin, an elite minority who have usurped our power over ourselves for their own ends.

We have spent centuries exchanging one corporation for others. Sometimes at the ballot box; sometimes at the point of a gun.

As you can see by our present-day world, this has worked out really well........

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You've said : "there are many, many things we need that corporations could not care less about. And frankly, I am amazed the Mitt doesn’t get this."

He gets it.
He is hollow and not concerned.
Too bad the NRA _can't_ be shot.
-r-

No comment, you've pretty much said it all.
The real question isn't whether corporations are people, but whether Willard Romney is a person. He strikes mes as at best some sort of holographic representation of a human being. Certainly, he gives off no vibe of being a flesh and blood human with real emotions or thoughts of his own. Like a male version of a Stepford Wife, he appears willing to say anything or do anything that is expected of him.

Or is he perhaps a concoction fresh from Central Casting? That is, is he Hollywood's idea of Wall Street's idea of the perfect candidate? Well, if we're doomed to have another actor as President, I find a pretend business man to be infinitely preferable to a pretend cowboy. We've already seen that movie -- and the remake -- and I don't believe the nation can survive DC Cowboy III.
I liked your post as usual, although I have something of a different take on it.Sorry the comment is long.
It's easy at first glance to make fun of the notion of corporations as people, and there is truth in that, if that's true of all collective institutions, academic too, which are corporations as to legal personhood. Nothing is more of a vampire potetentially than a government in terms of its military, as to the Collective taking on a life of its own dangerous to its members, and, the more the government runs things, there is a potential of that happening, potentially at least, if the libertarians go too far with that too, and miss the consequences of a corporate despotism too. That suggests a balance between economic, non-profit social, and governmental institutions as what your really want, which means taking the key point you make, GOVERNANCE, seriously. The corporate people need to rethink somethings.
There was a reason that was done as to making it much, much easier to form corporations that in origin was somewhat defensibe as having good consequences even if in terms of inequality, although a lot of people at the time saw the likely result as different in practice. Violence and Social Orders has the history of it, as does on the opposite side, The Great Betryal, if not so much of course the latter. The point is that it used to be that you had to get a special act of Parliament, and then later one of the Several States, to pass an act of incorporation, which tended to lead to a lot of corruption of legislators, or so the story can be spun, to be fair, legislators being bribed to pass various special acts, like a toll road, but also colleges were that way too. As to being vampires, again, nothing is more vampirelike potentially than a military, and that's true everywhere. In any event, in the US, the states had moved, especially in the North from MA to do that on general incorporation laws by about 1850, (although its also part of Marshall's jurisprudence, and he wan't a libertarian type at all), and which did encourage a lot of industrial development, since the corporate form allows for a lot of the things you talk about as to being risk sharing, the Usual Suspect Rationalizations. As a Federal Question, the Great Betrayal has an interesting discussion of the case in 1882 that led to the application of the 14th Amendment of the corporation as a legal person, and it's not pretty; sleight of hand, judge should have recused, or been maybe prosecuted. It's also an imperfect world, and remember the reason that there were general incorporation laws, too much corruption on specific acts, ro at least so goes the story, and, its probably true. Then again, those guys can be... pretty insenstive about the consequences of Enclosure too, if it was efficient, if a lot more so for some people than others. On the other hand, the Violence and Social Orders people go too far, you would get a laugh out of it Steve, once you get the lingo, it's like "Rollerball is in the house: Now stand for the Chevron Anthem," as to the corporation as vampire, if not to them with tenured economics positions, since they don't talk about something in your post: governance. The economists did a lot of work on this, starting with Galbreath, him as to the separation of management and ownership, which leaves out workers though, probably because that sounded too Soviet. The original meaning of Soviet was Workers Council, and the Germans co-determination could be used in that context, and one can do that in a totally de-centralized allocation per the Hayek critique, as part of Social Security reform, say 40 per cent worker ownership, in the long run, individual though, maybe with unions as the proxy casting vote, if since per the Principal-Agent literature what's good for the goose is good for the gander. In other words, there's nothing wrong with corporations representing shareholder interests, but anyone paid to do anything called labor should be a shareholder, if you're using the public good provided by the legal system in the corporate form, if not the majority, partly because to make decisions, you need a little fascism-authoritarianism, and since if you went farther than that, the top three per cent will kill everyone, since that scares them too much per Socialism, even if, its owned individually and traded, if it might per Greenspan, reduce informational content in stocks compared today, but, it, would have an offsetting effect on the alignment of worker, as opposed to managerial, interests in the collective. If that was the case, you wouldn't maybe object to "corporate free speech," since it wouldn't be "free speech" for such a narrow class of people, that class of people being the small number of people who hold the bulk of corporate property, and, if you just do that by having Russel 5000 Index buying into private accounts, it might get you what you want, as to more economic democracy, without the risks of tyrannical centralization, if, there's always a boss somewhere.
Don, I can see this is right in your wheelhouse, and you have far more detail to bring to bear on the question. I could talk in more detail about the egregious distortion of stakeholder interests as opposed to shareholder interests under prevalent corporate governance structures.

The gargantuan amount of money described as corporate free speech distorts all notions of a citizens' discourse under current election law.

But Romney and his ilk, if you look closely, seem to be claiming broader constitutional rights for corporations as people on the grounds that organizations of people have all of the same rights that individuals possess. Yet, as you say, corporations exist for one purpose only--to maximize returns for shareholders. Where that leads is hard to say, but corporate oligarchy would seem to be likely outcome.
Thanks for this really excellent post, Steve Klingaman...people, families, children are getting crushed beneath the wheels of these corporations, if they would bother to stop and look down, or look back (which I think is actually the origin of the word "respect").

Thanks for mentioning the impact on Mom, too. There is just so much she can take before things start to fall apart inside of her, and at home. (Same goes for Dad and people without children, for that matter.) I hope more corporations can learn to take a longer and more holistic view someday, not see the people and earth as expendable, as theirs to trash, but we need the law to shape that. We all need to have the will to make that happen.
did you mean 'implied?'

should we not vote for mitt because of this?

what if every candidate agrees with 'citizens united' decision, should we not vote at all? or should we vote for the one that promises a tax break to our church, or gun club?
Well, if corporations are people, most of them are assholes. And who wants to hang out with an asshole? Except for Mitt's donors, that is.

That's why I got out of business years ago. Bad company all around.
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Again sorry I was so long. There's clearly a need to look at corporate governance structures as to which stakeholders are represented. Galbreath was a Leftist, and if he wasn't always right, he wasn't wrong at one point in time, like the late fifties, to point out that the separaton from management from ownership might have some long run competitive implications, which I think played out in spades in cars; they had a pretty nice captive market for a long time, and unions and management got real complacent about that, and for a long, long time. That seems to have actually changed now, if it cost a lot of jobs pointlessly, and that's to me really on both. I think actually Romney might surprise some people in this regard, and Perry too. All they need is a little political cover, from FOX BIG BROTHER COPRORATE VERSION, and, they can talk about incentives being more evenly shared, which if you do that right, might be the best thing we can do for wages and employment, over time. The theory Galbraith, (Spelling?) pointed to was that if the managers didn't own the company, they might run it into the ground, since it was someone else's money. That led to this whole principal agent literature, that got used to offer pretty big bonuses to people, which turned into an arms race at the top, which also someone as right wing as Gary Becker, Chicago Boy par excellence, could point out as maybe cascading all the way through the compensation ladder; hence some of the drive for inequality, that might not be good for anyone in the long run. Having said that, in this world, there's always inequality too; it's a question of how much, not if, and that was true pretty quickly under the Bolsheviks. But we'd probably find less angst about corporate free speech, if the speaker was reflecting more of a percentage of the voices, although, that's a two way street, in the sense that the East Asians, they tend to think maybe we got a little lazy, not enough people willing to do grunt work, too many chiefs, and not enough indians, to many managers, and not enough engineers, and maybe, even with more hours formally at work, they aren't all wrong about that, if, you don't want to work people to death too, especially if too small a percentage of people get the benefits.
This is a great piece. Now if only it could fall on the right('s) ears. Two typos - one is "to the people run them, who do" should be "running." And in the same paragraph, ..., should remove the comma, I believe.

All so well said. Thank you.
Great read, thanks Steve.
Excellent post, well deserved EP.
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I'm not sure really how I feel about Mr. Romney. I'm still undecided on him, not because of his Mormonism (which actually is a plus, in my opinion) but because he does seem a little too slick and hasn't demonstrated the quality I desire most in a politician: some ability to view an argument from both sides without demonizing the opposing one.

That said, I don't think Romney really thinks that corporations, specifically, are people, but we should never forget that they are composed of people. They are an abstract entity. So I often find myself wondering, what's the good in taxing an abstract entity? If you and Joe Blow come together, have what you think is a great idea, and want to form a company to carry that idea out, why should I tax not only you and Joe Blow, but the idea you came up with?

To me it seems anti-American, as America itself is an abstract entity and thrives only if we continue to realize that.
terrific piece--this needs to be bore widely read...rated
Corporations are the sum of their parts. Their parts are people. Exxon is not a couple or even a hundred rich people at the top. They are hundreds of thousands of people, all working together to make a living for themselves and to return a profit for the shareholders. The shareholders are people....they are police pension funds, they are teacher pension funds, they are auto union pension funds, who are also just people. Corporations are the sum of all these entities and they are all connected and all people. Corporations feed, clothe, provide for educations, vacations, healthcare and the overall welfare of the individual. If you are lucky enough to work for a good one all your life you are a very lucky person and if you look at it that way, the corporation is very lucky to have you as well. Corporations are people and if you can't see that, then I feel sorry for you.
Just plain folks, eh, PonteVedraMan?
"terrific piece--this needs to be bore widely read...rated"

At times, the typo spirit intervenes with great intelligence.

As the corporation is strictly a legal construct, it is, I suppose, inevitable that a commentary on the subject by a layman will be flawed, but this post really overproves that proposition.
Ponte VedraMan, there is a lot of truth in what you say, and ideally it is a win-win situation for the company, employees, shareholders, the economy, and the environment (the envirnoment often loses, but some corporations work very hard to minimize or offset the environmental impact of what they are doing). Corporations can be a very positive way of doing business, and people working for those companies with a positive culture and business practices are very lucky. The problem is when some corporations disregard human rights and/or the environment, or when the interests of the corporation take on too much power, and affect our national or even international policy, favoring corporate profit at the expense of what is in the best interest of our nation (and other nations) as a whole; or favoring corporate profits over human rights or protecting the environment. Each corporation has a different culture and philosophy, which predominantly seems to come from the top, and the law is needed to rein in those with destructive and harmful practices.
Gordon, You are slipping. I have read much better dismissive tone in other comments. How about rising to the occasion and defending Mitt's point of view? Your own is not in question here.

Clay, of course I am not saying corporations are inherently evil. Many practice a degree of enlightened self interest. Some use a thin veneer of social responsibility to mask much larger destructive effects. And they are, as Gordon agrees with me, "strictly a legal construct," therefore they are not simply "people" in the collective as PonteVedraMan holds. This is essentially where Mitt gets it all wrong.
Steve the first time I heard this animal present this speech I wondered where all the American Rifles were being stored. Obama is bad but his guy has earned an American Fatwa issued upon the lives of him and all his ilk. There's nothing wrong with Mitt that his pals didn’t use to fix Kennedy. Andrew Jackson or George Washington would have shot this man on sight, as Mick Jagger once said “he shot me once but I shot him twice and I watched him die, I watched him die”
If a corporation is strictly a legal construct, as Gordon says, then how can it also be a person? Are people legal constructs? Are you? Am I?

And if, as PVM suggests, any collection of people can be considered a person, that really opens up a door, doesn't it? From now on, I guess unions are people too, and shall have all of the rights accorded to people. Yay!
@Jack H. You're kidding...right??

Jeanette, Exactly. Let's see. A gang is a person possessing the right not to self-incriminate. Perfect. Works for corporations, too!
The Mafia are people too!
Well done, Steve. As stated in the comments, corporations are not inherently evil. They are, however, inherently sociopathic. Remember the days when Google was cheered on as a young, idealistic company only interested in improving search capabilites and not being evil?
I totally agree with you Steve, and got a little off topic from your main point. That kind of thinking, corporations=people is very harmful, and goes along with the recent changes such as Citizens United and the decision of the Supreme Court to block the sex-bias case brought against Walmart, giving corporations more legal power, and individuals (or groups of individuals) less.

I think (also off topic) that certain unsavory business practices are seen as more and more acceptable, more the norm today, for example the huge increase in discrepency between employee and CEO salaries seen in recent years, with CEOs staying at companies for only a few years, which basically encourages unfettered greed and self interest. I think there should be a cap on those salaries, i.e. the highest paid person in a corporation can only make x times the amount of the lowest paid. Maybe they would attract more reasonable people, who were willing to stay with a company over the long term and care about the other people working there, too, and have a more long-term and sustainable vision.

If your employees are barely making ends meet, have inadequate or no health care, and you are making multimillions, there is something very, very wrong.

Actually, it's a basic human right (according to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights) that people be able to make a living wage that is adequate for their health and well being, have equal pay for equal work, and ensures "an existence worthy of human dignity." Our recent laws seem to be moving away from the protection of basic human rights for everyone, that is, each actual living, breathing person.
They do pee and they do shit -- all over us.
Christ, a corporation consists of people, yeah, but that clump o' people shouldn't have the same status as a single person. I only because those people in the corp are having double rep as people ... except most of them don't actually: it's the CEO and a few others at the top who get the advantages of this personhood, as in influencing political outcomes. It's like comparing bicycles and jet planes, just because they're both methods of transportation and consist of metal parts.
Vermont - a progressive and self-reliant state - has much to claim in leading the way out of this corporate rule.

For other efforts, check out the work of the CELDF - Center for Environmental Legal Defense Fund - which is leading a charge in the States to highlight the path communities can take to protect themselves from corporate overrule via state charter system.
People, some of whom have social consciences, often find it in themselves to care for others, like the old, weak, indigent, ill -- and NOT only those who enrich them.

When a corporation"protects shareholder interests" (a fiction I discuss in "Malled") it forgets that the people who have paid INTO those pensions might, in fact, be quite individually horrified by the collective behavior of the money guys who make sure to maximize their profits -- by totally screwing **other** people who don't belong to these pension funds.

This is why American capitalism is in such a mess. It is a zero-sum game. I am going to win BIG -- but you, buddy, are going to lose. And, somehow, it's all your own fault.

When I worked as a retail sales clerk for The North Face, in January 2009, we were told -- workers making $9-11/hr, no bennies, no commission -- the company (whose parent, VF Corporation is the world's largest apparel maker) "could not afford" to keep us working the hours we were then committed to. I was working....seven hours a week. They cut it to five (saving a fat $22 on my labor costs by trimming two hours of my time from their books.) That month, The Wall Street Journal reported that VF sat on $382 million in cash.

"Can't afford" our labor is a fiction, a lie, a deceit, an obscenity -- when millions of Americans cannot even **find** a job.
Companies are run by alien robot slaves. Yep. No people there.
In the kindest, possible way I actually suspect Mitt Romney to be a psychopath. The "Corporations are people too" element might actually be easier for such a person to swallow, as psychopaths generally lack feelings such as empathy or remorse.

One in 25 business leaders could be a psychopath, according to research done for BBC horizon:
http://www.managementtoday.co.uk/news/1088849/

That is, you're about 4 times more likely to run into a psychopath in the upper management of the business community than in the general public.

If you look at the checklist of symptoms and make observations, Romney seems to fit many of them. His business history DOES put him in the statistical risk group though.

(Note: I'm NOT a doctor and certainly unqualified to make such a diagnosis.. it's JUST a suspicion I have.)