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A blog by a regular josephine-shmo type o' gal who desires to share various hideous truths with the world.... and to hear readers' points of view re said hideous truths. Perhaps I am just a bitter, loopy 30 something with a chip on my shoulder. Or perhaps not. We shall see, shan't we?

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NOVEMBER 14, 2009 12:43PM

When Friends Demand Cash for Wedding: “No Boxed Gifts”

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We have some friends who are getting married.  In addition to deciding on a destination wedding (in Malaysia) which will take course over one entire week, they also stated on their wedding invitation “no boxed gifts.”  Now I knew that they wanted cash because they had mentioned this to us over dinner (see my post on “Don’t tell me to fucking relax.”  The bride to be is the woman who insulted me at dinner.), but to state it explicitly on the wedding invitation, in my mind, is beyond outrageous.  First of all, anyone who will be attending will have to take two weeks off from work, fly with his/her spouse R/T to Malaysia and get accommodations and pay for food, etc.  That is about $6,000.  And don’t tell me it will be like a vacation because, let’s be honest, who on their vacation runs around fawning over other people and doing things they don’t enjoy with people they don’t know.  I think that if someone is sweet enough to go all that way and take the time off, their presence in and of itself is the gift (a HUGE one), is it not?  To assume that they would be getting anything more is incredibly rude and assuming I think.  I did not get wedding gifts from many people who traveled to our wedding (in the US), and I did not care.  I still sent them thank you notes for the gift of their presence.  And I meant every word of it.  Others who took the time to come from another state brought a token gift and I was still thrilled to receive their generous gifts and, more importantly, to share the day with them. 

I am very disturbed by this trend of selfishness and sense of entitlement.  This couple also invited us to a wedding shower in another state (I sent a $100 gift and never got a thank you.  It was four months ago.), and a bachelor party across the country.  It was Th – Sun, so my husband had to take two days off of work, and we spent over $2,000 on travel, and paying for all the drinks and events they went to.  Received no thank you for that either.

It reminds me of another wedding we went to several years ago.  In another state.  We paid for our flights and hotel for four nights.  We got stuck somehow with the bar tab the night of the rehearsal dinner (we were not in the wedding but my friend, who was the groom, was sweet enough to invite us to the dinner).  And I spent $300 on the wedding gift.  It cost us about $2,500 in all.  Guess what?  No thank you.  I do not understand this.  As soon as I got back from my honeymoon, I wrote hundreds of thank yous – to every single person who came and/or gave anything (including gifts like helping with favors) and/or who helped us is some way shape or form - from the $15 salad servers to the $300 coffee maker.

I am severely conflicted about this wedding.  The groom was not with this girl when we got married and the only thing he sent us was a check for $100, about six months after we got married.  We have discussed this and we give these poor people about five years.  They are both so selfish, and there is no way a marriage can work with two selfish people, let alone one.  I am asking anyone who reads this to tell me what you think I should do.  Should I send them another gift (and know that it will go unappreciated and unacknowledged), or should I not, and get the same result.  If I should give a gift, should I give them cash as they have demanded, or should I give them something from one of her four registries?  And how much should I spend? HELP!

PS- Please note that we are not going to the wedding because of my medical issues, and my doctor won't allow it.  Also, this guy is a business colleague of my husband's, and we both like him.  The girl is another matter.  See my other post, as I mentioned, to see the details of how she informed everyone at our dinner table that SHE, unlike ME, is fertile.  Please give me real opinions, not jokes.  I am seriously seeking your help on this one.  I feel very annoyed but I would like some objective people to tell me what they think.

 

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Well, the indignant put upon me wants to say F off and chalk it up to experience. Fortunately he just lives in my head and tells me when I'm screwing up. I'd say gee, I can't afford this wedding and a gift too so I'll just give you what I'd have spent on your gift as a donation to a food pantry or shelter.
If you ask me, I say write'em off. They're not friends, they're ungrateful leeches with an acute sense of undeserved entitlement and priveledge who probably wouldn't appreciate a pint of blood if they were dying.
Ummmm... maybe you should ask Aunt Mabel, but in my opinion their behavior is beyond rude.
Maybe you're a little too close to the situation. If I read "No boxed gifts" on an invitation for a destination wedding, especially one in another country, I would think they meant this because of luggage issues, customs, etc. and not immediately jump to the conclusion that they are "demanding" cash. They mean no gifts at the wedding itself, which doesn't mean you can't send on to their home ahead of time with a nice note attached wishing them well on their new life together. Their life and their decisions, whether you agree with it or not.

It doesn't seem like you care for them at all, so I wonder why go to all the expense and time if you don't approve? There's a decline box on the RSVP card, no?
Julie, I think I jumped to the conclusion about the cash because they had told us they wanted cash at dinner and they were joking about how to have everyone give them cash.
"I am very disturbed by this trend of selfishness and sense of entitlement."
Me too!
Some friendships (like marriages) don't work out. You're a victim - if you choose to be a victim. Send the a check for a hundred dollars ... wait only six minutes.
Witness, I cannot just send them a card, I would feel really weird. Has anyone out there ever done that - just send a card? Honestly, I was thinking about sending a nice pot or pan, so she can learn how to cook (she has proclaimed on one of the many times they came to our house for dinner, and of course never reciprocated, that she does not know how to cook)... it would be useful for one of them to learn how to cook since they have to eat, right?
You know, I stayed married for two years longer than I wanted to. Why? My Uncle Reg gave us $500 as a wedding gift and it seemed deceptive/dishonest to not give him his moneys worth.

I've been divorced 15 years now and I still go out of my way to avoid him at family functions.
I wouldn't bother sending a gift. Then again, I have an ATTITUDE about people like those that is best summed up in just a few words... "F*ck'em and feed'em fish heads!"
Decline the invitation through the RSVP card, then give them an OXFAM donation. You can donate anything from a primary school ($1500) to manure ($15). (May I suggest the latter?)

You can't buy anything for anyone who can afford a destination wedding in Malaysia that will mean more than a cow and two sheep will to someone in Africa. Best part? Doesn't come in a box.

(thumbified with a strong suggestion to give her the finger through charity)
The invitation didn't say "no bagged gifts", though, did it? I would send a large bag of pennies and a note sooner, rather than later. Maybe she would get the message. Especially if other people start following suit. I don't have time for people like this. At all. Rude doesn't even begin to cover this behavior.
Okay, I am liking some of these suggestions. Let me think on it. I cannot do anything mean because we actually like the guy. But I feel the woman is a bitch. Let me think about the charity idea. I don't know if my husband would go for it.
Oh - and THANK YOU everyone who has posted thus far.... so very appreciated :-) Not kidding!
This is not worth the fight. Give 'em the money. There are too many attachments with work etc. Put up and good front and be happy for them. In the scheme of things, this is miniscule!!
Don't give them anything other than a card.

And next time she utters something that offends you, tell her "That's insensitive and incredibly hurtful." Put the problem back with her where it belongs.
after reading jodi's idea, I second that.
Thank you, everyone, for all these great ideas and comments!
As a matter of etiquette, there's no obligation to send a gift to a wedding you don't attend. It sounds to me as though you aren't comfortable with that idea, though, so I think Jodi's suggestion is unbeatable, along with the subsequent suggestion from another poster that it be sincere. That way you won't have to begrudge the money -- you'll pick something that you're happy to give -- and if you ever hear any negative feedback from the couple about what you gave them, you'll know, once and for all, that they're really not worth your time. Only a truly terrible person would have a destination wedding in Malaysia and then complain if someone got them a gift that helped a destitute person in a developing country.

One specific idea that might be nice for a wedding is a beehive -- bees are traditionally associated with weddings, and you can wish the couple "sweetness and light" -- bees were the only source of both these things for a long time! Heifer has a beehive, I think.

Aside from Jodi's great suggestion, I'll let you know my family's favorite answer to this dilemma. It's usually more of a shower gift, and it's something we do more to avoid the consumerism of weddings than because of the couple's behavior. (What I mean is, we buy this for real friends sometimes.) A FIRE EXTINGUISHER. No household should be without one! It's practical and inexpensive, and you can write sincerely in the card, "Here's a gift I hope you never have to use." We buy these when we don't have the stomach for the registry.

I use registries as a crutch sometimes but, really, you should not feel obligated to follow them, or to spend a specific amount of money. A gift is a gift. (I would definitely not send these people cash, though, since they have been rude enough to refer to it specifically.)

Also, I don't know what they meant by "no boxed gifts," either, but it doesn't matter. A wedding invitation should not contain any reference to gifts. I think even a well-intentioned "no gifts" is out of line -- the couple should never suggest that gifts are expected.
Stick $100 worth of pennies in a glass jar. Fill with water. Place in freezer till solid. Stick it in a BAG and send along.

Cold hard cash. No box.
I think you should "think outside the box" and make an appointment for yourself to have a spa day. Later, you can tell the happy couple you thought about them as you were dipping your feet in hot wax.
Theses type of people shouldn't reproduce. Life goes in phases. It's weddings, baby showers, second weddings, late babies, kid graduations, big 5-0 parties, retirements then funerals. Lke you I spent a bloody fortune during the wedding phase. Then I eloped missing my opportunity to get even. Get the fertile bitch a bunny from heifer. Then go spend some time with people you like.
Thanks so much, all. Tiger & NotWho - your posts are hilarious. JK, you are right, I cannot offend. That is my dilemma. I've gotta get to bed but will go over all this again tomorrow. Teapot, where did you hear that about the no obligation to send when you don't go. I never heard of that. Also, she registered for he several bridal showers. I think she would be perfectly fine getting her bridal gifts but I think he wants cash because he is probably paying for some of it (since she doesn't make any money as a student). Okay - please keep your ideas coming if you haven't already. I love the charity idea but I am afraid they would be pissed off.
mmm, now I know why I don't have many close friends. I would send them to hell, her for being a bitch, him for his bad taste. I like Jodi's idea, with a gracious card that commends them for their generosity and how you thought therefore this would be a perfect gift. Something of the sort of "how you inspired me to do this, blah, blah blah." Just take anything they said and misrepresent them as a motivation for the donation gift. That would make them think twice about complaining, because if they do they would look like cads. Maybe you should donate to a Malaysian charity. Or, to an adoption non for profit! I mean, she made clear how lucky she is for being a fertile woman!! Bitch.
If I felt this way about anyone or a marriage, I would feel hypocritical about going to the wedding when I wouldn't be genuinely happy for them. I like the charity idea. I certainly wouldn't spend money and travel time into anything my heart wasn't into...especially that much money when I could have a much happier and fun real vacation with my husband...not that I have a husband, but just sayin'...I definitely like the spa day...I would put my energy into a spa day after making some positive gesture that puts mind at ease, RSVP and forget any of the rest or what has past...
Destination weddings ARE incredibly selfish and insensitive for the guests. I have not been a part of one, but one of my friends was part of a wedding a year ago, that she and her husband had to SAVE up for., several thousand dollars..
This is taking the whole idea of marriage to a new level of stupid.
So,,,I think since you are not attending the wedding, get them a gift. But get them something that says something about you, something that you would appreciate, or that is meaningful to you, and write a card telling them why you chose this gift.
One of the best gifts I got when I got married was a wedding decorated photo album that my friend made for me and wrote on the inside about things she remembered or thought significant about our friendship.
It can be a coffee maker if they love coffee, or a gift card to someplace you know they like to go to.
Make it personal, make it about your friendship with them.
If giving cash is not what you are comfortable with, then don't do it.
A sincere gift from the heart (to him mostly), is something that will make you look sensitive and thoughtful, and will make her look like a gigantic ass if she tries to say anything about it.
oh, and how exactly does she KNOW she is fertile?
Maybe she is and maybe she isn't...
This comment was meant to hurt, and it was a low blow to a sensitive place for you.
Maybe you should send them a box of condoms for a wedding gift, and tell them that you just want to help out with birth control , being that she is the queen of fertility..
OR..send a baby gift to the wedding...with a card saying..Gee, since you were talking bout your champion ovaries, I just assumed you must have some news....
Ok. those were just suggestions to try to make you laugh...
seriously....I wish you the very best, and hope she trips on her wedding gown, and lands on her uterus....
Hideous Truth,
You asked about where I heard that no gift is required when you don't attend a wedding. It's from Miss Manners, if you consider her an authority.
This doesn't mean your friends won't expect a gift, or that they won't be offended. It just means it's not a breach of etiquette on your part if you choose not to send a gift. You still have to weigh the consequences, though!
Teapot
"Don't be reckless with other people's hearts. Don't put up with people who are reckless with yours." A line from written by Mary Schmich and originally published in the Chicago Tribune on Sunday, June 1, 1997 (it's been wrongly attributed to Kurt Vonnegut).
Keep your friendship intact but you really don't need to tolerate disrespect from the fiance. If you had a solid friendship with her you'd be able to discuss this situation with her. You could send a polite note and gift and let her have a second chance to build a relationship that ia as meaningful as the one you have with her husband to be. Live your life and trat her the way you'd want ot be treated but don't let her hi-jack your emotional well being.
Oh jeez! Perhaps you could send a modest gift to their home and just write the rest off. They have FOUR reg's? WTF? Then again, if a person insulted me in my own home, I wouldn't have anything to do with them, period.
You guys are great. Theoneabout, you did make me smile I have to say. Thanks so much for all the great advice. Teapot, I did not know that, thanks for the info. I know I should be above all this but she hurt me so much. Cut right to the core after I trusted her. Why?? I have to get over it, it only hurts me to hang on. I continue to appreciate ideas. I don't have to get it for a few months.
Thanks again everyone!
That's unspeakably rude. Where do people get this sense of entitlement from??? Ugh.
The point of a wedding is to celebrate with friends and family. For us just having those attend was enough. Of course I grew up in the day when you did not dictate the gift because after all it was a gift not a payment or obligation. The only people who traveled to our wedding were close family and friends whom we had on going contact with.

Some use their wedding as a cash gathering cow. They will send out invitation to hundreds of people knowing they will not attend, but expect a gift because of the invite. When we receive wedding invitation from some distant relative or past friend who I have not spoken with in decades, we simply send a will not be able to attend if it is RSVP. They are not part of our lives nor are we part of theirs end of story. Also, those who invite you to the ceremony and not the reception in my mind are just trolling for gifts. Again no gift or response.

If someone wants to travel to some remote location to tie the knot then they should not expect others to shell out thousands of dollars to do so. I think a lot of people do this to save thousands on the wedding and hope the invitees will foot the bill for the honeymoon. Totally classless in my book.

You mentioned that the groom to be sent 100 dollars for your wedding. If you can afford it send the same and be done with it and consider it a business expense.
Oooh... M Todd, I like your thinking. I had not even thought of this as a business expense. Very nice. Me likey!!!!!
Gifts aren't required. Just like they don't have to put specifications on what they request, you don't have to give. You are right, your presence is all that is required if you're invited.
These people are not your friends - anyone who would treat you so shabbily is not a friend. You have no obligation to send them a gift, especially since you are not going to the wedding. Since the groom is a business associate, a card wishing them well would be a nice gesture, but even that is not necessary. All that is necessary is that you decline the invitation in writing as soon as possible. Ann Landers used to say that no one can take advantage of you without your consent, and she was right.