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NOVEMBER 24, 2008 2:31PM

Hey, just so you know, it is already too late.

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it is. trust me on this. she just went to the bathroom, she's waiting in line for it, she's like second in line, so we have a few minutes, maybe more, but at least a few, so time's kinda of the essence here.

you've ruined the date, your first date, it's over. cause you ruined it. she came here first, she sat at the bar, and she was excited. you could just tell. the trill, the tee-hee, the twitter in her voice when she snuck in a call to her friend. (when they call their friends right before, that's a good sign, one of the best.) hushed breathless anticipatory tones. you showed up, and the look in her eyes, the sparkle the gleam the glint. i've seen that look. not directed at me, but ... at others. that's the look of 'this could be something here.'

it could have been but now it's not.

what killed it - no, not killed it, but ... struck it a crippling blow - was when you made damn sure the coupon you had was valid and could be used on your dinner. you could have asked but you didn't. you said i CAN use this coupon, CAN'T i? i'm ten feet away and i heard you crystal clear. you said it too loud. i don't think that impressed her very much.

did you see anything on the menu that was super expensive? you couldn't've. it's not possible, cause everything's comparatively cheap. that's how we stay in business. we don't exactly thrive, but we sure as shit survive. i was able to buy a car thanks to this place, a car.

and in my experience, this place is a bad idea for a first date and a bad idea made EVEN WORSE by using a coupon in a haughty tone. hey, hey hey hey, i don't make the rules, i just live by 'em, as we all must.

and just for your information, i was stone broke once. shit, first five years after college, shit, paycheck to paycheck? i know what that's like. lucky for me i never had any dates. lucky for me, a woman wouldn't've touched me with the ten foot pole of their worst ENEMY. so i didn't hafta worry bout seducing on a shoe-string. but if i DID, i wouldn't've used a coupon. i woulda found a way to woo 'em without looking like scrooge mcduck. (i used to promise myself i would were i ever given the chance.)

and your haughty tone. she didn't care for that. (tone accounts for a lot, it speaks to character.) where'd you get that haughty tone, finishing school? you go to that school that's in gossip girl? that where you made your tone so haughty? you're not so big. i imagine you get your ass beat, a regular basis, you talk to someone like that, with that tone. (steve, he knows how to handle that tone. there's these regulars who he doesn't like very much and they don't like him either, but they keep requesting his station, then they use that tone on him.)

hey, don't get all kill the messenger with me. I'M not the one sounds like george plimpton in high dudgeon. I'M not the one sounds like buckley taking umbrage.

but, that's not even what killed this date. no sirree bob, the thing that killed it, the coup de GRACE was when you ordered for her, a medium new york strip with mashed on the side. she didn't want that. know how i know? cause she was trying to tell you she didn't, that's what all those uhhs and umms and actuallys were for, and how she kept perusing the menu. but you cut her off, with a dismissive wave of the hand and then your boorish insistence that no no no the new york strip is a good steak (it is, but ... you know ... that's not exactly germane to this here discussion).

that, dear boy, is the death knell. the presumptuous ordering for her then ordering the wrong thing. ask not for whom the bell tolls, or whatever, cause you're done.

she's in the bathroom right now, so she'll be back momentarily then we'll see if i'm right or if i'm wrong (i'm right).

look, okay, look, i know what you're trying to tell me, you're ... all right, good, you just told me, fine, you can tell me to 'i go on plenty of dates and i am doing fine, it goes swimmingly well' all you want, you really can, but wait and see. she'll come back icy as an iceberg. (dollars to donuts, she didn't really have to pee or whatever. she just wanted to get away from your boorish haughty ass, if only for a moment or two.) you'll be all like, shall we continue this elsewhere? a few drinks? i know of a place that is perfectly charming (you probably have a two for one drinks coupon for it, especially if the place you're talking about is that faux irish hunka crap that's going under, and boy is that place ever not charming). she'll say something like hell no, something of that nature. you will, most likely, misinterpret that as a desire on her part to just head back to yours or hers for at the very least the removal of a few interesting, randy articles of clothing.

(this is not what she has in mind.)

make no mistake, she wants to go home. her home. alone. without you. or to a place where some of her friends are so they can give her words of encouragement, tell her to hang in there, there's someone out there who doesn't have an upper crusty nasally voice and who'll let you order the broiled walleye (if that's what she wanted to order).

i do hope, though, that when she opts to just hop in a cab right out front, you go in for the kiss. i'd love to see that, and i will be waiting inside, at the front window, watching. cause she will drop you like a safe and i wanna see how she does it, what manner she chooses. could be the flinch, could be the look away, could be the offered cheek, could be the pity peck, could be the wave off and subsequent handshake, could be the smile-and-shake-my-head-and-chortle-at-your-thinking-i-was-gonna-kiss-you. fact is, i don't know how she'll do it. i'm dying to find out.

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OMG - squirrel, you should have a TV show, or at least a radio show -- "why, you're still such a loser, dude." You are THE MAN and you totally nailed this one.

And, oh, for the record, she is so totally calling her friend in the bathroom or at least texting her to tell her what a jerk this guy is. Or perhaps, she is maybe calling her friend to pick her up outside and going out the back entrance.
now if only i was brave enough to admit the guy was me, i was the guy.
A coupon on the first date, what class and he ordered for her, jeez this guy could consider himself lucky getting a handshake at the end of the night. But you can't beat customer service jobs for people watching and you get paid for it...
He sounds like those guys that complain that woman only want bad boys because he's a "nice guy" and has a hard time with women.
I am agog, aghast, and all wrung out, squirrel.

May this Boory McBoorsten spend the rest of his years ordering half-price NY strips for his right hand.
boory mcboorsten. that's a good one. me use that now.
Did this guy go to the Chicago Postsecondary School for Chauvanists?

I mean, I NEVER presumed to order for my dates. All three times.

This is Darwinism in action, squirrel. Survival of the fittest means his sperm will die a lonely death on a toilet seat. As it should be.
So, dammit, talk - how DID she brush him off in the end?
S.--I don't believe for a sec that this was you, ever. I'd like to know the end of the story please. And if this girl bought any of this stuff, then, well, she's just desperate. BIG red flag on the first date that the coupon was used at all, but what sent chills up my spine was the haughty tone. Oh, that tone would only be the beginning of the subtle beratings, the subtle "I know better than you". All your restaurant experience...you could be an arm chair relationship expert and be damn good at it. Great post.
uh, the end was in fact a bit painful to watch. he did go in for the kiss (she drove, parked across the street), and she just steered well away, with her head, you know what i mean, and gave him a hug. almost made me feel sorry for him. almost. (cause ... you know ... i've had that happen to me and it ain't a good feeling.)
then she got in her car real fast.
You nailed it S. Don't feel bad for the guy, I mean I know why you do, but you know, it's the only way he'll ever figure it out.
This is my favorite so far.
o, o, o...this is too good!
oh too too funny :D The coupon wouldn't have bothered me, but ORDERING for me- whoo baby, that's a deal breaker
my wife has a 'tone' :/ It sounds especially funny with her Texas accent. This will probably offend everyone here but I call it the "I've got my PhD voice" I love her, but that attitude, she never pulls that shit at home.
"hey, don't get all kill the messenger with me. I'M not the one sounds like george plimpton in high dudgeon. I'M not the one sounds like buckley taking umbrage."

Great. I've seen both acts. Buckley was really impressive during the Repub Natl Conf. when Gore Vidal called him a cryptonazi. Big Bill threatened to take Vidal out in the alley and beat his ass. Poor little GV was shaking like an old dog passing peach pits.
AN OLD DOG PASSING PEACH PITS? I'M STEALING THAT ONE TOO.
Hilarious. You do need a radio show.
Broiled Walleye was clearly the right choice for her and superior intelligence that she had a get away car to boot! The coupon was the sincher for her. She barely made it through the evening and couldn't have been happier escaping to the ladies room to resussitate herself before making the long, slow walk back to the table to endure this date to it's decisive end.
You know? If I weren't married. And you weren't married. I'd marry you just to cheer myself up when I'm down. You are THE man squirrel. Sometime later this evening something you said in this post will get me to giggling and I'll look like an idiot. Hope you're happy.
AWESOME.

And I've seen these dates before myself.
well, i'm not married, gracielou, so YOU'RE the one that's holding us back, not me. you. (now if my girlfriend happens to be looking at this, i'm just kidding, sweetie ...)
Not that I'm feeling competitive with gracielou or anything, but if I still lived in chi-town, I'd be stalking you like a great big stalkery thing. I'd have figured out which one of those places just a ten-minute walk off the [Brown? Purple? Red? Orange? Blue? Green? Yellow?] line is yours, and I'd be settling in for a few martinis and that crock pot dish.

Oh, yes I would.
AGGGh. HUBRISTIC. CHEAP. NO CLASS.

I have ALWAYS been a magnet for men like that, and they always thought they had carte blanche to be all of the above just because they were rich or good looking or both.

Men like that are the one good reason why I started dating women. Many years down the road I finally found one who wasn't (all of the above) - and I asked him to marry me.

::SHUDDER: Uck, I'm having creepster flashbacks

Excellent post, jeez squirrel, sometimes you are almost TOO real
I think I dated this guy. How did you know?
I'M not the one sounds like buckley taking umbrage.

classic.
EP. Did I not say it? The man. Now you can go to sleep. :) Oh, by the way...just a girlfriend, huh? Son! Take a look at yourself! Now her. Marry her now. While she's still drunk. Hee Hee.
if the guy was you, well, that's OK b/c any guy that can say "I'M not the one sounds like george plimpton in high dudgeon" is a guy that will eventually find a girl who is into that.
for the record - I don't think using a coupon is grounds for condemnation. Great guy does not equal rich guy. Great guy = guy who has sense of humor about himself and his circumstances, neither of which get in the way of him noticing the admirable qualities of his date. So coupon, no biggie. Cheap not even that big of a biggie if it's not pathological. Asking if the coupon is still valid in a non-ironic voice that sounds like george plimpton in high dudgeon is not frugal or cheap or great, it's a guy who hasn't been told enough times what an ass hat he sounds like.
I almost feel sorry for the guy you're writing about. Some time along the line, someone (maybe his mother, or that female friend-type) told him that one of the most romantic things a man can do for a woman is order her meal.

Now he does it on some dates and he doesn't understand why he's not getting a good reception.
You know? This also is my favorite so far. Totally great. UNTIL IT WAS RUINED by the image of a dog passing peach pits.

Gah. I just shivered.
Some day I want to stand up in the middle of a bad date, knock what is left in my glass back, toss some money on the table, say "this is not working for me" and walk out. A woman can dream.
"AN OLD DOG PASSING PEACH PITS? I'M STEALING THAT ONE TOO."

Help yourself, squirrel. Some folks just know a good simile when they see one. Ahem.
Where was this kind of writing when the young and the clueless really needed it? You are reminding me with a wincing glance back how much time was wasted feeling obliged to be kind to people who didn't deserve it. This is a public service piece of perspective.
Can I weigh in on the coupon issue? Why didn't he just call ahead and then slip the coupon to the waiter when he first arrived? I know, I know, he also should have not shown up late, not ordered for her, and also somehow de-snobbified his voice. But really.

As for the ordering, in my very short career as a waitress, I had one man who ordered for his wife. He must have seen the surprise on my face, because he explained that he likes to figure out how she is feeling that night and what she would want to eat. Apparently if he gets it wrong she will speak up, and I can attest to the fact that she chose her own dressing for the house salad. Maybe she was the Annie to her John Glenn. Who knows?
I'm late coming to this entry, but so thankful I did not miss it. Everyone else has said it all, but geez, you really did nail it. So funny, so true. I've added you to my friends list so I can find your future posts quickly!
Ok...a. this TOTALLY cracked me up, I missed it first go-round so I'm glad they posted a link to it on the main site.

b. I am kind of wondering about the title they gave it... "How to blow a first date...from an eyewitness". Maybe it's just me. Maybe not?
I hate to break up the congratulatory fanfare (it is good writing), but this is nonsense.

If the woman in question was attracted enough to the guy in question, all of the so-called 'mistakes' would have been forgiven.

The coupon would have been a demonstration of 'thrift', not 'cheap and classless'.

The 'Buckley taking umbrage' tone would have been interpreted as 'confidence' and 'worldliness'.

And ordering for her would have been dismissed as "He knows the restaurant's specialties best, and he wanted to make sure I tried their signature dish".

Don't believe me?

Just read the Salon interview with Erik von Markovik

http://www.salon.com/mwt/feature/2007/08/06/mystery_qa/index.html

or, better yet, read "Charlie Wilson's War".

In each case, the man is question is a certified grade-A jerk...and he gets more action than he knows what to do with.

Yes, maybe if the man in the story had made NO mistakes, he would have had Date 2. But if these minor issues were enough to 'turn off' the woman in question, then she wasn't that 'turned on' to begin with.
What's sad is that there are women out there who would think him a 'catch'. And they would forget the last part 'and release'.

I've see dates that have gone very bad in my day. Heck, my wife and I have had a few less than stellar dates. Nothing quite that bad but...

I worked at a restaurant where the 'couple' had a screaming match and she left. Him at the restaurant. He had to call a cab. It looked pretty bad for the guy. Most of the waitresses cheered for the woman. It was odd. Never really found out what it was all about.
Well, he sounds like a dork for sure, but to European eyes the strange thing about the story is the unquestioned assumption that the guy should pay for the meal on a date. Howling about the sexism of him ordering for her or that he is being cheap by using a coupon is just so much hot air while expecting that the man should pay. You want equality, pay for your own meal. You want to complain about someone being cheap, same again.
Felt like I was sitting nearby furtively eyeballing the disaster unfolding next door. Gave me kind of a creepy voyeuristic kick. Been 27 years since I've been on a date with someone new. I don't miss it.
Great post. I can't imagine ever ordering for a date. I must, however, agree with Joss DaBoss. Where is it written that men must pay for the meal? I think it's rude for a man to assume that he's paying and also for a woman to assume that he's paying. We're not living in the 50s, folks. Pay your own way or don't plan on another date with me. I'm not an asshole about it, and if it's clear that the girl isn't going to pay for herself, then I'll pay for her. But that's that (unless she has some witchy magic that bedazzles me and makes me forget all that I believe in, which is possible). This may have lost me some girls, but that's ok. I figure we have different attitudes about manners and probably about life in general.
Thanks for this, squirrel! You are so right - one cannot mix a haughty "the lady will have..." with a coupon. That said, I use coupons all the time (of course, I tip on what the total would have been without the discount) and would hope my next significant other would be amenable to that. And a first date with a man with whom I shared chemistry and who could *own* the fact that he was using a coupon wouldn't necessarily be a bust. It's all in how you play it. Poor bastard will probably never learn.
jossdaboss/jimmymac - It's not rocket science. The person who does the inviting should choose the venue and do the paying. That's not a "date" thing; it's an etiquette thing.
I'm w/joss and Miss V. It's all about good manners. And whoever invites, pays, coupon or not.

And no, I don't think coupons are gauche. W/the price of everything, I'm surprised anyone can afford to date at all.

I'm waiting to see the woman's point of view of this: how does a man look when HE thinks the date is a total bust?

BTW--I would NEVER call a GF or anyone else while out on a date. Now THAT'S really bad manners. I answered personal ads for 10 yrs and never once thought about calling from the "scene of the crime." Time enough to howl about it w/GFs on the phone at home...
whoops, I meant to reply to Chris Kelley's comment, not jimmymac's. Duh.

elsmao3, I think the call was made before the guy showed up.
I wouldn't mind the coupon so much if the guy was up front about it and if I'd known him a while, but on the first date? NOOOO. Even someone as gauche as me wouldn't do it. Or else I'd pay the bill while the date was in the ladies' room.

But...I don't care if we're out at a hamburger joint, I wouldn't ever stand for someone ordering for me. If I'd liked him up to that point I'd assert myself pleasantly. If I knew the date was already a loss, I'd say sweetly "Gosh you must be real hungry ordering yourself two dinners that way!" and then tell the waiter what I really wanted.

Thanks for a great story, Squirrel
Help me out here. I'm isolated. I'm not in the know. I have been out of the dating pool for 10 years and all my friends are progressive-oriented, urban hipsters.

But...

Do any guys under 50 years old still order for their dates? Especially a first date? This happens still today?

Maybe this story is an argument why the restaurant has to stop issuing those damn coupons. Save some poor, socially-inept cheepsters from their own idiocy.
Guys like that are a great boost to the ego of guys like me, that is for shit sure. He tried ordering for her? What? Is he watching old movies based on reviews from reruns of the Joe Franklin Show?

Hell, if some woman asked me to order for her, I'd be looking to coyote my way out of the date, figuring she was some clingy bubble head to begin with.

Good stuff. I'm actually getting over my aversion to the punctuation thing as well. (Must be my inner Buckley clawing it's way out from my affable demeanor.)
Rated, naturally.
the last time i was in chicago, i think i narrowly avoided a date with him. his little thing is going to end up so alone it will require a boe marrow transplant for him to be able to pee. rated. i need to catch up on your work and you, mine. if you haven't heard, i'm now a blog whore.
Squirrel, I hate to admit it but I went out with this guy (or his twin) about 20 years ago and he did the same thing...coup0n, ordering in a most (dare I say it) chauvinistic manner, etc. But it got worse...he went on to tell me what I should get him for his upcoming birthday. ON THE FIRST DATE! I had a flashback as I read your post and hope that the guys at the wonderful place we went for dinner were supportive of me in spirit the way you were for her. Bravo, as usual!