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"There is a natural aristocracy among men. The grounds of this are virtue and talents." Thomas Jefferson. ************************************** The earth knows my step, the deaf hears my voice and the blind sees my words. My hope is to introduce civility, class--unrelated to money--and honor into American culture. I am the defender of the weak.

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JANUARY 18, 2010 7:05AM

The Myth of Origins

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Every state begins with an initial act of illegality, murder or theft or both. The owners of the new state hire some gofers to create a ‘myth of origins’—a bullshit story inspiring national pride. Ours was taxation, rather than genocide. Later, a “Christian nation” was also a much needed spin. That our founding fathers, with the previous terrifying European example in mind, wanted nothing to do with religion is beyond the scope of this post, but it is still a fact nonetheless. We are neither of honorable beginnings nor are we Christians.

Hollywood and American Glory

America has always had a special place in the hearts of people all over the world. The major event that triggered America’s pristine and admirable image was its birth. America was founded on the principles of Enlightenment (when reason took over), mostly by world-renowned intellectuals, our founding fathers. Later, Hollywood (film, television, and music) kept this perception of Pax Americana alive, regardless of growing ugliness at home.

Hollywood kept projecting these admired beautiful human universals—the quest for truth; good always wins over evil; justice always prevails; the poor farmer gets his farm back from the evil hoarder; and finally the poor handsome boy, rather than the ugly rich fuck, gets the girl. The world loved us; they ate this shit up. It is Utopia. Who would not want that? 

The Founding Fathers

There is no a priori reason for assuming that the neoconservatives of today and the Founding Fathers share similar ideologies and no amount of wishing it were so will make it so if it isn’t so. On the other hand, the differences—when admitted by some guilty right-winger—cannot be appealed to when they suit and denied when they do not.

The Founding Fathers were not common men. They were students of the Enlightenment: Eggheads who learned from Kant, Descartes, Paine, Hobbes, Hume, and others. By today’s conservative standards, they were socialists, un-American heathens.

More than half of the fifty-five members of the Constitutional Convention studied in colleges in America and Europe (especially England). The other members were self-educated. Benjamin Franklin, for example, would have changed his diet immediately if he found something like Reagan or Pat Robertson in his shit. Therefore, people like Bush and Joe the plumber were hardly represented among the politicians who wrote the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution of the United States, an unmatched American marvel. Furthermore, before the writing of the constitution, James Madison presented extensive material, including books sent by Jefferson from France, on confederations and states, to his fellow delegates. The Founding Fathers did not consult God; they researched their work like men of science.

Jefferson, Franklin, Madison, John Adams, would never, even under pain of death, have a beer with Limbaugh, Bush, McCain, Palin, the death skeleton Ann Coulter or that idiot Michael Steele.

Unfortunately, the Founding Fathers’ legacy did not hold for long. Gradually, the underlying American religious fundamentalism and lack of education promoted anti-intellectualism, anti-rationalism, and pseudoscience that survives today. The last of the learned prophets and defenders of American intellectualism, the great Ralph Waldo Emerson—essayist, philosopher, and orator of “The American Scholar”—was defeated.

Malicious Audacious Hypocrisy of the Lame  Thoth © 2009

Post Civil War and Reconstruction era in the late nineteenth century comes the Gilded Age with an explosion of population and consequent excesses of wealth and poverty. Robber Barons—like John D Rockefeller, Cornelius Vanderbilt, Andrew Carnegie, and J.P. Morgan—needed to justify their thievery. They hired none other than the Anti-Christ himself: William Graham Sumner, a Yale University political scientist, who concocted an ideologically driven pseudoscience to rationalize social injustice. Sumner, the most influential social Darwinist of his time, and his followers theorized that millionaires like J.P. Morgan are descendants of the first hominids to stand on two legs, while the poor descended from creatures that lacked opposable thumbs and stood on all fours. Sumner decided that the business titans of the Gilded Age were “a product of natural selection” and fair ‘scientific’ market competition.

Incidentally, the United States is almost an entire continent that started out with the most abundant natural resources available on the planet. Natural resources translate into money; money buys skill, and skill builds nations. That is it. Without natural resources—that is, capital—capitalism means shit.

First you destroy those who expose the spin. Then you destroy those who know what the spin is, and who also know that those destroyed before were in fact the ones who exposed the spin. But real barbarism begins when no one can any longer judge or know that what he does is barbaric.”

Adapted from Ryszard Kapuscinski (b. 1932), Polish Journalist. “A Warsaw Diary,” in Granta, no. 15 (Cambridge, England, 1985). 

In any Kleptocracy, autocracy, corpocracy, or dictatorship, the citizens are well aware of the injustices they endure, and yet the corrupt government-run media glorify social justice and demonize inequality and nepotism 24/7. No nation on the planet, regardless of its system of government glorifies social injustice, except America. I tried very hard to find a name—something-ocracy—for our system to no avail, although, Kleptocracy is a close fit. In America, the big money owns the media, the politicians, the clergy, and many scientists. Together they promote an irrational cultural mindset leading the people to vote against their own interest; it is insanity.

For example, many billionaires from Bill Gates to Ted Turner have frequently said that they personally neither need nor want their tax breaks. Wealthy kind Americans would rather the government tax them more and spend that money on education and/or healthcare. Meanwhile, thousands of corporate media-instructed poor American patriots are out on the streets carrying signs against “socialized medicine,” “redistribution of wealth,” and “gay marriage.” These ferocious protestors always look and sound angry even though they do not know what cause they are fighting for; they have no clue why the pastor at church or Limbaugh on the radio told them to march. This motif of unnatural vulgarity is probably triggered by their long frustrating search for someone to spell-check their signs.

When the corporate-appointed useless middleman (for example, insurance companies) is robbing the citizens and the citizens know that they are being robbed by the middleman, but the citizens still blindly protect and promote the middleman; what do you call that? I call it malicious audacious hypocrisy of the lame.

The Status Quo

Billions of dollars worth of television airtime and newspaper columns are wasted on distracting staged fights—one hundred percent red, white and blue American bullshit—between “experts” over Obama, the economy and healthcare, and many more billions are being wasted on bullshit wars. Even better, billions of dollars were just paid to bankers and Wall Street executives as salaries and bonuses—aside from the bailout money—for stealing and gambling our money away. Meanwhile the Congress and the states are cutting the very few programs that help the poor; unemployment is getting closer to 20%; people are still losing their homes and the banks are not giving loans.

Salvation

1.    1. Dissolve all insurance companies, failing banks and any “middleman” entity. 

2.    2. Bring home all American troops, except those in states that request our help. Deploy enough troops to our borders. Deploy the Marines and to major cities to fight internal terrorism: gangs. Violence must be eradicated in America.

3.    3. Assign the CIA and Special Forces to fight terrorism abroad.

4.    4. The trillions saved on 1 and 2 are more than enough for free healthcare, free higher education and creating millions of jobs.

5. For Christians the road to salvation is simple. Get your Lord’s name right. His name is not “Jesus” or “Jesús, Hesoos”. His Mother, Maryam (Syriac and Aramaic word or Hebrew miryam, mÄ“r·yäm') called Him Yeshua-- The word "Jesus" is actually a mis-transliteration of a Greek mis-transliteration—and called her husband Yosef. Yeshua did not know any Peter, John, James or Philip; get the names of the apostles right. Because Saint Cephas/Kephas (Hebrew/Aramaic origin meaning Rock), the real keeper to the keys of the kingdom, will be pretty pissed off when you get his name wrong. 

 

To raise the poor’s standard of living is in the best interest of the rich.”

 

The poor is the only relevant political issue now. Beware of parasites and gofers that make a living defending the status quo and discussing other “issues.”


Thoth © 2010 

 

 

 

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Hurrah! Haven't read it yet - just got up. But you'll be making Buried Treasure, anyway, because you're here!
Can't wait, Sir Clark. Remember I aiming for the list.
Okey dokey, smokey - whew! When you come off the bench, your feet do hit the ground, bubba! This is tuff stuff. Ain't sayin I agree with all of your conclusions, but I do with enuf of them that when they send the black helicopters for you, they'll probly be looking for me, too. Impressive work!
I am with you, my friend. Thanks for the visit and kind words.
This is a wonderful piece of writing. It should be required reading in the schools, just before they recite the Pledge of Allegiance. r.
Jeff House,

Thank you so much for your gracious visit and kind words.
Alan Nothngale,

Thank you so much for your visit and comment.
Well researched and thought out; a finely written essay. Compelling.
Smithery,

Thank you for your gracious visit and kind words.
You had me at "Christian Nation". You have read enough of my stuff to know that I feel very passionately about this issue. This is a great post. Have you read "The Age of American Unreason"? Great book. Also, I have been reading Locke recently - big peekaboo into freedom of conscience. Rated!
Akopsa,

Indeed, Jacoby did a great job following Hofstadter's insight. Thank you for your visit and informed comment.
Bonnie Russell,

We don't care, do we, Bonnie. All for truth.
Thank you, my friend.
At first I read, "beware of parasites and golfers." That's probably true too.

Thanks for a finely reasoned piece. I stopped watching TV politics years ago. It's just too infuriating.
"The other members were self-educated. Benjamin Franklin, for example, would have changed his diet immediately if he found something like Reagan or Pat Robinson in his shit."
I have never heard such an insult, but it is fitting. (I do think you mean Pat Robertson.)
I have long felt that those crappy pundit-driven shows were only their to distract the masses as they were being robbed. You make a lot of good points here.
Bellwether Vance,

Yeah, might as well. LOL. Thank you for your visit and comment.
Thoth, usually on pieces like this, I have at least one thing I can argue about. It makes my day to find something I don't like and slam it. Nothing. I can find nothing to argue with you about. How about slipping in something next time to get me mad. Great Post Thoth~~
I read this and when I got to the Salvation, I was nodding with strong agreement. Your perspective, from the founding fathers to the idiocy of conservative religious thought, is well thought out and spot on!
Thank you, Thoth. This is one of the things I love about OS. I keep learning -- and your post made so much sense on so many level. I need to re-read it a few more times because there were many points I'd like to focus on more closely. I've always hated Mondays -- but not today.
R
DeliaBlack,

There is a huge gap in intellect between the founding fathers and these lowly pundits, think tanks, and appeasers. Thank you so much for your visit and comment.
You had me at "theft and murder"...

I'm going to have to give this one some thought before I give you too much of a response... and I may well have to apologize when I do for length.
scanner,

OK, my next post will be about soccer. LOL. Thank you, my friend.
Chuck A. Stetson,

It needs to be said; it needs to sink in for us to get to a better place. Thanks, buddy.
Thank you Donna, please do.
MrsRaptor,

Your insight is always welcome here.
WalkAwayHappy,

It should be Christian to care for one's poor. Thank you my friend.
Thoth...

...thank you for pointing out just how absurd it is for today’s American conservatives to attempt to identify what they stand for with the intentions of what we now refer to as “the founding fathers.” Conservative protestations that “we represent the founding fathers” belong in a landfill mixed in with all the other garbage.

The first American conservatives were the fat-cat Tories (mostly ensconced in New York City, of all places)…and their rallying cry was: We owe loyalty and fealty to George III…and any talk of revolution or independence is treason! That is where the conservatives of today should find common cause.

The people now recognized as “the founding fathers” were as distant from them as night is from day. As you point out, they would have considered most of the American conservative agenda as something opposed to all they held dear.

American conservatism has never been on the correct side of any major issue we’ve faced as a nation…and most likely never will be. For them to identify with the founding fathers is both sad and laughable.
T--I've read this twice so far, and I know I'll come back again (at least once). This is an impressive piece of work. First off, it's very well-written, which always counts highly with me. But even more importantly it's so well-thought-out. I've been thinking for some time now that there's got to be something in this current mish-mash of politics/media/economic upheaval, etc that can help me understand what's really happening--and here it is. You've put together a clear and concise essay that gives me hope while simultaneously makes me very afraid: what if "they" win?

I'm too old now to worry about my own welfare, but I'm sometimes consumed with worry about the younger generation--will America become a feudal nation? Will we return to the Dark Ages (are we already there?)? Is there no one in this nation who can help us think through this frightful era to come out of it with ideals intact? And if anyone does, is there anything we can do to change our course? Do "they" have the power to continue to keep voices like yours silent?

This piece has given me enough to think about for today. And there are a few lighter comments that make me laugh, chief being: "This motif of unnatural vulgarity is probably triggered by their long frustrating search for someone to spell-check their signs."

Thank you for this, Thoth. I'm very impressed and thankful that you posted this here--and that I had the sense to read it. Wish I could rate it 1000 times! D
What can I add? What can I answer?

I've tried. Really I have. No answer other than Rated.
Brilliant post, but that's an understatement. I will read it more to give its due, but here is my initial response. I remember a saying from my childhood which translates roughly, " Flowing rivers stop flowing before Truth" - in this case it should be Thoth :o)

You stated: "Hollywood kept projecting these admired beautiful human universals—the quest for truth; good always wins over evil; justice always prevails; the poor farmer gets his farm back from the evil hoarder; and finally the poor handsome boy, rather than the ugly rich fuck, gets the girl. The world loved us; they ate this shit up. It is Utopia. Who would not want that? "

That was the prevalent concept in Turkey when my parents emigrated. It didn't take them long to see beyond the Hollywood projection of America. Forty years later, media allows the world the see what you and I do, as my parents had realized a long time ago. Yet Utopia is what the world loved America for ; and making fools of them all is the basis of their hate. That is sad; but what is even sadder is, now its own citizens are beginning to see the nakedness of the emperor, his highness, Unquestioned Superpower America.

Thank you for honoring OS with your informative and enlightening post.
Rated
Ahhhh...my brother in arms.

There are few political leaders of today which understand the greatness of these men, and even fewer who emulate it. There certainly hasn't been a president in my lifetime. I believe many of the founding fathers were Deists, not wishing away the idea of God, but knowing the power supreme ran within them (while denying the supernatural). All believed in science, philosophy and self-awareness - supreme consciousness in the form of intellect and what bound them to their fellow humans = God. They would never have allowed a TV Christian-Aristocrat to dictate their behavior. Ludicrous.

I have often thought a great Ph.D. candidacy would be the effects of technology on the general psyche versus actual experience. How does the truth differ? I digress...

To think conservatives hold claim to the founding fathers work is the ultimate state of hypocrisy. Well said! Conservatism wasn't even truly a principle in this country yet - it exists as a framework within liberalism. What exists as conservatism today is a joke - it is simply pundit malarkey which conservatives have allowed to hijack the GOP to ensure the media keeps them in the spot light.

As for the Robber Barons, indeed an interesting time in the coming of age of corporate personhood in America. This is something more Americans should be attuned to. Why did we grant corporate personhood? What was its original purpose? When did it begin to outgrow its intended purpose? You can find its roots right with these big monopoly fellas.

Thoth - you do amazing work here. You bring a lot of pieces to the table and weave them together to make a helluva a sound argument. This is one of my favorites. Bravo!
Great stuff, Thoth.
Frank Apisa,

Indeed, they have no right to claim the founders and we should stop this ridiculous rumor. Thanks, Frank for your visit and comment.
Yarn Over,

Thank you so much, you are too kind. I am glad you enjoyed it. Thanks for your gracious visit and comment.
Kim Bentz,

Thank you for your visit and comment.
FusunA,

Thank you so much for your informative comment and supportive argument. You are too kind.

@ Everyone, please read FusunA's comment.
Excellent piece. Personally, I've always thought the "American Dream" was bullshit. This is a country that thrives on cheap labor. Period. First indentured slavery, then slavery, then coolies, then floods of European immigrants, now Latin Americans. The Statue of Libert should read: "Give me your huddled masses who will work for peanuts."
R
Sparking,

Thank you my intellectual friend. You are too kind. Thank you for such an objective insight.
AshKW,

Thank you for your kind visit.
blu,

Words of wisdom; I love and share your opinion about the American dream. Thanks buddy.
Kleptocracy - exactly, thanks for saying it!
When work on in words leaves you speechless; the writer in all of us leaves us ink-less. This post made me think; yet, I am speechless. Great job. Rated.
Thoth: You've hit so many nails squarely on the head with this - so many home runs. I would like to send a link to this to other like-minded friends...may I? This should be disseminated as broadly as possible.

Thank you.
Very meaty stuff, some tough to digest and must be chewed a while to digest it all! If truth is what you speak, historically, biblically and otherwise, then the saying, "You can't handle the truth" (!) may apply here.
Your writing is so passionate, intelligent, well thought out and presented, as to deeply inspire those who care to delve into matters once thought to sustain a status quo. Oh, to the contrary! Do we dare to disturb the comfort of our ignorant bliss? Do we challenge what has been dished out to us as factual? Can you imagine the confusion and fear if we really knew or believed that which is the actual truth? You can hear the grunts and groans; see the looks of disbelief on their well groomed faces. Hands in their deep pockets, disappearing into their limos, their private jets, their secret islands. They will never allow us to know the truth.
Thoth, this is really meaty stuff. I am one to love a really good steak. The chewier, the tastier, the better.
Gruntled,

It is what it is. Thank you so much for your visit and comment.
While I can't say I agree with every point, I always appreciate the thoroughness with which you write, and always, always with conviction. One point I do agree with is working on the gang problem here in the U.S. I think so much more could be done with our youth if we could get them involved with music...
N Jordan,

Thank you much, you are too kind.
M. McKenzie,

Of course you may. Thank you so much for your gracious visit and kind comment.
Just Cathy,

"Oh, to the contrary! Do we dare to disturb the comfort of our ignorant bliss? Do we challenge what has been dished out to us as factual? Can you imagine the confusion and fear if we really knew or believed that which is the actual truth? You can hear the grunts and groans; see the looks of disbelief on their well groomed faces. Hands in their deep pockets, disappearing into their limos, their private jets, their secret islands. They will never allow us to know the truth." Just Cathy

Words of wisdom, my dear. Thank you so much as always; you are too kind.
Outside Myself,

I was told by a law enforcement big wig that the gang problem can be eliminated in a week if he gets the go ahead. The reason the Congress does not act is very sinister.

Thank you so much for your visit and comment.
Excellent post. I had to chuckle over Ben Franklin changing his diet but you've covered the stuff we all take seriously. Rated.
Great observations T. I'm with you on the bastardizing of our history. If the founding fathers (and mothers) said something to the ideologues dislike, they simply change the verbiage. I've always said that in terms of the right to bear arms, we no longer live in a military militia era so it must be amended. I'm sorry, not EVERYONE has a right to bear an arm.

In regards to this point: " 2. Bring home all American troops, except those in states that request our help. Deploy enough troops to our borders. Deploy the Marines and to major cities to fight internal terrorism: gangs. Violence must be eradicated in America."

If we want to feel safe, we need to protect our country at home. We are NOT safe now and it's my assertion that we are far less safe at home than before 9/11. How can I say this? We have no military left at home. We have mostly weekend warriors left. We don't need troops in Japan, Germany, Vietnam, et al. They need to be brought home and available when emergencies like Katrina happen on our own soil. Even in the case of Haiti they could be available. We are the world's police and every time we have a war, we just leave troops there forever. If we took the total price tag that you mentioned on ponts 1 and 2, we could solve all THIS country's problems. It will not happen in our lifetime pal.

RATED
Dear reader I married him,

It's funny but also so true. Thank you for your gracious visit and comment.
Rated
One of the most important posts I have seen here. By important I mean deserving widest dissemination possible!
Bravo Thoth! The distance between who the Founding Fathers were and who the conservatives of today are is so great that it would be laughable if it weren't so appalling when the conservatives try to align themselves with them. You are right on target with taking care of the poor too, which reminds me of a possible post knocking about in my head.
excellent!
i have shared your post with many
thank you for stating what many feel so eloquently
Malicious Audacious Hypocrisy of the Lame--wow, what a phrase!

Your listed salvations are incredible on all sorts of levels. For one, they are actually straightforward and even, astoundingly, simple. Two, they aim money where it would be most beneficial.

Well done. R
I'm really impressed by the level of thinking and research that went into this. I also like how you discuss these very serious issues with a good deal of humor/well-used sarcasm. I always find that useful when you want to make a point. Great job!
Thoth - The higher up you go, the more sinister they are. Yup. Everyone has their own agenda.
You da man, Thoth, you dA MAN!
Like your style here- wow. Rated.

There can be no doubt the original volumes of the U.S. Library of Congress were, in complete, the collective works of the Enlightenment. How does a conservative thinker define the social contract? In exact opposition to the documents, to this day on file.

There can be no doubt, not only the name Jesus but the naming of Petros-Peter is without question the penned work of an interpolating Greek punner- quite a joke he forged there ... haha ... funny Greek wordplay written for a kick, not by apostles but by Greeks in "Turkey".

Antiquity and the Enlightenment- both the despised regions of actual intellectual snobs and elitist pseudo-intellectual-wannabees, that's what passes for conventional wisdom out there today.

AUWE
Thoth, you wow me! There is a lot I do not understand i.e. how supposedly upstanding citizens do such horrible thinks (KKK) and profess to do them in the name of the Lord. I too will need to read this a couple more times for it to marinate and for its true meaning to seep in. rated~
When Benjamin Franklin developed his idea for fire insurance, he could not know what he wrought.

I do think, especially since so many of them were Masons, that their understanding of God was along for the ride as the Founding Fathers did their work. Still, there are plenty of the same 'ilk' that believed it was okay to do away with the native Americans that were "in the way" of Manifest Destiny.

Even the smartest among us do wrong.

Very thought-provoking post. Well done.
Kind of Blue,

Thanks, buddy, for your insight, as always.
Coachcaptain,

Thank you so much, you are too kind.
Painting the Stars,

I just hope we pay attention to what is important. Thank you so much for your visit and support.
marc charbonnet,

We all should start thinking this way and act on it. There is too much distracting noise to our demise.

Thank you so much for your visit and comment.
mypsyche,

I am glad you like it. Thank you for your visit and comment.
Caroline Hagwood,

Thank you so much for your insight and support.
Wow, this belongs on Harpers or Altantic.com or somewhere in addition to OS. We have devolved, seriously, and you Thoth have given the whole arc of the story. How'd you do that? Rated!
Thoth...I want to come back and read this...I have a headache...and I know you put much effort into the article...so this comment will bookmark you on my blog! xox
Why, thank you, junk1, you're too kind.
" There can be no doubt, not only the name Jesus but the naming of Petros-Peter is without question the penned work of an interpolating Greek punner- quite a joke he forged there ... haha ... funny Greek wordplay written for a kick, not by apostles but by Greeks in "Turkey". Antiquity and the Enlightenment- both the despised regions of actual intellectual snobs and elitist pseudo-intellectual-wannabees, that's what passes for conventional wisdom out there today."

Ouahusurfer,

Thank you for such insight and gracious visit.
Ollie's daughter,

You are welcome any time.
Natalie K Munden,

Informed Americans who know their real history are less likely to do to others what their ancestors did to the native Americans.

Thank you for your insight and support.
wendyo,

Thank you so much for the kind words and gracious visit.
Another grand post. Your insights into the travesty that we have let America become are as honest as they are embarassing.

Rated.
Scylla the rock,

Thank you so much for your visit and kind words.
Thoth: Well done ! I agree with you.
I love this part:
"This motif of unnatural vulgarity is probably triggered by their long frustrating search for someone to spell-check their signs." ha ! ha ! Very funny!
Kim
True and truer...I am...believe it or not...I'm not sure about dissolving the failing banks...why? Because of 80 year old people who have worked hard, saved a little to retire and what happens to them? xox
kfujioka,

It's probably true. Thank you so much for your kind visit and comment.
Robin Sneed,

They will get every penny of their money from the trillions saved and taken from the big thieves. In the post I refer to the failing big banks, especially those that received bailout money. For CEOs and execs to receive billions in salaries and bonuses is obscene.

Thanks for the visit and comment.
I find very little in common with these people who align themselves with the Founding Fathers. I also agree with bringing the troops back to where we need them. I broke my rule of commenting on political posts but I wanted to agree on these points.
A well argued piece Thoth, and you certainly have received well deserved support for this. You seem to be stressing that our founding fathers and today’s neoconservatives are a fundamentally different thinking group. No argument there. Early American colonists (primarily British) claimed land with impunity, and of course, there is a whole school of economic thought that emphasizes land ownership as the basis for power and wealth. Is the illegal part related to the rebellion form the Crown, or the land grab by force from Native Americans?

The jump from the late 1700’s to Hollywood is rather quick here in terms of myth spinning; however, no argument. Then came the robber barons from the turn of the 19th century and forward. Yes their excesses are well documented; however, the fact is that they did create wealth where none previously existed. I am not defending them; only pointing out that the argument is unbalanced if one does not acknowledge other aspects. I mean, much good has come from America as well, and this is so often overlooked. And yes, I could write pages about this good – and so could you – but it doesn’t sell, even on OS. I know you are a defender of the weak (profile) and I totally admire and appreciate that perspective.

Yes, Congress wastes time and money. Remember, our founding fathers developed our tripartite system to prevent any one part of government from being too powerful. We see this result clearly today with the tussle over health care, or health insurance. I could go on and on (and won’t).

I do appreciate your thought provoking piece and look forward to keeping up the good fight. Peace to you.
You have to know that you are basically preaching to the choir here (at least with me). That you do so with such reasoned argument does not surprise me in the least. That more people don't get "it" never ceases to amaze me. You are of the wrong era. But then again, so am I. Very well written.
As usual, you proffer up an intellectually challenging and thoughtful piece of writing.

I do wonder at your description of Bill Gates and Ted Turner as "wealthy kind Americans", as if the only barometers for this is being content to invite the government to be taxed more. But, to make your point I believe I understand your intent.
Fucking brilliant, Thoth. Well-written, intelligent, and unforgiving. You've summed up the history of the US in a precise and understandable manner.

For some reason, this post reminds me of Kurt Vonnegut, one of the great American heroes. I think he would be proud of your work here.

Bravo!
I don't have much to add, other than to say I read it and I agree with it.

When people hold up the "progress" we've made since the forming of this country, where originally only wealthy land owners (white men) were allowed to vote, I remind them that this was intentional - only someone with an education was deemed knowing enough about matters of finance and international policies to have a say in them.

Call me fascist, but I'm all for having a test to get to vote. First on the test: do you know what you're voting on? Prove you have a basic understanding of what's happening, then you can have a say.

I once had a history teacher in high school spend an entire day expounding upon the virtues of Gen. George Washington, our 14th president (look it up). I didn't have the balls to remind him that Washington, upon being offered a salary for his position as president, turned it down. He felt he was wealthy enough, and had a duty to lead this new country.

What he did accept, however, was an expense account. One that would pay for things like travel, state dinners, new coaches, wardrobe, etc. The expenses amounted to 4 times what they were going to pay him.

And that, unfortunately, has set the standard for every president since.
Damn, man. I pretty much agree . . . although I have my own ideas about what might be done regarding the gangs. Violence must be eradicated, yes - and gang violence must be stopped. But there's got to be a better approach to gangs than just "send in the troops." That's more or less the approach that made gang violence proliferate in the first place.
hey, studies have shown that we certified "experts" have to make a living...
rita shibr,

Thank you rita for making the exception, your opinion is much valued.
Grif,

Thank you for displaying how an argument/counterargument should be. Your insight/argument is solid and it is no surprise that I also agree with you, especially on the fact that America has come a long way.

Thank you so much for your gracious visit and informed insight.
cartouche,

Yep, I know. It is so hard not to try. Thank you as always for being you.
Gwendolyn Glover,

Why, thank you, Gwen, for your appreciated passion, visit and support.
You hit the nail on the coffin . . .er . .head! This is disturbing, simply because its so true. Thank you!

-R-
Great post. Don't agree that Marines are best solution for domestic violence. Would add to your list:

1. Remove personhood status from corporations.
2. Serious reform of electoral politics must happen - items on the list include the electoral college, campaign contributions, pork barrel projects, and lobbyism.
3. Serious public education improvements - an illiterate and uneducated populace with no critical thinking skills is easier to control and manipulate. Democracy only works if people are actually using their brains. Not that this was ever a real democracy.
4. We need a freer flow of information, and some way to verify accuracy and impartiality. There is a lot of bullshit misinformation and misrepresentation floating around out there. Also media should have access to leaders & politicians and they should be allowed to skewer them as needed, like in the UK.
BuffyW,

Yeah, I admire the wealthy who not only try to help the poor but also speak against greed. Thank you, my good friend, for your gracious visit and support.
Fudo Myoo,

No argument there, informed voters will amke this a much better country. I also appreciate your Washington example. This reminds me of a beautiful book about the Founding Fathers by Gore Vidale, where he give priceless info about the era.

Thank you so much for your informed comment and visit.
Owl,

Whatever approach to the gangs problem is fine by me, as long as people realize that it is a much more serious problem that foreign terrorism. Thank you so much for your gracious visit and support.
noah tall,

I read your stuff and you belong to the legitimate, needed and productive brand of experts. This kind of expert is necessary in my book. Thank you for your visit and comment.
You take my breath away, my dear. Rated
Lady Miko,

Damn right, my lady. Thank you as always for your support.
Lorelei,

Yes we do need your fine list; insightful and necessary. Thank you so much for such a subtle opinion and visit.
Nikki Stern,

Thank you so much, you are too kind.
I'll go you one better: station the troops around the world strategically -- have them always on the ready to react swiftly to disasters, organize distribution of food to the starving, provide medical care and build schools, water wells, etc. Now THAT would be a christian nation.

Utopia, indeed.
skeletnwmn,

You said it--just very few troops though. I am with you all the way. Thank you for a beautiful and wise vision.
Sad, true enough, and well written. thanks. rated!
You said allot. I agree, mostly with all of it. Some I don't disagree with, I don't doubt your right but I am one who would proofread the freakin' sign! I had not heard the rich, the good rich, wouldn't mind being taxed. But how many good rich are there if our last and hopefully worst ever president fought to keep their money for them? This is a very deep, well thought out post, very well done!
Well written, well thought out opinions as always.

I agree about 99% with this post but there is one thing that i couldn't go with. First, the quote "Violence must be eradicated in America."
I'm certain this is impossible for the simple reason that there will always be violence here and abroad, in fact all around the word for all time.
Secondly, you can't send marines to fight gangs for much the same reason, there will always be gangs.

But, aside from those minor hitches, I AM WITH YOU ALL THE WAY! R.
Damn, you covered a lot of territory here. This is excellent. I especially like the part about the Founding Fathers and the Enlightenment. So true. And ... the part about bringing the troops home. Yessiree. Great post!
My favourite post of yours so far, Thoth. Very well done.
Outstanding piece. It really taught me a lot. Keep up the great work.
Wow, this ought to be spread around. Excellent piece, very thought-provoking.
Charlie Thornton,

Thank you for your visit and comment.
New Buddha Fun,

I really appreciate your support. I am glad you agree my friend.
Lunchlady 2,

Depending on the goodness of the people is the only rational thing left for us to do. Thank you so much for your visit and comment.
InZain,

Any word of approval comming from the King of Gamers is so appreciated here. Thank you my friend.
Steve Belvins,

Thank you, Steve, I am glad you liked it.
Natalie Not Pedantic,

Thank you, Natalie, I thought you would like this one.
KDStorm,

Thank you so much for your visit and kind words.
sweetfeet,

Thank you for your visit and kind words. I am glad to meet you.
This is quite an amazing essay. I will have to come back to it after my coffee though. It is early, and there is a lot to chew on. r
I am also frequently amused by right wingers thinking they are "Constitutionalists" or that they understand the principles and philosophy behind it. The religious right has been reduced to lying about our origins and what was supposed to be our Civil Religion.
Intentionally lying about history is a trait of fanatic ideological movements. The end supposedly justifying the means.

That aside, my favorite term for our system is kleptocapitalism.
F*cking awesome, dude. Over the heads of many to be sure, but this should be required reading, its own chapter in the Citizen's User Manual.
Harvey Gardner,

I will always respect your opinion and I am honored by your visit.
Paul J. O'Rourke,

This rumor must be expose and reversed. Thank you so much as always for your insight and visit.
Lonnie Lazar,

The lied for eons, and the worst part is that their lies somehow became facts. Thank you so much for your gracious visit and insight (I got it).
The human condition seems to be about creating mythologies and living in them. People have always thought, for some daft reason, the the past was a time of better morals and values and in the present we're all headed for hell.

But. What are you going to do? Make everyone history majors? The Greeks didn't have "democracy" the way we interpret it. They knew the uneducated would be a dangerous rabble and never intended "one man, one vote."
As it is our system can be so easily gamed by whoever wants to. It's only a 234 years old. And we think we know what we're doing.
" Dissolve all insurance companies, failing banks and any “middleman” entity. "

Here! Here! Excellent post! You have hit the nail on the head! The next five years will prove to be very interesting.
Wow, Thoth, you have certainly done your research! Intelligent, impressive piece!
WOW...so much that needs to be said and you wrote an eyeful! So much is muddied by each layer we put on it...bureaucracies, hypocrisies, theocracies. I appreciate that you offer 4 points to ponder as a conclusion.
So much needs to change, but I have no idea if this country can cope. I am also tired of all the mismanagement of information.
Thank you Thoth for saying something that needs to be said.
Needed to hop on just to let you know.
This is a great essay and I'm glad that you got so many reads and ratings. I'm sorry that I missed it until now. Very well thought out and presented. Rated.
huffie,

Indeed. it is the West that glorifies the Greeks and the Romans undeservedly. Yet is is much better for us to know the truth. Thank you so much for your informed comment and visit.
MiddleAdgedWomanBlogging,

I can dream, can I. Thank you so much for your visit and comment.
I was here. I need time to sort it out.
Eric Lightborn,

Exactly the point; we must reverse the myth about the founders, and Christians should at least get the Lord's name right. Thank you for your insight and visit.
Karin Greenberg,

I am glad you like. Always happy to see your name, thanks.
A-Muse,

Thank you for your gracious visit and insight. You are always welcome here.
Roger Fallihee,

Thank you, my friend for your support.
You are brilliant, no doubt. Great work. I have to read it a few zillion more times you jerk.
(And I think I disagree.)
For someone who had imagined America, from the books and papers and my grandfather's time here , to be different , it is disheartening to see the atmosphere today. MA votes someone in who will oppose the health reform! They have theirs so they will prevent others from sharing. Mind boggling!

But I understand better my mentor's booming laugh when he heard of my research opportunity in the US and commented" I dont know what you can learn from US but you will certainly teach them a few things!" That was 21 years ago. I dont think I taught anyone anything but I did learn a lot in science. I am grateful for that alone. To think of not letting anyone else share that knowledge or privilege would be awful!

A powerfully written piece which resonates with me but makes me shake my head ! If this is the beacon of light then what does the future hold for my extensions??
Rated indeed and btw I came back to OS just to read this .... cant take it anymore. Must keep on contributing in other ways. Well done and keep up!
Excellent post Thoth. It's great to know history, and even myths have their uses, but as you point out, they are easily amenable to the purposes of liars and thieves. We've come a long way since the days of the Founding Fathers, but despite the massive increases in wealth and power of the country, and the advances in science and society, we've become intellectually and politically less than we were in those days.

"When the corporate-appointed useless middleman (for example, insurance companies) is robbing the citizens and the citizens know that they are being robbed by the middleman, but the citizens still blindly protect and promote the middleman; what do you call that? I call it malicious audacious hypocrisy of the lame."

The malicious audacious hypocrisy of the lame; that's as good a way to put it as any. We're living under a self-imposed dictatorship of ignorance and apathy, and seem perfectly content as a people to throw democracy in the rubbish bin. In an era when we need leadership of the calibre of Jefferson or Lincoln or FDR, all we get is gansters and timid technocrats and and promoters of the rotten status quo. I'm not hopeful for the future.
nanatehay,

Unfortunately, I share your pessimism. If we even forget the lies, there is nothing we can do to stop the horrid present state of affairs. Thank you, my friend for your gracious visit and insight.
Traveller1,

It is not the most favorite picture, is it. I do appreciate you taking the time. Your insight is always needed. Thank you so much for your insight and comment.
aim,

Your opinion is always appreciated here whatever it is. Thank you or your gracious visit and comment (and verdict whatever it may be).
Who says the Internet is a waste of time? WOW. Loved this. Very well done, thank you. Rated. xo
Christine Mcdonald,

Thank you so much for your kind words, gracious comment and visit.
tregibbs,

You got it; I see what you mean. Thank you so much for your visit and comment.
donnastreet,

My dad said the same thing. Thank you for your gracious visit and comment.
Sweeeeeeeeeet post. This should be required reading.

"The Founding Fathers did not consult God; they researched their work like men of science" ... had to reprint that.
Brilliantly spoken. Our country is in deep trouble and going to hell in a hand basket quickly. When Clinton left office we were out of debt and now we are so far in debt with other countries, that leaves some wondering if we can we get out of it again. Sad fact is that it would not take much for another country to step in and take the US over. OH Wait!! Other countries already own most of the corporations, and even the banks in the US already.
It is a totally shame that we praise our country as being the Strongest and Richest country in the world. Yet at the same time almost 20 million are out of work, public schools across the nation are closing, and we are still fighting a war for a cause that was a lie in the very beginning. Spending millions on the war, and not enough to keep our public schools open to educate our future generations.
AMERICA the Richest and Strongest country in the world, but most of Americans can't afford to live here.
Thoth what a brilliant, well researched piece. It reminds me of a piece Jon Stewart did on the Daily Show where he took snippets of Tea Party members and Fox commentaries like Hannity and O'Reilly who were asking for their "country back" and broke down just what their memory of country meant.

There seems to be this fairy tale expectation, this revisionism and constantly hold on what is right, what is moral, and what is patriotic and it has created this myth about what America represents now and what it represented at is founding.

Rated. Fantastic.

And @ FRank, I have to agree with this:

The people now recognized as “the founding fathers” were as distant from them as night is from day. As you point out, they would have considered most of the American conservative agenda as something opposed to all they held dear.

American conservatism has never been on the correct side of any major issue we’ve faced as a nation…and most likely never will be. For them to identify with the founding fathers is both sad and laughable.
Amanda Gulledge,

Thank you so much for your visit and comment.
fireeyes24,

"AMERICA the Richest and Strongest country in the world, but most of Americans can't afford to live here."

Sad, ain't it? Thank you for your insight and visit.
views across the pond,

Thank you so much for such an informed comment and visit.
"Benjamin Franklin, for example, would have changed his diet immediately if he found something like Reagan or Pat Robinson in his shit. "

I just fucking love you man.
rated.
Mungular,

I love you too, boss. Thank you so much.
I can not add to the comments except to say we are kindred spirits. I have nothing but respect for your writing and the truths you have told.
Rated
The founding fathers of the US were Free Masons who derived their charter from the Kabalah. The back of a dollar bill, the architecture of Washington DC and even the Great Seal itself should be enough evidence to convince even Gerald Posner.. On March 31, 1492, the Edit of Expulsion was signed by the monarchs of Spain at the prodding of the papacy and their hatchet men who comprised the inquisition . The deadline for Jews (Kabalists) to leave Spain was August 3, 1492, which was, ironically, the Ninth of Av (Tisha B'av) on the Jewish calendar, a day of fasting com-memorating the destruction of both Temples in Jerusalem. Columbus and his crew boarded their vessels before midnight, and on the August 3rd sailed before sunrise. The true intentions of Columbus were to rebuild Solomon's Temple in the mysterious lands to the west which had been known to the European intelligentsia since the days of the Vikings.

Christianity was meant to be practiced as a watered down version of Mithraism it was just a little something to placate the unwashed masses it was never meant to be an historical doctrine much less the Manifesto of malice it has now become at the hands of the Evangelicals. The Old Testament can only find coherence in its original Hebrew due to the codes of Temureh,Notariquen and Gematria the Old Testament cannot be translated into another language much less altered by a single letter this is why the Torah is painstakingly hand copied by Rabbi's. No man or woman who considers themselves Christian should read as scripture anything but the Synoptic Gospels and Revelations. Paul was not an apostle but an Apostate in fact he is continually referred to in the Dead Sea Scrolls as the lying priest it is a matter of even the most rudimentary common sense that if you oppose not evil then you are evil

They also like to play at having derived their pedigrees from the temples of Egypt (On) but they are in reality the descendants of whores from the brothels of the Dark Ages this is the only way to explain their predilection towards self indulgence and secrecy. What they think they know about the Kabalah reminds me of the apes praying to the nuclear missile in Planet of the Apes. Bob Dylan wrote the Idiot Wind just for them. The five points espoused here by Thoth for the continuation of Western Civilization and perhaps the human race will not be achieved by anything less than the most Horrific of wars. Thoth and those of you who agree with him are the Sons of Light referred to in the War Scrolls of the Dead Sea you are opposed by the Sons of Darkness if you think you can reason with them I pity you!

I love the friends I have gathered together on this thin raft
We have constructed pyramids in honor of our escaping
This is the land where the Pharaoh died- Jim Morrison: Texas Radio and the Big Beat or the WASP
rainee174,

I am glad you agree. Thank you so much.
Jack Heart,

First, thank you as always for taking the time. I am familiar with most of your info, except may be the Kabala issue. The backdrop of the spun ancient Egyptian influence is obvious, though tainted with wishful Greco-Roman motif.

Thank you so much for such an informative comment and a gracious visit.
Yeah, we're not even getting bread anymore - it's all circuses. Clowns scare me.

I think I'll make "Malicious Audacious Hypocrisy of the Lame" a sub-category on my feces roster.
consonantsandvowels,

Thank you for your comment and visit.
WOW - Great and well researched, linear post, Thoth.

This last sentence: "Beware of parasites and gofers that make a living defending the status quo and discussing other “issues.”

sounds precisely like my deaf, dumb, and blind "friend," the pizza man.


Strongly rated
markinjapan,

It is always a pleasure to see your name on my blog. Although, I would like to see more of your posts. Thank you so much for your visit and comment.
I keep thinking of Annie Hall, where Woody pulls Marshal McLuhan from behind a sign... "You know nothing of my work..."

Boy, if life were only like this!
Occam's Taser,

Thank you so much for your visit and comment.
The founding fathers all believed in small, not intrusive government, and the second amendment in case the government got out of hand. Not only was Jefferson Libertarian, he was not that far from anarchism, only saying it wasnt practical in large groups of people.

I would imagine they would be disgusted with both political parties.
Well said, Thoth. America was not founded to be a Christian nation, no matter how much fundamentalists want it to be so. It's in the text. I also like your economic solutions. If the only change we made was to downsize to a smaller, more efficient, but still powerful military, our people would be much better off.
I always shake my head when Christians refer to the Founding Fathers to support their principles and as role models. The FF were Deists who were opposed to organized religion. A little reading would clear that up, but as with the bible, how many everyday Christians have read it or the writings of the FF?
Noirville Headinlocker,

That is correct. Thank you for your visit and comment.
Seer/Sucker,

I am glad you agree. Thank you for your support.
Sara McGrath,

A little reading will do it: Exactly. Thank you, my wise friend, for your visit and comment.
I gotta tell you - I revisit this - so well done. Watch Texas in the coming months - they are working on dismantling our secular nation from the inside out - via the educational system. David Barton - google him - too much to write here. He is bad f'ing news.
Akopsa,

Thank you again. Thanks for the tips; we'll do. They take their shit very seriously; to them it is a holy war.
Beth Mann,

Thank you for your visit and kind words.
I know I'm late. Okay - really, really late. So late that I can't add anything that hasn't already been said. Great post!
Julie Tarp,

It is never too late for you, Julie. Thank you for your gracious visit and kind words.
Wow, very interesting. REally.
Thoth, I enjoyed this piece very much and certainly adhere to the underlying rationalist values that you express. However, I'm less certain than you that our country's origins weren't schizophrenic, that there wasn't always tension between America as a Christian nation and America as a haven of religious liberty. Historian Frank Lambert famously chose two important dates, 1639 and 1787, as defining this everlasting heritage of contention between Puritan and Enlightenment ideals. In setting up their “Christian Common-wealth,” the Puritan Fathers envisioned a nation based on correct biblical living. About a hundred and fifty years later, the Founding Fathers established guidelines for the nation based on the Enlightenment ideal of self-directed discovery, conceiving religious liberty not as freedom to practice the one true faith, but as freedom to discover ultimate truth unhindered by any authority. Such discordant origins—heralding both biblical authority and rational inquiry—were bound to cause conflict, and as far as I can determine, that conflict remains today. Neither side has legitimate claim to "our country's origins" because there never was such a monolithic agreement to begin with.
Lainey,

My post is very clear on the tensions between religious fundamentalists and the founding fathers. I did not use the term "Puritans" because it is meaningless and embarrassing. The "Puritans" were heretics/religious extremists according to bot the Church of England and the Catholic Church. Of the many ships that landed on the shores of America BEFORE 1639 and between 1639 and 1787, how many were Puritans, how many were English, and how many were assorted thieves, Frank Lambert doesn't know.

The reason scholars shy from using the term "Founding Puritans" is that the Puritans founded nothing. Yet my post does not disagree that religious fundamentalism came first. I also show that all attempts made (for example, by scholars like Emerson) to counteract RF, till this day--as you said--were defeated.

Although Lambert did not have the brilliant insight to ease the conscience of the RF as I did when I explained to the RF that even the Catholics got the name of their Lord wrong.

I will never underestimate the destructive role of the Puritans, I just don't like to dwell on it because it is extremely embarrassing.

Thank you so much for your informed comment and visit.
Lainey,

My post is very clear on the tensions between religious fundamentalists and the founding fathers. I did not use the term "Puritans" because it is meaningless and embarrassing. The "Puritans" were heretics/religious extremists according to both, the Church of England and the Catholic Church. Of the many ships that landed on the shores of America BEFORE 1639 and between 1639 and 1787, how many were Puritans, how many were English, and how many were assorted thieves, Frank Lambert doesn't know.

The reason scholars shy away from using the term "Founding Puritans" is that the Puritans founded nothing. Yet my post does not disagree that religious fundamentalism always existed. I also show that all attempts made (for example, by scholars like Emerson) to counteract RF, till this day--as you said--were defeated.

Nevertheless, Lambert did not have the brilliant insight to ease the conscience of the RF as I did when I explained to the RF that even the Catholics got the name of their Lord wrong.

I will never underestimate the destructive role of the Puritans, I just don't like to dwell on it because it is extremely embarrassing.

Thank you so much for your informed comment and visit.
cinamingrl,

Thank you for your visit and support.
Great post, great comments. I'm glad I stopped by. I liked what nana said, but I disagree with the conclusion. As long as there are people like Thoth, nana and others who believe in and commented on this work, I'll remain hopeful. Rated.
Lacey Driggars,

Why thank you Lacey, that 's very kind of you.
WOW, were you channelling Thomas Paine and Ben Franklin? This was amazing!
Poppi Iceland,

Thank you so much for your visit and support.
"In America, the big money owns the media, the politicians, the clergy, and many scientists. Together they promote an irrational cultural mindset leading the people to vote against their own interest; it is insanity."

Are you saying there is someone worthy of voting for? Are you saying democrats are any better? That democrats are our saviors? Obama has the power to do 1,2,3,4. Don't blame the tea baggers for this mess! Just a thought. Thanks for the post.
1. Dissolve all insurance companies, failing banks and any “middleman” entity.

Impossible. They own the US government.
crackercolburn,

No argument there. Thanks for the visit and comment.
Just found your blog. Your truth is very powerful, and well written. I can relate to it all.
I wish I had time to get through the over 200 replies this generated. I'm happy enough having read the post. I clearly agree with most of this and I share your opinion that an awful lot of people are voting against their own best interests. Well done.
Thank you Dave,

I appreciate your comment and kind words.
Thank you LadyHistory,

Coming from a history buff like yourself this is an honor.