Robertson: “God Even Angrier with Chile than Haiti"
Citing what he described as the “the persecution of a great hero who rid their land of Godless communists” as a possible cause, prominent TV evangelist and amateur seismologist Pat Robertson today argued that the 8.8 magnitude of the earthquake that struck Chile early this morning should serve as a warning to the population that “God is even angrier with them than he is with the people of Haiti.”
“If I had to guess, I’d say it must have to do with Chile’s persecution and attempted prosecution of their great former leader, and a personal hero of mine, Augusto Pinochet – who, it should be noted, had never been convicted of a crime when the Lord called him home three years ago.” The popular host of ‘The 700 Club’ and longtime bingo circuit icon also added, “General Pinochet not only assisted the CIA in the overthrow of Chile’s Marxist government, but is widely credited with personally arranging the meetings of hundreds, perhaps thousands, of his countrymen with Jesus.”
General Pinochet, who spent the last eight years of his life fighting prosecution on human rights and other charges before succumbing to congestive heart failure in December 2006, could not be reached for comment, even by Robertson. The General–turned-Dictator has long been considered a transformative figure in the field of Crimes Against Humanity as a result of his landmark policy of ‘Forced Disappearance’, and was even honored in 1998 with the first-ever arrest warrant for a former head of state under the principle of ‘universal jurisdiction’ by Spanish Judge Baltasar Garzon, who is currently investigating former Bush Administration officials for War Crimes and Crimes Against Humanity.
For his part, Robertson, who reportedly lobbied then-President George W. Bush on behalf of former Liberian Dictator and accused Human Rights criminal Charles Taylor in exchange for lucrative gold mining contracts, says that he is “praying that the people of Chile will heed this warning, and never again blaspheme against God and international free-market commerce by nationalizing their most precious natural resources.”


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Whichever way this spins its a hilarious post,
When Australia invades America next week you can be chief of propaganda and Stephen (Carrie) King can be your deputy.
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Some people are too mean to live. Damn. Dementia with a microphone is just too much. Thanks for letting us know, and putting it so well.
I ordinarily much value Salon -- particularly the posts of Juan Cole. Now, because the editors here so carelessly let this one appear as an "editor's choice," thinking it was "real."....
Cheapens everything else at Salon.
I just unsubscribed. My time, energy, and emotions have been violated -- needlessly.
I'm out of here.
You know, he may well say something just like this. He's batshit crazy, after all.
have condoned what happened in Chile . In fact he would have done better...he would have shared what he had...as in fishes and loaves. Do you remember that part? What is the matter with you?
For how to really invoke the Supreme Being's wrath, check out those former dinosaurs of about 65 million years ago. No mere earthquake for them. They got a giant asteroid! Can't imagine what level of waywardness they'd sunk to. You'd think that after a couple of hundred million years of reasonably good behavior, they might have been let off with a warning. Well, they do say that the ways are mysterious.
Speaking of stupid, if Al Gore claimed that the recent earthquakes are more proof of man-made global warming, how many suckers would uncritically lap up that crapola?
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PAT ROBERTSON DID NOT REALLY SAY THAT GOD PUNISHED CHILE. THE ARTICLE IS SATIRE.
Say the word "satire" out loud several times. Look it up in the dictionary.
You correctly offer a precis of Pinochet here, for those who don't know. For those of us who lived thru his American-sponsored untouchableness, the women in black, his belated comeuppance, his modern era fascism overturned at last, Robertson's remark is nothing less than an apologia of Klaus Barbie or Pol Pot.
There is a God. When she needs a good laugh she listens to Robertson.
Indeed. The only thing I would add is my favorite quote from Wavy Gravy:
If you lose your sense of humor, it's just not funny any more.
Great post, Desperate Blogger.
So easy for some of us to say not to take the world so seriously, when the photos and news have been painful to see and something to take seriously.
I'm sorry it's an editor's pick too -- I'm a fan of Salon -- but not in this case.
However, Mr. Robertson stands as a fine example of why late term abortions should be allowed.
And that's very very very late term, if you get my drift.
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he is god. He passes judgement on people he knows nothing about.
From the sound of it, its because they dont want to allow him to
mine for gold in their country...He is evil, in its largest degree.
What's next?
Rush claims that government-run building codes were to blame for every building that fell down?
Newt Gingrich comes up with eight adjectives that all conservatives have to use to describe the quake?
JohJohn McCain says the rescue operations is going to cost too much and insists that the rescuers start over from their barracks?
Obama offers to have a beer with the looters?
Hillary goes down there and actually gets shot at?
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children in the playground. And this is the best we can do?
we might as well stomp on the detonator, and get it over with.
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"...prominent TV evangelist and amateur seismologist Pat Robertson"
"The popular host of ‘The 700 Club’ and longtime bingo circuit icon also added..."
"...credited with personally arranging the meetings of hundreds, perhaps thousands, of his countrymen with Jesus.”
"General Pinochet, who (... died ...) in December 2006, could not be reached for comment, even by Robertson."
"... and was even honored in 1998 with the first-ever arrest warrant for a former head of state under the principle of ‘universal jurisdiction’"
I'm sorry you don't find this sufficient.
As our President says, if you have a better idea, I'm all ears...
I bought it. Because he could, and he might still, say such things.
Frankly, I'd like any of the smug people who knew INSTANTLY it was a satire (and what the hell's wrong with the rest of us morons with no command of the language?) to point out one sentence in it that would have been written differently if Robertson actually HAD said all these things, which are in fact far less outrageous than his comments about Haiti and Satan.
If the majority of the people here reading the post didn't catch the gag, imagine what the people who only glanced at the newsletter, saw the headline link, but didn't follow it are thinking. Who's going to tell them the piece the link went to was only kidding? Salon Fail.
“If I had to guess, I’d say it must have to do with Chile’s persecution and attempted prosecution of their great former leader, and a personal hero of mine, Augusto Pinochet – who, it should be noted, had never been convicted of a crime when the Lord called him home three years ago.”
he is “praying that the people of Chile will heed this warning, and never again blaspheme against God and international free-market commerce by nationalizing their most precious natural resources.”
???
p.s. kinda the point here...
Not getting Salon's newsletter, I had no idea how this was presented. If the newsletter comes from Salon, in particular, rather than Open Salon, which, as we see, has more varied content, then I must agree.
Thanks for the post, I've been wondering about the reaction myself...
BTW-Can someone explain the word I saw in a post~~"asterixs"?
Are reading comprehension skills relics of the past in our post-literate age?
As frustrating as it may be, criticism and/or anger should really be directed at the source of the problem --Pat Robertson himself.
It is he and he alone who is responsible for the fact that it's so easily believed that he said such outrageous crap...
I enjoyed your piece and agree that Robertson is a fool who says mad things. But, the problem facing our society is that truth perishes when idiots duel. There is no shortage of stupidity on either side of the political spectrum. Honest debates occur when the contending sides, operating in good faith, simply lack the necessary data to reach clear conclusions. When ideologues falsify facts and distort reality to advance their agendas, something important is lost.
I have no love for George Bush, but the left's Big Lie, the monstrous falsehood that he knew there were no WMD in Iraq, is a case in point. Forget about the geopolitics: there were plausible reasons to topple Saddam and plausible reasons to maintain the status quo. To argue that the Bushies crafted a lie that was certain to be exposed and equally certain to hurt them badly insults everyone's intelligence. A child knows that people tell lies to derive benefits unavailable from telling the truth. To pretend that Bush went in looking for weapons he knew wouldn't be found, while his personal approval ratings plummeted, is to announce that you are devoid of critical thinking skills. Whether or not we approve of Bush's Iraq policy, let's agree that he was kicking the furniture when no stockpiles of prohibited weapons turned up.
Lefties drip condescension and mock people on the right who act like idiots. Rightwingers do the same when lefties act like idiots. Surely, it is the idiocy that should be mocked. Why do we give a pass to the side that comforts our prejudices?
Now, 36 hours after EQ we're in our jobs, sending help to our brothers, worried of real things.
If you don't want or can't help us, shout your mouth!
You got me! Those statements certainly ring true.
However, I do find it hard to believe that Pat Robertson would pass at a chance to attack Chile's president, Michelle Bachelet (socialist, avowed atheist, single mom).
Seriously, don't you know that - in a world where the Pat Robertsons say stupid, crazy things that are reported as fact - satire doesn't work. See: http://open.salon.com/blog/runaway_serfer/2009/09/08/we_live_in_an_age_where_satire_doesnt_work
Did anyone besides me get the impression that CNN news readers actually seemed disappointed that Hawai'i survived the tsunami without damage or loss of life.
I also have very little use for putting words into other people's mouth, even if those words are characteristic of what other people say. To me, this borders on slander. It is not satire. It is simply misquoting and fabrication.
Mr Robertson says plenty of things that can be legitimately debated. This stroll through fantasy is merely inflammatory.
Editor's Choice? Wow.
BUT then i sussed it was satire and had a good laugh. this ain't Wells' War of the World, folks. lighten the f@ck up!
rated for snarky satire. :-)
Duh!
http://open.salon.com/blog/banterrific/2010/02/27/if_god_hates_haiti_he_must_really_fucking_hate_chile
I have to figure that some people, God puts in the world as a warm, loving light. Others? So we know what NOT to be like.
The apostle Paul taught his followers to bless their persecutors and not curse them (Romans 12:14), to care for their enemies by providing them with food and drink (12:20), and to pay their taxes and obey all earthly governments (13:1-7). He mentioned giving all his belongings to feed the hungry (I Corinthians 13:3), and taught giving to the person in need (Ephesians 4:23). He told his followers it was wrong to take their conflicts before non-Christian courts rather than before the saints. (I Corinthians 6:1)
Paul taught that "it is good for a man not to touch a woman," i.e. , it is best to be celibate, but because of prevailing immoralities, marriage is acceptable. Divorce, however, is not permissible, except in the case of an unbeliever demanding separation. (I Corinthians 7)
Paul repeatedly attacked sexual immorality."This is God's will—your sanctification, that you keep yourselves from sexual immorality, that each of you learn how to take his own wife in purity and honor, not in lustful passion like the gentiles who have no knowledge of God." (I Thessalonians 4:3-5)
Paul told his followers not to associate with sexually immoral people (I Corinthians 5:9-12, 6:15,18). He condemned homosexuality (Romans 1:24-27) and incest (I Corinthians 5:1).
"Make no mistake," warned Paul, "no fornicator or idolater, none who are guilty either of adultery or of homosexual perversion, no thieves or grabbers or drunkards or slanderers or swindlers, will possess the kingdom of God." (I Corinthians 6:9-10 [NEB])
Paul condemned wickedness, immorality, depravity, greed, murder, quarreling, deceit, malignity, gossip, slander, insolence, pride (Romans 1:29-30), drunkenness, carousing, debauchery, jealousy (Romans 13:13), sensuality, magic arts, animosities, bad temper, selfishness, dissensions, envy (Galatians 5:19-21; greediness (Ephesians 4:19; Colossians 3:5), foul speech, anger, clamor, abusive language, malice (Ephesians 4:29-32), dishonesty (Colossians 3:13), materialism (I Timothy 6:6-11), conceit, avarice, boasting and treachery. (II Timothy 3:2-4)
Paul told the gentiles to train themselves for godliness, to practice self-control and lead upright, godly lives (Galatians 5:23; I Timothy 4:7; II Timothy 1:7; Titus 2:11-12). He instructed them to ALWAYS pray constantly. (I Thessalonians 5:17)
Paul praised love, joy, peace, kindness, generosity, fidelity and gentleness (Galatians 5:22-23). He told his followers to conduct themselves with humility and gentleness (Ephesians 4:2), to speak to one another in psalms and hymns; to sing heartily and make music to the Lord. (Ephesians 5:19; Colossians 3:16)
Paul wrote further that women should cover their heads while worshiping, and that long hair on males is dishonorable. (I Corinthians 11:5-14) According to Paul, Christian women are to dress modestly and prudently, and are not to be adorned with braided hair, gold or pearls or expensive clothes. (I Timothy 2:9)
Yet the Christians I encounter ignore the New Testament as a whole, and focus only on one of Paul's statements to justify their hedonism. The late Reverend J.R. ("Regina") Hyland, an evangelical minister, a vegan, and author of God's Covenant with Animals (it's available through PETA), told me they're quoting Paul out of context. Paul, she observed, was very strict with himself:
"But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection; lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway." (I Corinthians 9:27)
Regina Hyland said further that this verse indicates it's possible for one to lose one's salvation (a point of contention among born agains!).
My friend Ruth Enero, a Catholic peace activist whom I very much respect, also says they're quoting Paul out of context. Paul, she says, had a "thorn" in his side, and asked the Lord what to do about it. The response was simple: "My grace is sufficient for thee." This was a response to a specific problem, not a license to do as one pleases, or why else would Paul himself have given so many other moral instructions?
Reverend Frank Hoffman, a retired vegan Methodist minister, and owner of the www.all-creatures.org Christian vegetarian website says, "I agree with Ruth."
These Christians who focus only on II Corinthians 12:8-9 MUST be quoting Paul out of context, because otherwise it doesn't make any sense: on the one hand, Paul is warning that drunkards, thieves, homosexuals, etc. will not inherit the kingdom of God, and on the other hand he's saying if you call on Jesus three times. . .you can do whatever you want?!
My friend Frank Morales (now a professor of religion) said:
"Someone should tell all this to Pat Robertson--he's still trying to outlaw abortion."
My problem really isn't with Christians not being able to follow Jesus or Paul, but with the hypocrisy of going around saying "I believe," and then ignoring the rest of what their religion dictates when it suits them. Why not just be secular, like everyone else? (It would certainly make things easier for those of us in the vegetarian and animal rights movements.)
It’s my contention we Americans really live in a secular society; one in which people just pay lip service to religious ideals.
Chile--Chili---pepper---hot--hell--hell is hot! So Chile is connected to HELL! Who lives in hell? Pat's friend, Jerry Falwell--or, hopefully he squeaked through on God's mercy--but--SATAN... SATAN lives in hell.
So Chile is connected to SATAN.
Understand?
As far as your political views, I am very happy to learn that you are of a leftist inclination, so I am glad that you are probably disapointed that the left has "left the building" and we are moving back to the center, where we have always been!
I am a 63 year old grandma, nobody can tell me horror stories about any Government, I have lived through all of them and they all have good things and bad things. So all I can tell you is grow up!
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I always felt it was just those on the Right that had difficulty in spotting satire and sarcasm but I guess not and poor old Michael Green got all worked up. Heh heh.
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Articles like the above create a huge problem of people believing something that is not true. Deception. Wrong.
As the author, I never made any pretensions that it was anything but satire. My website: http://www.thedesperateblogger.com is pretty clear on that, and anywhere else it's posted (by me) it is labeled (note tags).
Additionally, if parts of the article stating that a person who has been dead for more than three years "could not be reached for comment" or that the same individual was "honored" with an arrest warrant aren't good enough hints...
Please do not take this as a swipe at you personally, as if you had read other comments left here you would be well aware that many people did not realize it was satire.
I guess what puzzles me is this: Why is it that when people jump to the wrong conclusion because they don't pay attention to what they are reading, it's the author's fault??
If you or I or anyone else had to waste our time pandering to the intellectually deficient, there would be no more time for intelligent satire. Comments like those proffered by Riker and Jeff need not be addressed. I would no less argue with flat-earth theorists or creationists.
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as far as "the accuser" tag goes on Satan.
It is very well defined throughout scripture,
beginning with what may very well be the oldest of books, the Book of Job in the Old Testament.
Here Satan accuses God of over-protecting Job.
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Humans have raped and pillaged the earth, and the Earth, as well as us individuals, has Karma. It is not the Haitans that were paying for the Karma that Man has done, it is us, all of us, every Human is paying for what we have done to the Earth.
You can still stop more of this from happening. LOVE is the answer, send love to everyone and open your heart chakra and ask for forgivensess, change the world, right now, wherever you are, whatever you are doing, just ask for the light to shine through you and save the world.
Miracles can happen - don't blame the creator, this world was perfect, it was the human experience that got greedy and ruined everything by their selfishness and material greed.
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People like Robertson first find places that have suffered tragedy, THEN try to justify why they have suffered due to some "evil" that they have committed. It is done to add "proof" to their message, because after all, Chile did suffer disaster! Of course, this "proof" doesn't hold up for a second, but it doesn't matter.
It can't be the other way round, to find somewhere that is seemingly evil and wait for them to suffer disaster - there is a chance of being proven wrong.
What a terrible way to steal false credibility for your message from tragedy, senseless brutality and death.
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