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"There is a natural aristocracy among men. The grounds of this are virtue and talents." Thomas Jefferson. ************************************** The earth knows my step, the deaf hears my voice and the blind sees my words. My hope is to introduce civility, class--unrelated to money--and honor into American culture. I am the defender of the weak.

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Salon.com
SEPTEMBER 27, 2009 6:29AM

The God Solution: Ending Religious Terrorism

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Power, religion has, merit; religion has not. Recently many voices warn against the dangers of religious fundamentalism, especially the rising militant right wing evangelicalism. No, I will not pick on Evangelicals; although, if the right wing crusaders get their way, Islamist terrorists will look like boy scouts. That religious fundamentalism (RF) is unhealthy, even fatal, is now a universal fact. RF is a malicious, deeply rooted, real disease of any society that is dangerously gaining too much ground in America. Even worse, it has nothing to do with religion; it is purely tribal politics, just some angry fucks want to kill others and take their money.

We must stop such very expensive useless ridiculous wars against drugs and sovereign nations and start dedicating our resources to fix education and health care. If we must wage a war—other than that on greed—it has to be against RF, here and abroad. This time, we must be rational, well informed and prepared. All nations must participate in the war against RF and America leading by example should reach out abroad and legislate at home. We must regulate Religion. In the following pioneering plan, I will not touch religion, religious beliefs, or freedom of religion. First, as an example, I will show how we can easily defeat Islamists’ ideology and eliminate their support abroad…from home.

We can beat religious terrorists at their own game. Islamist terrorists, for example, simply hijack Islam; pull religious falafels (fatwas) out of the asses, forging the Koran and the Sunnah (the teachings of the Prophet Mohammad) in favor of the violence they preach. Islamists’ ideology is, too, political and tribal; they do not have, as I will show, a religious leg to stand on.

Here, we must remember that many Arab countries began hunting down Islamists (for example, Islamic Jihad in Egypt) and killing them long time before we started the war on terror. That Islamists are hated in Muslim countries is a fact. Moreover, we (and Britain) gave sanctuary to terrorists like Omar Abdul Rahman (World Trade Center 1993 bombings and mentor of Al-Zawahiri), and when the Egyptians warned us and asked to extradite him, we told them to go fuck themselves.

Fortunately, Islam makes Islamists the easiest to defeat and here is why. If we invite the top Islamic scholars from all over the world—let’s say to join a proposed American Islamic Supreme Council—they will all agree on the following facts:

1. Muslims consider the Koran to be the word of God, revealed to the Prophet Mohammad by the Angel Gabriel. The key fact is that not one letter of the Koran has been changed since its writing in the six hundreds. That is, there is only one version of the Koran, only one book, only one source of reference.
 
2. Muslims should live by the Koran and consult the Sunnah, especially in areas supposedly not covered by the Koran. Here is the best part: if there is any doubt about any issue, according to the Koran, the Koran will take precedence, anytime, anywhere, and on all matters. The Koran, one book, is the only authority.
 
3. Islamists lie, spin, cut, paste and attribute sick shit to their Koran and Prophet; and together with the enemies of Islam, run with it and recruit terrorists. The American Islamic Supreme Council with all its international Muslim scholars will expose the Islamist ideology as blasphemy and denounce Islamists as heretics…legally. That is, according to the Koran/Supreme Islamic Law. Game over. The media must finish the job by exploiting the shit out of the findings of the Council, defaming Islamists all over the world into oblivion.

4. Taking advantage of the fact, that Islam is not an organized religion—no recognized authority—studded with international Muslim scholars, an American Islamic Supreme Council would represent Muslims all over the world and become a beacon of light. Existing American Islamic institutions, busy with trivial shit like the fucking hijab, are obviously amateurs who have failed to defend their own religion at home and defeat Islamists’ ideology abroad.

For a while now, Muslim scholars everywhere have been exposing the heresies of the Islamists. Here are just a few examples from the Koran on the relevant issue of how Muslims should treat peoples of other religions—the “infidels.”


O mankind! We have created you from a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that you may know one another.” 49:13

And if your Lord had so willed, He could surely have made humankind one nation. People will never cease to disagree.” 11:118

And had your Lord willed, those on earth would have believed, all of them together. So, will you then [who are YOU to] compel humankind, until they become believers?” 10:99

And when We took from the Prophets their covenant, and from you (O Muhammad), and from Noah, Abraham, Moses, and Jesus, son of Mary; We took from them a strong covenant.” 33:7


Verily! Those who believe and those who are Jews and Christians, and Sabians (look it up), whoever believes in God and the Last Day and do righteous good deeds shall have their reward with their Lord, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.” 2:62 and repeated for emphasis in 5:69

Verily, those who believe, and those who are Jews, and the Sabians, and the Christians, and the Magians (ancient Persian Magus, fire-worshipers), and those who worship others besides God, truly, God will judge between them on the Day of Resurrection.” 22:17

“…Be just witnesses and let not the enmity and hatred of others make you avoid justice. Be just: that is nearer to piety…” 5:8

Surely, We have sent down to you (O Muhammad) the Book (this Qur'an) in truth that you might judge between men by that which God has shown you, so be not a pleader for the treacherous.” 4:105
And seek the Forgiveness of God, certainly, God is Ever Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.” 4:106

[4:105-106 are two of nine verses (4:105-113) that were revealed to the Prophet Mohammad in defense of a Jew. A Muslim stole, and his friends and family tried to pin the crime on a Jew. The Prophet almost believed the Muslim thief and his friends and almost ruled against the Jew. The nine verses came to warn the Prophet against such an error and urge him to ask forgiveness for what would have been an unforgivable offense.]

The 72 Virgins Myth

The number 72 is never mentioned in the Koran. The phrase “72 virgins” is never mentioned in the Koran. However, the Koran promises the pious—both men and womenbeautiful companions in heaven (S55, 56 and 76). That is all. Yet, just for you perverts out there, I found the phrase 72 virgins in “1001 Arabian Nights” and in a pornographic subdivision called “The Return of the Old Man to his Youth,” after the author describes how honey and butter massage will increase the girth of your penis. The horniest Arabic account of heaven I found comes from Al-Suyuti (Koranic commentator and polymath, died 1505). It sounds like a Viagra commercial.

"Each time you sleep with a huriyah (splendid companion) you find her a virgin. The penis of the chosen pious never softens. The erection is eternal; the sensation that you feel each time you make love is utterly delicious and out of this world and were you to experience it in this world you would faint. Each chosen one will marry seventy hur (singular, huriah), besides the women he married on earth, and all will have delicious vaginas."

The God-General Warning: Crimes against God

The premise here is simple. Moses, Jesus, and Mohammad preached love, peace, and justice; denounced unprovoked violence; and defended the poor. That is the true universal God model. Preaching violence against other human beings is a crime against God, and above all, a crime against man. Theological differences, according to God, will be judged only by God—there is plenty of scripture to affirm this; for now, read the Koranic verses above. Sweden found out years ago, that since crimes against man are punished by man, may be crimes against God should be punished by God. 

A long-term solution for RF is the mandatory teaching of comparative religion in all schools. Yet immediate measures must be taken. Each of the tax-exempt religions recognized by the government should be required to authorize and present a single doctrine of teachings/beliefs regarding the status of the followers of other religions.Each religion must be required to, clearly, state who goes to Hell. All citizens must have full knowledge of their status according to every religion. Each citizen must know what religion condemns her to hell or wants her dead. The clergy are free to preach anything they want, except hate for others. Hate must be regulated. Laws must be enacted to regulate religious hate and a new government agency must be established to enforce these laws. Any negative speech about another group of people is politics, never religion.

If according to the Koran, for example, Texans will go to hell and Muslims should kill Texans wherever they find them, every mosque must put a sign outside stating exactly that. Surely, the Koran has nothing against Texans and mosques will not be required to hang such signs. Yet, if any Muslim Imam is ever heard spewing shit about Texans, his Mosque must be shut down by the government, because he is in violation of the laws enforced by the Office of the God General (OGG), or the Department of Religious Crimes (DRC), take your pick.

Similarly, Evangelicals can preach against the poor and on the second coming of Christ all they want, but if a pastor teaches that Jesus will smite all Jews who do not convert, the pastor must be required by law to put a sign outside his church stating exactly that. It is hard to imagine how big a sign a right wing militant pastor would need; they hate so many people.  

It saddens me that since we are talking about religion, I cannot use scientific arguments like the fundamental truth of unity and that I am one with you, the universe, and God, at a sub-nuclear level; and that if you claim to know God, or even worse, speak for it, you are a fucking idiot. Religiously speaking, rather, if there is a God, it must be both universal—a god of everyone and everything—and good, because that’s what the brain God gave us wants.

Thoth © 2009


 

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Solid post.

I like the idea of sponsoring an Islamic council, wherein normative Islam can be re-defined, away from fatwas and jihads, towards peace and reconciliation and human rights. Not sure if the US is a good place for it, your credible case notwithstanding. Maybe Canada, or Great Britain?

Certainly not France.
"Moreover, we (and Britain) gave sanctuary to terrorists like Omar Abdul Rahman (World Trade Center 1993 bombings and mentor of Al-Zawahiri), and when the Egyptians warned us and asked to extradite him, we told them to go fuck themselves."

I wasn't aware of this.

I think your idea has merit, but "Islamists lie, spin, cut, paste and attribute sick shit to their Koran and Prophet;" seems the weak point. These terrorists don't give spit about the Koran or their Prophet. They twist things to advance their political agenda like so many other groups. (The Republican party comes to mind)

I also believe that not nearly enough Muslim leaders speak out about Islamic extremists, which makes me question their motivation to stand by quietly as terror attacks continue. Is it fear of repercussions or is it something else? I'll be the first to admit that I don't know enough about the subject, but it seems Muslim leaders could go a long way in reducing the violence if they were more vocal, which is exactly what you propose. I only wonder if they are even willing to consider your proposal.
I am always impressed by your thought process and the things that you think (and care) so deeply about. It's a shame that more people don't spend their time thinking about these things. Especially the ones who preach the exact opposite. You are a formidable man who obviously sees so clearly what others refuse to view as even possible. You inspire me, Thoth. Very well argued.
That is a thoughtful approach to religious terrorism and I would love to see a positive development like this. I have to wonder if the U.S. created the "American Islamic Supreme Council" as a counter to this situation, would this council not be somehow seen as tainted or a purveyor of propaganda given our standing in the Arab world? Looking at your discussion of the many ways the Islamists have already been shown by the Islamic scholars to be heavily into fabrication, it does make me wonder if this would turn the situation around. With that in mind, I would still say that such a concept is worth trying. I will add that a country like Sweden could be another possible nation to create the council in.
Pretty impressive thoughts here. How I wish we could see a plan put into action that would actually work.
Greg Correll,

Anywhere will be fine, the idea is to expose them to the world. "Certainly not France," made me laugh; you are so right. Thank you much for your comment; I am so grateful.
WalkAwayHappy,

Yes, I agree. Since the beginning of time those old angry perverted MEN messed it up for humanity. Do you think if we gave each of them 72 virgins, they will leave us in peace?

Thank you for your insight.
Michael Rodgers,

The mere fact that non-American Muslim scholars declare the terrorists as heretics from American soil is the win. It is the ultimate American reaching out. When American media run with the opinions of Arab scholars; that, in itself, will take away the weak support Islamists still have and will back Muslim leaders in their fight locally. All we can do is hope. It certainly hasn't been tried yet.

Thanks, as always, for the informed response.
cartouche,

Thank you for your support. I hope one day I can inspire as many as you do; you inspire all.
Larry Lauerman,

Mr. Lauerman, I am grateful and honored by your visit. I am glad you find merit in my argument exposing Islamists. I hope the Arab world would be both perceptive and appreciative that we acknowledge Arab scholars. Actually, Sweden might be a perfect place for such action. They will definitely still need our help, especially the help of our media.

Thanks again for your comment.
OoopsieDaisies,

Yep, me too; something has to be done.
Thank you so much for your comment.
This is a complex subject/issue you have tackled and you have obviously done your homework. I hate homework. Sometimes, I think some of these bozos just need to have their heads clacked together like watermelons and call it a day. You are far superior in your way of thinking. (btw: Antonio is officially "history"!)
O'Really,

Overthrowing "Antonio" is a victory for all men. Thank you for giving us hope; you made my day.
I am always grateful for your support.
iamsurely,

Thank you for your visit. Now I am encouraged to visit your blog and not get spanked so hard.
Interesting post, Thoth. If history teaches us anything, it's that the persecuted become the persecutors, that wars fought in the name of religion are generally property disputes.
Kathy Riordan,

That is right, it is all about property.
Thanks a lot for you visit.
Thoth,
Your scholarly approach and your obvious deeply held belief in non-violence in any form is impressive and inspiring. That all the great prophets taught love, peace and justice can not be ignored. If only human kind would recapture the message in their hearts and actions. I was especially moved by your last paragraph,"I am one with you, the universe and God". Calling out evil that is perpetrated in the name of religion over and over and over until people finally hear is a very compelling argument.
Heaven sounds, well, heavenly!
Rated
rainee174,

Your understanding humbles me. Thank you so much for your support.
Thoth, you pretty much sum things up. I'm a spiritual Christian with an open mind and belief in science and God, but I don't want to kill people on a daily basis or stand on my car roof shouting it.

These people need their mouths sewn shut. That would be a start.
RATED
This is a wonderful breakdown, Thoth. Thank You.

Terrorist scare the fuck out of me.

Rated.
KOB,

That's what the world need, more people thinking like you.
Thanks buddy.

LadyMiko,
They scare the shit of everybody. Hopefully it's time for them to go away. Thanks my lady.
My knowledge of religious matters is scant, but I think it has always been thus: religious leaders and politicians (often one and the same) twist and interpretation religion to suit their political goals. No religion or political part is exempt from this, but some are more shameless than others.
Thanks for inviting me to read this post. About my personal opinion now: I am a foreigner, so take what I say with a pinch of salt. I am always very mistrustful about the role of the USA as a model of .... whatever.... for the rest of the world. The USA has caused much damage abroad in the name of freedom, in the name of anti-terror, in the name of peace. Plus, from the little I know about the US, Americans still have many problems with their own religious fanatisms at home... I mean: how many people and states still adhere to the theory of a design by god (I don´t remember the exact name), versus Darwin's theory of evolution?.
Religious institutions act like corporations with key people in key powerful positions (not only in the States, this happens all over the world), so: how can ther be a committee that will oversee the way preachers pray? the first reaction will be to consider it a bit like the old Spanish Inquisition ...
There is one thing I totally agree with your post: to study all religious beliefs at school seriously, respectfully and organizedly, that will definitely bring on changes in the long term. But also: to study and do science side by side, seriously too. Faith is necessary, but knowledge and faith in knowledge (sound knowledge, factual knowledge) keeps us away from fear, from ignorance and from fanatism.
I don't know if this comment has been helpful. See you around,
Marcela
emma peel,

Your comment is a statement of truth.
Grateful for your visit.
Marcela in English,

It is time to move forward and all nations should unite and crush RF once and for all. The world has more pressing problems--food, education, environment--to solve. Your take on American foreign policy is duly noted, but let me ask you this. How many foreigners have Argentinians taught how to Tango? Smile.

Thank you so much for your valuable comment.
You reduce my brain to mush with these heady, juicy, fact filled subjects. The stuff intellects are made of. Over the top, Thoth. Passionate, well researched, beyond the comprehension of the masses. I love the line, "Any negative speech about another group of people is politics, never religion."
Something I have heard that haunts me is that certain groups of people on this planet, hate what is described as Arian race or those of blonde hair and blue eyed descent. Hints of Hitler, certain middle eastern thinking or terrorism aimed at this caucasian, Euro/American body of people...the hatred that stiffles my thinking to prevent nightmares....rambling here, but thoughts like these do occur when we least expect to drop to the bottom of the well. Your subject content is way over my head, empiracally and otherwise. Twists my brain. Challenges rare thoughts. Thank you for stirring the pot.
Why, thank you Cathy,

The Prophets told their people to be nice. Some people just don't wanna. That's the deal.
I go to your blog to get the good stuff. Thanks again.
Deep, very Celestine Prophecy like. Awesome take on religious zealotry. I agree. The concept of God kept in a pure form can be a wonderful thing. However when humans try to understand and conceptualize (by trying to write it down) greed and individual interests often enter the picture.
Thanks very much, Thoth. Not sure what the next one will be and likely just some fluff-a-nutter on whatever...never quite know from week to week what will inspire me to write...so many voices, in which lives the word, vices. "From whence it comes."
Great post. It was insightful, witty and thought provoking. Love the idea of an international council of Islam that would debunk and educate so the ignorance that fuels the delusions of the terrorists, can end before they begin. The god generals office sounds like a great idea on paper, it would still be a violation of the freedom of religion. As I understand your idea: every religion wishing to be recognized by the government (as qualified to receive tax-exempt status) must summarize their beliefs of others and post it on the front of the church, like we had the ten commandants in front of the court house for so long, and failure to do so would result in the shutting down of that particular church. the mandatory listing of all the people one religion hates is a grand idea, but the compulsion to do so is tyrannical. Still a novel and thought provoking idea nonetheless. Rated
Great post Thoth; I can see you put a lot of research and thought into it, and I like your ideas for addressing some of the more dangerous tendencies of fundamentalism. For my money, homegrown religious fanatics are as much of a threat to this country as anything that originates overseas. Sinclair Lewis said "When facism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.” He was a smart guy, as witnessed by the rise of modern Christofascism, and we need to be more proactive in dealing with it. One of these days, and soon, the crazies are going to start acting on their hate, and in more ways than just murdering abortion clinic doctors.
nanatehay,

"For my money, homegrown religious fanatics are as much of a threat to this country as anything that originates overseas."

That's right; it is so scary.

Thanks a lot for the visit, and a million for your insight.
InZain,

Again, when I grow up, I want to be half as good as you in video games. My son and I salute you. thanks for the informed comment.
The Wanderer,

This is exactly what is wrong with organized religion.
Thanks, buddy, for the insight.
I like your idea and I don't think I'll say anything that hasn't been said by others, but one of the main things I think would keep the "American Islamic Supreme Council" idea from working is the word American. The crazies out there don't really care what the Koran actually says and wouldn't be persuaded by anything that came from an organization that was American. I don't believe even a media blitz exploiting the findings would stop them as they wouldn't really care what the media said either. They would just call the media and American whore or some such. Calling it something else like the World Islamic Supreme Council might be more influential but I would still have my doubts. One thing I do believe whole heartedly is that world education is the key and your idea of "mandatory teaching of comparative religion in all schools" is a most excellent one!
Not only is this post stock full of great info--but I love your cutting sense of humor that threads through it. I used to read a lot of feminist pre-history, and there was a book (author's name was Fatima something and I can't remember the title off-hand) written on the Koran and on the history of Islam from a female perspective which illuminated so much of the crap that is currently passed offed as Islamic, when in fact it is no such thing. Great discussion...
Zashin,

You are right. They can choose any name they see fit; I am glad you agree on comparative religion teaching and that we (America) should take the lead.

Thanks Zashin for the visit and the concerned insight.
Tayler Bloom,

Finally, someone (like me) appreciates the the 1500s heavenly Viagra thing. I know the post is serious but I am so glad you got these.
There are many Islamic feminists (one is Khadiga Qenna, published in French and English) who are marginalized because they tell the truth.

Thanks for the informed comment.
How have I been missing your posts? As of now, you're on my favorites list. Ok, that being said, this is really thought provoking. I want to read this more thoroughly, and think about it. The comments above pretty much cover anything I could say, but I love the way this challenges the RF from a completely different angle than I've seen or heard - sort of "on their turf." The humor throughout is the spoon full of sugar that helps the ideas become more easily digested. Well done, thoth!
Owl,

"...this challenges the RF from a completely different angle than I've seen or heard - sort of "on their turf."

This is exactly what we should do.

So happy with your visit; thanks for the insight.
Terrific, thought-provoking post.

I have often wondered if the EFs who call for all people of the U.S. to convert to Islam or face death are demanding conversion to the Sunni or Shiite denomination? There is conflict there. Does the Koran say anything about this? I suppose not since the conflict over successors of Mohammed as new leaders of Islam arose certainly after the Koran was written.

I agree that EFs of any religion are dangerous to all people. Extremism goes against everything. If there is a God, He will sort it out. He is all powerful and does not need warriors to waste energy fighting among themselves and destroying what He has created.

While people continue the world over to fight and kill in the name of the power they all say is just and merciful. I think I will give some food to someone who doesn't have it, and do it of my own free will that I was born with. (Rated)
I respectfully cannot agree. The only thing one can control to a certain extent is the "self" or teach or direct or persuade. Teaching by example can be attempted but the very fact that one would WANT to teach would defeat the purpose.

. One who does not want to learn cannot be taught. Learning from looking at examples can work....but only for those who wish to learn. They must do so themselves

Anything less than that is doomed.
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Natalie K Munden

It is certain that according to the Koran, Muslims should not, cannot and may not judge, coerce or persecute those of other religions. According to the Koran, theological difference will be judged only by God in the afterlife.

Thank you so much for your thoughts.
Traveller1,

And I thought I was THE cynic. Surely, I agree with the "self" issue. The question is how do you convince someone that she is flat out wrong. It is almost impossible where religion/tribalism is involved.

"Learning by example," I think, would be much easier if the culture/mainstream changes in favor of rationalism and intellectualism. But we must expose ugliness first, then the people will yearn for beauty.

Great insight. Thanks for the visit and the wise comment.
Thoth-I love your post, but I have to raise my eyebrows when you are making your defense with verses from the Koran. Is this not what born again Christians or Roman Catholicsor any religion does when selling their beliefs? They take exerpts from whatever Bible, King James or Good News, etc., to enhance whatever belief they're trying to sell. Still once again you bring up good ideas and I found the post informative and interesting.
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Junk1,

That is eactly right. I try to expose Islamists as liars and show that the Koran plainly--flat out--orders Muslims NOT to judge or persecute those of other religions. The argument is from the Koran therefore it is solid. Similarly, Pope Urban II (the auther of the Crusades) who ordered the killing of Jews, Muslims, and Arab Christians pulled the order out of his ass, not from the "Sermon on the Mount;" Jesus had nothing to do with that horrible genocide.

No one should be allowed to twist and spin his religion in favor of violence against another.

Thanks, Junk1, for a stimulating comment.
Great thought provoking post. I really like the approach as someone said earlier "On their turf". Having spent a lot of time in the Middle East the tribal politics is an thoroughly invasive disease and seemingly will never end but perhaps its time for a new approach. Great Post.
Philip Rodgers,

Yep, this is the core idea: to use religion to expose fanatics as liars and heretics.
Thanks for the thoughtful comment.
What can I say? You are one smart man. Thanks for posting.
Rated.
Damn boy, you've been doing some major heavy reading lately, haven't you?

You're right about so many things in this post, religious fanaticism is never about the actual religion. I've started to get so fed up with people who don't read their holy books that I've literally refused to talk religion with them until they wake the fuck up and truly understand what their God wants.

Excellent piece. I'd give it an EP if I could.
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alexis james,

Thanks so much for the visit.
Mungular,

"...religious fanaticism is never about the actual religion. I've started to get so fed up with people who don't read their holy books that I've literally refused to talk religion with them until they wake the fuck up and truly understand what their God wants."

This sums my entire argument. If only more people look at it that way.

Thanks, Mungular.
The 'God Police' could easily replace Homeland Security, even do a better job.

Thanks for the visit and your comment.
Heartily agree with you about God being about love. That what Jesus taught was that God is love, and that God is in everything living thing. I'm afraid though, that the only way our world will ever be rid of radical fundamentalists is when we have stripped away all possessions (property, money, etc.). The power of accumulated wealth and fame is like the Ring and we're very few Frodos -- hell even Frodo lost his marbles there towards the end.

Alas and alack, looks like a few million years of evolution before that happens.

Interesting ideas and very well argued. I like the way you think, too.
Skeletnwmn,

Thanks for your visit and your wise comment. I agree.
More knowledge than I possess. Thanks for enlightening us.
Right-wing-Republican-fundamentalist-evangelical-Christians have been the scourge upon my life for thirty-two years plus; where I live and breathe. I despise violence, so much so that I rarely kill flies or bugs, choosing to carry even the yuckiest of them outside. But even so, I have often had this horrible idea, it comes and goes, making sense in my moments of weakness. The idea? We should just tell everyone in places like Jerusalem that they have ten days to vacate their land and then on day eleven blow it to smithereens. Then let them keep fighting and killing over it. I mean, where's the peace-loving adherents? What has the violence, anger, and hatred of fundamentalists done to me? Visions and fantasies of violence? Really? Me?
I am so ashamed.
So yes, I am up for anything, well, almost. No bombing Jerusalem or the like. Passing thought, nothing else. I agree with the idea that the United States is maybe not the best location for the council. There is so much hatred. But educating the masses is a fantastic idea. I am always trying to teach, no matter how unwilling my student. How could they have made it so far in life and still be so clueless? But yet, there they are, on my television, chanting against their own best interests.
Culture and religion are definitely NOT taught in American schools, at least none that I have entered. If there was any element of religion or cultural diversity to a war or event, they did not teach it at my high school. One question: how could we fit it into the curriculum? Teachers (myself being one, at least in theory) are already overwhelmed with what they must teach and want to teach, NCLB, and so forth. I absolutely missed the majority of history while in school--I can't imagine fitting in the beliefs and history of ALL religions in as well. Great idea. What about implementation?
Oh, and the clarification of the virgin thing is great. That always bugged me. Thank goodness no institution or doctrine is actually pushing or condoning such a thing. After all, one person's heaven would be another's hell.
Shannon Moon,

"Culture and religion are definitely NOT taught in American schools, at least none that I have entered."

That should be the start. With more people like you willing to teach rationalism, humanity and peace.

Thanks for the visit, and yes, for the well informed and insightful comment.
After the day I had, I'm finding this very interesting. I just received a book from a religious group, who presumed to tell me "how I should grieve..." and who went on to say how "valuable" and "generous to a fault" my husband was. Indeed he was, and this book and letter proved it.

Well done Thoth, and I can add that my father being a Texan, who fought for a free country, is why they are allowed to be intrusive.

R
BuffyW,

Nothing trumps information based on a personal experience. And yes, you may add, and I fully agree.

Thank you so much for your gracious visit and wise comment.
Great post, Thoth. And our thinking is absolutely in sync. Oddly enough the Canadian Muslim Association, which is made up of moderate thinking Muslims came out in FAVOR of gay marriage, as they said if anyone is discriminated against, everyone can be. Maybe self serving, but I can't imagine a fundamentalist Muslime saying such a thing.

I have never understood how some intelligent people still believe in Adam and Eve. Don't these people think??? They are indeed as dangerous as muslim extremists. They can change the face of America (and I suppose Canada - but I don't think so) into a theocracy and that is what they want.

Thanks for pointing me to your post. Rated.
Good for them (the Canadian Muslim Association). This is just an example of how effective can Muslim scholars be in defending their religion against Islamists.

As for the second remark: me neither. I believe it is malicious ignorant tribalism. No worries; the entire world is sick and tired of their bull.

Thank you so much for your beautiful visit and deep insight.
http://www.studentsforacademicfreedom.org/news/2732/a-tale-of-two-authors

Thought you might appreciate this.
Brilliant! Absolutly brilliant.
On the other hand they could always take to following the Prophet Andy and his message of "Thout Shalt Not Take This Shit So Seriously" but I doubt that's going to happen.
Good writing and a perfectly rational idea, bro.

Three thumbs up!
Rated too!
Andy Heizeler,

Oh, man, if we could pull that one off, Prophet Andy will bring immediate peace to the world.

Thanks, Andy, I am glad you like.
What a lovely idea! You're a smart cookie!
65,

Thank you so much.
Coming to this late, Thoth but am awed by the brilliance of your arguments. Recommend to you (if you haven't already read him) Austin Dacey - http://www.austindacey.com/
Nikki Stern,

Thank you so much for the visit and the link.
Excellent post, Thoth. Really , really good. I agree with everything you've said here and look forward to reading more of your work. Apologies for taking so long to get here.
Natalie Not pedantic,

Thank you so much for your visit. You are welcome here anytime.
Thanks for the kind words.
You write, "No one should be allowed to twist and spin his religion in favor of violence against another" and I couldn't agree more. I've noticed in various journals that the term "fundamentalist" is being applied to all the "isms" lately and criticized in and of itself, which maybe is a good thing.

As you have pointed out in other posts, feminism stands a chance of making some real positive changes to the world. Certainly, as far as most religion goes, the female role is usually pretty oppressed. The whole viagra in heaven and dutiful wife thing doesn't do much for women. Yet, in those instances where it applies, the feminists will need to post a sign saying who is being hated or going to hell just like the other isms, just to keep it on the up and up.
noah tall

That is what the feminist did. They turned the coin on its head. The mainstream and law now is female friendly. It is a feminist culture. I will never go against a group that managed to democratize beauty--we all can be thin and thin is beautiful. They won over nature.

I learned long time age that women are always "right." Feminists rule; that is why I ask for their help.

Thank you so much for your insight and comment.
While I generally agree with everything you say here, I am puzzled why you focused your attention on Islamist RF, and not Christian RF? Are Christian abortion clinic bombers and White Supremicist Militia men not as frightening or as worthy of scriutiny as Islamic Fundamentalism?
Placebostudman,

Oh, I fully agree with every word. I simply believe that having a dialog with the majority of peaceful Muslims is a much easier task than that with right wing fundamentalists. Do not forget; they elected Bush TWICE for heaven sake.

Thank you so much for your visit and comment.
A post worthy of a "bump."
Why, thank you, Natalie; back at you.
Another finely wrought post. Good thinking fine writing.
Rutilus Extraho,

Thank you as always.